Yet another snake oil "wonder" bullet with low mass, high velocity and "massive" kinetic energy?
Listen, this has been done to death. momentum = mass x velocity. To keep the same momentum, decrease mass and increase velocity proportionally. Problem is that the Kinetic energy = 1/2mass * velocity^2. This means that by making a lighter bullet with a faster speed, you can get insanely high kinetic energy. As it turns out, in the real world, the mass is the more important part of the equation for accuracy and penetration. A heavier object traveling through the air is less affected by wind. It will also retain velocity better and penetrate deeper into tissue.
So every few years some snake oil salesmen come up with an amazing new bullet, always lighter weight than the traditional 124 grain projectile and always boasting insanely high kinetic energy. Usually backed by their own series of "tests" that show it to be vastly superior to any existing round. Until someone actually puts their stupid round to a real-world test where it universally fails. miserable. Start cycle over again. 9mm has been in use for a century, there is nothing new under the sun.
They seem to penetrate fine in the gel tests people are doing.
Also, the tooling and materials being used to make bullets these days is far more expensive than was feasible when production was mainly for military uses. Just because something isn't being done doesn't mean it failed in testing 70 years ago.
FPBP
Bullet performance for handguns is largely a function of momentum and cross sectional area. Energy is close to irrelevant because tissue can stretch within the elastic limit of the material, absorbing and dissipating energy.
What ISN'T irrelevant is tissue being sliced by concentrated fluid like an industrial pressure washer though. That's what people don't seem to be understanding about this design. It literally weaponizes your own body fluids and cuts you with them, creating a permanent wound channel larger than the bullet.
Meme round. Nothing beat a high quality hollow point driven to +p pressures. For 9mm, I prefer 124gr driven to about 12000-1250 fps. 115gr are too light, and 147gr is a little heavy for 9mm. I wish there was like a 132gr bullet available for reloading. I know Hornady makes the 135gr Critical Duty, but that round is shit because it's designed for barrier blindness for law enforcement, which I give two shits about as a civvie. Currently I hand load 124gr XTPs to about 1270 fps from a 4.9" barrel.
If you can afford to shoot enough of those bad boys to ruin a feed ramp, the cost of a replacement barrel is not a concern to you.
I use the standard pressure 90gr rounds in a. 380.
I don't trust hollowpoints. They are stupid and can fail to penetrate. These rounds will not fail to penetrate and could possibly, maybe, perhaps cause a bit more damage than a standard flatnose fmj.
This is the idea use case for the monolithic screwdriver. 380 pocket guns. Even better in the 68 to decrease felt recoil in those snappy guns (lets people who normally can't use such a carry piece able to use it).
https://i.imgur.com/W9UqaFb.jpg
They seem like a niche that are better for pocket pistols and making them viable for light carry use and in a pinch using against a shitbull or small bear. The advantage of these is a decent wound channel while being more barrier blind and the lack of needing proper expansion makes them more lucrative in those .32s, .380s and other rounds that don't quite get the velocities modern 9mm JHP can achieve even in short barrels. I don't see why you'd choose these over cheaper jhps or hardcast if you're carrying in anything hotter than 9mm though.
They are barrier blind, don't get clogged with clothing (not a major issue for good HP, but still), and can be used in states that don't allow expanding projectiles. Also no lead, so you aren't poisoning yourself.
I use the standard pressure 90gr rounds in a. 380.
I don't trust hollowpoints. They are stupid and can fail to penetrate. These rounds will not fail to penetrate and could possibly, maybe, perhaps cause a bit more damage than a standard flatnose fmj.
I trust hollow points in 380 because they won't expand and will penetrate fine. I just wouldn't waste money on them.
If you're carrying a larger .380 the better quality jhps will expand reliably. Its the people carrying really tiny .380s with 2 inch barrels that have problems with expansion
I would still just carry FMJ. I don't like marginal performance. 9mm works well with hollow points because it originally had excessive penetration to begin with, probably because it was designed to defeat soft body armor and be flat shooting to 100 yards.
I would never carry 380 to begin with. I was just saying if I did. The smallest gun I would ever need is a Glock 43 and even it is very controllable. 380 is literally for women.
380 gets you a remarkably smaller form factor not achievable in a 9mm.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I carry a G17. The G43 is for some kind of special occasion like going to the beach or a nogunz state in 98 degree weather. I've never actually needed it, and I definitely don't need a 380. You must be like 5'2".
1 year ago
Anonymous
6'1" actually. I just live in a fricking swamp so shorty shorts are the name of the game 9 months out of the year. Pocket carry is also dank.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I pocket carry the G44 for chipmunks and casual training. I can't wear shorts because it's freezing for half the year and the land is overrun with mosquitoes for the other half.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>land is overrun with mosquitoes for the other half
bruh
1 year ago
Anonymous
Doesn't do shit, just gives you cancer and brain damage. The only way to keep mosquitoes off your body is long sleeves, pants, gloves, and a headnet.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Get the stronger shit. I've had to do trench work in the woods and this shit is a life saver. Sleeves don't do shit against Gallinipers or Zebra Mosquitoes. Combine those motherfrickers with the Noth Carolina heat and there ain't no way in hell you're wearing all that shit for work. Spray yourself, spray good, get your ears and rub it into your face, don't forget your hair or nuts. Watch your dick hole.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Putting the repellent directly on your skin, especially your sensitive skin areas
Any repellent that you can do this with is weak shit and all you'll do is mildly bother the skeeters while giving yourself inflammation and possibly skin disease. I buy the shit you put over your clothing and it works against ticks and mosquitos here.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Putting the repellent directly on your skin, especially your sensitive skin areas
Any repellent that you can do this with is weak shit and all you'll do is mildly bother the skeeters while giving yourself inflammation and possibly skin disease. I buy the shit you put over your clothing and it works against ticks and mosquitos here.
If you're buying at least 40% deet you're doing it wrong. I've used this shit for years and its always kept everything off of me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Careful with DEET around your guns, though. It's a solvent and will remove paint and varnish and dissolve the surface of synthetic stocks slightly so you leave permanent handprints.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>blocks your path
1 year ago
Anonymous
imagine sacrificing half your magazine capacity and an inferior cartridge to shave off a couple square inches
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Not showing weight difference (literally double once loaded) >Showing finger extension on only one gun >Showing angle that hides length difference >Not showing thickness difference >Not showing LCP max
Yeah those are still two different classes of guns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>LCP II
Who the frick would buy that over the LCP Max? Also modern .380 defense loads penetrates 12" just fine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Weight and the II is still thinner. The OG LCP is still the best pocket gun on the market.
.380 gives me incredible controllability in a round that gives me almost as much power as 9mm, I don't care if you're so insecure in your peepee size that a round bothers you but I can shoot my .380 from a variety of stances and grip strength and hit my target while not limpwristing the gun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not even half as powerful. 9mm can turn a 147 grain HP into a 60 caliber meteor and push that clean through your entire body from any angle. You can hunt deer with it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Go back to bed Joe.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Bubbas pissin hot 9mm +P+ that's safe to shoot out of duty 9s: ~450 foot pounds >.380 +P: ~300 foot pounds
Its plenty of power, 9mm and .380 shooting stats are practically identical to eachother as each makes about the same size hole in people realistically and the extra damage hollow point expansion does is meaningless if you weren't dead on hitting a vital spot to begin with.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, 50% more energy with vastly better bullet performance. Your point is?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not him, but I'm pretty sure he's saying that functionally every pistol round just pokes holes in people as they lack the velocity/energy for a hydrostatic effect as seen in rifle rounds. I yearn for the day when OC for rifles is normalized again.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And the 9mm pokes bigger holes because it has the impact velocity to reliably expand on impact before it even reaches vital organs, and simultaneously the weight to keep pushing that expanded bullet completely through the vital organs, all while causing enough internal temporary cavitation to induce pain compliance in a large percentage of threats, including grizzly bears (yes, bears have given up attacks after being shot with 9mm). The 380 cannot do that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ok
1 year ago
Anonymous
why you need gun at all just use a spear
1 year ago
Anonymous
>can't wait until I get to bring muh MCX Spear into Taco Bell with me!
You sound like a total compensating homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You should only carry 50AE it has better penetration and wound channel
They seem like a niche that are better for pocket pistols and making them viable for light carry use and in a pinch using against a shitbull or small bear. The advantage of these is a decent wound channel while being more barrier blind and the lack of needing proper expansion makes them more lucrative in those .32s, .380s and other rounds that don't quite get the velocities modern 9mm JHP can achieve even in short barrels. I don't see why you'd choose these over cheaper jhps or hardcast if you're carrying in anything hotter than 9mm though.
I recently bought a Surefire X300-UA, a T1C MSP Pro FLX holster, and 40 rds of 200gr JHP/40 rds of 150gr screwheads from Underwood.
I plan on trying to conceal my G20, and I intend to carry this ammo.
I shot my neighbor's house with a really old 1911 Gold Cup that someone had fricked up with some amateur gunsmithing work. The hammer wouldn't drop so I started messing around with it with my finger on the trigger. As far as I know he never found out about it.
FPBP
Bullet performance for handguns is largely a function of momentum and cross sectional area. Energy is close to irrelevant because tissue can stretch within the elastic limit of the material, absorbing and dissipating energy.
"momentum" is fricking meaningless. People are not killed by momentum, they're killed by tissue damage.
>thinks light weight high velocity SCPs are for anything else but body armor penetration. >thinks the marketing BS is for anything else but legal ass covering. >completely ignores all the videos of these bullets being tested showing the above.
It's not going to do exactly what it does in ballistics gel. Ballistics gel is way more jello-like than most of you realize. It's just supposed to be a consistent medium for measuring and comparing bullet characteristics. Think of that medium compare to an actual human torso, muscle and bone and various different organ tissues are inside. It's not going to do much of the air jet shooting thing when inside an actual human target. They're still much better than FMJ which doesn't have a chance at doing that at all, and are lower velocity and made of lead so they penetrate less and warp more. These are specialty rounds and those that know what they're for, know. They're acceptable as all around defensive rounds, but only a step above FMJ for that role. Hollowpoints are still the gold standard for self defense.
Yet another snake oil "wonder" bullet with low mass, high velocity and "massive" kinetic energy?
Listen, this has been done to death. momentum = mass x velocity. To keep the same momentum, decrease mass and increase velocity proportionally. Problem is that the Kinetic energy = 1/2mass * velocity^2. This means that by making a lighter bullet with a faster speed, you can get insanely high kinetic energy. As it turns out, in the real world, the mass is the more important part of the equation for accuracy and penetration. A heavier object traveling through the air is less affected by wind. It will also retain velocity better and penetrate deeper into tissue.
So every few years some snake oil salesmen come up with an amazing new bullet, always lighter weight than the traditional 124 grain projectile and always boasting insanely high kinetic energy. Usually backed by their own series of "tests" that show it to be vastly superior to any existing round. Until someone actually puts their stupid round to a real-world test where it universally fails. miserable. Start cycle over again. 9mm has been in use for a century, there is nothing new under the sun.
Could have just said "no"
He definitely bought some of the last set of super-duper-9mms. Seems like lingering fury.
Frick ya mudda
can you frick off you insufferable little wienersucker?nobody fricking likes you, loser.
Frick ya mudda
>t. janny
But these actually work and have more than adequate penetration.
They seem to penetrate fine in the gel tests people are doing.
Also, the tooling and materials being used to make bullets these days is far more expensive than was feasible when production was mainly for military uses. Just because something isn't being done doesn't mean it failed in testing 70 years ago.
FPBP
Bullet performance for handguns is largely a function of momentum and cross sectional area. Energy is close to irrelevant because tissue can stretch within the elastic limit of the material, absorbing and dissipating energy.
What ISN'T irrelevant is tissue being sliced by concentrated fluid like an industrial pressure washer though. That's what people don't seem to be understanding about this design. It literally weaponizes your own body fluids and cuts you with them, creating a permanent wound channel larger than the bullet.
fpbp
going through all this gimmicky bullshit only to not have the stopping power of .45 acp, lmao
Meme round. Nothing beat a high quality hollow point driven to +p pressures. For 9mm, I prefer 124gr driven to about 12000-1250 fps. 115gr are too light, and 147gr is a little heavy for 9mm. I wish there was like a 132gr bullet available for reloading. I know Hornady makes the 135gr Critical Duty, but that round is shit because it's designed for barrier blindness for law enforcement, which I give two shits about as a civvie. Currently I hand load 124gr XTPs to about 1270 fps from a 4.9" barrel.
-1250 fps
>124gr
>38,235ft/lbs of energy
Jesus fricking christ.
Does what hollowpoint does but better peneetration so pretty much end all be all ammo
Except it doesn't, and it's expensive as frick. Also can scratch up your feed ramp or jam your gun because of that gay Phillips-head design.
>scratch up your feed ramp
>with a copper bullet
If you can afford to shoot enough of those bad boys to ruin a feed ramp, the cost of a replacement barrel is not a concern to you.
This is the idea use case for the monolithic screwdriver. 380 pocket guns. Even better in the 68 to decrease felt recoil in those snappy guns (lets people who normally can't use such a carry piece able to use it).
They are barrier blind, don't get clogged with clothing (not a major issue for good HP, but still), and can be used in states that don't allow expanding projectiles. Also no lead, so you aren't poisoning yourself.
No one lives to tell the tale
They got even more deadlier!
Not some hecking fractal cyberpunk boolets!
it was extremely painful
He's a big guy
I use the standard pressure 90gr rounds in a. 380.
I don't trust hollowpoints. They are stupid and can fail to penetrate. These rounds will not fail to penetrate and could possibly, maybe, perhaps cause a bit more damage than a standard flatnose fmj.
I trust hollow points in 380 because they won't expand and will penetrate fine. I just wouldn't waste money on them.
If you're carrying a larger .380 the better quality jhps will expand reliably. Its the people carrying really tiny .380s with 2 inch barrels that have problems with expansion
I would still just carry FMJ. I don't like marginal performance. 9mm works well with hollow points because it originally had excessive penetration to begin with, probably because it was designed to defeat soft body armor and be flat shooting to 100 yards.
If you want to carry fmj look up flat nose hard cast .380, I think that would be up your alley.
I would never carry 380 to begin with. I was just saying if I did. The smallest gun I would ever need is a Glock 43 and even it is very controllable. 380 is literally for women.
380 gets you a remarkably smaller form factor not achievable in a 9mm.
I carry a G17. The G43 is for some kind of special occasion like going to the beach or a nogunz state in 98 degree weather. I've never actually needed it, and I definitely don't need a 380. You must be like 5'2".
6'1" actually. I just live in a fricking swamp so shorty shorts are the name of the game 9 months out of the year. Pocket carry is also dank.
I pocket carry the G44 for chipmunks and casual training. I can't wear shorts because it's freezing for half the year and the land is overrun with mosquitoes for the other half.
>land is overrun with mosquitoes for the other half
bruh
Doesn't do shit, just gives you cancer and brain damage. The only way to keep mosquitoes off your body is long sleeves, pants, gloves, and a headnet.
Get the stronger shit. I've had to do trench work in the woods and this shit is a life saver. Sleeves don't do shit against Gallinipers or Zebra Mosquitoes. Combine those motherfrickers with the Noth Carolina heat and there ain't no way in hell you're wearing all that shit for work. Spray yourself, spray good, get your ears and rub it into your face, don't forget your hair or nuts. Watch your dick hole.
>Putting the repellent directly on your skin, especially your sensitive skin areas
Any repellent that you can do this with is weak shit and all you'll do is mildly bother the skeeters while giving yourself inflammation and possibly skin disease. I buy the shit you put over your clothing and it works against ticks and mosquitos here.
If you're buying at least 40% deet you're doing it wrong. I've used this shit for years and its always kept everything off of me.
Careful with DEET around your guns, though. It's a solvent and will remove paint and varnish and dissolve the surface of synthetic stocks slightly so you leave permanent handprints.
>blocks your path
imagine sacrificing half your magazine capacity and an inferior cartridge to shave off a couple square inches
>Not showing weight difference (literally double once loaded)
>Showing finger extension on only one gun
>Showing angle that hides length difference
>Not showing thickness difference
>Not showing LCP max
Yeah those are still two different classes of guns.
>LCP II
Who the frick would buy that over the LCP Max? Also modern .380 defense loads penetrates 12" just fine.
Weight and the II is still thinner. The OG LCP is still the best pocket gun on the market.
.380 gives me incredible controllability in a round that gives me almost as much power as 9mm, I don't care if you're so insecure in your peepee size that a round bothers you but I can shoot my .380 from a variety of stances and grip strength and hit my target while not limpwristing the gun.
It's not even half as powerful. 9mm can turn a 147 grain HP into a 60 caliber meteor and push that clean through your entire body from any angle. You can hunt deer with it.
Go back to bed Joe.
>Bubbas pissin hot 9mm +P+ that's safe to shoot out of duty 9s: ~450 foot pounds
>.380 +P: ~300 foot pounds
Its plenty of power, 9mm and .380 shooting stats are practically identical to eachother as each makes about the same size hole in people realistically and the extra damage hollow point expansion does is meaningless if you weren't dead on hitting a vital spot to begin with.
Yes, 50% more energy with vastly better bullet performance. Your point is?
Not him, but I'm pretty sure he's saying that functionally every pistol round just pokes holes in people as they lack the velocity/energy for a hydrostatic effect as seen in rifle rounds. I yearn for the day when OC for rifles is normalized again.
And the 9mm pokes bigger holes because it has the impact velocity to reliably expand on impact before it even reaches vital organs, and simultaneously the weight to keep pushing that expanded bullet completely through the vital organs, all while causing enough internal temporary cavitation to induce pain compliance in a large percentage of threats, including grizzly bears (yes, bears have given up attacks after being shot with 9mm). The 380 cannot do that.
ok
why you need gun at all just use a spear
>can't wait until I get to bring muh MCX Spear into Taco Bell with me!
You sound like a total compensating homosexual.
You should only carry 50AE it has better penetration and wound channel
Go the frick back to r*ddit
Yeah, the goober who shot up the subway in NYC in a cloud of smoke used them. Nobody died, but nobody got hit anywhere super important either.
Link?
no I have never been shot with a screwdriver head
They seem like a niche that are better for pocket pistols and making them viable for light carry use and in a pinch using against a shitbull or small bear. The advantage of these is a decent wound channel while being more barrier blind and the lack of needing proper expansion makes them more lucrative in those .32s, .380s and other rounds that don't quite get the velocities modern 9mm JHP can achieve even in short barrels. I don't see why you'd choose these over cheaper jhps or hardcast if you're carrying in anything hotter than 9mm though.
I recently bought a Surefire X300-UA, a T1C MSP Pro FLX holster, and 40 rds of 200gr JHP/40 rds of 150gr screwheads from Underwood.
I plan on trying to conceal my G20, and I intend to carry this ammo.
I'll stick with these
That will frick you up
Yup, friend of a friend got shot and he still ain't walkin right
I'd fricking run if someone shot these at me. Not because I'm afraid of getting shot but because I ain't frickin gay!
Just don't get shot in the ass and you're golden.
ITT:
We summen an admin
I'll start:
!admin
>FTM
Even bullets are transitioning these days.
Yeah, one did the Nashville school shooting.
Yes, actually. Pic related. 9mm from a 16" AK.
Holy shit, you screwed yourself?
Not that Anon. As far as I'm aware he never followed up after he shot himself, so we'll never know.
I shot my neighbor's house with a really old 1911 Gold Cup that someone had fricked up with some amateur gunsmithing work. The hammer wouldn't drop so I started messing around with it with my finger on the trigger. As far as I know he never found out about it.
Damn man, that sucks. What's your recovery like?
Gonna be 100% some day?
"momentum" is fricking meaningless. People are not killed by momentum, they're killed by tissue damage.
They're killed by energy transfer just like in aikido
>thinks light weight high velocity SCPs are for anything else but body armor penetration.
>thinks the marketing BS is for anything else but legal ass covering.
>completely ignores all the videos of these bullets being tested showing the above.
A sensible chuckle was had.
It's not going to do exactly what it does in ballistics gel. Ballistics gel is way more jello-like than most of you realize. It's just supposed to be a consistent medium for measuring and comparing bullet characteristics. Think of that medium compare to an actual human torso, muscle and bone and various different organ tissues are inside. It's not going to do much of the air jet shooting thing when inside an actual human target. They're still much better than FMJ which doesn't have a chance at doing that at all, and are lower velocity and made of lead so they penetrate less and warp more. These are specialty rounds and those that know what they're for, know. They're acceptable as all around defensive rounds, but only a step above FMJ for that role. Hollowpoints are still the gold standard for self defense.