Hand cannons

Bread name. What is theoretically the most powerful caliber you could wield single handed without breaking your wrist from the recoil. Could you survive a single shot 12.7mm/.50 cal?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's been done

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I would be interested to see if there has been some sort of one handed recoilless rifle akin to a m72 law but 20mm

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        whoops

        >one handed recoilless rifle
        Gyrojet
        >20mm
        no

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't that just a flare gun?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oblogatory

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a simple but fundamental problem: a recoilless rifle has a rearward blast. a one-handed weapon /handgun will be held in front of you when firing. any sort of tube at the back will be acting as a shoulder rest of sorts, thus it's not really purely handgun style anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Could you not have lateral venting?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a simple but fundamental problem: a recoilless rifle has a rearward blast. a one-handed weapon /handgun will be held in front of you when firing. any sort of tube at the back will be acting as a shoulder rest of sorts, thus it's not really purely handgun style anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that one looks like it has recoil dampening like on artillery pieces, why's that not more common for those absurdly powerful hand cannons?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think that particular gun is more an art piece than anything else, there were a very small number of videos about it like 20 years ago and then nothing, it's vaporware.

        There are a handful of guns which have hydraulic recoil buffers. B&T uses them in the APC and GHM PCCs, and various shotguns have been built with them too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's an art piece but it does exist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't mean that it was fake like it was CG or photoshopped or something; the video you posted is one of the ones I mentioned. My point is that it isn't a successful design, we don't know how well the buffer worked.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    shit on a stick

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >one handed recoilless rifle
    Gyrojet
    >20mm
    no

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Could you survive a single shot 12.7mm/.50 cal?
    Easily, with super short barrel most of the powder never gets time to burn and there is very little powder being generated.

    Most powerful I'm aware of is the LMT "Shorty 40" version of the M203, though that's cheating a bit because the real power comes from the HE filler, not the kinetic energy of the flying grenade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If we're talking about pure energy of the projectile it's going to be a tossup between rare exotic meme revolvers or perhaps some of the larger antique pistols.
      Picrel is in .600 Nitro Express and they were also made in .458 Win Mag. Clearly the barrel is not rifle length but it's long enough these are going to be making mad power.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Here's what I mean by some hardcore antiques, how about a double-barrel 10ga Howdah?
        These are obviously fancy but there were a lot plainer flintlocks or percussion guns made in big calibers, many of them very lightweight.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The thing with those is, are you more concerned about a sore wrist or the tiger that you just heard behind you? Nobody was shooting them for fun.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Those particular guns? I think the owner was more concerned with showing off that he was richer than his fellow Maharajas.

            But then you have stuff like picrel. This is an .80 cal percussion officer's pistol with provenance to the Zulu wars made by Mortimer of London. Nothing fancy, quite plain really, just a fricking big handcannon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah that's the same thing. It's for when you've really fricked up and the big game starts hunting you, not for blasting Black folk.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Did you miss the part where I said I had documentation tying that particular gun to a a British officer? Honestly that's very plain as far as officer's pistols go, and they were very commonly of similar caliber. .75 was typical. The .80 isn't much bigger.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I'm sure he took a fricking elephant gun with him too. The Zulu wars were in the 1870s and that's a fricking muzzle loading howdah pistol you silly sod.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >that's a fricking muzzle loading howdah pistol
                It's a single barrel, how the frick is it a Howdah? Are you one of those morons on gunbroker who thinks every big pistol is a Howdah and is responsible for the term becoming largely meaningless?

                do a google search for "site:rockislandauction.com officer's pistols percussion" if you are ignorant. you'll find dozens of similar examples, most a lot more fancy. Pistols of that size were not rare at the era.

                Now, let's say you're right, and that IS a howdah pistol. what does that change? We are discussing "hand cannons", ITT, right? Do some hand cannons not count in your opinion, like maybe Howdahs?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's fulfilling the role of a howdah pistol, and there's nothing stopping you putting shot in there. What it definitely isn't doing is being an officer's sidearm in the 1870s.
                A howdah pistol is a pistol you keep in your howdah for blasting a fricking tiger out of it. It's like a "home defense gun" or "truck gun" but instead of a house or truck it's an elephant, the big grey thing a howdah goes on the back of.
                An officer's sidearm is specifically required to chamber issued ammo. You were not getting a fricking .80" ball issued in the 1870s.
                That is not "an .80 cal percussion officer's pistol with provenance to the Zulu wars" it's "a pistol owned by an officer known to have served in the Zulu wars". It was as likely to have shot a fricking Zulu as his 12 bore bird gun was.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's fulfilling the role of a howdah pistol
                Except it's not. It was carried by a military officer, not used as a self-defense sidearm while tiger hunting.

                >What it definitely isn't doing is being an officer's sidearm in the 1870s.
                Does that agree with the search results I just instructed you to try?

                >A howdah pistol is a pistol you keep in your howdah for blasting a fricking tiger out of it.
                Yes. what does that have to do with this gun?

                >That is not "an .80 cal percussion officer's pistol with provenance to the Zulu wars" it's "a pistol owned by an officer known to have served in the Zulu wars"
                Anon, I have the paperwork. I've read it. You haven't. You're talking out your ass, which is obvious by the fact you're calling a single-barreled pistol a Howdah.

                Now, please, don't ignore the question, please answer this:
                >Now, let's say you're right, and that IS a howdah pistol. what does that change? We are discussing "hand cannons", ITT, right? Do some hand cannons not count in your opinion, like maybe Howdahs?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the search results I just instructed you to try
                >I have the paperwork
                You know what else we have? Army regulations, an officer is to provide himself a sidearm chambered in a military cartridge.
                >It was carried by a military officer
                No it was owned by one. He carried a revolver as per regs. In 100 years some dozy prat will be selling a "genuine tiger stripe deagle brand deagle with provenance to the Gulf War", and other dozy prats will be convinced that E-2s were hauling around Baghdad in financed Mustangs waving a Desert Eagle out the window during Desert Storm.
                >you're calling a single-barreled pistol a Howdah
                For a start it's howdah without the capital, in the same way as truck gun is not Truck gun. The early howdah pistols were literally sawed-off rifles you dumb bastard, you are the problem here. Italian repros might all be double guns, that means exactly nothing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh, I forgot the big single shots. Picrel is a .450 Nitro Express custom Thompson Encore.

        makes me wonder if cybernetics as depicted in sci-fi ever become a real thing then you can swap your hand out for something much more durable and tolerant to big round recoil. OPs pic lore was that it was a costum built hand gun on Silverhands special order meant to counter crazed armored cyborg fans. He could deal with it because of his cyborg silver hand absorbing the shock of rapid firing elephant gun calibers like .470 or .458

        In my opinion brute strength isn't really the limiting factor to shooting big handguns for most people. It really comes down to technique. Check out this video where these fools shoot some really hot handloads in a .475 Linebaugh. This is nearly as powerful as a .500 S&W but in half the weight. The young guys are really bearing down hard on the grip and are pretty muscular but still they can't shoot worth a damn and the gun nearly gets away from them on multiple occasions. Then watch the old man shoot. He's not wimpy noodle arms by comparison and he's not trying to death grip the gun. His elbows are unlocked. Yet he has much better control over it because he doesn't try and stop the gun moving, he lets it lift his arms a little with each shot to soak up the recoil.

        I'm sure cybernetics could be helpful in some way (and it's fricking cool), but I think the control angle might be more important than raw strength or "soaking up recoil".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There was a 500 nitro express encore on gunbroker for under 2k yesterday….

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The .450 in that pic was mine, I sold it years ago. It's a very dangerous gun to have around: the reason is that everybody wants to shoot it, but if you don't know how to shoot it you will only hurt yourself. What prompted me to sell mine was the following:
            >At the range with GF & some other of our circle of friends
            >Everybody has their own guns but it's a mix of new and experienced shooters.
            >I go off to the side to chrono a few handloads out of that Encore
            >GF fires a couple too, she was a small woman but she had been shooting since she was a little kid and had no trouble, and she had shot this gun before.
            >Friend is attracted by the huge boom asks if he can have a shot
            >Grudgingly agree, as he wasn't a total noob and he had shot some big-bore revolvers with us on multiple occasions before and he never did anything unsafe. I explain how to hold it, what to expect from the trigger, and I figure the risk is minimal because it's a single-shot.
            >At the last second he decides my grip advice is bad, and he shoots it with one hand on the grip and the other under the forend before I can stop him.
            >recoil.exe
            >scope_bite.jpg
            >It came flying back out of his grip, smashed his safety glasses, his real glasses behind those, and the scope cut him straight in the middle of his forehead. It now looked like he had three eyebrows, only the middle one was gushing blood.
            >Range trip short, time to go to the ER
            >Dude required 16 stitches

            A .500 would have been even worse, especially if the shooter was doing what I was, and l handloading specifically for that barrel length. now if you can keep the morons away from them, they're fun. And very effective for hog hunting.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    makes me wonder if cybernetics as depicted in sci-fi ever become a real thing then you can swap your hand out for something much more durable and tolerant to big round recoil. OPs pic lore was that it was a costum built hand gun on Silverhands special order meant to counter crazed armored cyborg fans. He could deal with it because of his cyborg silver hand absorbing the shock of rapid firing elephant gun calibers like .470 or .458

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's nothing that cybernetics can do that an exoskeleton couldn't do cheaper and better.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        being part of your body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Surgery to remove or replace a part instead of just taking it off like an exoskeleton

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah but you sleep with the implants in so when the feds raid you at 3am you can just jump out of bed and get gnarly without fumbling around with an exoskeleton

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Aldo good luck making an exoskeleton version of Mr.Stud or Midnight Lady.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they're both fake and gay cope technologies for morons who like Vidya but couldn't test well enough for STEM

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There's nothing that cybernetics can do
        become and extension of you 24/7 instead of the clumsy and bulky exoskeleton. That and what you can hide in its framework making ideal for blending in with the crowd. Also highly fire/burn/chemical etc resistant vs bare skin under the exoskeleton. Final nail in the coffin for you moronation is that losing limbs becomes a non issue instead of the life changing event as it is now, despite the lightyears of progress prosthetics went through with the middle eastern colonial wars

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Put a

          https://i.imgur.com/qRO3rCz.jpg

          It's been done in the framework of your forearm
          >spring loaded to jump the barrel out with a trigger
          >in impending contact get to your target and blast him point blank in the chest with a single shot of .50 cal

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best bullet if you really insist on making some huge hand cannon as far as ballistics goes?
    Sure, you COULD make a 50 BMG revolver with a 5 inch barrel in theory, but what's the point when 90% of the bullet's power is going to be lost as an improvised flashbang?
    Would something like a 12 gauge shotgun hand cannon be more "practical" as, from my moron tier knowledge, low pressure=less barrel length required to get good ballistics?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the idea of .460 Rowland. The power of .44 Magnum in an autoloader with manageable recoil and 15 round mags

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a little bit excessive unless you're an exceptionally big guy and you start hitting diminishing returns hard at the top end. 45 super does everything Rowland does except stop you blowing up any antiques you might have lying around.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    still kinda blows my mind that OP's gun isn't entirely unrealistic in its action.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like .500 Bushwhacker would be awful to shoot.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sure hope we figure out true rail/gauss weaponry on a portable level someday.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't believe there has ever been a recorded case of a man breaking a bone from recoil generated by a weapon he could lift.

    Lots of "stories" without specifics, but really try to find one with a name, date, examination by a doctor. I bet you cant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anti tank guns were known for breaking collar bones.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Known for" is code for "never happened to someone with both a first and last name"

        %3D

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          in combat situations like early days of ww2 it was known to happen. When you dont have time to properly fix your position like you do in a range and for example in haste a small gap was left between the stock and shoulder so the recoil could build up inertia.

          Remember seeing both german and polish accounts of it happening in veteran recollections

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            From what I read the problem was that they were based on elephant guns that were designed to be fired from standing. It's more or less impossible for recoil to break anything when you're standing up, because energy takes the path of least resistance and it's easier for you to fall over or let go of the gun, but when you're lying down you can't move backwards or let go, so the path of least resistance always goes through your skeleton.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >in combat situations like early days of ww2 it was known to happen.
            To who specifically?

            >Remember seeing both german and polish accounts of it happening in veteran recollections
            I find it awesome that in all those recollections there's not one actual report or medical file, despite the fact that the men would obviously have to be treated for injuries.

            From what I read the problem was that they were based on elephant guns that were designed to be fired from standing. It's more or less impossible for recoil to break anything when you're standing up, because energy takes the path of least resistance and it's easier for you to fall over or let go of the gun, but when you're lying down you can't move backwards or let go, so the path of least resistance always goes through your skeleton.

            Has this ever happened to anyone in possession of both a first and a last name?

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