Guns as a hobby is starting to suck. Everything is too expensive, especially ammo, and all the new designs are cheap shit made of plastic and aluminum that jam excessively. Pic related is one of the worst culprits, yet people keep buying them despite the known very prolific jamming issue. Why do we accept this and not demand better quality from manufacturers? Seems advancement has stalled and it's just all planned obsolescence garbage made to rip us off.
You can get a functional psa ar-15 for $400 you frickin schmuck fifteen years ago that would’ve been $1500. Psa daggers are 300 or whatever, you can get their 5.7 meme machine for cheap too compared to the fn.
You’re dead on about ammo though
>psa ar-15
Aluminum, jammy, shooting steel case damages it.
>Psa dagger
Plastic, soft stainless steel instead of high carbon steel, meme caliber.
You're literally a victim of the stupidity plaguing the market. Learn some engineering and basic metallurgy.
moron
>soft stainless steel
opinion fricking discarded.
As for your
FtF is either your mags need new springs or a timing issue. If new mag springs dont fix it, then get a new recoil spring assembly. You could spend <$20 and not be here being a homosexual.
>aluminum
Are you fricking moronic?
No because I avoid aluminum, look up what it does to your brain.
I said a low end plane costs $50k and they do. You can own and fly a plane for $50k, my argument was proven correct now you're just shitting out of your mouth trying to seem like you were still right about something.
> No because I avoid aluminum, look up what it does to your brain.
You need a brain to damage first. You’ll be fine
Pretty good bait
>fifteen years ago that would’ve been $1500
That's what a "cheap" AR costs in Europe.
>in Europe.
Who fricking cares dude
this.
frick ya mudda
But then you get roasted everywhere you go. Everyone makes fun of poors
Frick the haters. PSA may not be ultra competition grade, but if you're still learning or you're shooting offhand you won't notice the difference anyway. It still makes a perfectly good hole in your target.
Psa makes millions of rifles, probably the majority of ar15s, nobody actually roasts people irl its just online you see it
>Everyone makes fun of poors
no, not at all
AK owners have to spend way more for entry level stuff than ar owners, yet they all love when things are cheap and dirty, same with most milsurp owners although the bar is lower
the problem is inherently with AR owners being massive wiener suckers
Who gives a shit? An affordable gun is a gun you won't be afraid to go outside and shoot with. The more expensive ones with bells and whistles like forced/assisted reset triggers and holographic sights can come later, and a PA-15 with a Holosun 403B or some other affordable sight will work well enough on the range or backyard. It's as stupid as making fun of Miatas and old Thinkpads.
>But then you get roasted everywhere you go. Everyone makes fun of poors
literally not a thing, go back to /PrepHole/
Get off the internet for once. Holy shit. First why do you care what complete strangers think of you? Second, PSAs are the best selling guns in America. Everyone buys them. Third, 90% of gun owners can tell a brand of an AR apart when you get more than a couple feet away. Honestly unless you see rollmarks they all look the same from the outside.
>all the new designs are cheap shit made of plastic and aluminum that jam excessively
Heard dat. Maybe you should return to time-tested traditions.
Based. My arsenal is as follows:
>PTR91 steel lower
>Saiga
>VZ58
>EAA Witness steel frame
If it ain't steel it can frick right off. I just wish there were more options, I don't like that my handgun has to be DA/SA and my rifles don't have comfy thumb selectors. We need modern designs that are as robust as cold war era designs.
>If it ain't steel it can frick right off
Heard dat brother
>dat anon with the rem r1
I thought they were middling quality at best. Brother in law had one, a "tactical one" with poi being 2 feet right at 30 feet, due to shitty installed sights, which were moronicly thight at took a while to get loose. He sold it afterwards
I've prefered SA as base guns if I'm going to tinker. How much mim? See them popping up for sale every now and then.
Never liked the look of tactical 1911's. If it has an ambi safety& a big beaver tail I don't want it. Sights on my R1 have always been dead on though, and they're definitely very snuggly fit into their dovetails, which I guess is probably a good thing for a carry gun
Mim as in metal injection molding? I have no idea tbh, I'd guess the frame but idk. Picked mine up new in 2017 for $550; think they stopped making them in 2018. Love it all around. Might replace the grips with a lighter color wood finish
Checked
Beavertail grip safeties are nice if you suffer from hammer bite tho. The only two i have with classic hammers and grip safeties are an old colt gold cup NM and a newer colt with some upgrades for carry, only thing is both are blued and in hot and humid south I only take carry them for special occassions. Day to day i do a ss 45 commander or a 2 tone ronin 9mm, both slightly tuned
>only thing is both are blued and in hot and humid south I only take carry them for special occassions
Yeah that's my issue too. Need to get a Glock 36 when I move down to GA in the Fall
Guns have always been toys for 99%+ of people living in industrial societies. We aren't subsistence hunters or soldiers so the only thing left was to use our infinite production capacity to turn guns into funko pops that require a background check.
It won't get any better until we restrict more people from owning guns, which should've happened long ago.
Kill your self
Frick ya mudda
(you)
>Thinks restricting firearms ownership will somehow fix pricing
The same sort of person will think going to city hall to block the construction of "luxury apartments" will somehow make home prices more affordable.
Guns are literally cheaper than ever? Or does he want prices to go up?
Gb2reddit
Kill (you)rself
>yet people keep buying them despite the known very prolific jamming issue.
Works for me.
You can tell when a hobby dies based on what it looks like on YouTube
>Is influenced by "influencers"
Whew laddy
Wow, you're an even bigger dipshit than you think I am.
Not possible, because you're the biggest dipshit of all
You think guns are an expensive hobby? Lol, lmao
Look into how much these hobbies cost and get back to me:
>mountain biking
>offroad vehicles (dirt bikes, quads, etc)
>cars in general
>watersports
>snow sports
>sim racing
>God help.you; private aircraft ownership
>mountaineering
>sim racing
Lmafrickingo
Wow dude that's crazy but nobody asked
>mountain biking
$400 for a brand new Trek 820, obviously used market is even cheaper.
>offroad vehicles
Dirt bikes & quads can be had under $3k new, UTVs around $9k new, again cheaper used
>cars in general
$15k for a higher end tuner in good shape, or just buy a damn Camry and turbo it. But yeah this can get up to $60k+ if you're a brandgay who thinks BMWs are good and feel the need to buy new.
>watersports
You don't need to bring your fetishes into this.
>snow sports
Snowboards can be had under $100
>sim racing
This is pure autism and you deserve to be ripped off.
>private aircraft ownership
$20k for a bare bones plane that may have an engine failure or two mid-flight, $50k for a decent Cessna. Granted this isn't cheap, but you can pay it off by selling private flights to richers.
>mountaineering
$20 tent, jacket and sleeping bag, wow. Again you can even get this stuff used.
Even with guns you only end up burning money if you're moronic or have to have the newest cool thing. Just buy one used rifle and handgun, bam you're set for everything you might ever need a gun for and you can shoot them recreationally as well. You're all pretty dumb to sleep on airsofting as a form of training, whatever you gays are doing at the range isn't akin to combat training. Get a cheap airshit kit and do some tactical scenarios with live conscious threats.
>$50k for a decent Cessna
Try $200K for a Cessna from 1979.
Nope, they can get to that price if they're good quality enough but you can fund them in good shape for 50-60k all day. Beat to shit off brand planes can be had dirt cheap but gl when your engine dies over a mountain. I know a guy who's lucky to be alive on that.
>knows a guy
Ew anon that's gay
> but you can fund them in good shape for 50-60k all day
Show me three. If there’s so easy to find that should be really quick and simple
>airsofter
>moronic, dogshit opinions, confidently incorrect
yeah
>You're all pretty dumb to sleep on
>proceeds to praise airsoft
>shits on airsoft
>has no comparative training
Listen self-taught, it's simround training that the government spends tens of thousands of dollars on for the price of a $100 gun, $5 ammo, and $20 admission. Get a team together and teach them what you know (nothing, you have nothing to train anyone on so stfu) so it's not just a bunch of morons running around with no tactics. That's exactly what SHTF is gonna be anyway by the looks of it. A bunch of morons running around with zero tactical knowledge trying to do shit they did in a video game.
When shtf come find me. You won't get within 50mi
Why would I care about some autist starving with no one around him for 50 miles?
Simunition isn't going to be imported for civvies anymore. Thanks GAYTF
You’re pretty spot on and all, but these are all just up front costs. The point OP is making is that maintaining the hobby is expensive. A gun is pretty cheap up front, but ammo, range time, range gear, optics, and internal upgrades are exponentially more expensive than the gun itself. And same goes for all the hobbies you mentioned.
>range gear, optics, and internal upgrades
LMAO FOR WHAT?
Wasted digits. Buying them for the hobby obviously. You don’t HAVE to buy them. But you also don’t HAVE to buy a gun in the first place. Part of the fun of shooting is trying new things and learning how to improve yourself and your gun.
>you don’t have to buy a gun
I also pay literally no attention to my surroundings, current events, or pattern recognition either. The world is obviously becoming safer, and better. Thank you Biden
>brand new Trek 820
>$400
Complete waste of money. Good bikes are starting at around $800 and even those could be mid af, depends on the brand.
t. have GT Zaskar
Did you miss the part where I don't want fricking ALUMINUM GARBAGE. Steel frame everything including bikes b***h.
Every barrel is free floated if you take your long shots with a magwell grip notrain.
Enjoy your 35lbs bike with shitty equip. Like 70mm coil spring suspension? Holy shit.
I'm sorry sir I will now consoom the newest most expensive prodooct.
>snowboard under 100
You're a moron that has never left the house. An annual pass in my area is 1200, day pass a little over a hundred and that's without gear rental. Idk why you shut ins try so hard to be experts on everything.
>stamp collecting is buying a dozen forever stamps at the post office
Casual interest =/= hobby =/= enthusiasts
I know it's just like my opinion but hobby is more than a couple steps above a mossman maverick, foam ear plugs, and several boxes of birdshot. It's a special interest in more refined things.
This. All that text in
screams bare minimum to attempt, not "hobbyist". A $400 mountain bike is what budget-conscious noobs will buy, hardly anyone who is "into the hobby" stops at that point.
>But yeah this can get up to $60k+ if you're a brandgay
Anon, people pay MILLIONS for rare or high-end cars. $60k ain't shit.
Here's the difference, a cheap tuner goes as fast and corners just as well and sometimes better than the brand new expensive luxury sports cars. You can even buy a basic Tesla and smoke those. It depends on the training and skill level of the driver. This is true of any hobby. The gun "enthusiast" with zero training and an expensive equipment setup is going to get smoked by someone with a high training and skill level who owns one affordable gun in stock condition. So no you don't need expensive shit to enjoy the thing or be good at it.
>So no you don't need expensive shit to enjoy the thing or be good at it.
No, of course not. But many people do spend that much money. If you look at both ends of the spectrum you can see where the middle is located.
"being good at it" is a totally different topic. I totally agree you don't *need* to spend a huge amount of money to develop skill, but the fact is that people *do*. Value for money isn't even part of the discussion, the point is just listing what people typically spend.
The post I replied to mentioned what cargays costs "could get to" and implied that $60k was some high-end limit, while in reality it's nowhere close to what a high-end cargay might spend. If we're talking about what things "could get to", how much does Jay Leno spend on his car hobby?
>how much does Jay Leno spend on his car hobby?
He's a collector, I doubt he has much skill in racing or tactical driving. There's practical skill and then there's "I own this" or "I own many of this." Guns used to be more of a common collector's item when they were cheaper, we're seeing that go away. But we definitely still have collectors and those who just like the mere act of owning an expensive item, vs the ones who are actually interested in weapon mastery.
>He's a collector
Yes. Car collectors are one type of car hobbyist, just as racers are another. Same with guns: Some people collect Bresican flintlocks, other people compete who can blast the most little clay discs with shotguns, others act out tactical scenarios with paper targets. And so on.
>There's practical skill and then there's "I own this" or "I own many of this."
Right. Both are examples of different kinds of gun hobbies. We should be talking about all of them, not just one.
>we're seeing that go away.
I don't think that's true. Serious gun auctions continue to set higher and higher price records, and it's not just the rare stuff that appreciates. Mosins and SKSes are a lot more expensive today than they were a few years ago. Media drives gun demand, and just as how boomers love old Colts because of their old TV westerns, there's TONS of new people getting into the gun hobby because they grew up playing video games or watching guntubers.
>But we definitely still have collectors and those who just like the mere act of owning an expensive item, vs the ones who are actually interested in weapon mastery.
Right. So why are you only talking about the latter group? This isn't a "gun expert" thread. It's a "gun hobby" thread, that covers all aspects of the gun hobby. And it, like any other hobby, can easily become a money pit.
Speaking of money pit hobbies, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned music yet, you can spend yourself into a hole real fricking fast buying fancy guitars, vintage electronics, synths.
Collecting is moronic and an invalid hobby. Glorified hoarding.
Collecting shit is ingrained in basic human psychology. If you like shit you always collect it, interested in different types and variations.
Collecting stuff probably goes back to the dawn of mankind. Grug kills a deer and makes a jacket from the hide. It's nice, but it doesn't cover his legs and winter is coming. Then Grug kills an elk and makes a new coat that covers his whole body, but he keeps the old one because it will be better when it's not cold as frick. A year later, Grug kills a sheep and makes a wooly vest out of it. It's warmer and lighter than the deerskin jacket, but he doesn't want to get rid of it because he has memories attached to it now. There's a collection. He probably even lived to see leather coats with detachable sections get invented and hear Aidug talk about how clothing collections are stupid because you should just buy once cry once.
Yo, I found this bare bones airplane designed a long ass time ago.
It's a little higher than $50k.
It's light sport, I though these were cheap!?!?!
>2024
They lose half their value when you fly them out of the dealership.
>loses half the value
>still 6x as expensive as claimed
You're a dishonest crap sack, there are plenty in the 50k range. They used to be even less before everyone with a depreciating asset lost their minds and is trying to sell it for 3x its value.
Lol. You dont even remember what you said.
I fricking do, you wanna see what a $20k one looks like? Yes they exist, I'm familiar with this market dickwad. Don't make me post $5k and even $1k aircraft. You don't need a goddamn jet or inflated price prop plane to fly.
You said the bare bones planes were $20k. Where are those?
> They used to be even less
Meaning they aren’t now
>high end tuner for 15k
What's it like living in the past? You can get a roached POS and inherit someone else's problems, and if your hobby is cars you're not buying a Camry unless you're a Mexican.
>praising airsoft
homosexual.
>You don't need to bring your fetishes into this
Kek.
>you can pay it off by selling private flights to richers.
Any actually rich people who want to fly privately will do so on either a private jet or their doctor friend's brand new mooney, not your clapped out 172. And if you do want to offer charter flights you'll need to get your commercial at an absolute minimum so tack on even more money, time, and mx costs for flight training after your private.
You can't charge for flying people around point to point. Illigeal as absolute frick under part 91 without it getting insanely expensive with a LOA, or going to part 135. Also, not a single "richer" is going to have you fly them around in a basic b***h cessna. Bottom barrel rich people charter turboprops for $15k-$30k to go across 3 states.
Two things matter the most for GA travel, speed and seating capacity. A 172 or even a 182 don't fit the bill.
Airplanes aren't a depreciating asset, moron. They're like houses, they go up in value if you don't destroy it.
The biggest factor is engine time. But regardless, it will be worth more in 5 years than when you bought it. If you O/H the engine yourself, congrats, you just added $20k - $30k to the price tag.
Also, you've pointed out a clapped out 172. That's like saying a gun hobby is cheap because you can buy a heavily used 10-yo highpoint for $100.
Also, 172s are not fun, nor are they good for traveling. It's a good trainer, that's it.
fanatec entry dd is 400$ people can frick off that sim racing is expensive it's not.
only thing on the list that's expensive is flying.
also OP shoot 22lr if your poor. Or get a bow.
> Dirt bikes & quads can be had under $3k new,
For children, possibly. Show me a new production four wheeler for less than $3k.
> $15k for a higher end tuner in good shape
Maybe 10 years ago
>or just buy a Camry
No
> >watersports
>You don't need to bring your fetishes into this.
Weird way of saying he’s right and even you can’t lie about the prices
>snow sports
>Snowboards can be had under $100
moron confirmed. What you buy at Wally World for kids doesn’t count for adults.
> >private aircraft ownership
>20k for a bare bones plane that may have an engine failure or two mid-flight, $50k for a decent Cessna.
lol. Lmao even.
Get with the time gramps. Why do you gain from lying this badly?
>Get with the time gramps, buy shit at purposely inflated prices
No, you morons are exactly what's causing the prices of everything to go up. Companies are taking full advantage of your stupidity.
Eh you only need a nice cute girl who likes drinking water
>mountain biking
you can literally buy a top of the line yeti for 9k and you've already eaten 80% of the cost of the hobby for the next 5 years. You replace tires and chains for 80 bucks a pop once in a while. Bleed brakes for effectively nothing. Trails cost virtually nothing. It's cheap.
>ORV
Same story as MTB, except the tires and chains cost more. You do fluids changes for trivial amounts of money. If you want more out a bike, you sell it and get a different one because modiftying them significantly is moronic. As long as you're not crashing shit all the time it's not crazy.
>Cars
If you honest to God taking your car to the track, yes. The tires alone will kill you. Powertrain stuff is also a hopeless money pit with them. If you're just taking your car autocrossing once in a while, it's really not that expensive.
>Watersports
Absolutely fricked. I agree.
>Snow sports
Once you get the gear, you blow 2-3 grand a year on passes. If have to fly to a state with ski hills, you're moronic and doing it wrong.
>Sim racing
Literally cheaper than everything on this list
>Aircraft
Holy frick absolutely true. Frick that.
>Mountaineering
This really depends how deep you want to get into it. If you're ice climbing or something exotic and live somewhere you have to fly to anything remotely interesting, I could see it becoming pricey. But if you live in a non flyover state and just do most of everything on foot, it doesn't get that bad.
Honestly, if you're going to matches 2-3 times a month, you're blowing through about 500 rounds a month. You should be practicing live fire every week, which is probably going to be about 500 rounds each time. That's about 2500 rounds a week, so about $1000/mo in pistol, or $1250 in rifle. That's not counting range fees, broken shit, and the guns which tend to depreciate like milk if you're buying new. I'd say $12-15k a year is not unheard of if you're actually into the hobby, which is still a lot.
It’s always surprising to me how people don’t bat an eye if you buy a boat or a motorcycle or a 2nd vehicle, but balk at the idea of spending thousands on guns.
Some mid tier featureless ARs are more expensive than a fricking great sim racing setup lmao
guns ARE expensive though.
>rifle
800-1000
>ammo
3600 per year
>car
50k + yearly costs
>house
2,000,000
>family
3,000,000
you can enjoy a hobby at any level but with the advent of social media, israelitetube, zoomers, etc. now the idea is you have to instantly start out in a hobby with top of the line primo gear which gets pictures taken of it more than it actually gets taken out.
Guns are tools. You’re not supposed to hoard guns and dump thousands of rounds a year.
You are a tool
>guns are tools
>noooo don’t use your tools
>a hammer is a tool
>you aren't supposed to drive thousands of nails a year with it
Nice dude
Frick you
Whoa take it easy bud
>what is the ATI Nomad?
$100 single shot break action. Literally can’t jam. Conserves ammo. Box of 250 shells is $100. Doesn’t need modifications. If you manage to break it, you deserve what you get.
Frick
You
Frick ya mudda
Take it easy man
Ha ha you're brown
Ha ha you're sexless
True, but I don't mind. Adults disgust me and having sex with girls I'm interested in is illegal, and I value my liberty more than dicky.
>Guns as a hobby is starting to suck. Everything is too expensive, especially ammo, and all the new designs are cheap shit made of plastic and aluminum that jam
collect wonder 9's
instead of thinking about the cash value of your ammo just set aside a percentage of your income each month aside for ammo or accessories, that way you're always spending the same amount each time and you just have more or less ammo each month depending on prices
like say you have $800 of expendable income each month, dedicating $50 isnt that bad
also, stop paying for subscriptions or buying useless stuff, and start pirating things more, almost everybody has needless expenses that would be better dedicated to guns
OP your problem isnt guns, your problem is what you're doing with them
go find some friends who own land or go deep into public land and dig a trench and camp out in it
So is that technically a free-floating barrel?
What website do you think we’re on? The entire reason most people are on here is because they can’t make friends
Expensive hobbie?
My e-MTB cost $5000
My drones + batteries around $4000
I threw more than $15000 into my motorbike
Adult toys are expensive as frick anon.
You only need one gun and support equipment to enjoy shooting if you're poor. It doesn't matter what other people buy as that does not affect you. Of course advancement has stalled after centuries. Refined machines hit the limit of diminishing returns long ago.
You can't be ripped off if you don't buy stupidly but toys are not tools and guns to men are like shoes to women.
>guns to men are like shoes to women
Pretty sure men also wear shoes. At least I and all my homies do
shoot 22lr dumbass
>Everything is too expensive
>and all the new designs are cheap shit made of plastic and aluminum
Pick one. You complaining about price is exactly why everything is soulless plastic these days.
Cry about it and pick up video games or something, gay.
>I'm a casual cyclist
>turned to guns cause they were more fun for the moment and i had a better friend group with them
>buy a collection of guns, trained, gone to meets, gun shows, etc., over the course of 4 years, feel like i've peaked.
>decide to get back into cycling
>realize i'm in better shape now and my old bike just isn't good enough. I'm also not hitting my target times and the bike shop didn't know how to maintain my old cheap groupset.
>look into getting a starter modern road bike, carbon, "minimum viable" groupset in Shimano 105, not even carbon wheels just tubeless compatible is fine, upgrade to the 3 hole pedals/clipless option instead of the shitty SPD shoes i was wearing, etc.
>total price: 3500 dollars
What kind of fricking gun can I get for 3500 dollars? God damn.
If you're into gun collecting then $3500 is pretty low end. Ever poke around a fancy gun auction and see what stuff sold for? Here's one from last December.
https://www.rockislandauction.com/catalog/4090
And if you're into competition shooting one can easily exceed $3500. Nice competition pistols for IPSC can cost $5k easy. The rifles they use for Biathlon or olympic style target shooting can cost that too. Serious clay shooters are often using shottys costing well over $10k. If you're serious about skeet then you have four of them, or at the very least a 4-barrel set, because you compete in all four gauges (.410, 28, 20, 12). Rigs for ELR competition are crazy expensive, a few thousand for the rifle, a few thousand for the scope.
You can get a badass pistol or rifle for 3.5k.
In the handgun world you’re in 2011 territory, or you could buy a cheaper handgun and a lot more ammo and gadgets for it.
>very very slowly ride the slide down until the bullet gets stuck then use it as proff of glogs being unreliable
*2500 a month, my bad
It's the golden age of cheap 9mm pistols (see CZ and Steyr) and cheap AR-15's. But yeah ammo costs blow
New to guns in the past year. Why did ammo get expensive?
morons buy it at ridiculous prices, the manufacturers realized they can keep the prices high and pretend there's a shortage constantly.
since 2020 the major ammo makers have been price gouging the frick out us. Other factors include legitimate increase in material costs and the effects of biden banning russian ammo under the guise of sanctions for the Navalny poisoning. Being an election its gonna get worse.
>cheap 9mm pistols (see CZ and Steyr)
Anon they're fricking PLASTIC how did this become acceptable? Might as well collect made in China action figures.
haha. nice grip on that there sonny. tea time.
>Pic related is one of the worst culprits, yet people keep buying them despite the known very prolific jamming issue.
I've had my 19 for 3 years now and I've never had a single malfunction, even after intentionally trying to limpwrist it just to see what would happen.
I bought a Taurus 856 snub and it's been pretty solid, even the poorgay brands seem to be good these days
Agreed. Get you a Clipdraw
>get drunk
>pull up thread
>post correct opinion aimed at enraging morons
>hide thread
>forget about it in the morning
devilish
>there are hundreds of separate Google images of Glock that got chewed up by dogs
Not only are Glock owners dimwitted enough to buy a plastic gun, they're dumb enough to leave it where their giant rat can get to it and eat it. I'm with OP on this one, this is unacceptable for a life saving tool to be equivalent to a chew toy.
>i hate guns now because they're popular
>t. adult in his 30s whos been like this since they were 12