Anyone else following the defense hackathon in El Segundo?
Lots of cool shit being made by 20 somethings
https://x.com/ilaffey2/status/1759353732075294766?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ
The defense hackathon in El Segundo
Anyone else following the defense hackathon in El Segundo?
Lots of cool shit being made by 20 somethings
https://x.com/ilaffey2/status/1759353732075294766?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ
>the winning team is comprised exclusively of white men
Curious
>Competition about repeating the same thing over and over to get good at it
>Its all Asians winning
>Competition about innovation and intellectual creativity
>Its all White North Americans, Europeans and Australians
Really makes one think
To be fair, both processes are helpful in their own way. Ideally you want both innovation and the ability to quickly iterate better and better designs from an existing design.
They compliment eachother and theres downsides to both kinds of thinking be they spineless bugmen or White people going schizo in their 20s
So white+asian happas is the true future of humanity? The psychotic happa males from time to time aside.
Can someone explain what uses that drone has? I guess I just don't get it.
Is the impressive part the "in 24h" and not infact the drone?
>what's so special about TERCOM?
other than it being totally unjammable?
But they use Google Maps which is no different than Gov supplied maps for terrain navigation which cruise missile have been doing for a while.
Is the use of the visual camera the game changer?
The expedience and the cost are the impressive factors. The rest is just niche programming, 3D modeling, and the ability to rapid prototype (these people exist in droves on YouTube); anyone with 72 hours and a relative grasp on API interfacing could probably cobble one together with enough motivation and/or relevant background knowledge. Hell, I have 2/3. I got a buddy that can work a 3D printer.
Cameras are more resistant to jamming than reaching Google during wartime is, anyway.
detecting the lens flare, estimating flight speed and last known location to estimate projected flight path....and then blind the camera with a laser. No different than detecting facial features which is publically available tech. I guess a quick solution would be to snapshot with the camera lens and then conceal it behind something. This tech would very much benefit from future proofing.
You have to know where the camera is, though, in order to jam. This is much less the case with mere RF transmission. Detecting lens flare is what I would call a dream. You either have 1,000,000 false positives and need an operator to sit there and filter through them, or you need to train an AI to defeat anti-recognition paint-jobs. Both require time/money/are unreasonable.
Small, cheap drones that navigate through intermittent optical guidance are nearly impossible to jam. Add a wire and you get a TOW missile. We're now approaching modern warfare.
I'd love to see the data that makes you think detecting lens flare is possible or preferable to just spotting a flying drone that's 180x the size of a camera lens, flying through the air/crawling on the ground.
The technology is already deployed by Russia , that's my point, so if it's a proven concept it need only be repurposed for aerial subversion. If you don't anticipate your enemies' adapatations, much less develop according to their current technology then you're already behind. Again you're going to put a TOW on a drone but who is going to be flying it and giving the command to fire? You're not proposing to just let loose some drones on predetermined paths and to attack at will, are you? I can understand if you're programming paths for bombing runs on already known intel, sure.
>Again you're going to put a TOW on a drone
You fundamentally misunderstood my sentiment.
I asked for proof of tracking lens flare in a practical capacity in a wartime environment. I don't really care about the rest. "Russia invented it" is not proof of anything. The US government and Germany both shoot down drones regularly, but by and large you need to know where they'll be, ahead of time, or you need a clear field of fire and line of sight in a predetermined area to identify drones in flight. They're also not "identifying lens flare" to do it. Post data, if you feel like it. Otherwise I'll assume you're 16 years old, or third world, as your reading comprehension suggests.
Stosna-N has been deployed in Ukraine, it automatically detects lens flares and deploys counter measures (lasers directed into the optic) and marks their location. This has been confirmed by soldiers fighting in Ukraine. The technology exists and needs only adapted for aerial application, as I've stated. That is where we are heading, and simply defeating it by not always exposing your cameras/sensors and concealing them when not in use is but one simple solution. If they're able to detect optical devices and send defensive lasers, determine their location, all automatically, this can be adapted for multi-purpose use. I don't really see how there can be argument against that kek
>Stosna-N has been deployed in Ukraine, it automatically detects lens flares and deploys counter measures (lasers directed into the optic) and marks their location. This has been confirmed by soldiers fighting in Ukraine.
This is what I've been looking for, thanks.
"With no signal" "Using google maps". It's NOAA supplied maps which you can download an offline version of (ie. pretty much a picture) through google maps anon. Even if you can't get that, IIRC you can get a lower quality copy via satellite with an antenna as NOAA satellites come over pretty often; they're used for weather. Also normal (civilian) GPS has its limitations; off memory there's speed limits and it's only accurate to some degree (like 10 feet or something?) both to prevent use in missiles. So while I'm not certain what the use case is, it's at least impressive. Like other anon said, no jamming when it's purely relying on a camera and onboard map pics.
The drone itself is still uplinked somewhere to receive commands. Yes you could do preprogrammed flight paths and have it solely depend upon the information already on its data drive, but the usefulness of this tech would be to retrieve it in real time for recon, artillery support, and troop movements/locations. You'd have to have it fly to predetermined retrieval locations otherwise which is basically reverting back to WW2 technology as by the time you do all that, analyze it, you can't be certain the drone was not spotted and the information outdated.
use an open source GPS app and predownloaded topographical map.
>GPS has its limitations
All restrictions were removed in like 2015.
They USED to artifically degrade accuracy for the civilian signal, but they don't anymore. The biggest difference is most civilian GPSs in like your smartphone, use a single GPS signal whereas higher precision GPS (for farming, land surveying, airplane maps, etc) uses 2 GPS signals simultaneously and compares the two positional values, averages them, and that's accurate to within a few inches.
The military signal is the same thing, but encrypted and the newer GPS satellites can direct a spot beam cone down at a specific region on the earth to boost the signal at that location to overpower any localized GPS jamming or hijacking.
Oh really? I thought I was getting pretty strangely accurate GPS on my camera. I assume that's the GPS satellite removing that limitation as one of my older cameras is pre '15. It's funny because google maps still has absolute ass accuracy. Tired of waiting 30 seconds in a spot after opening the app again because it has no clue where I am within a 30 foot circle. Then it gets rid of that circle and pinballs the dot around in a 15 foot area for another 15 seconds. Meanwhile my camera would pinpoint it within 3-5 feet and just chuck it straight into the EXIF within 5 seconds of startup.
>doesnt understand the utility of cheap, spammable C/OTS precision strike capability
Imagine if Shaheds could actually tell where they were going and evade enemy air defenses with an upgrade costing no more than a couple extra microchips under the hood.
prize and size?
you now have cheap ass drones that can navigate on satellite images
Slap an explosive charge and a contact fuse on them and presto unjamable drones.
So they just made a TERPROM system
Yes. So GPS jamming is obsolete.
GPS jamming is already obsolete with the latest generation GPS satellites. RMP allows Block IIIF satellites the ability to point a spotbeam like 50km*50km anywhere on earth that boosts the GPS signal in that region by like 60x the normal. Overcoming any local jamming unless you were standing directly next to the jammer or it has absurd power output.
can they find my wallet
>3D printing murder drones is LE GOOD
>3D printing firearms for self defense is LE BAD