this site is flooded with worthless fricking Black folk but here you are larping like a stormgay robot making Black person tier posts like this.
have a nice day
moronic Black person homosexual or a bot, or maybe b8
if so 10/10
https://i.imgur.com/Xnsimbx.jpg
9mm has always been just for range toys, it’s cheap and goes bang, good for a PCC to plunk around with at the range or in the desert or something but I wouldn’t dare using 9mm for personal protection, I’d take .38 special +p, .357, 10mm, 40s&w, and 45ACP ANYDAY over 9mm pea shooters
holy based
9x19 is .355
.357 is .357
9x19 maxes out at 35k psi
.357 is up there at 44k psi
9x19 struggles to push a 147gr
.357 launches 200gr with ease
9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8
9x19 is .355
.357 is .357
9x19 maxes out at 35k psi
.357 is up there at 44k psi
9x19 struggles to push a 147gr
.357 launches 200gr with ease
9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8
>9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8 >caliber:caliber::car model:engine
you're moronic bro. Now watch yourself argue with me about priuses or something or perhaps even accuse me of driving one and missing my point entirely.
https://i.imgur.com/XdePhge.jpg
Based. What barrel length
yo anon I've seen your pic before and it's the reason I got a clipdraw for my Charter undercover. Thing is, I realized I can't wear it when I'm wearing my shirt tucked in. now I'm trying to look for tuckable IWB holsters
>Thing is, I realized I can't wear it when I'm wearing my shirt tucked in
Valid. I always have a tucked-in undershirt that the revolver goes over, and then an outer layer
9x19 is .355
.357 is .357
9x19 maxes out at 35k psi
.357 is up there at 44k psi
9x19 struggles to push a 147gr
.357 launches 200gr with ease
9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8
Just stop posting. In no universe is 9mm better than 10mm. >muh capacity
It doesnt take 20 rounds of 9mm to drop a suspect >muh recoil >muh wrists
Cant help that. Other than changing shooting stance to allow the body to absorb the recoil. Not easy to learn but its possible to execute
It doesnt take 20 rounds of 10mm*
Frick im the one thats moronic.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
glad you caught on
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
My point is higher caliber rounds dont require follow up shots. Shot placement is critical. And this case proves it.
9mm sucks.
10mm. .357 .44mag 300meme
All ok
Shot placement. Maybe do some drills where you only have 4+1. A revolver forces you to be more decisive with your shots, and without any other information I suspect that is something that played to Granny's advantage.
That probably means they hated him from the start, treated him like the unwanted son he was and ultimately nudged him down the path in life that led to this.
Start with parents shitty enough to name you condom out of dislike for you from birth and low class enough to do it end up shit person.
9mm has always been just for range toys, it’s cheap and goes bang, good for a PCC to plunk around with at the range or in the desert or something but I wouldn’t dare using 9mm for personal protection, I’d take .38 special +p, .357, 10mm, 40s&w, and 45ACP ANYDAY over 9mm pea shooters
9mm was designed for the sidearm of the German infantry back at the turn of the century Victorian Era when the average adult male height was no more than 5 and a half feet, and the average weight was 140 lbs. A lot of adult men today are up to a foot taller and nearly double the weight.
2 inch or whatever it is. Im the dude from the thread a few days ago telling yall to talk me out of it. Well, you guys didnt do a great job of it so here i am lmao
Nah im kidding though i cant wait to shoot it. Will make a nice lil brother to my Highway Patrolman
Hell yeah brother. If I could do it again I'd get the stainless finish on my 856. Glad we talked you into it; now hopefully I can talk you into putting a ClipDraw on it…
Its honestly pretty nice for the money. The cylinder could spin a little smoother and the ejector rod could be a little less gritty but overall the finish is uniform and has no blemishes that i can see. Cant complain.
And i very well might, as im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find for this thing
definitely shoot it before you bet your life on it
every Taurus handgun I've ever seen or handled in person has been a lemon
Yeah i mean im sure itll be fine but im definitely gonna shoot it to be sure. Cant wait. That said, everything ive heard about Taurus revolvers (not pistols) from both people IRL and on here has been overwhelmingly positive. So im not terribly worried.
>Condon most likely struck Ms Jenneiahn over the head while she was in bed, investigators found blood on her pillow and bedroom floor >The intruder, who was wearing a black ski mask and military jacket, then handcuffed her to a wooden chair and asked where she kept her valuables. >Condon pointed a gun at her head when she told him she didn't have much to give him >Ms Jenneiahn told Condon she had two safes downstairs before he left her handcuffed to the chair while he searched several rooms for valuables. >At some point he discovered that Christine's son was also in the home and became angry at Christine for not telling him. >Condon is then said to have made numerous threats to kill Ms Jenneiahn. >However, while he was searching the downstairs of the property, the elderly woman was able to drag herself to her bedroom while still handcuffed to the chair. >She retrieved her .357 Magnum from under her pillow before heading back to the living room and hiding it between the armrest and a cushion. of a couch next to where she was seated and waited to see what Condon did next >when the intruder returned to the living room after having rummaged through her home, he again threatened to kill her. >She ultimately made the decision that it was 'now or never' and drew her concealed 357 Magnum and engaged Condon striking him with both her shots, >Condon returned fire emptied a 9mm pistol into Christine striking her multiple times in her abdomen, leg, arm and chest >Condon then went into the adjoining kitchen where he collapsed and died from his wounds >Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911. >Deputies arrived at approximately 12:17 p.m. and provided lifesaving measures.
Holy fricking shit.
>4 rounds >10 hours >2 critical hits (abdomen and chest)
How the FRICK did this young lady survive??
9MM sisters please i need high flow copium STAT!!!
My best bet? The guy was probably using bottom of the barrel 9mm ball ammo, and only got clean shots that missed major vessels and organs
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
But i mean even so, its insane that you can hit two critical areas, rich with organs and major vessels, in a small woman (thus these organs are in concentrated in a smaller area) and still not kill her even AFTER 10 hours. I mean surely she mustve bled quite a bit? Most old people are on blood thinners too. Mind blowing
You forgot that she probably had a concussion from being hit on the head.
That being said, how fricking disabled was the son that multiple gunshots didn’t wake him up and he slept for another ten hours?
This, her son is a fricking dipshit moronic autist spazatron
>Condon returned fire emptied a 9mm pistol into Christine striking her multiple times in her abdomen, leg, arm and chest >Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911. >Deputies arrived at approximately 12:17 p.m. and provided lifesaving measures.
Goddamn. Saving this for the next time 9gays start spouting their nonsense.
Also funny that her son slept through a gun fight and took 10 hours to wake up and find out something had happened
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9gays always have an excuse. She's 85yr old and took shots the the chest and abdomen. And lived. 85yr old. Do you know any 85yr olds?
>the 9gays you keep making up in your head
Just wait until the next pistol caliber thread. They'll show up in force.
>have an excuse
Where's the excuse?
Handgun projectiles only damage what they contact. They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do. If she survived any kind of gunshot wound for 10 hours untreated as an 85 year old woman it clearly can't have hit anything too important. >Chest
Where in the chest? What did it hit? >Abdomen
Where in the abdomen? What did it hit?
Heres the thing, even as a 9gay myself, i need some serious copium. Im glad i bought a .357 today because im looking at my Glock with a certain… uncertainty
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Im glad i bought a .357 today
You didn't
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stupid monkey homosexual moron gorilla Black person, i literally posted this earlier in the thread
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>anon shitposts on the internet to reassure himself of his purchases
jesus
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Black person what “shitposts” are you even talking about?? Nogunz get the frick out
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>itty bitty baby homosexual doesn't own a .44spl
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is a magnum thread. Limp-wrist splgays keep walking.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is a magnum thread. Limp-wrist splgays keep walking.
This, my snub nosed .357 is more powerful than your 6 inch 44SPL (not to mention my 4 inch 28-2).
Shoot 44MAG like a man you pussy.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is a magnum thread. Limp-wrist splgays keep walking.
>.44spl at 6": 500 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, 1000fps >.357 at 2": 2-300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, 900fps
Is there some kind of weird hipster .357 magnum side effect that makes people stupid?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't own a .44spl
do homosexuals really?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I own a .44 magnum kek. I was gonna get a 9mm but this thread is kinda humbling lol.
Problem with 44 is it's fricking hard to get back on target after a shot and you're gonna waste time with the DA hammer or wienering it for an SA pull. Also you're FRICKED for reloads only 6 rounds PUNK. >inb4 moonclips
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>.357 Mag in a snub
Should've gotten a .327 Mag for less recoil, while still having punch
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah but i wanted to be able to shoot .38SPL as well
>as im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find for this thing
Clip.Draw. Take the pill, new Taurus friend.
https://www.clipdraw.com/product/rv-b-black-s-silver/
Im tempted, especially for only $20, but how would this work if im a lefty? It only mounts onto the right side of the gun
>im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find
Barsony. I have three.
Thanks, will check it out
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can opt for a left-side mount when you go to order it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>calls others gorillas >buys a Taurus assembled by actual gorillas
lmao
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This, her son is a fricking dipshit moronic autist spazatron
So, a /k/ regular
>as im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find for this thing
Clip.Draw. Take the pill, new Taurus friend.
https://www.clipdraw.com/product/rv-b-black-s-silver/
>Condon most likely struck Ms Jenneiahn over the head while she was in bed, investigators found blood on her pillow and bedroom floor >The intruder, who was wearing a black ski mask and military jacket, then handcuffed her to a wooden chair and asked where she kept her valuables. >Condon pointed a gun at her head when she told him she didn't have much to give him >Ms Jenneiahn told Condon she had two safes downstairs before he left her handcuffed to the chair while he searched several rooms for valuables. >At some point he discovered that Christine's son was also in the home and became angry at Christine for not telling him. >Condon is then said to have made numerous threats to kill Ms Jenneiahn. >However, while he was searching the downstairs of the property, the elderly woman was able to drag herself to her bedroom while still handcuffed to the chair. >She retrieved her .357 Magnum from under her pillow before heading back to the living room and hiding it between the armrest and a cushion. of a couch next to where she was seated and waited to see what Condon did next >when the intruder returned to the living room after having rummaged through her home, he again threatened to kill her. >She ultimately made the decision that it was 'now or never' and drew her concealed 357 Magnum and engaged Condon striking him with both her shots, >Condon returned fire emptied a 9mm pistol into Christine striking her multiple times in her abdomen, leg, arm and chest >Condon then went into the adjoining kitchen where he collapsed and died from his wounds >Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911. >Deputies arrived at approximately 12:17 p.m. and provided lifesaving measures.
>is 85 >kills scumbag by means of a double dose of GOD's own caliber >is shot 4 times >left to bleed for 10 hours >is handed a phone by disabled son and contacts EMS herself >survives
EXTREMELY based. Granny is certified as 110% hardcore.
Respec
>Condon returned fire emptied a 9mm pistol into Christine striking her multiple times in her abdomen, leg, arm and chest >Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911. >Deputies arrived at approximately 12:17 p.m. and provided lifesaving measures.
Goddamn. Saving this for the next time 9gays start spouting their nonsense.
Also funny that her son slept through a gun fight and took 10 hours to wake up and find out something had happened
My best bet? The guy was probably using bottom of the barrel 9mm ball ammo, and only got clean shots that missed major vessels and organs
9gays always have an excuse. She's 85yr old and took shots the the chest and abdomen. And lived. 85yr old. Do you know any 85yr olds?
>the 9gays you keep making up in your head
Ahhh, the last bastion of the wrong: Flat Out Fricking denial.
"Nobody eeeeeever claimed 9mm was wunderwaffle"
You're new, you know nothing, goodbye. >captcha 420RIP
Handgun projectiles only damage what they contact. They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do. If she survived any kind of gunshot wound for 10 hours untreated as an 85 year old woman it clearly can't have hit anything too important. >Chest
Where in the chest? What did it hit? >Abdomen
Where in the abdomen? What did it hit?
>They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do.
Did this noguns miss the invention of HOLLOW POINTS?! >Where in the chest? What did it hit?
ANYWHERE, it's 100% vitals zone, that's why body armor struggles to cover it. >Where in the abdomen? What did it hit?
Ah yes the non-lethal abdomen shot truly 9mm sisters we stay winning.
the whole idea of hollow points is to expand, creating a wider wound channel. That wound channel still has to touch something to damage it.
>ANYWHERE
Certainly nowhere that would kill a person within a few hours >Non-lethal
Never said non-lethal, she obviously would've eventually died without medical intervention. But if she was conscious and coordinated after 10 hours there can't have been a significant degree of bloodloss.
Anyhow is this what you do all day? Make strawmen and baitpost?
>Anyhow is this what you do all day? Make strawmen and baitpost?
What would you rather be paid for, back breaking labor? >Certainly nowhere that would kill a person within a few hours
9mm problems, chest shot on granny, no fatality.
They are with a competent caliber like .357, 10mm, or 44spl/mag
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not true. Remember seeing this old interview with two cops from the 80s where one cop shot a knife wielding guy 6 times with his 44 mag service revolver. The cop and his partner can't stop the guy and it wasn't until they put a shot in the back of his head with a J-frame as they're trying to wrestle the guy down that he finally stops. You cannot convince low IQ people about shot placement because they would require understanding of anatomy and the need to practice/git gud... which are things low intelligence people have an aversion to.
That being said, that granny has more courage than 100% of the people turning this into a caliber dispute.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do we know where granny hit the burglar? Obviously it mustve been somewhere critical
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Obviously or the guy wouldn't have died. The majority of /k/ at the moment are noguns transplants and shills and they think guns work like video games.
The reality is the grandma had good aim and she probably punched a hole right through his center.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
She also likely had some big 6" monster revolver which would give her soft recoil and very good expansion if she was using hollows. Out of a bigger revolver .357 is like super 9mm with hollowpoints.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>big 6" monster revolver which would give her soft recoil
This is the answer. Large revolver with powerful caliber that soaks recoil and results in improved accuracy
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>big 6" monster revolver which would give her soft recoil
This is the answer. Large revolver with powerful caliber that soaks recoil and results in improved accuracy
how big do you need to go to make .357 Mag old-lady proof?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
All 60oz of it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have a S&W 586, not as chunky, but is it good enough??
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anything L Frame size is plenty. That's still 44oz or so to absorb old lady destroying recoil.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thanks anon, you're a good guy
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i remember this old source >fails to provide link to source >proceeds to just make some shit up
classic
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Really imbecile? Because I didn't scour YouTube for 20 minutes looking for an old video it means I made it up? If I find it for you and post it will you admit you're a low IQ homosexual who cannot think critically?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If I find it for you and post it will you admit you're a low IQ homosexual who cannot think critically?
You wont so it doesn't matter kiddo
But no I'd then proceed to point out that the recollections and opinions of cops and soldiers about ballistics isn't worth a frick because they aren't trained in the nuances of ballistics
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never claimed the cops discussed ballistics past the part of having shit the guy multiple times with a 44magnum. Unless you're claiming the cops in the 80s weren't aware they were carrying a 38 special instead which would be one hell of an arrogant claim even accounting for the general lack of intelligence among law enforcement
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
see
[...] >The cop and his partner can't stop the guy and it wasn't until they put a shot in the back of his head with a J-frame as they're trying to wrestle the guy down that he finally stops
Here's some critical thinking, kid: What's more likely, that the above is exactly true as they told it, or that two dipshit cops did a bad shoot on a guy, and had to come up with a story as to why they shot a guy in the back of the head? Keep in mind this is prior to bodycams
Use your head before you post and fling feces
and
Even if this is true, a fatal wound is not necessarily an incapacitating wound. People don't stop moving unless you damage the CNS or cause enough blood loss. Granny survived because 9mm pokes tiny holes and doesn't penetrate very deep. And yeah the bad guy probably was using the cheapest Magtech ball ammo or whatever from off the shelf at the local gun store while granny was most likely using hollowpoints, but the fact remains that 357 penetrates deeper.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Critical thinking has nothing to do with pointing out an unsubstantiated claim
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Critical thinking has a lot to do with understanding how ballistics and anatomy work. Otherwise you wouldn't be incredulous towards my claim.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Critical thinking has a lot to do with understanding how ballistics and anatomy work. Otherwise you wouldn't be incredulous towards my claim.
>The cop and his partner can't stop the guy and it wasn't until they put a shot in the back of his head with a J-frame as they're trying to wrestle the guy down that he finally stops
Here's some critical thinking, kid: What's more likely, that the above is exactly true as they told it, or that two dipshit cops did a bad shoot on a guy, and had to come up with a story as to why they shot a guy in the back of the head? Keep in mind this is prior to bodycams
Use your head before you post and fling feces
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Two cops just decided to lacerate themselves with deep stab wounds where one needed hospitalization afterwards on a call where multiple witnesses called in about a schizo freak with a knife
Possible I guess. So since that's possible. I will go with your truth.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Again, without you showing me the source, and since you're resorting to PA's and feces-flinging, I'm inclined to assume you're just making up more components of the story
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
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4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That guy who responded to you with a link isn't the story I saw. It was a live video interview. But that is another story worth listening to.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This one?
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4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even if this is true, a fatal wound is not necessarily an incapacitating wound. People don't stop moving unless you damage the CNS or cause enough blood loss. Granny survived because 9mm pokes tiny holes and doesn't penetrate very deep. And yeah the bad guy probably was using the cheapest Magtech ball ammo or whatever from off the shelf at the local gun store while granny was most likely using hollowpoints, but the fact remains that 357 penetrates deeper.
I said chest is 100% vital zone. Name 1 area of chest that is not vital.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but I can definitely see someone getting shot in the chest and surviving because it wasn't a vital shot. Matter of fact I've seen it many times.
>t.emt
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
EMT as well, this pic doesnt even show many of the major vessels. Grammy was extremely lucky theres no doubt about it. Even if she didnt bleed out, she could have easily died in well under 10 hours from pneumothorax or hemothorax or something
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Agreed. After all it's a news source and we don't have access to the medical reports so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. They could have been grazing shots. What people call "flesh wounds", either way regardless of her age, very lucky.
The lower abdomen like the large and small intestine. In the thorax you can be hit in a lung and not be fatally wounded though it may collapse if not tended to quickly. However in both cases blood loss would kill you faster than oxygen deprivation or sepsis and if no major vein or artery is struck that's gonna take a while. My question is, where the hell did granny hit to drop him so fast?
This is my point about how people on /k/ don't understand anatomy or how ballistics works. You really truly cannot comprehend/imagine how a bullet can drop a man instantly even if it's a chest shot? Really?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The lower abdomen like the large and small intestine. In the thorax you can be hit in a lung and not be fatally wounded though it may collapse if not tended to quickly. However in both cases blood loss would kill you faster than oxygen deprivation or sepsis and if no major vein or artery is struck that's gonna take a while. My question is, where the hell did granny hit to drop him so fast?
>The lower abdomen like the large and small intestine.
Is that in your chest? Good fricking grief. Also Hemothorax and Pneumothorax are fatal because they interfere with the heart beating.
EMT as well, this pic doesnt even show many of the major vessels. Grammy was extremely lucky theres no doubt about it. Even if she didnt bleed out, she could have easily died in well under 10 hours from pneumothorax or hemothorax or something
>He doesn't realize people are 3 dimensional
There's a lot actually when you consider that, also >Trusting a journos understanding of some unnamed third parties understanding of anatomical regions
The absolute fricking state of /k/. Any defensive shooting class should start with anatomy.
Picrelated. Jab your finger into your chest and find the ribcage. Unless you're an insanely fat frick it will be less than half an inch under your skin. Anything on the other side of that ribcage is vitals that you cant live without, packed tightly as all hell. Find your clavicle, it is also just a skin deep. Major veins and arteries go under it to supply your limbs with blood - you know, the place where you need TQ to survive. Well you can't TQ a clavicle. Anything above ribcage and it hits a major bloodvessel that routes blood to your limbs and head, also not TQable.
Wear your front plates, side plates hiked up to your armpits, and a neck protector.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I literally did 4 years of A&P classes moron, that isn't the chest it's the abdominothoracic cavity where the source for some dumb ass reason didn't even delineate thoracic and abdominal cavities(dividing line is the diaphragm). The chest does not refer to either of those, chest is nearly a laymens term defined by what part of body surface you're looking at instead of underlying surfaces. History is full of real world examples of people surviving penetrating chest wounds and surviving
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Uhm achtually
No, that is the chest.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>abdominothoracic cavity
You should've actually tried to graduate the class instead of trying to attend it. Thorax or chest is a thing and an entirely valid term that describes a specific area of torso and does never refer to abdomen in any capacity.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
pneumothorax can go a while if it isn't a tension pneumothorax, where air enters the chest cavity but doesn't escape. pressure can build to the point where the trachea snaps, the opposite lung collapses, or it crushes the heart, whichever happens first.
t. had three pneumothorax incidents as a kid, two of which were tension. first one was regular, but it sat for the better part of eight hours because the middle school nurse didn't think anything of it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The lower abdomen like the large and small intestine. In the thorax you can be hit in a lung and not be fatally wounded though it may collapse if not tended to quickly. However in both cases blood loss would kill you faster than oxygen deprivation or sepsis and if no major vein or artery is struck that's gonna take a while. My question is, where the hell did granny hit to drop him so fast?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He doesn't realize people are 3 dimensional
There's a lot actually when you consider that, also >Trusting a journos understanding of some unnamed third parties understanding of anatomical regions
But i mean even so, its insane that you can hit two critical areas, rich with organs and major vessels, in a small woman (thus these organs are in concentrated in a smaller area) and still not kill her even AFTER 10 hours. I mean surely she mustve bled quite a bit? Most old people are on blood thinners too. Mind blowing
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This, her son is a fricking dipshit moronic autist spazatron
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Heres the thing, even as a 9gay myself, i need some serious copium. Im glad i bought a .357 today because im looking at my Glock with a certain… uncertainty
>Handgun projectiles only damage what they contact. They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do
A myth perpetuated by ballistics gel tests. Flesh is not as elastic as gel. Watch the Paul Harrel .357 test. when you shoot meat instead of gel .357 blows much bigger holes than 9mm.
>At some point he discovered that Christine's son was also in the home and became angry at Christine for not telling him. >Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911.
The frick is wrong with this guy? Even a deaf man would get woken up by that gunfight.
I know this is bait, but it's a moronic argument I see all the time.
4+ people in an enclosed space will rush you down if you have any gun short of a full-auto. You can't put shots on target fast enough to stop that kind of situation.
Whao that Robber is really fricking dense.
Can't find much, just take the L and leave.
In and out ASAP, limits your exposure to hidden dangers (Neighbours might saw you and calked the cops or came over with a shotgun, your victim might resist you, scerwing up and leaving prints or stuff that might ID you)
I tried telling you frickers that 9mm doesnt create an immediete mortal wound. It may take up to 15 minutes for an attacker to bleed out.
Plenty of time for them to retaliate.
Go with 10mm or .300 blkout subsonic.
Drop them where they are with expanding tip ammo.
People don't like to admit this, but 9mm is used by law enforcement specifically because it's quite underpowered. Cops have fluctuated on what calibers they use in their sidearms over the years based on trying to balance the threat of criminals against what police officers can realistically shoot while trying to avoid scrutiny from liberal "human rights" organizations. 357mag was invented because cops were getting into shootouts with heavily-armed Prohibition-era gangsters in automobiles. There was also the whole "reefer madness" thing, and prior to that the fear of large black criminals on drugs like cocaine (which was commercially available in the United States until 1915). Liberals in the 60's or 70's started demonizing anything with "magnum" in the name as being too powerful for police use, because, at the end of the day, a police officer's job is to apprehend a suspect so he can get his day in court. They're supposed to be "officers of the peace," not soldiers. That's the primary reason the Colt 1911 was never widely used by cops. It was recognizable as a military weapon, and cops wanted to maintain the distinction between themselves and the armed forces. 45-caliber weapons were considered by many to be "for war" and inhumane to use against common criminals. The Miami-Dade shootout and other factors prompted the switch to high-capacity autoloaders that were weaker than revolvers, but easier to shoot and reload. By the 00's pretty much all police departments in the country had dropped revolvers from their armories.
For the bullet wounds, it seems like the exact opposite of the attempted murder of Stacy Lim. Some guy followed her home, hit a textbook center mass hit with a .357 magnum at point blank range, she shot him four times with a 9mm, and she lived while he died. >https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/i-knew-i-wasnt-going-to-die-sgt-stacy-lims-story-of-survival-J2ay86axRN55pvP8/
>home from a get-together following a softball game and was tired — she didn’t notice she’d been followed for 30 miles.
A vehicle with five members of the “The Highland Park Crazies” street gang was behind her as she pulled over across the street from her home. As she stopped, a 15-year-old male exited the stalking vehicle and managed to approach unseen behind her
Absolutely abyssmal situational awareness. Must've been a dogshit police
It was LA in 1990. Between the traffic and no doubt being exhausted after a day of police work, I can forgive her dropping her guard for a few seconds and not noticing that someone followed her miles back home. Especially if it's at night.
That's what I meant by the traffic and it happening at night. This happened at night in 1990. What that means is that the standardized sealed-beam headlights were still required, so at night, any car behind you will look almost exactly like any other car behind you, because all you can see are the headlights. Even worse is that almost all cars from 1980-1990 used the rectangular ones. Combine that with the 10 million people living in LA in 1990, it might be a little hard to track the same vehicle behind you for 30 miles, and it might not even raise suspicion that someone might happen to live in your part of town and be driving behind you the whole time. The momentary lapse of situational awareness came when she didn't notice the guy parked behind her and came walking up to her car. But I know where you're coming from. I don't live in a big city anymore and with the unique headlight shapes now, I notice when someone follows me for more than two turns.
Even when using that, does yours actually work well enough to be able to make out details of the car behind you? I still just see headlights, only they're dimmer. But I drive a 23 year-old Chevy, so my mirror probably is just a piece of shit.
>"This case presents an easy analysis of self-defense and justifiable homicide," Bingham County, Idaho, Prosecuting Attorney Ryan Jolley said in a statement released this week, clearing Jenneiahn of any wrongdoing. "It also presents one of the most heroic acts of self-preservation I have heard of."
Why are you making shit up? She was cleared of any wrongdoing AND it happened yesterday… far too early for any charges or claims (which there won't be because she was cleared of wrongdoing)
everybody always mentions caliber but not the bullet type/brand?
Cleetus' 9mm most definitely was FMJ, as cheap metheads use. which is proven by grangram living for 10hrs.
>357 under pillow >Rem 125g JHP at the very least because Shes an nice lady.
>Caliber is almost irrelevant above a certain energy threshold
9mmanlet cope. What causes people to expire from handgun wounds aside from heart/lung/CNS shots is a fatal drop in blood pressure. You achieve this by punching big holes through a person, i.e. entry wounds and exit wounds. That's only possible with big bullets moving really fast. "Overpenetration" is fuddlore and isn't actually a real concern. The purpose of hollowpoints is to increase the diameter of the wound cavity in order to cause more bleeding, not to impede penetration (although this is a secondary effect).
Something I noticed. Pistol rounds can hit someone multiple times and they just keep coming but when someone is hit with a .223 they just flop over dead. What’s up with that?
>Mfw I empty my 9 millimemester into a frail moronic 85-year-old woman and she responds by sending me to the Shadow Realm with God’s Caliber (.357) >As I bleed out on the floor the last physical sound I ever hear is her mentally moronic son shitting himself in bed
>frail moronic
she might be frail, but she's clearly not moronic if she chose the right calibre to defend her livelyhood with and had good shot placement to put down this moron with.
maybe the real capacity was the revolverbros we met along the way
>Thing is, I realized I can't wear it when I'm wearing my shirt tucked in
Valid. I always have a tucked-in undershirt that the revolver goes over, and then an outer layer
the clipdraw works well so far if I'm in a t-shirt or whatever, and for the price it's great. But half the time I'm wearing a tucked-in oxford shirt.
And, all the IWB tuckable holsters I have found in the last 30 minutes are really garish shit with conspicuous black metal belt clips, sometimes with the holster mfg. logo on it, which is a non-starter for me for multiple reasons. There are ones with black nylon straps with large rivets on them which I am not gonna wear with a brown belt because it just looks bad, and it's very obvious what it could be.
Ideally I'd find something with a slim leather strap in the same dark brown color as my most commonly worn belts, OR something with a small and inconspicuous clip that can hook over my pants and hide under my belt.
All the news said was that he had severe brain damage which leads me to believe he was in a bad car wreck at some point in the past or something similar.
Doesnt exist. However you could use a .50AE Desert Eagle. But thats a huge pistol to CC.
Id say 10mm with hollow points. No one is walking away from that if you do your part and land upper center mass.
That was the idea behind .357 SIG but even loaded hot it barely equals standard 357 so most consider it a meme caliber. To match or exceed 357 would be a Glock 20(Ideally a G40 for the 6" barrel length) with 5.5" ported 9x25 barrel. Standard load .357mag shoots 125gr at like 1450 while 9x25 shoots them at 1700. If you use the light 90/100gr bullets in a 6" barrel you can break 2000 easy, Ive seen claims of up to 2400 and being able to penetrate 3A. an Anon here carries a G40 with like a 7" barrel and RMR IWB. 15 round capacity instead of 6/8(INB4 muh capacity). Lets you laugh at .40/.45/.357 enjoyers that punch down on 9mm. Still mogged by chad 44mag unfortunately
my bad I was looking at numbers for a 4" for some reason, seemed lower than I remembered but went with it. Still basically equivalent to .357 in a semi auto like he was asking for.
Zamn!
why do these based saviors of the trailer park always look like this?
9mm sisters, racoons and grannies are embarrassing us...
You can't blame her inability to hit the brain on the 9mm. I've seen someone one shot a rabid one with an air rifle.
357 Magnum was always the correct choice.
outstandingly based.
There was a case near me a few weeks ago where some 80 year old boomer blasted a home invader with a muzzle loader
>yo Ernie, give these homies a volley
? have a nice day troony dork
>my nizzle doesn’t spark his frizzle
Are you a bot or moronic?
idk i laughed
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newbie
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homosexual/Black person
Go back or lurk moar
id advise a rope
>id advise a rope
Yeah clearly a 9mm wouldn't get the job done
this site is flooded with worthless fricking Black folk but here you are larping like a stormgay robot making Black person tier posts like this.
have a nice day
Go back to R*ddit
Fricking homosexual ass wimp
Fricking care-bear ass, b***h breasts Black person
moronic Black person homosexual or a bot, or maybe b8
if so 10/10
holy based
>9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8
>caliber:caliber::car model:engine
you're moronic bro. Now watch yourself argue with me about priuses or something or perhaps even accuse me of driving one and missing my point entirely.
yo anon I've seen your pic before and it's the reason I got a clipdraw for my Charter undercover. Thing is, I realized I can't wear it when I'm wearing my shirt tucked in. now I'm trying to look for tuckable IWB holsters
>Thing is, I realized I can't wear it when I'm wearing my shirt tucked in
Valid. I always have a tucked-in undershirt that the revolver goes over, and then an outer layer
Give em the PURPLE DRANK
>while handcuffed to chair
Holy shit, based granny.
Imagine being named “Condom”
I think I’d kill myself.
9mm sisters, how will we ever recover from this?
Can't
Tale as old as time
.357 is also 9mm.
9x19 is .355
.357 is .357
9x19 maxes out at 35k psi
.357 is up there at 44k psi
9x19 struggles to push a 147gr
.357 launches 200gr with ease
9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8
You know the bore of a 357 is 9mm right?
.346 lands, .355 grooves.
Once the bullet arrives out of the barrel, it's the same size.
Keep moving those goal posts downrange sonny& don't worry about addressing the other ways .357 dominates 9x19
Just stop posting. In no universe is 9mm better than 10mm.
>muh capacity
It doesnt take 20 rounds of 9mm to drop a suspect
>muh recoil
>muh wrists
Cant help that. Other than changing shooting stance to allow the body to absorb the recoil. Not easy to learn but its possible to execute
*supersonic
It doesnt take 20 rounds of 10mm*
Frick im the one thats moronic.
glad you caught on
My point is higher caliber rounds dont require follow up shots. Shot placement is critical. And this case proves it.
9mm sucks.
10mm. .357 .44mag 300meme
All ok
You know that 10mm is just .40 S&W, right anon? It’s like calling yourself 6ft when you’re actually 5’11
>9mm is to .357 what a prius is to a 7.3 v8
The not moronic choice?
The louder and more powerful choice.
>implying a prius is anything but moronic
.357 magnum is 9mm at its full potential. We need to bring back the Coonan 1911s.
YHTGB
Shot placement. Maybe do some drills where you only have 4+1. A revolver forces you to be more decisive with your shots, and without any other information I suspect that is something that played to Granny's advantage.
>overanalyzing
>supposition
>excuses
Classic 9gay cope
Lmao his name is literally condom in Spanish
It was to remind the parents of what they should have used.
That probably means they hated him from the start, treated him like the unwanted son he was and ultimately nudged him down the path in life that led to this.
Start with parents shitty enough to name you condom out of dislike for you from birth and low class enough to do it end up shit person.
Link, gayboy.
9mmgays on suicide watch.
9mm has always been just for range toys, it’s cheap and goes bang, good for a PCC to plunk around with at the range or in the desert or something but I wouldn’t dare using 9mm for personal protection, I’d take .38 special +p, .357, 10mm, 40s&w, and 45ACP ANYDAY over 9mm pea shooters
9mm was designed for the sidearm of the German infantry back at the turn of the century Victorian Era when the average adult male height was no more than 5 and a half feet, and the average weight was 140 lbs. A lot of adult men today are up to a foot taller and nearly double the weight.
I prefer 45 colt and 44mag and 41 mag.
covers home defense and stops black bears and cougers.
38spl does all that.
Come back later! Batn'!
Literally just walked out of the store with a Taurus 605. Feels good
Based. What barrel length
2 inch or whatever it is. Im the dude from the thread a few days ago telling yall to talk me out of it. Well, you guys didnt do a great job of it so here i am lmao
Nah im kidding though i cant wait to shoot it. Will make a nice lil brother to my Highway Patrolman
Hell yeah brother. If I could do it again I'd get the stainless finish on my 856. Glad we talked you into it; now hopefully I can talk you into putting a ClipDraw on it…
Its honestly pretty nice for the money. The cylinder could spin a little smoother and the ejector rod could be a little less gritty but overall the finish is uniform and has no blemishes that i can see. Cant complain.
And i very well might, as im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find for this thing
Yeah i mean im sure itll be fine but im definitely gonna shoot it to be sure. Cant wait. That said, everything ive heard about Taurus revolvers (not pistols) from both people IRL and on here has been overwhelmingly positive. So im not terribly worried.
>4 rounds
>10 hours
>2 critical hits (abdomen and chest)
How the FRICK did this young lady survive??
9MM sisters please i need high flow copium STAT!!!
My best bet? The guy was probably using bottom of the barrel 9mm ball ammo, and only got clean shots that missed major vessels and organs
But i mean even so, its insane that you can hit two critical areas, rich with organs and major vessels, in a small woman (thus these organs are in concentrated in a smaller area) and still not kill her even AFTER 10 hours. I mean surely she mustve bled quite a bit? Most old people are on blood thinners too. Mind blowing
This, her son is a fricking dipshit moronic autist spazatron
Heres the thing, even as a 9gay myself, i need some serious copium. Im glad i bought a .357 today because im looking at my Glock with a certain… uncertainty
>Im glad i bought a .357 today
You didn't
Stupid monkey homosexual moron gorilla Black person, i literally posted this earlier in the thread
>anon shitposts on the internet to reassure himself of his purchases
jesus
Black person what “shitposts” are you even talking about?? Nogunz get the frick out
>itty bitty baby homosexual doesn't own a .44spl
This is a magnum thread. Limp-wrist splgays keep walking.
This, my snub nosed .357 is more powerful than your 6 inch 44SPL (not to mention my 4 inch 28-2).
Shoot 44MAG like a man you pussy.
>.44spl at 6": 500 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, 1000fps
>.357 at 2": 2-300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, 900fps
Is there some kind of weird hipster .357 magnum side effect that makes people stupid?
>he doesn't own a .44spl
do homosexuals really?
I own a .44 magnum kek. I was gonna get a 9mm but this thread is kinda humbling lol.
Problem with 44 is it's fricking hard to get back on target after a shot and you're gonna waste time with the DA hammer or wienering it for an SA pull. Also you're FRICKED for reloads only 6 rounds PUNK.
>inb4 moonclips
>.357 Mag in a snub
Should've gotten a .327 Mag for less recoil, while still having punch
Yeah but i wanted to be able to shoot .38SPL as well
Im tempted, especially for only $20, but how would this work if im a lefty? It only mounts onto the right side of the gun
Thanks, will check it out
You can opt for a left-side mount when you go to order it
>calls others gorillas
>buys a Taurus assembled by actual gorillas
lmao
>This, her son is a fricking dipshit moronic autist spazatron
So, a /k/ regular
>im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find
Barsony. I have three.
>as im sure left handed holsters are gonna be a b***h to find for this thing
Clip.Draw. Take the pill, new Taurus friend.
https://www.clipdraw.com/product/rv-b-black-s-silver/
definitely shoot it before you bet your life on it
every Taurus handgun I've ever seen or handled in person has been a lemon
NTA but I've had the exact opposite experience. 856 I bought last summer is by far the most reliable handgun I have. Plenty accurate too
>inb4 turns out it was loaded with .38
38spc ain't some nuclear wrist breaker, but it's still no joke.
>Condon most likely struck Ms Jenneiahn over the head while she was in bed, investigators found blood on her pillow and bedroom floor
>The intruder, who was wearing a black ski mask and military jacket, then handcuffed her to a wooden chair and asked where she kept her valuables.
>Condon pointed a gun at her head when she told him she didn't have much to give him
>Ms Jenneiahn told Condon she had two safes downstairs before he left her handcuffed to the chair while he searched several rooms for valuables.
>At some point he discovered that Christine's son was also in the home and became angry at Christine for not telling him.
>Condon is then said to have made numerous threats to kill Ms Jenneiahn.
>However, while he was searching the downstairs of the property, the elderly woman was able to drag herself to her bedroom while still handcuffed to the chair.
>She retrieved her .357 Magnum from under her pillow before heading back to the living room and hiding it between the armrest and a cushion. of a couch next to where she was seated and waited to see what Condon did next
>when the intruder returned to the living room after having rummaged through her home, he again threatened to kill her.
>She ultimately made the decision that it was 'now or never' and drew her concealed 357 Magnum and engaged Condon striking him with both her shots,
>Condon returned fire emptied a 9mm pistol into Christine striking her multiple times in her abdomen, leg, arm and chest
>Condon then went into the adjoining kitchen where he collapsed and died from his wounds
>Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911.
>Deputies arrived at approximately 12:17 p.m. and provided lifesaving measures.
Holy fricking shit.
> trusting the news
>is 85
>kills scumbag by means of a double dose of GOD's own caliber
>is shot 4 times
>left to bleed for 10 hours
>is handed a phone by disabled son and contacts EMS herself
>survives
EXTREMELY based. Granny is certified as 110% hardcore.
Respec
You forgot that she probably had a concussion from being hit on the head.
That being said, how fricking disabled was the son that multiple gunshots didn’t wake him up and he slept for another ten hours?
>That being said, how fricking disabled was the son that multiple gunshots didn’t wake him up and he slept for another ten hours?
Could be deaf
9mm didn't even kill an 85y/o woman who had 10 hours to bleed out
>Condon returned fire emptied a 9mm pistol into Christine striking her multiple times in her abdomen, leg, arm and chest
>Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911.
>Deputies arrived at approximately 12:17 p.m. and provided lifesaving measures.
Goddamn. Saving this for the next time 9gays start spouting their nonsense.
Also funny that her son slept through a gun fight and took 10 hours to wake up and find out something had happened
9gays always have an excuse. She's 85yr old and took shots the the chest and abdomen. And lived. 85yr old. Do you know any 85yr olds?
Even if you're shitposting you're more insufferable than the 9gays you keep making up in your head
>the 9gays you keep making up in your head
Just wait until the next pistol caliber thread. They'll show up in force.
Yeah, in your head
you are obviously a tourist and should leave
>the 9gays you keep making up in your head
Ahhh, the last bastion of the wrong: Flat Out Fricking denial.
"Nobody eeeeeever claimed 9mm was wunderwaffle"
You're new, you know nothing, goodbye.
>captcha 420RIP
>have an excuse
Where's the excuse?
Handgun projectiles only damage what they contact. They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do. If she survived any kind of gunshot wound for 10 hours untreated as an 85 year old woman it clearly can't have hit anything too important.
>Chest
Where in the chest? What did it hit?
>Abdomen
Where in the abdomen? What did it hit?
>They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do.
Did this noguns miss the invention of HOLLOW POINTS?!
>Where in the chest? What did it hit?
ANYWHERE, it's 100% vitals zone, that's why body armor struggles to cover it.
>Where in the abdomen? What did it hit?
Ah yes the non-lethal abdomen shot truly 9mm sisters we stay winning.
the whole idea of hollow points is to expand, creating a wider wound channel. That wound channel still has to touch something to damage it.
>ANYWHERE
Certainly nowhere that would kill a person within a few hours
>Non-lethal
Never said non-lethal, she obviously would've eventually died without medical intervention. But if she was conscious and coordinated after 10 hours there can't have been a significant degree of bloodloss.
Anyhow is this what you do all day? Make strawmen and baitpost?
>Anyhow is this what you do all day? Make strawmen and baitpost?
What would you rather be paid for, back breaking labor?
>Certainly nowhere that would kill a person within a few hours
9mm problems, chest shot on granny, no fatality.
>He thinks the chest and abdomen are "100% vitals zone"
Lol, lmao even
They are with a competent caliber like .357, 10mm, or 44spl/mag
Not true. Remember seeing this old interview with two cops from the 80s where one cop shot a knife wielding guy 6 times with his 44 mag service revolver. The cop and his partner can't stop the guy and it wasn't until they put a shot in the back of his head with a J-frame as they're trying to wrestle the guy down that he finally stops. You cannot convince low IQ people about shot placement because they would require understanding of anatomy and the need to practice/git gud... which are things low intelligence people have an aversion to.
That being said, that granny has more courage than 100% of the people turning this into a caliber dispute.
Do we know where granny hit the burglar? Obviously it mustve been somewhere critical
Obviously or the guy wouldn't have died. The majority of /k/ at the moment are noguns transplants and shills and they think guns work like video games.
>357 mag = 80damage
>9mm = 20damage
>That's why granny won!!!
The reality is the grandma had good aim and she probably punched a hole right through his center.
She also likely had some big 6" monster revolver which would give her soft recoil and very good expansion if she was using hollows. Out of a bigger revolver .357 is like super 9mm with hollowpoints.
>big 6" monster revolver which would give her soft recoil
This is the answer. Large revolver with powerful caliber that soaks recoil and results in improved accuracy
how big do you need to go to make .357 Mag old-lady proof?
All 60oz of it.
I have a S&W 586, not as chunky, but is it good enough??
Anything L Frame size is plenty. That's still 44oz or so to absorb old lady destroying recoil.
Thanks anon, you're a good guy
>i remember this old source
>fails to provide link to source
>proceeds to just make some shit up
classic
Really imbecile? Because I didn't scour YouTube for 20 minutes looking for an old video it means I made it up? If I find it for you and post it will you admit you're a low IQ homosexual who cannot think critically?
>If I find it for you and post it will you admit you're a low IQ homosexual who cannot think critically?
You wont so it doesn't matter kiddo
But no I'd then proceed to point out that the recollections and opinions of cops and soldiers about ballistics isn't worth a frick because they aren't trained in the nuances of ballistics
I never claimed the cops discussed ballistics past the part of having shit the guy multiple times with a 44magnum. Unless you're claiming the cops in the 80s weren't aware they were carrying a 38 special instead which would be one hell of an arrogant claim even accounting for the general lack of intelligence among law enforcement
see
and
Critical thinking has nothing to do with pointing out an unsubstantiated claim
Critical thinking has a lot to do with understanding how ballistics and anatomy work. Otherwise you wouldn't be incredulous towards my claim.
>The cop and his partner can't stop the guy and it wasn't until they put a shot in the back of his head with a J-frame as they're trying to wrestle the guy down that he finally stops
Here's some critical thinking, kid: What's more likely, that the above is exactly true as they told it, or that two dipshit cops did a bad shoot on a guy, and had to come up with a story as to why they shot a guy in the back of the head? Keep in mind this is prior to bodycams
Use your head before you post and fling feces
>Two cops just decided to lacerate themselves with deep stab wounds where one needed hospitalization afterwards on a call where multiple witnesses called in about a schizo freak with a knife
Possible I guess. So since that's possible. I will go with your truth.
Again, without you showing me the source, and since you're resorting to PA's and feces-flinging, I'm inclined to assume you're just making up more components of the story
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That guy who responded to you with a link isn't the story I saw. It was a live video interview. But that is another story worth listening to.
This one?
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Even if this is true, a fatal wound is not necessarily an incapacitating wound. People don't stop moving unless you damage the CNS or cause enough blood loss. Granny survived because 9mm pokes tiny holes and doesn't penetrate very deep. And yeah the bad guy probably was using the cheapest Magtech ball ammo or whatever from off the shelf at the local gun store while granny was most likely using hollowpoints, but the fact remains that 357 penetrates deeper.
I said chest is 100% vital zone. Name 1 area of chest that is not vital.
Not him but I can definitely see someone getting shot in the chest and surviving because it wasn't a vital shot. Matter of fact I've seen it many times.
>t.emt
EMT as well, this pic doesnt even show many of the major vessels. Grammy was extremely lucky theres no doubt about it. Even if she didnt bleed out, she could have easily died in well under 10 hours from pneumothorax or hemothorax or something
Agreed. After all it's a news source and we don't have access to the medical reports so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. They could have been grazing shots. What people call "flesh wounds", either way regardless of her age, very lucky.
This is my point about how people on /k/ don't understand anatomy or how ballistics works. You really truly cannot comprehend/imagine how a bullet can drop a man instantly even if it's a chest shot? Really?
>The lower abdomen like the large and small intestine.
Is that in your chest? Good fricking grief. Also Hemothorax and Pneumothorax are fatal because they interfere with the heart beating.
The absolute fricking state of /k/. Any defensive shooting class should start with anatomy.
Picrelated. Jab your finger into your chest and find the ribcage. Unless you're an insanely fat frick it will be less than half an inch under your skin. Anything on the other side of that ribcage is vitals that you cant live without, packed tightly as all hell. Find your clavicle, it is also just a skin deep. Major veins and arteries go under it to supply your limbs with blood - you know, the place where you need TQ to survive. Well you can't TQ a clavicle. Anything above ribcage and it hits a major bloodvessel that routes blood to your limbs and head, also not TQable.
Wear your front plates, side plates hiked up to your armpits, and a neck protector.
I literally did 4 years of A&P classes moron, that isn't the chest it's the abdominothoracic cavity where the source for some dumb ass reason didn't even delineate thoracic and abdominal cavities(dividing line is the diaphragm). The chest does not refer to either of those, chest is nearly a laymens term defined by what part of body surface you're looking at instead of underlying surfaces. History is full of real world examples of people surviving penetrating chest wounds and surviving
>Uhm achtually
No, that is the chest.
>abdominothoracic cavity
You should've actually tried to graduate the class instead of trying to attend it. Thorax or chest is a thing and an entirely valid term that describes a specific area of torso and does never refer to abdomen in any capacity.
pneumothorax can go a while if it isn't a tension pneumothorax, where air enters the chest cavity but doesn't escape. pressure can build to the point where the trachea snaps, the opposite lung collapses, or it crushes the heart, whichever happens first.
t. had three pneumothorax incidents as a kid, two of which were tension. first one was regular, but it sat for the better part of eight hours because the middle school nurse didn't think anything of it
The lower abdomen like the large and small intestine. In the thorax you can be hit in a lung and not be fatally wounded though it may collapse if not tended to quickly. However in both cases blood loss would kill you faster than oxygen deprivation or sepsis and if no major vein or artery is struck that's gonna take a while. My question is, where the hell did granny hit to drop him so fast?
>He doesn't realize people are 3 dimensional
There's a lot actually when you consider that, also
>Trusting a journos understanding of some unnamed third parties understanding of anatomical regions
Case in point
this is sad anon
>Handgun projectiles only damage what they contact. They don't create the kind of dynamic wound cavities rifle rounds do
A myth perpetuated by ballistics gel tests. Flesh is not as elastic as gel. Watch the Paul Harrel .357 test. when you shoot meat instead of gel .357 blows much bigger holes than 9mm.
of course .357 is going to blow bigger holes in a pile of grocery products, it has more energy
Exactly. Ergo it'll also blow bigger holes in a human body.
>of course .357 is better by this measurable metric
>bb-but 9mm is still better
Classic
Wait, are you saying people aren't made out of ballistic gel? I don't believe it.
Cue someone misunderstanding the purpose of ballistics gel in 3…2…1…
Anon, she's 85. She'll probably not recover, even if she has survived. She's now disabled. This is a sad story.
She's a harbor chick!
Sounds like a drill sergeant's grandmother if all those stupid cadences were to be believed.
God was truly on her side
>At some point he discovered that Christine's son was also in the home and became angry at Christine for not telling him.
>Jenneiahn fell to the floor while still handcuffed, and was there for about 10 hours before her son found her and gave her a phone to call 911.
The frick is wrong with this guy? Even a deaf man would get woken up by that gunfight.
>The frick is wrong with this guy?
Literally a moron.
She 87'd his ass
Some people are just fricking impossible to kill.
Good old bleed-out. I was kinda hoping she disabled him with the first shot, then executed him while he screamed for mercy.
Uhm, but what if there were 7 attackers?
Bet you don't feel so smart now, revolverinos!
if you have that many attack, you need to move.
I know this is bait, but it's a moronic argument I see all the time.
4+ people in an enclosed space will rush you down if you have any gun short of a full-auto. You can't put shots on target fast enough to stop that kind of situation.
9mm gays on suicide watch.
Whao that Robber is really fricking dense.
Can't find much, just take the L and leave.
In and out ASAP, limits your exposure to hidden dangers (Neighbours might saw you and calked the cops or came over with a shotgun, your victim might resist you, scerwing up and leaving prints or stuff that might ID you)
Underrated
I usually hate the post-feels mspaint faces as they are always used as shitty projective avatars, but good one.
Speak of the 9gays and they shall appear
Why not .357 Sig?
I tried telling you frickers that 9mm doesnt create an immediete mortal wound. It may take up to 15 minutes for an attacker to bleed out.
Plenty of time for them to retaliate.
Go with 10mm or .300 blkout subsonic.
Drop them where they are with expanding tip ammo.
People don't like to admit this, but 9mm is used by law enforcement specifically because it's quite underpowered. Cops have fluctuated on what calibers they use in their sidearms over the years based on trying to balance the threat of criminals against what police officers can realistically shoot while trying to avoid scrutiny from liberal "human rights" organizations. 357mag was invented because cops were getting into shootouts with heavily-armed Prohibition-era gangsters in automobiles. There was also the whole "reefer madness" thing, and prior to that the fear of large black criminals on drugs like cocaine (which was commercially available in the United States until 1915). Liberals in the 60's or 70's started demonizing anything with "magnum" in the name as being too powerful for police use, because, at the end of the day, a police officer's job is to apprehend a suspect so he can get his day in court. They're supposed to be "officers of the peace," not soldiers. That's the primary reason the Colt 1911 was never widely used by cops. It was recognizable as a military weapon, and cops wanted to maintain the distinction between themselves and the armed forces. 45-caliber weapons were considered by many to be "for war" and inhumane to use against common criminals. The Miami-Dade shootout and other factors prompted the switch to high-capacity autoloaders that were weaker than revolvers, but easier to shoot and reload. By the 00's pretty much all police departments in the country had dropped revolvers from their armories.
.308 Win is the bare minimum to kill any human
>.308
mogged by 45acp for terminal ballistics
Wouldn't have happened with a .40 S&W
status: boomer blasted
>10mm be like
>38spl+P.webm
357 is the main slug!! And my homieh bggie got an itchy one!!
.357 is the good 9mm and granny had good shot placement probably.
Ya see sonny...ya need a round that can stop a man...not a 9mm made for plinkin' hehe
I've never seen anyone walk away from a 20x102mm. Never seen anyone in one piece after either.
Let me guess, you need more?
Imagine the muzzle flash and low energy.
Is that ammo gay still going around sucking off 357 without even having one?
Granny represents her Boomer generation well. This is now Boomer vs Zoomer thread.
For the bullet wounds, it seems like the exact opposite of the attempted murder of Stacy Lim. Some guy followed her home, hit a textbook center mass hit with a .357 magnum at point blank range, she shot him four times with a 9mm, and she lived while he died.
>https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/i-knew-i-wasnt-going-to-die-sgt-stacy-lims-story-of-survival-J2ay86axRN55pvP8/
>home from a get-together following a softball game and was tired — she didn’t notice she’d been followed for 30 miles.
A vehicle with five members of the “The Highland Park Crazies” street gang was behind her as she pulled over across the street from her home. As she stopped, a 15-year-old male exited the stalking vehicle and managed to approach unseen behind her
Absolutely abyssmal situational awareness. Must've been a dogshit police
It was LA in 1990. Between the traffic and no doubt being exhausted after a day of police work, I can forgive her dropping her guard for a few seconds and not noticing that someone followed her miles back home. Especially if it's at night.
>dropping her guard for a few seconds
For 30 miles
That's what I meant by the traffic and it happening at night. This happened at night in 1990. What that means is that the standardized sealed-beam headlights were still required, so at night, any car behind you will look almost exactly like any other car behind you, because all you can see are the headlights. Even worse is that almost all cars from 1980-1990 used the rectangular ones. Combine that with the 10 million people living in LA in 1990, it might be a little hard to track the same vehicle behind you for 30 miles, and it might not even raise suspicion that someone might happen to live in your part of town and be driving behind you the whole time. The momentary lapse of situational awareness came when she didn't notice the guy parked behind her and came walking up to her car. But I know where you're coming from. I don't live in a big city anymore and with the unique headlight shapes now, I notice when someone follows me for more than two turns.
You have no idea what picrel is for, do you?
Even when using that, does yours actually work well enough to be able to make out details of the car behind you? I still just see headlights, only they're dimmer. But I drive a 23 year-old Chevy, so my mirror probably is just a piece of shit.
Yes. You might have an astigmatism, anon
is this a bot or something?
You'll never know, fleshoid
Left hand: high capacity pop gun
Right hand: high power boom gun
Issue solved and moved on
And they dragged her into court all the same for their $$$$$$$$$$$$s. All laywers and judiciary are parasitical vermin
>"This case presents an easy analysis of self-defense and justifiable homicide," Bingham County, Idaho, Prosecuting Attorney Ryan Jolley said in a statement released this week, clearing Jenneiahn of any wrongdoing. "It also presents one of the most heroic acts of self-preservation I have heard of."
Why are you making shit up? She was cleared of any wrongdoing AND it happened yesterday… far too early for any charges or claims (which there won't be because she was cleared of wrongdoing)
everybody always mentions caliber but not the bullet type/brand?
Cleetus' 9mm most definitely was FMJ, as cheap metheads use. which is proven by grangram living for 10hrs.
>357 under pillow
>Rem 125g JHP at the very least because Shes an nice lady.
This
Bullet construction is second only to shot placement. Caliber is almost irrelevant above a certain energy threshold
>Caliber is almost irrelevant above a certain energy threshold
9mmanlet cope. What causes people to expire from handgun wounds aside from heart/lung/CNS shots is a fatal drop in blood pressure. You achieve this by punching big holes through a person, i.e. entry wounds and exit wounds. That's only possible with big bullets moving really fast. "Overpenetration" is fuddlore and isn't actually a real concern. The purpose of hollowpoints is to increase the diameter of the wound cavity in order to cause more bleeding, not to impede penetration (although this is a secondary effect).
>9mmanlet cope
Don't ever insult me like that again. I don't own a 9mm.
Something I noticed. Pistol rounds can hit someone multiple times and they just keep coming but when someone is hit with a .223 they just flop over dead. What’s up with that?
>t.
Both those bullets have the same diameter.
Prove me wrong.
Not the same energy or momentum, not even close
Agreed
But they are the same diameter, correct?
Incorrect. One is .355, the other is .357
Ah, so that extra .002 is what makes them so deadly
No it's the extra 30+ grains of projectile weight, the extra 200+ fps of velocity, the extra 200+ ft/bs of energy. You semantic frick
Both go down the same size barrel.
ZAMN THAT GRANNY GUSHING!!@!!
>Mfw I empty my 9 millimemester into a frail moronic 85-year-old woman and she responds by sending me to the Shadow Realm with God’s Caliber (.357)
>As I bleed out on the floor the last physical sound I ever hear is her mentally moronic son shitting himself in bed
Almost a shame he died, would have been hilarious hearing about how much he's mocked in prison.
>frail moronic
she might be frail, but she's clearly not moronic if she chose the right calibre to defend her livelyhood with and had good shot placement to put down this moron with.
kek
maybe the real capacity was the revolverbros we met along the way
the clipdraw works well so far if I'm in a t-shirt or whatever, and for the price it's great. But half the time I'm wearing a tucked-in oxford shirt.
And, all the IWB tuckable holsters I have found in the last 30 minutes are really garish shit with conspicuous black metal belt clips, sometimes with the holster mfg. logo on it, which is a non-starter for me for multiple reasons. There are ones with black nylon straps with large rivets on them which I am not gonna wear with a brown belt because it just looks bad, and it's very obvious what it could be.
Ideally I'd find something with a slim leather strap in the same dark brown color as my most commonly worn belts, OR something with a small and inconspicuous clip that can hook over my pants and hide under my belt.
Well, friend, let me shill you another one of my favorite holster brands:
https://www.wrightleatherworks.com/
They'll custom fit your gun if they don't already have a mould of it
these look pretty good, thanks. Although given that my gun was like $250 it'll be hard to pay half as much again for the holster.
>gotta pay same for the optic as you do for the rifle
BUT MUH CAPACITY
>while handcuffed to chair
metal granny
is she gonna make it?
did we ever find out what was wrong with her son that he couldn't call 911 himself?
All the news said was that he had severe brain damage which leads me to believe he was in a bad car wreck at some point in the past or something similar.
> All the news said was that he had severe brain damage
Oh. So he was a Glock fanboy
death is a psyop to keep you shackled to the material realm
Granny lost and Trudeau was right; if you kill your enemies, they win
Give me a good .357mag semi auto pistol or the equivalent. I want to shoot the thief fast and do a quick reload for the next one
No such thing
Doesnt exist. However you could use a .50AE Desert Eagle. But thats a huge pistol to CC.
Id say 10mm with hollow points. No one is walking away from that if you do your part and land upper center mass.
Use a .45ACP, it seems to have some "magical" manstopping abilities.
That was the idea behind .357 SIG but even loaded hot it barely equals standard 357 so most consider it a meme caliber. To match or exceed 357 would be a Glock 20(Ideally a G40 for the 6" barrel length) with 5.5" ported 9x25 barrel. Standard load .357mag shoots 125gr at like 1450 while 9x25 shoots them at 1700. If you use the light 90/100gr bullets in a 6" barrel you can break 2000 easy, Ive seen claims of up to 2400 and being able to penetrate 3A. an Anon here carries a G40 with like a 7" barrel and RMR IWB. 15 round capacity instead of 6/8(INB4 muh capacity). Lets you laugh at .40/.45/.357 enjoyers that punch down on 9mm. Still mogged by chad 44mag unfortunately
125gr 357 Mag at 1700fps is normal in a 6" barrel.
my bad I was looking at numbers for a 4" for some reason, seemed lower than I remembered but went with it. Still basically equivalent to .357 in a semi auto like he was asking for.
Stopan powah wins again Sonny. When will this new generation ever learn?
>do you feel lucky, punk!?
forgot pic
>she killed a fatty that looks like most of /k/
Is it true that fat "people" making whale noises when they die?
I can no differentiate which of you are actually moronic and think handgun chamberings matter and those just baiting.
I treat it like a game, if and when moronic opinions are reinforced as genuine I score a point
Why does she have a beard?
The /k/ube protects.
Ave Nex Alea.