>good cheek weld for optic for long range shots
>red dot elevated for nods and for quick close range quick acquisition
This is the best optics setup that currently exists. Flip magnifiers, canted red dots, LVPOs, and ELCANs are all garbage
>good cheek weld for optic for long range shots
ACOG stands for Always Cringe, On God
No Cap, Actually Stupid
this setup has existed since 2005 dude. you ever notice how it died the moment lpvos came onto the scene?
I can tell you don't have any experience with it yourself, because you posted a stock image
pic related is the earliest example on an acog. I myself have used a piggybacked t1 on a razor 1-6x for probably a year now, and I'm sick of it
>but muh acog is better than lpvo!
its a bit lighter sure. but then you get the pleasure of dealing with finicky fiber optic and tritium ilum. switch to the led version, and the weight difference is almost nil.
optic weight is not a factor in the useability of a rifle, but optic bulk sure is. this is why 2-10s or 3-15s are total dogshit to use on a carbine, and why I quickly ditched a 2-10 after trying one out. the magnification is also overkill, all that really matters is a good reticle and good clarity
>fov and glass clarity
not substantially better IN ACTUAL USE than a quality jap/american/german lpvo. you can dial down an lpvo to 2-3x to scan for targets, and get way better results than an acog - I use mine this way. nobody mentions this for some reason during their acog shilling
In regard to piggyback dots, theyre gay and shit for a carbine. for a 308/6.5 semi where you need that backup close range capability, and maybe the rare instance of passive aiming? fine. but never on a rifle that is going to be used regularly at <100 yards.
The issue isn't the height over bore itself, its the absolute shitshow that aiming around cover/barriers becomes with an optic thats 4.5"+ above the bore. you have to expose so much of your body to actually clear your cover its ridiculous - run one drill on a vtac with a piggyback optic, and you'll come to the same conclusion. not to mention the speed you lose having to worry about this shit
The actual perfect carbine optic is a quality lpvo and an offset red dot. on a shorter gun, a red dot and a magnifier. and no goddamn mounts that bring your optics above 1.93"ish ffs
Have fun using nods with your LPVO...
have fun using nods with an acog, or a piggyback dot. unless you have a 10k set of duals, passive aiming is damn near unuseable - even then, its mostly only viable if you're standing totally still
"passive aiming" is such a meme. use a clip on thermal unit if you want real passive aiming
>use thermals for passive
Holy shit why even comment on something you don’t understand
tfw when no-nods
>its a bit lighter sure
Significantly lighter than LPVOs with similar durability and glass quality
>optic weight is not a factor in the useability of a rifle
Lmao
>not substantially better IN ACTUAL USE than a quality jap/american/german lpvo
It is significantly better, both in FOV and inherently better optical qualities due to the prism design. Wtf does ACTUAL USE even mean homie.
>bro LPVO is so much better for scanning at 3x than an ACOG at 4x
I doubt that.
>muh height over bore
VTAC barriers and muh speed are gamer moron considerations, and both of those are training issues anyway.
>unironically advocating for an offset redot
Ok.
the average lpvo sits at 20oz + a 7oz mount vs. ta31, 15oz with mount (ta02 is just about 20oz)
so we have a 3/4-1/2 pound weight savings, thats barely anythign when its balanced righ at the center of the rifle. front heaviness kills useability, not just overall weight. you'd know this if you'd used these kinds of setups before
>muh insane acog clarity and fov!!!
dude, i've shot with elcans, acogs, and high end lpvos. you are not making shots with an acog that you couldn't make with an lpvo. any jap/german glass lpvo will have a higher fov on x2-x3, while also having greater pid capabiltiy on x6-x8-x10. do I have to post the fricking spec sheets for you? you clearly haven't used them yourself
>downplaying height over bore
shoot in any other position besides standing straight up, and it becomes awful. combat doesn't occur with two guys standing up in a field and taking potshots at each other, its everyone trying to stay as tight to cover as they possibly can. go into a shoothouse and see how fun it is to try and peak around a corner with your giraffe neck sticking half a foot around cover, jfc
>offset bad
infinitely more proven and widely used, sorry moron. the only thing piggyback optics get used for in reality is the rare instance of passive aim, because they're dogshit at anything else
oh give me a break, I meant using a thermal clip on with your daytime optic and your nods flipped up
Which is a completely different thing and fills a totally different role. Post your thermals and NODs because you don’t know what you are talking about.
Optical qualities are 0 since a lpvo can be adjusted to look like a crisp 4k tv and the cog will forever show a staticky starburst frick reticle that is unfixable. You idiot.
Ok boomer
On some setups lpvos are fine but they still have issues with fov, true 1x, fisheye, edge distortion, a red dot bright reticle, durability, weight, ect. Prisms are not perfect either but for most scenarios I’m taking my rifle with an elcan over my rifle with my atacr. For me the biggest drawback to the atacr is the fov and weight
I just use an offset dot, its the best compromise there is right now. again weight is barely a factor here, you are gaining a lot of capabiltiy for that small price
passive is complete ass, and it becomes almost completely useless in no light conditions. thermal and active are the only two reliable ways to shoot at night, rurally and urban respectively
Still waiting on you to post your NODs. Passive aiming works just fine in any condition that doesn’t require an IR illum. Using a rifle mounted thermal is a completely different use case and is not interchangeable with simple red dot passive through NODs
>regular sub 100yd use
>lpvo and offset dot best
Look at this no nods moron and laugh
you didn't read my whole post moron, good response
Look at these homosexual larpers sperging
>MUHHHHH NODDDDSSSSS
shooting with nods sucks, period. Shut the frick up about this bullshit, nobody cares that you got an inferiority complex from being a war dodger. Buying bullshit gear on FB and larping around doesn’t make you a SME on anything besides textbook homosexualry.
ACOGs win every single time and no amount of crying will ever change that.
>inferiority complex from being a war dodger
Never thought of /k/ like this before but it explains everything.
Most of the frickers on here are noguns. "War dodging" (as if there's a fricking draft) has little to do with anything.
I think it has a lot to do with it. A lot of /k/ is younger millennials/older zoomers who could have joined the military in the GWOT and decided to not.
nah you had to be early early millenial or straight gen x to get to do the fun shit. half a dozen of my buddies joined navy/army/air force 2010-2012 and didn't do jack shit.
And so what? We're not talking about the hasserveds here. You can see the insecurity leaking out of some larpers like an anime aura.
0302 from 2007-2013. I was larping as a badass then, I larp as a hunter now, when I train I larp, when I meet with my GB friends they call me a larper, it's all a larp dude. pretty much the only thing that's not a larp is trying to be a good man and a good father.
I like anime and I like acogs, I want nods and a new carry pistol but I have too much of a hardon for berettas so I have to have a 4.5" barrel in my pants.
Stop sperging up every thread you're in with this inane bullshit. Nobody cares.
This is my first post in over a month. Maybe there's a shared opinion once in awhile and you don't have to pretend to be mad about things to communicate with people. gets the noggin joggin doesn't it.
Cope and seethe, I did six years as an infantryman and bought nods not long after getting out
>you ever notice how it died the moment lpvos came onto the scene?
Nope, I haven't noticed that.
>I can tell you don't have any experience with it yourself, because you posted a stock image
I'm not OP but I've never found an LPVO I think is truly good.
>you can dial down an lpvo to 2-3x to scan for targets, and get way better results than an acog
No you can't, thanks to LPVO tiny FOV. ACOG has a huge advantage for this.
>The issue isn't the height over bore itself, its the absolute shitshow that aiming around cover/barriers becomes with an optic thats 4.5"+ above the bore. you have to expose so much of your body to actually clear your cover
Clown take.
>weight
Average LPVO mounted is ~30oz. Going to be a full two pounds by the time you have an offset or piggyback red dot Some more. Very few less. Saving nearly a full pound does matter.
>thats barely anythign when its balanced righ at the center of the rifle.
Absolutely completely wrong.
>piggyback vs offset
personal preference I don't care to argue about
>any jap/german glass lpvo will have a higher fov on x2-x3
2x maybe, 3x no, and you're arguing "uhhh I have half the magnification it's just asgood!" It's not.
>you ever notice how it died the moment lpvos came onto the scene?
No, not really. You know LPVOs have existed as long as the ACOG, right? Theres pics of guys in Panama using them. The units that were piggybacking red dots on ACOGs 15 years ago largely still are, including an entire branch.
you have to be 18 to post here, kid. Go coif your broccoli cut elsewhere
Tell me you don't have NODs without telling me you don't have NODs.
I qual'd with this setup today and I looked cool as shit and that's all that matters.
Except since it has no adjustable diopter its as good as a cheap starbursty red dot unless you have 2020 vision. Shit sucks for a lot of people man. Lpvo woth dot is superior. Nobody b***hing about weight in 2024 homie sorry.