The UK government threatened him and killed his book made him sign a non disclosure agreement, you two dipshits would know if you had bothered to watch any of the interviews you want to shit on
>be british sf >be stationed in some shithole >murder people in some shithole >oh shit, murdering people is illegal, even though you were asked to murder people
This is a very special case about how people have forgotten that we have laws and such that should be obeyed. Just because a british service member is stationed in Nairobi and there is some terrorist act doesnt mean he is in any way shape or form allowed to intervene. He was not attacked, he was not in imminent danger, he willingly went into danger and killed foreign nationals while on deployment in an allied nation. He acted way beyond any mandates, ROE and in general extra legal. As a member of a foreign military force he did not enjoy diplomatic immunity either.
This is why he was told to shut the frick up and why the british government is not having parties every time his name comes up. He is not considered a national hero because he is a criminal. They just chose not to punish him because of the bad optics. This is why he keeps his mouth shut.
>This is why he keeps his mouth shut.
But still gets in front of a camera every chance he gets just to tell the audience he won't talk about it. I don't care *why* he won't talk about it, but if he isn't going to, then what the frick is he doing wasting my time
he can milk *just* enough attention from his actions alone without being gagged by the MoD for overstepping
I'm sure if he did MI5 would give him some celebratory tea and he'd be quietly "retired"
If you were former British SOF, and have been in the UK .mil pipeline for a decade plus of your adult life, what other opportunities outside of military life do you have these days? Especially for dudes like him that are fairly-well burned from having his face and name out there?
I'm sure a former Regiment lad has some things cooking, but the podcast circuit is a nice bit of income-padding, if you can get it.
Besides, let's face it. He's infinitely less annoying than every SEAL since 2011 telling you ALL ABOUT the same type of shit the last 80 SEALs on podcasts have talked about.
>He's infinitely less annoying
No he's not. Going on everyone's podcast, rambling for an hour about shit nobody gives a frick about, and then clamming up when asked about the one thing the host and audience are there to hear about is more completely ridiculous than the last decade and a half of SEAL divas combined.
>rambling for an hour about shit nobody gives a frick about, and then clamming up when asked about the one thing the host and audience are there to hear about
Fair enough.
I've only ever listened to a few with him on, I could imagine hearing the same routine by the 8th podcast might be annoying. I still fault him less than SEALs, Craighead at least has a semi-plausible excuse for the blueballing.
Hahahaha you're wrong and a gay, shorty AR goes brrr
>OH NO PSYCHO Black folk DIED :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
rope
Maybe your parents shouldnt have let the TV raise you. Just because the main character is a good guy doesnt mean he can commit assault, murder, armed robbery, arson, grand theft auto and several other crimes by the dozen. Try watching any Die Hard movie from a legal perspective. John is a mass murdering criminal. There are oftentimes just a very few cases in which he actually acted in self defense throughout his movies.
I understand that it seems to be ridiculous to find anything objectionable in Craigs actions, but they were completely illegal.
But that's exactly the point the first guy was making though. Whether his actions are good or bad are irrelevant here, the governments involved don't care about the morality of the situation. The point is he broke the law and only barely got away with it, and the British government would go down on him like a bag of bricks if he ever opened his mouth about it. Whether that's fair or not is an entirely different issue.
Its the only way he can milk it and no one can prevent him legally from going on podcasts to not speak about it. It is a legal issue, otherwise he wouldn't be under a gag order in the first place and the british DOD wouldnt constantly try to not address the issue whenever a reporter brings it up.
>Try watching any Die Hard movie from a legal perspective. John is a mass murdering criminal. There are oftentimes just a very few cases in which he actually acted in self defense throughout his movies.
The bad guys were committing lots of forcible felonies and it would be reasonable to use lethal force to stop them.
It's like in RuneScape when you attack someone in the wildy unprovoked and so you get marked for death and anyone can attack you without getting marked themself.
>be british sf >be stationed in some shithole >murder people in some shithole >oh shit, murdering people is illegal, even though you were asked to murder people
This is a very special case about how people have forgotten that we have laws and such that should be obeyed. Just because a british service member is stationed in Nairobi and there is some terrorist act doesnt mean he is in any way shape or form allowed to intervene. He was not attacked, he was not in imminent danger, he willingly went into danger and killed foreign nationals while on deployment in an allied nation. He acted way beyond any mandates, ROE and in general extra legal. As a member of a foreign military force he did not enjoy diplomatic immunity either.
This is why he was told to shut the frick up and why the british government is not having parties every time his name comes up. He is not considered a national hero because he is a criminal. They just chose not to punish him because of the bad optics. This is why he keeps his mouth shut.
Just because something is legal doesnt mean its right. Just because something is illegal doesnt mean its wrong.
Fricking moron.
Checked and unironically correct on the technicalities.
Technicalities aside, dude did do some cool shit that many, many of us would do if in his situation and with his knowledge, training, and skillset.
The Good Thing isn't always The Right Thing, and all that. He still gets kudos for doing the good thing, anon.
The British government policy is not talk about Special Forces operations, presumably that applies to the soldiers as well. My guess is even if he'd obeyed every known law to the letter he'd still be told not to talk about it
>"Not legal!!!" >NOT LEGAL!!!"
Man shut up, actually. Weak pissant little baby boy that would watch your community get razed to the ground and wonder why nobody was there to stop it. Men have a moral obligation to protect the innocent, and if the act required to rescue innocent lives don't fall neatly within the confines of the law, good people tend to ignore it. Its why he wasn't court martialed or reprimanded past "dont do it again and dont talk about it" because, like you said, the optics of the act of punishing him would be so comically bad that it would effectively ruin their reputation. "yo we punished the guy who you hail as a national hero." The guy has his fricking kit on display in the hotel he saved and hes a house hold name in Kenya give me a break.
Also people forget that the Kenyans asked him if he could help and were thankful for it.
The optics of foreign soldiers operating even in allied soil is terrible since it undermines governments. Even Americans would flip their shit if the SAS killed Mexican narcos or Somalis in US soil.
Just imagine German police asking US forces stationed there to help them with a hostage situation. They are simply not allowed to intervene. If they do, German police is legally obliged to stop them. If they don’t, they are also acting extra legal. This goes for the Kenyans too. Just because some government official asks foreigners for help doesn’t mean they can go on a killing sprees. Nations have established laws that prohibit this because only an entity of the state should have the power and the legal backing of taking someone else’s life in certain circumstances. Nowhere in written law will you find a provision for foreigners to kill in an official capacity. It simply does not exist anywhere, because it is, in most developed countries that have an established legal system, illegal.
only an entity of the state should have the power and the legal backing of taking someone else’s life in certain circumstances
Kek, I hope that if anyone is ever in a position to intervene to save your life or your family's lives, that they've read this first >Not my problem, call an entity of the state
I don't know of any country that doesn't condone the average rando killing in self defence if necessary.
This is no different from vigilanteeism. If Craighead wasn't SAS but a concerned citizen with kit, he'd still be at the same risk of prosecution as he is now. That is to say, none. Because no one is going to arrest a hero for heroic acts. He is entitled to defend himself when clearing the building, it's the terrorists' fault for presenting a threat to him.
Your dependence on the state is noted. Where were these entities of the state when the hostage crisis was happening? You were probably sucking them off
Why are you all such a bunch of dumbass shitheads? It’s obvious that from a legal standpoint everything he did was objectionable, nowhere in here does anyone say it was a bad decision. Reform your legal systems, if you don’t like it.
>Article 112 >Foreign military personnel can go on a killing spree if they think a situation warrants it and some rando government official asks for help.
Kek, you guys are dumb as frick. Low IQs generally lack the intelligence to understand legal systems and the principles they are build on.
What's dumb as frick is you morons acting like he was hunting Al Shababis or whatever for fun on his own initiative. Defending yourself or others from armed aggressors is not illegal regardless of who you are. Western legal systems explicitly allows this, and so does the Kenyan one, evidently. This is not the highly illegal extrajudicial killing spree you Black folk seem to think it is.
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>Defending yourself or others from armed aggressors is not illegal regardless of who you are.
It is. Are you 12, black and are unable to answer the question of how you would feel if you didnt have breakfast?
Nobody liked that kid in school who went "well technically" to argue over the dumbest shit. Laws exist to serve man, not the other way around. There are times when exceptions can and should be made.
all gun guys are self-absorbed twats. what he did was great, but when you spend the rest of your life humble-bragging about it you just come off like a massive homosexual, and i kinda wish he got killed now. at least if he got killed he would be left with some dignity, but not now.
brits are super cucked, he can't even wield a sharpie when he's not working, but his handlers aren't wrong for that, his brain is fried, i wouldn't trust him either tbh
Can't fault him for that. I'd definitely do a course with him. I don't know why he'd need citizenship for that though necessarily. I'm a leaf and there's a an ex-SWAT guy local to me who runs courses, and apparently he's an adjunct instructor for the Sig Academy in the States. So obviously you don't actually have to be American. Even if Craighead came over to our side of the pond to teach a few times a year he'd probably make bank
>Is it autism?
anyone can get in contact with him. all he has to do is secure travel lodging, talk for a few hours and dip. it's really more on the onus of the interviewer to actually drive the convo into more of the same. but yes he does have some tisms
Two reasons. Theres supposed to be some sort of litigation between him and the UK govt about it, plus he's trying to get a book approved. So he cant talk about it in the same way you arent supposed to discuss ongoing cases, and he probably doesn't want to because it would spoil his book.
Podcasts are for people who don't value their time. You are not losing anything by hearing this bong not talk about the thing he's not supposed to talk about. Only I am losing value by having to see you whine about it.
Kenya's fault for not having intel that terrorists will raid one of their malls, also their fault for not having a proper CT bolice/military force to handle situations that they called in a foreigner.
Hopefully it's a wake up call for that country to stop being a thirdie for a moment and invest in security and training so they don't need to rely on foreigners anymore.
Burgers were told to stand down when horny village elders want to buttfrick little boys and they allowed it to happen, same energy with foreign soldiers in foreign soil. Even local PDs don't want other PDs or the feds interfering with their business unless they really have to.
I'm surprised he hasn't written a book about how he can't talk about it
The UK government threatened him and killed his book made him sign a non disclosure agreement, you two dipshits would know if you had bothered to watch any of the interviews you want to shit on
>I'm surprised he hasn't written a book about how he can't talk about it
>be british sf
>be stationed in some shithole
>murder people in some shithole
>oh shit, murdering people is illegal, even though you were asked to murder people
This is a very special case about how people have forgotten that we have laws and such that should be obeyed. Just because a british service member is stationed in Nairobi and there is some terrorist act doesnt mean he is in any way shape or form allowed to intervene. He was not attacked, he was not in imminent danger, he willingly went into danger and killed foreign nationals while on deployment in an allied nation. He acted way beyond any mandates, ROE and in general extra legal. As a member of a foreign military force he did not enjoy diplomatic immunity either.
This is why he was told to shut the frick up and why the british government is not having parties every time his name comes up. He is not considered a national hero because he is a criminal. They just chose not to punish him because of the bad optics. This is why he keeps his mouth shut.
>This is why he keeps his mouth shut.
But still gets in front of a camera every chance he gets just to tell the audience he won't talk about it. I don't care *why* he won't talk about it, but if he isn't going to, then what the frick is he doing wasting my time
he can milk *just* enough attention from his actions alone without being gagged by the MoD for overstepping
I'm sure if he did MI5 would give him some celebratory tea and he'd be quietly "retired"
If you were former British SOF, and have been in the UK .mil pipeline for a decade plus of your adult life, what other opportunities outside of military life do you have these days? Especially for dudes like him that are fairly-well burned from having his face and name out there?
I'm sure a former Regiment lad has some things cooking, but the podcast circuit is a nice bit of income-padding, if you can get it.
Besides, let's face it. He's infinitely less annoying than every SEAL since 2011 telling you ALL ABOUT the same type of shit the last 80 SEALs on podcasts have talked about.
>He's infinitely less annoying
No he's not. Going on everyone's podcast, rambling for an hour about shit nobody gives a frick about, and then clamming up when asked about the one thing the host and audience are there to hear about is more completely ridiculous than the last decade and a half of SEAL divas combined.
>rambling for an hour about shit nobody gives a frick about, and then clamming up when asked about the one thing the host and audience are there to hear about
Fair enough.
I've only ever listened to a few with him on, I could imagine hearing the same routine by the 8th podcast might be annoying. I still fault him less than SEALs, Craighead at least has a semi-plausible excuse for the blueballing.
You are one hundred percent correct, but there will be bloodthirsty smoothbrains in this thread soon to tell you all about you are wrong
What does this gif mean? See it all the time
once he spills the beans nobody will be interested in what he has to say because he would have said it
meme about disposing your used oil down the drain, which is bad for the plumbing but renters don't care
Not my problem
you are one hundred percent moronic and gay
Maybe your parents shouldnt have let the TV raise you. Just because the main character is a good guy doesnt mean he can commit assault, murder, armed robbery, arson, grand theft auto and several other crimes by the dozen. Try watching any Die Hard movie from a legal perspective. John is a mass murdering criminal. There are oftentimes just a very few cases in which he actually acted in self defense throughout his movies.
I understand that it seems to be ridiculous to find anything objectionable in Craigs actions, but they were completely illegal.
The law =/= the good
Nobody gives a shit about muh "legal perspective"
Spoken like a true thirdie.
Spoken like a true thirdie bootlicker.
But that's exactly the point the first guy was making though. Whether his actions are good or bad are irrelevant here, the governments involved don't care about the morality of the situation. The point is he broke the law and only barely got away with it, and the British government would go down on him like a bag of bricks if he ever opened his mouth about it. Whether that's fair or not is an entirely different issue.
If it was actually a legal issue, he would be keeping a low profile and wouldn't be on every podcast he can find talking (but not talking) about it.
Its the only way he can milk it and no one can prevent him legally from going on podcasts to not speak about it. It is a legal issue, otherwise he wouldn't be under a gag order in the first place and the british DOD wouldnt constantly try to not address the issue whenever a reporter brings it up.
>Try watching any Die Hard movie from a legal perspective. John is a mass murdering criminal. There are oftentimes just a very few cases in which he actually acted in self defense throughout his movies.
The bad guys were committing lots of forcible felonies and it would be reasonable to use lethal force to stop them.
It's like in RuneScape when you attack someone in the wildy unprovoked and so you get marked for death and anyone can attack you without getting marked themself.
Just because something is legal doesnt mean its right. Just because something is illegal doesnt mean its wrong.
Fricking moron.
Nobody arrested McClane at the end of the movie, eat a dick. If you're so concerned put Craig in a jury trial and watch them get off scot free
>OH NO PSYCHO Black folk DIED :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
rope
Hahahaha you're wrong and a gay, shorty AR goes brrr
>i dont know what were talking about but this guy's words make me want to disagree with him
Checked and unironically correct on the technicalities.
Technicalities aside, dude did do some cool shit that many, many of us would do if in his situation and with his knowledge, training, and skillset.
The Good Thing isn't always The Right Thing, and all that. He still gets kudos for doing the good thing, anon.
The British government policy is not talk about Special Forces operations, presumably that applies to the soldiers as well. My guess is even if he'd obeyed every known law to the letter he'd still be told not to talk about it
samegay
kys commie scum
I swear to god I saw this topic months ago with some of the exact same posts.
I don't see it on the archive, but I swore there was this post and - okay it was https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/60796961/#60796961
so I am not completely losing my mind. Just wrong that we didn't have this exact same topic/posts. Just same beats.
Self defense applies not only just to yourself, but to other innocent people who are also being attacked or may be attacked imminently. Stupid frick.
That is not universally true.
lawyers must hang
>"Not legal!!!"
>NOT LEGAL!!!"
Man shut up, actually. Weak pissant little baby boy that would watch your community get razed to the ground and wonder why nobody was there to stop it. Men have a moral obligation to protect the innocent, and if the act required to rescue innocent lives don't fall neatly within the confines of the law, good people tend to ignore it. Its why he wasn't court martialed or reprimanded past "dont do it again and dont talk about it" because, like you said, the optics of the act of punishing him would be so comically bad that it would effectively ruin their reputation. "yo we punished the guy who you hail as a national hero." The guy has his fricking kit on display in the hotel he saved and hes a house hold name in Kenya give me a break.
You have absolutely destroyed the homosexuals from /k/.
Look at this clown
kek!
Also people forget that the Kenyans asked him if he could help and were thankful for it.
The optics of foreign soldiers operating even in allied soil is terrible since it undermines governments. Even Americans would flip their shit if the SAS killed Mexican narcos or Somalis in US soil.
It’s also illegal when officials ask you.
Just imagine German police asking US forces stationed there to help them with a hostage situation. They are simply not allowed to intervene. If they do, German police is legally obliged to stop them. If they don’t, they are also acting extra legal. This goes for the Kenyans too. Just because some government official asks foreigners for help doesn’t mean they can go on a killing sprees. Nations have established laws that prohibit this because only an entity of the state should have the power and the legal backing of taking someone else’s life in certain circumstances. Nowhere in written law will you find a provision for foreigners to kill in an official capacity. It simply does not exist anywhere, because it is, in most developed countries that have an established legal system, illegal.
only an entity of the state should have the power and the legal backing of taking someone else’s life in certain circumstances
Kek, I hope that if anyone is ever in a position to intervene to save your life or your family's lives, that they've read this first
>Not my problem, call an entity of the state
I don't know of any country that doesn't condone the average rando killing in self defence if necessary.
*Or the defence of others.
This is no different from vigilanteeism. If Craighead wasn't SAS but a concerned citizen with kit, he'd still be at the same risk of prosecution as he is now. That is to say, none. Because no one is going to arrest a hero for heroic acts. He is entitled to defend himself when clearing the building, it's the terrorists' fault for presenting a threat to him.
Your dependence on the state is noted. Where were these entities of the state when the hostage crisis was happening? You were probably sucking them off
Why are you all such a bunch of dumbass shitheads? It’s obvious that from a legal standpoint everything he did was objectionable, nowhere in here does anyone say it was a bad decision. Reform your legal systems, if you don’t like it.
>Article 112
>Foreign military personnel can go on a killing spree if they think a situation warrants it and some rando government official asks for help.
Kek, you guys are dumb as frick. Low IQs generally lack the intelligence to understand legal systems and the principles they are build on.
What's dumb as frick is you morons acting like he was hunting Al Shababis or whatever for fun on his own initiative. Defending yourself or others from armed aggressors is not illegal regardless of who you are. Western legal systems explicitly allows this, and so does the Kenyan one, evidently. This is not the highly illegal extrajudicial killing spree you Black folk seem to think it is.
>Defending yourself or others from armed aggressors is not illegal regardless of who you are.
It is. Are you 12, black and are unable to answer the question of how you would feel if you didnt have breakfast?
>Are you 12
No
>black
How dare you
>no one is going to arrest a hero for heroic acts
>Because no one is going to arrest a hero for heroic acts
amazing bait
why are socialists so consistently moronic?
Nobody liked that kid in school who went "well technically" to argue over the dumbest shit. Laws exist to serve man, not the other way around. There are times when exceptions can and should be made.
it's attention whoring
Everyone itt is moronic, he’s making bank off of it. Probably a bit of the attention whoring too.
what was his confirmed count in this? Was it like 2? or was it Nakatomi plaza 20+ levels?
all gun guys are self-absorbed twats. what he did was great, but when you spend the rest of your life humble-bragging about it you just come off like a massive homosexual, and i kinda wish he got killed now. at least if he got killed he would be left with some dignity, but not now.
>goes on your podcast
>takes your money
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
CHAD
Al Shabab is one of the worst.
There is a 100% chance he will pass with a positive K:D ratio. I am jelly
brits are super cucked, he can't even wield a sharpie when he's not working, but his handlers aren't wrong for that, his brain is fried, i wouldn't trust him either tbh
hes trying to get american citizenship so he can make the big bucks running training classes and selling custom rifles and gear.
Can't fault him for that. I'd definitely do a course with him. I don't know why he'd need citizenship for that though necessarily. I'm a leaf and there's a an ex-SWAT guy local to me who runs courses, and apparently he's an adjunct instructor for the Sig Academy in the States. So obviously you don't actually have to be American. Even if Craighead came over to our side of the pond to teach a few times a year he'd probably make bank
>Is it autism?
anyone can get in contact with him. all he has to do is secure travel lodging, talk for a few hours and dip. it's really more on the onus of the interviewer to actually drive the convo into more of the same. but yes he does have some tisms
>Is it autism?
Well it's fricking SOMETHING lol
>Is it autism?
No, its called easy money.
Two reasons. Theres supposed to be some sort of litigation between him and the UK govt about it, plus he's trying to get a book approved. So he cant talk about it in the same way you arent supposed to discuss ongoing cases, and he probably doesn't want to because it would spoil his book.
homie's gotta eat
Podcasts are for people who don't value their time. You are not losing anything by hearing this bong not talk about the thing he's not supposed to talk about. Only I am losing value by having to see you whine about it.
His book out?
Kenya's fault for not having intel that terrorists will raid one of their malls, also their fault for not having a proper CT bolice/military force to handle situations that they called in a foreigner.
Hopefully it's a wake up call for that country to stop being a thirdie for a moment and invest in security and training so they don't need to rely on foreigners anymore.
Burgers were told to stand down when horny village elders want to buttfrick little boys and they allowed it to happen, same energy with foreign soldiers in foreign soil. Even local PDs don't want other PDs or the feds interfering with their business unless they really have to.