So I think its widely agreed that if glock doesn't do some reinvention of the wheel with gen 6 they will become irrelevant within a few years. If gen 6 does not pull back some of the market share from the m&p, pdp, apx, etc "clones" Glock is destined to be the next Colt. Get by on one design for decades until nobody cares anymore except for boomers because of nostalgia. What will they do? What can they do?
>Glock needs to innovate its Glocks because everyone is making their own Glock clone
Yeah they'll be fine. They're selling a $150 gun for $650. If they really start to feel the squeeze from the competition, they can sell it for $450 and still come out ahead
Yeah, this is the only thing eating their market share. The moronic price tag.
Literally yes , if your competition offers the same product for less money, your going to fail.
>what is a veblin curve
the competition still wont have the proven reliability and track record of a glock brand glock. i bought the M&P one for a while and it wouldnt run steel case ammo, constant light primer strikes and stovepipes every 2-3 mags while shooting wolf. put 10k rounds of wolf through my glock 19 gen 4 and never had a malfunction and i've also never cleaned or oiled it
Black person that’s not how capitalism works in practice
real life isn’t a fricking textbook, brand recognition and loyalty is a b***h
It's not that they're just clones, everyone has improved on the Glock design and Glocks have arguably gotten worse.
No, Glock needs to innovate because everyone is making BETTER glocks. Glock controls have always been dogshit, their grip texturing is moronic, and the trigger and sights are bottom-tier garbage. They also need to stop with the meme that is polygonal rifling.
>Their grip texturing is moronic
The texture on everything since the original RTF Gen 3's through Gen 4/Gen 5 is fine. In an ideal world it'd like it a little higher up past the thumb rest, and a bit on the duster cover above the trigger guard so your support hand thumb has something to index off of, but other wise I've got no complaints about the grip texture. Out of the box the only comparable pistol that has better texturing to me is an M&P 2.0, but I don't think it's that much better than stock Gen 4/Gen 5 Glock.
>Glock controls are dog shit
As far as controls the Gen 4/Gen 5 fixed any problem you could have with the mag release other than maybe making it completely ambi, but even for left handed shooters it's fine even without reversing it to the opposite side of the frame. That only really leaves the slide lock, which are now fully ambi as of Gen 5. What else is their to b***h about control wise?
Triggers and sights are bottom-tier garbage
I won't argue with you on sights. They either need to all come with factory night sights at their current price, or the price needs to come down 100-150 dollars.
Throwing you in here since you mentioned triggers as well.
Glock triggers I've never really understood the complaints about. Gen 5 Glocks do have objectively better triggers out of the box than previous generations, though if that still isn't good enough for you the world is your oyster with what's available in the aftermarket. I've always been of the opinion if you can't pick up a completely stock Glock of any generation and shoot it competently, it's you that sucks as a shooter.
I have a gen 4 Glock 40 and an IWI masada I compare frequently. One may say they're incomparable, but every Glock is a stretched or shrunk version of a Glock 17 outside of what they shoot, so my complaints and comparisons are valid.
>texturing
The spikey texture they use does its job well, but it's outright uncomfortable compared to the velvet-like Masada grip texture that still manages to grip on like sandpaper. It's obtrusive and makes intentionally adjusting your grip just a little harder than it should be. It's obvious they chose it to make manufacturing cheaper.
>controls
The slide release design itself is inexcusable. A 90° vertical surface that requires a couple pounds of force to push down is a bad design. Every other handgun I've shot has some kind of shelf that allows you to get just a little more purchase on it and makes it a lot more tactile. The Glock release almost seems hidden.
The Glock mag release is recessed into the frame on the rear half of the button, which renders half of it useless in function. Guns like the Masada have a convex mag release button that lets you drop a mag no matter what part of the button you press.
Even the takedown lever is dumb and easily fixed. It has the same problem as the slide release where you're pulling down on a flat textured surface. Just angling it outward at the bottom SLIGHTLY would make it a better design.
I get why it's like this. It's designed to prevent inadvertent use, but that's nit a problem if you've used your gun for more than a collective day like most cops do.
>trigger
You actually caught my double post so I'm replying for both of the posts you quoted. The wall on the Glock trigger is extremely long and makes it feel way heavier as a result. I bought my Masada because it had a smooth take-up and then a near-SA feeling break. The Glock has an okay take-up and then a break that feels like the last 5th of a DA trigger. It's serviceable, but has no right feeling just so gross.
My apologies I thought you were two anons.
>Texturing
I've always been a fan of the very aggressive texturing on RTF and later models of Glocks. Under heavy range sessions it can begin to become uncomfortable, but in a real gunfight you're almost entirely guaranteed never to fire enough rounds through it to become an issue, and I find the added security in the positivity of the grip well worth the trade off. Haven't handled a Masada, so I can't speak to it. Just going by pictures it looks pretty good. Not a fan of the logo in the middle of the grip but otherwise I'm a fan.
>Controls
Seems like this comes down to hand size. Even on the stock slide lock a lot of people manage to ride the slide lock and fail to lock the slide back on an empty mag. Personally I'm left handed so until recently it was never really a concern for me either way. It's always been relegated to an admin tool for maintenance, never personally had any problems with it.
Regarding the take down lever I've never heard of any real complaints about it, so this is kinda a first for me. From what I gather it looks like the Masada uses a lever the rotates about 90 degrees to remove the slide right? Similar to an M9, Sig P22x series, or an M&P breakdown I'm guessing? I've never really had a problem with that battery of arms, but I don't see it as a major advantage or disadvantage either. The only time I've had an issue with a Glock style take down lever it wasn't even on a Glock, it was on Caracal pistol that was briefly imported before it got recalled. It uses the same basic method as Glock, but sweet shit were the metal tabs on that thing stiff.
cont.
Realize I didn't address the magazine release.
Regarding that I think I could agree with you if it was still the stock Gen 3 or earlier type release. As it is today on Gen 4/5 I find it to be a great release. Like I said I'm left handed, and even without switching it the right side of the pistol I have zero problems actuating it with either my trigger finger, or my middle finger. When I'm shooting right handed I find it physically impossible to fail to release the magazine regardless of where I press it. Even if I deliberately hold the gun poorly and intentionally reach for the very edges of the release, it still drops the mag free every time. Mag releases I feel like are one of those lots of way to skin a cat sort of things, particularly for right handed shooters like most people are. Outside of the old European style heel release, and the H&K paddle release I've never really had an issue with one on any pistol regardless of manufacturer.
>Trigger
As a combat trigger I've always really liked the trigger on Glock, though admittedly this may in large part be coming from a place of shooting them since I was a kid. At this point perhaps it's Stockholm syndrome, but I find Glock triggers perfectly predictable for me. I know there's different schools of thought on how you should press the trigger. I personally like to treat it like a two stage trigger, pull through the take up, find the wall, then break the shot. I find that style of shooting works well for me and a Glock trigger lends itself well to it. YMMV I suppose.
Gen 5 Glocks are the best handguns on the planet. Copers will disagree, but deep down, they know the truth.
I really hope nobody on earth believes this. I've owned three Gen 5s and I can confidently say they're the worst handguns I've owned, adequate at best, a good deal ONLY at Blue Label prices. Stop taking advice on handguns from people who shoot rifles most of the time and never compete with pistols, they just phone it in without realizing that's what they're doing.
>compete
Well, there's your problem.
>I've owned three
>they're the worst handguns I've owned
So why did you buy more than one?
Just to be clear I don't believe you ever bought any, but I'm willing to entertain your mental gymnastics.
Checked and I too would like to know why someone would buy the same bad thing three times in a row.
You're joking right? They literally fricked up their .40 S&W models with chunky as frick, heavy ass slides. They don't know what the frick they're doing anymore.
No, all .40 Glocks since the first generation have been below spec. The service life of .40 Glocks is half that of equivalent 9mm versions because they have the same dimensions with a much hotter cartridge, causing excessive force on the slide. This has nothing to do with the unsupported chamber causing them to blow up which is a whole separate argument against your post. So it's literally the exact opposite, only now do they know what they're doing.
Still bullshit, because other companies have functional .40 S&W handguns that aren't double the weight of their 9mm guns.
A .40 caliber pistol will always have a lower service life than an otherwise equivalent 9mm pistol. Some things you just can't fight physics on.
The USP is laughing at your homosexual face.
The USP and the P229 are the only two pistols I can think of off the top of my head designed from the ground up around the .40 first and foremost and not just a repurposed 9mm frame with a .40 cal slide slapped on top.
M&P too I thought
Maybe, but I'm not positive about that off the top of my head. Wouldn't really surprise me if it was. If my memory serves right the M&P came onto the market at close to the time of the apex of .40's popularity.
Post proof that a USP .40 has the same service life as a USP 9 right now.
All .40 guns initially designed for 9mm have accelerated wear.
>they have the same dimensions with a much hotter cartridge
SAAMI spec for 9mm and .40 S&W are both 35,000 PSI.
Enjoying my gen5 34
>jams after being slightly limp-wristed
Two things they can do.
1. Make all models optics ready
2. All guns come with metal night sights
Other than that, not much they can do.
let me fix that for you
>all guns come with optics plate
>all guns come with OEM sights to cut costs
>sell production threaded barrels instead of forcing your customers to buy them from 3rd parties
>unfrick the frame, cut the trigger guard higher to allow better grip
>extended slide release by default
There, fixed.
>all guns come with optics plate
Most people don't want or need an optics plate.
>sell production threaded barrels instead of forcing your customers to buy them from 3rd parties
This would be cool
>unfrick the frame, cut the trigger guard higher to allow better grip
Hell no it's perfect now. Why would you want to make the weakest part of the frame even weaker? That's how you get HKucked
>extended slide release by default
It's extended enough already. Any more and it will start bumping into shit and ejecting the mag when you don't want it to.
>It's extended enough already. Anymore and it will start bumping into shit and ejecting the mag when you don't want it to.
Think you're mixing up the slide lock/slide release and magazine release there. I've never seen even an extended slide lock large enough to bump into the magazine release. I find the magazine release on the Gen 4/Gen 5 Glocks pretty much "Glock perfection" as is. I wouldn't want them any more extended, but the stock slide release does leave a little to be desired for some shooters. Not really an issue for me since I'm left handed, I pretty much always slingshot it or rely on a forceful insertion of the magazine to put the gun back into battery.
Oh I misread nvm. Yeah an extended slide release would be good too actually.
The only reason I see to trim the trigger guard on a Glock is if you happen to own one with finger grooves, and those grooves don't fit your hand particularly well. On newer gen 5's without the finger grooves it isn't really an issue considering the relatively low height of bore axis on Glocks to begin with.
I agree with you on pretty much ever other point though.
Glock *perfection
It's the Book of Mormon of handguns
I just wish they would release new big frames. They went out of their way to introduce a larger slide for .40's, but that's it.
17L slide 43 frame would drag this company out of irrelevancy.
You can put a 43x/48 slide on a 43.
Yeah I know but I want 9mm flying out of a 6" barrel. That's the point.
Glock gen 5 mos with after market plates and optic high sights. You're pretty much done at that point.
Everything else is cosmetic or tuned to your personal preference.
maybe they could fix the trigger or sights
stuff we've been talking about for decades
not a single glock clone has a genuinely good trigger.
People whining about the trigger don't shoot.
well then if they just fix the trigger and sights then no one can complain and theyre better than all the clones
interesting how not a single company has tried the obvious "just fix the trigger bro" on the 1,000,000 different striker fired models on the planet
That's not true, the Canik TP9SFx, the Walther PDP both have good striker-fired triggers, and the VP9's is adequate
I think he means literallyagloccs not notagloks
Sig's better, CZ is better, Steyr is unknown but still better...
There's three companies that have better triggers than Glock's squishplanet triggers.
Hell, fricking Taurus has a better trigger on the TX22 than Glock has on the 44. TAURUS. Literal monkeys are outmatching glock perfection!
VP9 is good
Are those the stock sights?
yep 3 dot green tritiums
they kinda suck but i like them
Walther PDP trigger shits all over the Glock trigger.
>people who shoot way more than me and understand what a massive difference a non-shit trigger can make don't have relevant input because it's devastating to my argument.
Yeah alright
They don't need a "genuinely good trigger". Striker triggers are bad by merit of their function, but even a Taurus G3 has a better trigger. All I want is for it to be BETTER. Not good, just better.
There's far more risk of making a shit gun than a better gun. Glocks work and have unparalleled industry support
>unparalleled industry support
What exactly do you mean by this? They have the same holster and optic mounting options as most other popular striker fired guns. Do you mean that they have an unparalleled market of aftermarket modifications like trigger replacements? Why do you think that might be? Why do you think that's necessary?
Yeah man let me know how easy it is to get threaded barrels, suppressor height sights, heavier guide rod springs, light-bearing holsters, and easily sourced replacement parts for your contrarian meme gun
You've guaranteed that this thread will be bumped for the next 2 days by butthurt USP poorgays
>Accuses someone else of shilling for meme guns
>Wants to put a suppressor on a pistol
Dawson makes suppressor-height sights, Wolf makes springs, and Bar-Sto makes barrels for most common striker-fired guns. LB holsters are also available for virtually every common striker-fired gun. I concede that if your search engine skills aren't quite up the standards of the younger generations the Glock might be a good gun for you. Do you need help looking for something in particular?
Threaded barrel. Suppressor lost in the ether of paperwork. Planning on adding a streamlight w green laser.
Siggers can literally get all those things from in-house at this point except (for now) holsters.
>im too stupid to use search engines and shop online the post
lol
1911's work. Mil spec AR's work. It did not keep Colt relevant. You can't stand still while PSA is pumping out at near the same quality for half the price.
>oh no no no
I think it's perfectly reasonable to see meme blackout keyholing at 300 yards from a 10.5" barrel I think its hilarious someone would think that meme blackout keyholing at 300 yards would even matter in any real scenario.
>perfectly reasonable
>1:8 twist should keyhole 120 grain bullets at 300!
holy frick you are genuinely moronic
How Glock could bring their pistols up to par with the market:
>steel-wall magazines for more capacity or thinner grip frame, depending on model
>rework action to eliminate massive propensity for limpwrist malfunctions
>rework grip angle so they point the same as 95% of the other handguns on the market - can have an accessory backstrap with the hump for people who like it
>grip needs to be more oval shaped in cross-section, like the P30; more of a trigger guard undercut
>trigger safety needs to sit more flush on the trigger
>steel sights from the factory
>full 1913 picatinny rail
How Glock can exceed the market:
>integrated red dot optic INCLUDED with the gun, maybe so you can't even remove it from the slide
>special snowflake action that allows the bore axis to be lower
>better trigger feel
>Steel wall magazines and thinner grip
Makes it incompatible with previous-gen Glock mags. A steel magazine requires a steel magazine release button, which will cut up previous polymer magazines, and a thinner grip would prevent previous mags from inserting properly.
>Rework action to prevent limp wrist
Agreed.
>Rework grip angle and shape, undercut trigger guard.
Agreed, so long as it still looks like a Glock. I enjoy the almost brutalist aesthetic of Glocks. Also, a re-contoured grip might help with limp-wristing issues. Other polymer framed guns don't have that issue, and they have different grip shapes.
>Smaller trigger safety
Doesn't really matter. I'd prefer a steel trigger if I'm being honest.
>Steel sights standard
Agreed.
>Full length pic-rail
Why do people always go for this? Glock rails work just fine. Because we need more soulless rails on everything? No. Glock rail is fine.
Your bottom three points are moronic or not worth covering.
Here's what Glock really needs to do:
>Trigger pack/chassis/frame thingy like the Sig P320, so consoomers can buy only one thing that's legally considered a "gun" and then order conversion kits for every size, length, and caliber they want.
>Optics cut standard.
>Redesigned action/tighter manufacturing tolerances that can function after being covered in mud. No pistol besides the fricking Luger can do this. Would be a huge selling point for tacticool LARPers.
>Release rotating barrel variants like the G46. Plz.
>brutalist aesthetic of Glocks
That's a weird way to say "it's cheap for Glock to make it like this".
>Simple aesthetic design only exists to lessen manufacturing costs
>Not realizing that extra greebles, lines, and parts gives manufacturers the excuse to overcharge for a pistol that's functionally the same as it's competitors
Yes, because all guns made in (current year) should be covered in greebles and unnecessary lines/dots/dashes. Springfield's "Grip Zone" markings sure are needed, huh? Or how about the M&P 2.0, with it's literal softball grip and fishscale slide? Absolutely hideous.
Glock is the perfect example of what a handgun should look like. Sleek, simple, but not too simple; it shouldn't give Hi-Point or Nazi last-ditch vibes.
Glock has the equivalent aesthetic design appeal that the 1911 had in it's heyday. Everything you could want, nothing that you don't, with just enough styling to make you like it's appearance without being over designed or greebled. The future of guns should be sleek and simple, not cluttered and consoomerist.
What's funny and unfortunate about your post is that the M&P 2.0 is better than a glock in every way but appearance.
well it's certainly better in stovepiping and jamming up
All M&P triggers are shit
>x striker fired pistols trigger is better than x striker fired pistol
pottery
I'm the Glock fanboy from the last few posts. If you were talking early M&P triggers I'd agree with you. Even being the self admitted fanboy that I am I'd say the trigger on the M&P 2.0 feels pretty good.
>If you were talking early M&P triggers
yes, shot my friend's pistol, the tacky plastic M&P. it's funny cuz he got it from the pawnshop, but you can find good gems around.
triggers I've never really understood the complaints about
me neither, my Gen 5 G45 is good to me
>>I enjoy the almost brutalist aesthetic of Glocks.
happy I'm not the only one
All I need to get on board is a 46
I want a pistol caliber carbine, Glock, god damn it, and no, those RONI kits don't do it
Absolutely should
>Provide ample factory threaded barrels
>Metal sights
>Improve the optics plates
Maybe
>Separate the fire control group from the frame so that you can play musical frames like the 320
>Rotating barrel???
>Gas Piston Delayed Blowback???
Glocks are really great pistols at their price point. There's not much to be done. Significant alterations will just elevate the price needlessly.
I dont like glocks but theyll never die at this rate. Their whole marketing premise is self fueled; everyone uses them. Also not being maintenance heavy make them seem like godsends when people test guns at their lgs (gun stores rarely clean what you can shoot). At least they spawned ak gays mk2 with how its a undefeated platform of reliability that rarely if ever malfunctions (do NOT look at any bodycam footage of police shootings)
Do the gen 5 Glocks still have the hard angle and flat headed safety plunger?
The only internal work in have done to my gen 4 17, was replacing the stock plunger. And my friends all like that trigger. People with the good shit, all say it is a workable trigger. Not amazing, but good without being light as frick or expensive.
I also have big hands with long fingers so the ergonomics actually work. The only grip mod is some inner tube rubber over the grip to bulk it out more.
A gen 6 though? Optic cuts all around. Throw in a set of suppressor hight sights, non illuminated, with each gun. Offer 3-dot irons as an alternative to the Glock half dot and channel. Threaded barrels for everything as an option. Offer a 19L so people don't have to chop 17s. Smooth and rounded safety plunger. Maybe make the grip smaller for handlets and offering back straps to fill it out for large handed users.
I don't hate glock but Gen. 5 exists solely to milk the market.
>What will they do? What can they do?
If dubs, it'll get debuted in shot show next year and will be chambered in 45 GAP. If trips, it will be unveiled by James Reeves on a TFBtv video.
As much as I agree that Glock has stagnated, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they still are the top seller of handguns.
That said, the fact they couldn't design a 15 round mag for their G19 22 clone is sad. This is GLOCK. They couldn't figure out a way to make a quality 15 round mag? Come on. TAURUS did it. TAURUS.
I've been carrying a Luger since 1941
Hasn't failed me yet.
God I want one so bad
I'm sorry. Believe me, I wish original unscrewed with K98's were still affordable.
Never dropped, been fired 6 million times.
haha, once when I went to an auction they had a WWI Luger and after sitting down with my dad I heard the boomer woman behind us talking to her husband saying
>omg did you see that Nazi Luger? Who would buy something like that, I can't believe that have that here, think about all the israelites that it probably killed
resisting the urge to say "that would make it more valuable" I just sat and waited for the item to come up
I threw in the last bid winning it for around $700 and as I held my card up for auctioneer to read my number I just turned to the boomer woman and smiled
>I think its widely agreed that if glock doesn't do some reinvention of the wheel with gen 6 they will become irrelevant within a few years.
Not likely. There are some things I'd like to see but California alone, and possibly other states, keep gen 3 relevant and GLAWK can otherwise coast by on LE sales.
Really I just want Walther to make the P99 again, I hate the way their new stuff looks.
People who actually use a gun for a living love glocks. It's mostly a small vocal minority of hobbyists who suck at shooting that actually dislike them. It's not a gun meant for collectors, and they don't care about that niche market. It's a gun for people who actually use their shit.
If you want a safe queen or to hem and haw about small ergonomic differences then its not for you. The sales clearly show that glocks are going nowhere
>People who actually use a gun for a living love glocks.
Let me stop you right there, Monsieur homosexual.
Braindead cops who have no experience with literally anything other than what their department issues them love their Glocks. When all the literature tells you that you have the best possible weapon in the world and you're not inquisitive enough to try to find out that it's true, then yes, you'll insist that you love what you have.
Plenty of SOF types were more than happy to run around with Glock all through the GWOT days even well before the days of SOCOM picking it up officially as the Mk27. Fricking Delta of all units even experimented and carried .40 Glocks for a time.
Is it the greatest pistol in the world? Hell no, hasn't even been in the running for a long time, but stop acting like the only people that have ever carried it are brain dead chimp cops.
Gen. 6 will just be gen. 5 but with an ambi mag release and without the flared magwell.
They just need to nut up and finally release a PCC, fr fr no cap.
They won't and don't need to. They'll just become the next 1911 and keep selling based on being the original glock brand glock to the next generation of lead-poisoned boomers and cosplaying zoomer soulposters. The shittier and more dated they keep the platform the more they reinforce their brand identity
Eh I'm unironically hitting boomer tier with my attachment to Glock the way boomers are with their 1911's. There's tons of great pistols out there now, but none of them really do anything special for me to make it worth it enough for me to swap. At the end of the day they're all firing the same bullet, with roughly the same amount of capacity, weighing roughly the same amount of weight, with roughly the same form factor. Sure the trigger may be a bit better here or there, but I've got going on two and a half decades of time behind a Glock now. Literally been shooting them since I was a child. That's a lot of muscle memory to give up for not a whole lot of gain in my eyes. But by all means everyone should the gun that works best for them. If that's Glock like it is for me cool, if not, that's okay too.
All I want is a Glock frame that makes the magazines flush. The G19 grip is slightly too short, whereas the g17 grip is slightly too long. Extending the grip by that last half inch would do wonders for me
Why? Even without a flared mag well having the mag baseplate stick out slightly at least gives you something to grab if you need to forcefully strip the mag.
Cut out a very small portion on the sides of the bottom, but extend the front and back
>Get by on one design for decades until nobody cares anymore except for boomers because of nostalgia
This is not true. Their name is just too huge. Every normie that doesn't know shit about guns has heard of Glock.
I got several of my moronic normie friends (all mid twenties, not boomers) into guns, and the first gun they purchased was a Glock, just because "Oh well you know, I hear its the best handgun lol"
Glock is the default option for normalgays that don't have the patience or intelligence to do proper research, and so they just go with the trust ole default option.
Acquire FK and start pumping out glockified FK BRNOs.
>glock irrelevancy
>mfw euro, national market does not represent even a tenth of the US market, and each gun costs more than twice the price of the same gun is the US.
>So what do you buy anon ?
I wanted a modern do-it-all 9 mm, full capacity, optic ready and threaded barrel out of the box, full size grip because I have large hands, short barrel because maybe I could have to try to CC one day. I wanted something widely available with a large aftermarket (including mags and all) in my country. All of this for a "fair" local price. So the only answer I found was picrelated Glock 45 MOS threaded. The trigger is meh but not as bad as everyone told me because it's a gen 5 after all : it's a military trigger, I could leave it that way and be happy with it. The sights are bad, it's not even a question, I need to change them. About the problem regarding optic plates, companies are starting to make optics that dont need aftermarket plates, like the special glock red dot Holosun released this year. Fine with me. I think I made a good choice regarding the context and my criteria.