> F35 fighter of choice globally even by countries that developed the eurofighter
> KF21 fighter projected to almost all of eurofighter/rafale market with the exception of a few thirdie markets as the KF21 comfortably outperforms the typhoon/rafale while also costing less with comparable operating costs
> KF21 block 1 intentionally designed without iwb (relatively low tech) to slot in just under the F35 price in a seemingly coordinated market move, block 2 the have iwb as F35 improves
> FCAS/GCAP considered a complete joke and analyst expect these jets will be 5.5 gen but still not operational until the 2050s, by which time the US, ROK and even China will be at 6th and potentially even 7th gen
> Global advanced fighter jet market to be completely dominated by the US and ROK with China also playing a role
FCAS/GCAP sisters, we got too wienery
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/european-fighters-are-fast-losing-world-markets-lagging-industry-f-35s-and-east-asian-competitors-ensure-failure
Read the article. You’re editorialising quite a lot. It’s not even a one minute read too
>> FCAS/GCAP considered a complete joke and analyst expect these jets will be 5.5 gen but still not operational until the 2050s, by which time the US, ROK and even China will be at 6th and potentially even 7th gen
You're the only one saying this, no one in the industry is on record saying this, no where.
KF-21 is at LEAST a decade and half behind GCAP
You keep bringing up FCAS, but GCAP is shitting on FCAS too, so not sure why you keep lumping them together when GCAP is the clear leader for European 6th generation.
Classic asiaticshill thread, just lie through your teeth about "industry insiders" and "analysts" that only you know about
> This meant the aircraft would enter service around 25 years behind American and Chinese sixth generation fighters and quite possibly after both countries have moved on to a seventh generation. The viability of a European next generation fighter has itself repeatedly been brought to question due to the limited technologies and industrial base available, particularly if such an aircraft is required to compete on a comparable level to its U.S. and Chinese counterparts
>American and South Korean fighters, and in more neutral countries such as Saudi Arabia potentially Chinese ones as well, are expected to continue to rapidly encroach on European market share which has already diminished considerably since the Cold War era and is expected to continue to decline rapidly.
asiaticshill coping, seething, praying no one checks to see if the poster count went up (no)
Yes, that's FCAS, which i agree is dogshit and no one should buy it.
GCAP is on schedule to enter service not long after NGAD, and likely before Block III KF-21.
There is not even an agreed upon design for the gcap
Why lie?
See this ->
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/european-fighters-are-fast-losing-world-markets-lagging-industry-f-35s-and-east-asian-competitors-ensure-failure
I trust a reputable military publication over a troony that has never served a single day in combat and likely rarely leaves your parents basement
asiaticshill I read your article the first time you posted it in the OP. It literally does not mention GCAP
Why lie?
Because GCAP wouldn't exist until December and the article is from October.
>The Military Watch Magazine Editorial Board aims to provide a consistent, independent perspective on military affairs through research, debate and individual expertise. The board is made up of experts in defence and international security based between multiple countries and regions primarily including the United Kingdom, Korea and East Africa.
Pretty sure the article was written by the asiatic "expert"
Military Watch has the big three in the MIC analyst field: US, UK and ROK - 99% of all MIC analysis comes from these three nations, UK is not a big MIC producer but still dominant in analysis and intelligence related fields
Military watch is a blog site run by a philosophy master's grad with no publications to his name other than his blog site bullshit.
>. Facebook was a hookup website developed by a student at harvard as well as many other large tech companies
So what's your point? KIng's college ihas more elite intellectual talent in their washroom then most of PrepHole combined
Holy shit
asiaticshill do you actually write for these guys? You do don’t you.
>KIng's college ihas more elite intellectual talent in their washroom
He might be the janitor.
Shut the frick up, GCAP has been ~5 years in the making as Japan and the UK had been in early talks about joining the F-X and Tempest programs since 2017. The idea that they agreed to GCAP at the end of 2022 without ANY agreed-upon design is fricking moronic tier asiatic delusion.
Just because BAE and MHI haven't invited you to the drawing board doesn't mean your fantasy cope is ACTUALLY true.
>America exporting NGAD
NGAD is to replace the F-22, the US probably won’t sell it to anyone except maybe Australia, possibly Israel and Japan
>Chinas selling 5th or 6th gen aircraft
China’s already struggling to compete with the US in terms of production of 5th gen aircraft , and that’s without considering that the f35 and f22 being far more advanced. China doesn’t have enough to sell.
As for chinas 6th gen aircraft, without the ability to steal technology I don’t have much hope for them.
So honestly this probably leaves Europe + Japan being the only seller
>You keep bringing up FCAS, but GCAP is shitting on FCAS too, so not sure why you keep lumping them together when GCAP is the clear leader for European 6th generation.
You mean GCAP has better Blender renders and Powerpoint slides?
No i mean they have more money, better industry capabilities, and a much stricter timeline than the french/german/spanish program.
It's clear the political will in japan and the UK both support GCAP whole heartedly, and the industry partners in both countries seem keen on working together and ready to get into the nitty-gritty.
>More money
How? Spain/France/Germany and UK/Italy/Japan have a similar GDP/defense spending.
>Better technology and industrial capacity?
Again, how? UK/Japan/Italy have not fully designed a fighter in ages, France alone still has the ability to do so, including the engines.
>Stricter timeline
Why do people keep bringing this up? The only source you will be able to provide is Dassault's CEO shilling in front of French parliament members to convince them that Germans are the issue.
Seems like your usual Bong cope to me.
>How?
They're actually spending the money on GCAP as opposed to FCAS which is getting a trickle of funding in comparison.
>including the engines
Show me the BEST french military jet engine ever run, even a prototype that only ran on the ground.
Here is Japan's
XF9
> Maximum thrust: > 107.9 kN (24,250 lbf) dry; > 147.10 kN (33,069 lbf) wet
Lets not even talk about airborne radar where japan has been world leading for decades.
>They're actually spending the money on GCAP as opposed to FCAS which is getting a trickle of funding in comparison.
Huuh? FCAS recently got 3 billions euros in funding to build a demonstrator. 150 millions have already been spend on phase 1a. Between 2023 and 2025 alone FCAS should receive 3.6 billions in funding, compared to barely 2 billions by 2025 for GCAP.
>Show me the BEST french military jet engine ever run, even a prototype that only ran on the ground.
If by "best" you mean "most powerful" it would be the M-53P2 (dry: 64.7 kN (14,500 lbf)/wet:95.1 kN (21,400 lbf) mounted on Mirage 2000 (the M88 on Rafale is less powerful)
>compared to barely 2 billions by 2025 for GCAP
>ignoring the $2B+ that's already been spent from 2017 to now
lol
lmao even
You have been proved wrong and will now resort to vain coping, Bong.
Just fyi since the beginning the UK signed a contract worth 250 millions for the fighter, 30 millions for the engine (with Japan), Italy then brought 20 millions in 2021, 2022, 2023, Saab brought 50 millions. 2 billions is the projected funding from 2018 to 2025.
>If by "best" you mean "most powerful" it would be the M-53P2 (dry: 64.7 kN (14,500 lbf)/wet:95.1 kN (21,400 lbf)
lol this is horrible, so france needs to develop a jet engine that is at LEAST ~70% more powerful than their most powerful military jet engine produced to-date. This is a monumental undertaking and something that could take decades to develop.
Japan had spent over $1b USD by like 2020 on the F-X R&D, just in 2022 Japan had $700M for the F-X program.
>This is a monumental undertaking and something that could take decades to develop.
Good, because the engine is already 50 years old kek
>for the F-X program.
Not Tempest
Keep posting this is getting funny.
Yes, and they have made no improvements in the directions needed for higher military thrust.
They've made improvements for airbus to get more fuel efficient flight, but they've neglected military performance engines and they've got a LOT of ground to make up if they want to be taken seriously in 5th/6th gen.
They simply don't have the turbine materials science or the hot section materials needed for 20k+lbf thrust that is needed. So good luck I guess lmao.
Why are you talking about something you clearly don't know shit about? Your shilling is based on wikipedia numbers.
So show me anything that would make you think france is capable of producing a 20,000+ lbf of thrust class engine and I mean dry thrust, no afterburners.
NTA
They don't need to do it now.
Why do you think they can't do it in 20 years when they utterly murdered American commercial planes?
...because this is about military jets in the next decade. Developing an engine in 20 years just assures they're barely going to hit their 2050 date, let alone the late 2030s that GCAP is aiming for.
No one is going to buy FCAS when GCAP is available a decade earlier.
They already have contracts written down that ensure purchases.
Why are you like this?
Yes, with Spain, Germany, and France.
No shit the 3 countries running the program are buying the jets from that program.
Are you moronic or just pretending for (you)s?
The rest of Europe will still want to buy 6th gen jets, and they're all likely to go with GCAP.
You are either moronic or a 13 years old, and for sure a Bong shill. Everyone in Europe except Tempest/FCAS members will keep the F35 and be happy with it.
F-35 isn't a replacement for GCAP you dumb homosexual moron
Do you think F-35 replaces F-22 as well? Come on.
Are you stupid? All three GCAP nations are big F-35 customers. Japan will have the largest F-35 fleet outside of the US, Italy is a major F-35 partner nation, the UK also uses the F-35 on its carriers. GCAP is not replacing F-35.
>except Tempest/FCAS members
You are moronic.
...they're keeping F-35 too you dumb moron that's my point.
GCAP is NOT replacing F-35 for GCAP nations, the GCAP fighter is going to be used alongside F-35 for the next 50 years.
I didn't say they would ditch the F35, simply that most European nations won't have the funds to buy anything else after LM having bleed dry their defense spending
You do realize European defense budgets are low because Americans insist on spending 800 billion a year on their military?
> lmfao, he thinks we only spend $800 billion
True figure is closer to $2 trillion moron
Private contractors for meals, transportation etc don't count
And? Doesn't change the fact that they will just keep the F35 and nothing else
moron
But France is the only one that matters, this is basically a project to modernise their military.
France alone can't order enough to make it affordable, they're going to be stuck with $200M+ airframes that they can only afford to buy a few dozen of.
Rafale costs 115 million.
6th gen fighter that ties together Germany and Spain in your Union even further is worth every penny.
Safran is working on getting 2100K+ temperature in its engine and is developing it by incrementally updating the M88
Yes, and judging by how long it took other western nations to develop the materials tech to do that, it could well be decades before they're successful.
See you in 2025 and 2027 for updates on the demonstrators
>If by "best" you mean "most powerful" it would be the M-53P2 (dry: 64.7 kN (14,500 lbf)/wet:95.1 kN (21,400 lbf) mounted on Mirage 2000 (the M88 on Rafale is less powerful)
Japan's been operating XF9-1 since 2018 with a dry thrust of 107.9kN and wet 147.1kN, which will be something like 130/200 kN for production model. This is arguably the only 5/6th generation class fighter engine produced outside of the US. GCAP is going to have at least this level of engine, and they are working on further improved joint engines.
Also the orange ellipse on the chart is the thrust level Japan set for their 6th gen engine (production model F9) before GCAP. Shows how moronic the asiaticshill delusion of F414 equipped KF-21 becoming a real 5th or 6th gen is.
Yup, the US has F119, F135, XA100/102 and XA101.
Japan has XF9
China has WS-10 (depends on the version but ~20k lbf dry thrust and ~30k lbf wet thrust)
Russia has Saturn AL-41F1
>IHI and RR building an engine together
I can only get so erect
France is ahead of the UK + Japan + Italy combined in fighter jet technologies, that is why GCAP would have more credibility with Germany/Spain replacing Japan, as UK+Germany+Spain+Italy is the team that developed the eurofighter which is essentially the same as the rafale but even then:
France = UK + Germany + Italy + Spain in fighter jet program capabilities
Again, why are you saying these things about France?
>France, that didn't produce a 5th gen (or even take part in one), lacks the key technologies, and can't even produce a 6th gen engine
>somehow they will build a 6th gen whilst all these countries which have the tech can't
asiaticshill is now hiding behind France, now that SK has been so utterly eviscerate the past couple of threads. And to be fair I'm not throwing shade on France, none of the countries mentioned could produce a 6th gen on their own. That's why they're all collaborating in some capacity.
Not to burst your bubble, but Japan will begin flying their FTB for GCAP this year. Equivalent to Lockmart's CATBird used to develop F-35 avionics. Also they will procure the first set of engines for GCAP and likely test fly them this year too.
https://www.jwing.net/news/4842
https://www.mod.go.jp/atla/souhon/pdf_choutatsuyotei/10_koukuu_r05.pdf
The first link you provided is too old to really be accurate at this point since they're in GCAP now and no longer doing their own domestic jet.
The 2nd link depending on when it was published could still be accurate I guess, though I fricking hate referencing japanese MoD shit since they use the Japanese calender for most of the dates and I never remember how to convert it.
>The first link you provided is too old to really be accurate at this point since they're in GCAP now and no longer doing their own domestic jet.
The first article talks about work on the project starting in 2019 with test flights beginning in 2023. With the 2nd link showing that the airframe will be delivered this year. Regardless of when GCAP was signed, Japan and the UK have been working together a lot longer. For example the GCAP radar system JAGUAR has been in development since 2018 which is the primary sensor suite being tested on the FTB. As for the engine at the very least RR and IHI have been codeveloping for around 1 year while building off the base of the XF9 and subsequent years of work Japan has put in before 2022, so it's not out of the realm that there would be an improved design ready later this year.
>The 2nd link depending on when it was published could still be accurate I guess, though I fricking hate referencing japanese MoD shit since they use the Japanese calender for most of the dates and I never remember how to convert it.
The 2nd link was published like 2 days ago. The current JP calendar year is Reiwa 5. It just shows that the FTB and test engine for GCAP will be procured this year.
>building off the base of the XF9
Source? Tempest bros always tell me they're using a RR engine that specifically isn't the XF9.
Nta but I'm fairly certain it's going to be a new engine built by both companies
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/dsei-japan-2023-ihi-rolls-royce-progress-gcap-fighter-engine
Yeah but it's likely the XF9 base as it was designed to be a relatively narrow cross-section engine and was achieving solid dry and wet thrust performance back in 2018. Whereas RR simply had simulated designs, nothing that had run as far as they've released at least. So the XF9 would be a good base to work from, see what RR can offer that would be better than what japan was doing with the XF9, try to improve performance from the 2018 results, etc.
Unless RR has some revolutionary design they simply haven't mentioned before, I don't see any other choice.
>Pic rel is the XG240 that RR was proposing.
Here was the most recent model of the GCAP engine shown at DSEI with an XF9 core
https://www.jwing.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/0317ihi1-w.jpg
vs official renders of the XF9
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ihi-delivers-japans-fighter-engine-prototype
It's also not simply a reused old model as the exhaust area has been redesigned to cover the hinges of IHI's 3D TVC nozzle system
https://twitter.com/Yuuno_G4312/status/1062289661333188608/photo/2
team tempest bros...
I mean the most obvious indicator should be that it's Japan procuring the engines for tests not the UK.
Yeah but Rolls Royce is a household name and has been a staple of British aviation for decades, how could some dumb jap company make a better engine?
Obviously, I'm kidding but that's how some of the Tempest threads sound over the last few months.
Do people really downplay nip involvement in GCAP? For what purpose do they think merged the projects?
Unironically on this board you'll be told that GCAP is simply a way for the UK to get japanese funding for the BAE Tempest, and at most the Japanese will be involved in some workshare stuff and minor electronics work, as well as the JNAAM missile and the JAGUAR radar.
I've even been told GCAP is simply a name for the Japanese to feel better since it's ultimately still Tempest at the heart.
I hate how wrapped up in nationalism this shit gets. I'm happy to be working with the nips and the pasta people tbh. I hope we can get the Swedes onboard too.
Yeah anyone looking at it objectively can see japan has a LOT to bring to the table beyond just the budget and political will.
One purpose only: yen albeit the japanese currency has been about as valuable as a sudanese pound for the past few years but yeah its the only reason why they were invited into gcap which itself again as everybody knows is just a way for the uk to get access to ngad
>Tempestgay vs asiaticshill.
Yeah I like where this is going.
Korea probably only has a market too “non-aligned countries” like India or Vietnam who want 5th Gen , can’t buy from china , but are to stuck up to buy American. It’ll probably end up being as or more expensive than the f-35 but much less capable
KF-21 will require US permission for any sale since it's basically an american jet they're letting korea build.
KAI is a publicly traded company, their investor presentations claim a target of 1000+ FA50s and 1000+ KF21s, both with NATO considered a core market, this is why both Dassault and Airbus are desperately trying to partner with KAI to be their "guys on the ground" in Europe
Wanst it built by Lockheed but with Korean electronics? Whyre they ok with them exporting it and potentially messing with their f35 sales?
KF21 is 60% ROK, 37% US, 3% UK and Israel in terms of components, design is all KAI but with support from LM to be a mini-F22 raptor
This math only works if you take things like the GE engine being produced in Korea = 100% Korean, even though it's a US design leased to Korea to produce.
Korea making 6th gen fighters is a joke.
The engine inside the KF-21? It’s a licensed copy of a American jet.
Only America , uk , France , Russia and recently china (after boatloads of money , decades of time , just to reach Russias capability in 1991) have the ability to design and manufacture fighter engines
This could not be further from reality. Currently only the US has a proper 6th program.
Next are China and Russia if their claims are to be believed but most likely there will be a massive quality/performance gap with the US., Russian state of country speaks for themselves they are increasingly less relevant in weapons tech and even countries like India won't touch Russian stuff anymore
ROK is next partially due to close alignment with the US/LM, the engine is US but there is no other nation that is realistically close on a 6th gen platform, in fact military analyst specifically indicate that the KF21 "design" is ideally suited for evolving to a 6th gen, something that KAI has publicly stated they are already developing in earnest, the iwb meme is a joke, its considered low tech, the real tech advanced is in the stealth/AI integration - SK is a top 2 country in AI technology globally
UK is excellent at certain keys components to include the engine but has no ability or experience in a full fighter jet platform
France has effectively conceded they are way behind, the ceo has already stated this publicly many times that they simply do not have the scale or technology yet to realistically developed 6th gen before the 2050s
There are no other countries beyond these with a proper advanced fighter jet program
The poster count once again didn’t go up, just for the viewers at home
>listing the UK alone without their partners
>below korea
All you need to see to know this anon is full of shit.
GCAP would have a lot more credibility if it was the UK + Italy + Germany + Spain but UK + Italy + Japan almost guarantees massive coordination issues, Japan is notorious for not working well with other nations to an extent that when the F16 was licensed to Japan they effectively doubled the costs with their own modifications and in the process made it worse, its almost guaranteed that the UK and Japan will butt heads massively and odds are this teamup will break apart (keep in mind the UK was a huge influencer in nuking Japan)
As reference the eurofighter program took about 30 years from where the gcap program is today to when the eurofighter became operational
>Japan has basically zero history with foreign collaboration except for being almost forced to buy american jets which they took and redesigned to fit what they actually wanted to buy in the first place.
>this is proof japan is impossible to work with
have a nice day asiaticshill, you aren't even hiding your biases at this point you're just blatantly making shit up and hoping people buy it.
>keep in mind the UK was a huge influencer in nuking Japan
First of all ESL, secondly this is some asiaticcope fuddlore, thirdly it’s obvious you’re not white because I can promise neither the UK nor Japan is even thinking about these things at all when talking about this program, no one in the west would. We don’t give a frick about WWII, unlike asiatics who can’t stop seething because they’re brown at heart.
The rest of your post is gay and moronic, asiatic. Go spam in your tonk thread.
Both japan and the UK spent most of 2022 agreeing on the basic core requirements for GCAP, the only reason GCAP exists now is BECAUSE they already made those agreements and have set them in stone.
What does an article from 2 months before GCAP existed have to do with the current situation?
Japan was offered the Lockheed treatment on an upgraded F-22 airframe (SK was offered a scaled-down F-22 without the fancy stealth tech) and Japan said no thanks. Supposedly an updated YF-23 might've been offered by Northrop to japan as well but they were similarly turned down.
The idea that the KF-21 is somehow better than what japan can do is laughable, japan was offered a BETTER jet than the KF-21 from Lockheed and turned the offer down so they could work on GCAP instead.
Even you don't believe this bullshit, remember we nuked japan twice and plaza accorded them when they got a little uppity again, we don't even let their land forces train with proper rounds or shells
>if I just keep insisting my fantasy is real hard enough then it will actually come true one day
that's not how reality works, even if you convince yourself, you're not gonna convince nation-states.
Ai doesn’t matter in this debate.
Explain to me how Korea will manufacture a 6th gen fighter (with a engine) despite the fact the Korea right now doesn’t have the capability to indigenously design or manufacture a engine for an aircraft like the F-16.
I’m not shitting on Korean engineering here but what your saying is ridiculous
The entire MIC industry considers the US, China, Russia, France and South Korea as the ONLY nations with advanced fighter jet programs, full stop
>The entire MIC industry
Okay, go ahead and find me ANY major MIC industry representative that says japan is behind south Korea.
Go ahead find me a single fricking one who will say it on record.
Find a single person in MIC that thinks japan is even within a decade of South Korea, you are so clueless on the modern miltech landscape its obvious that only a weeb troony would think this just like you think if you put she/her as your pronouns on your nametag that people will really believe your bullshit
>MIC industry
ESL
S
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No they fricking don’t you fricking cretin.
>Russia
Russia is fricking done for as a major aviation player
>France
No fifth gen fighter program, 6th gen fighter program due by the late 2040s
>china
Still 20 years behind the f-35, 40 years behind in engine technology, no actual stealth design experience
>Korea
I am once again asking to to explain where the Korean 6th gen fighter engines will come from
Listen homosexual these are the ONLY countries that have advanced fighter jet program capabilities:
Tier 1: US
Tier 2: ROK
Tier 3: France
Questionable tier: China, Russia
Elite components but no full program: UK and Israel
That's it, there is not a single nation outside of the above that have a advanced fighter jet program unless you include Turkey, India and Sweden, every other country is a niche/components producer at best
>Tier 2: ROK
How can you even say this with a straight face?
They have NEVER domestically produced a fighter jet alone, ever.
Not once.
> F35 was developed by the US + 11 other countries
So the US can't developed a fighter jet because they worked with several other countries?
You are a fricking idiot
Come on now, the F-22 was developed at the same time by the US alone.
Pray tell, what south Korean jet are they making 100% domestically right now?
There is not a single airframe that was developed completely solo in the history of avionics you fricking homosexual
Sixty one
L2memearrow, asiaticshill
Full
Blow
Meltdown
The biggest competitor to ROK aviation industry is the Czech Republic with their L-39, which roughly matches whatever the asiatics can produce
This troony weeb is having a suicide meltdown lmfao
If your job was to make me hate south Korea, Russia, Iran, and france even more than I already did. Job well done.
Sixty
One
Seconds
This. There are close to 100 posts itt already and only 12 discrete posters, weeb is imploding
Yup, he's even counting the seconds between posts too lmfao
Well when you make it so fricking obvious, why shouldn't we?
Just like when you post images you always use the same shitty screenshot tool to give you the same stupid file name EVERY fricking time.
I posts 3 times to include this -->
Kys
First of all ESL
Second of all please be less obvious when you lie, asiaticshill. We all know why there’s a sixty one second gap between posts
For those curious, go look for that exact image in the archive and then check the file names
I'm convinced he's a chink that is trying to get the world to hate japan
he just keeps going
holy shit, this is honestly getting hilarious
Sixty one
Sixty one
Does he not know?
Its quite simple really.
Countries that are able to completely design, engineer and produce a modern fighter jet: USA, Russia, China, France.
Countries that can provide crucial components to a modern fighter jet: UK, Israel.
Countries that can or could build their "own" modern fighter by heavily relying on key foreign components: Japan, Korea, Sweden, India(?), Turkey(?)
France literally does not have a sixth gen program and have no fifth gen fighters
Why the frick are you shilling for France at every turn? No hate to the French but it’s bizarre that they’re on your asiaticy shill list
How can anyone realistically rate ROK above based Chinks here?
Because he's delusional and can't help himself
Not op, but go to South Korra, and then go to China and it'll start to seem pretty realistic.
> he hasn't figured out that LM and KAI are effectively the same
>LM and KAI are same
>discord spacing
>France has effectively conceded they are way behind, the ceo has already stated this publicly many times that they simply do not have the scale or technology yet to realistically developed 6th gen before the 2050s
It is not a question of scale or technology, but financing. The reason France is seeking to cooperate with Spain and Germany is money, nothing more. France could theoretically build its own 5th/6th gen (god I hate this marketing buzzword), but I would bleed their defense budget dry.
>UK is excellent at certain key components, including the engine, but has no ability or experience in a full fighter jet platform
Anon please. They would never make them alone anyway, but they've been effectively balls deep in both the F35 and Eurofighter recently, as well a several programs before that, and they're chasing a 5th gen right now alongside Japan.
That is why they will be first in line for the ngad, beyond the united anglosphere nations both the US and UK have precisely the same global agenda as far as world order going back to ww2, they love the same countries, hate the same countries, and keeps the same countries on a short leash and at times its difficult to tell where the source of the sentiment originally comes from whether the US or the UK
While they are politically aligned, they can't be subservient economically anon. They have to make money on these systems, and thus can't and wont "just buy American" unless they're a significant part of the development and manufacturing process.
MIC is US territory, the US lets the UK is allowed to make money on banking, financial markets and insurance not in MIC
You are literally moronic, that's not how economies work.
Even from a US POV you don't want unilateral control over it either since you might end up self reinforcing bad designs and doctrine, having multiple allied competing MIC's keeps them all on their toes, all competing, and all ready for what their enemies have to throw at them.
The problem with this is that protectionism kicks in and actively helps bad actors, or ruins the fitness of the system. I will use an example from the other thread related to this one from yesterday: SpaceX.
SpaceX has completely cornered the entire global launch market due to their capacity, success rate, and pricing. As a consequence, the only companies that still exist at this point are either ones with heritage technologies and deep ties to the government due to decades of lobbying and provide do nothing jobs to military and political allies once they leave their current posts. There will never, for instance, be a case where Ariane Group or United Launch Alliance are dissolved because they are de facto nationalized firms due to the very nature of their partnerships with the government(s). So, even if we got into a world where SpaceX was literally launching 90% of the Western world's payloads, there would still remain 10% that went to companies like ULA and Ariane who would be paid extraordinary sums of money to provide an objectively worse, and less set of vehicles because they know that they don't have to do better, and their real job is to just hoover up government funding to provide jobs to contractors.
The proof, is as they say, in the pudding.
>The US lets the UK do X
I'm sorry anon but the UK does what it wants for the most part. It's a sovereign nation that aligns itself with the US and often trade deep favours, they work together all over the world, but it's not subservient to it. Geopolitically they are aligned, but economically they have more ties to Europe and China than the US.
Weird opinion you have, it's rather rare that Americans would think of the UK as a slave state, Germany or Japan maybe but not the UK. You sure you're not from some third world nation obsessed with dominance and subservience?
> just to reach Russias capability in 1991
If you're talking about the mig-31, keep in mind it's too heavy and un-maneuverable to be used as an air superiority fighter, in addition to it's engines' extremely short life span.
Frick off asiaticshill
You are too obvious on an anonymous forum and every time you post its immediately discarded due to your complete lack of credibility troony
KEK he finally resorted to posting it
And he still hasn’t changed the filename. Bless his heart
Lmfao you are a) the most easily identifiable poster on /k and b) have the absolute worst credibility on /k which is saying a lot since this board is specifically geared towards trolling
>/k
>/k
>4.5 gen stealth larp (doesn't even have IWBs lmao) that won't even be mass produced until the 30s (when GCAP and NGAD enter service) will somehow dominate the market
For backwards thirdies who can't afford anything better, maybe. As it stands the fact asiatics take so much pride in a project so shit tier even the nips rejected it is hilarious.
Figured out why he loves this rag
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/
hahahahahaha
HAHAHA
it’s cited by Russian state media
Based out of Iran
And written by a pajeet living in England
All while being shilled by a asiatic
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
> European countries are not expected to produce a next generation fighter until the 2040s at best, by which time China and the United States are expected to long since have begun fielding sixth generation fighters
GCAP sisters time to neck
It's a fricking blog site written by some grad student who claims to be an expert, it's half russiatoday parroting and half made up bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Agency_Network_of_Korea
Holy shit. Is this actually real?
>ROK producing a 6th or even 7th gen aircraft
>when they can't even produce a 5th gen with LM, the leading aerospace company on the fricking planet holding their hand
>meanwhile this conglomerate of nations with all the tech, experience and funding necessary and a project hitting it's goals well within timeline? Umm it'll just be delayed 20+ years for some unknown reason
>source? get fricked we don't need that here
This reads like a 15 year olds blogpost lmao
>This reads like a 15 year olds blogpost lmao
Worse it's an assblasted thirdie.
Yup, probably the only anon on /k that everybody knows, let me guess you get bullied a lot irl?
So am I to understand VANK is now pro-russia/Iran?
Fricking asiatics don't know how to appreciate western hegemony.
-58385304(you)
>France is ahead of the UK + Japan + Italy
>Fields no 5th Generations
>Not. A. Single. One.
>Even Russia has a boujee "5th" Generation fighter they throw around once in a while
I'm so glad I don't have to shill for France.
>Military Watch
Yeah, I'll take sources besides an Iranian zigger fifth columnist in the UK.
Still more credible than you, at this point /k already knows that whenever you post that the opposite is likely the case
>/k
Dude, come on. At least try to blend in. How have you still not figured this out?
That was my first post in the thread, schizo
Also
>/k
Woowoowoowoo redditor detected
Nobody believes your shitty powerpoint troony
https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php
> Screenshot 2023-05-30 at 12.37.51 PM.png
> Screenshot 2023-05-30 at 12.39.25 PM.png
do you get paid for this?
>He strategically cropped it to avoid showing his enemy Japan has bigger dicks
Ononono Koreantrannies how will we cope with his.
Bongs, Swedes and maybe Belgians are some of the only nations trust not to fudge it because of how their statisticians work.
The rest are all self reported homosexualry.
>FCAS/GCAP considered a complete joke and analyst expect these jets will be 5.5 gen but still not operational until the 2050
funny how these experts can make predictions about equipment that has not a single publicly available specification or requirement, kek
Its an Iranian
KF21 Block III already in development, only behind the NGAD in development process
Kek he doesn’t learn
You mean it might actually get an internal weapons bay in the 2030s, finally living up to the 5th gen label? Implessive.
Just a shame that GCAP will be entering service in the same time frame. Might be why Japan said no to the deal asiatics so happily lapped up lmao.
The difference between KF21 Block III and the GCAP is that the KF21 Block III is actually real
>if I pretend it isn't real it can't hurt me
Keep coping asiaticshill. Your 4.5 gen stealth larp will be obsoleted before it even lives up to it's label.
asiaticshill is great. Always shills for Korea vaporware, posts the same image with the same filename every time, still cannot into basic shit to hide that he doesn’t use PrepHole, mediocre English, doesn’t know about post delays and time stamps, replies to himself, and generally always thinks he’s super clever and sneaky and acts like no one can tell. Way better than armatard, who is much more liable to try and nuke the board and who has much greater stamina for flooding and the intelligence to actually somewhat disguise himself
Second favorite spergshill, just behind the seething Indonesia who hates malayshit and ausfailia
Lmfao
Filename
61
>KF-21
>4th gen jet
>120 (planned) by 2032
What's the point of this when sixth gen aircraft are already in development?
> 120 (planned) by 2032
a breakdown of those makes it even more embarrassing
40 of them are Block I which can only do Air to Air missions.
another 80 are Block II which adds Air to Ground capability
Block III should be sometime after 2032, likely another order of 80 for 200 total KF-21s. They will then likely try to replace the early Block I and IIs with another Block III order, or a Block IV order if they have enough changes/upgrades to be worth a whole new Block.
It's a glorified jobs programme. Think Tejas but Korean
> But the United States was reluctant to support “Japan-led development” and technology transfer, Japan chose the United Kingdom as a joint development partner for its next-generation fighter aircraft.
> Many contentious issues are expected to arise in the GCAP program, including negotiations over development initiatives, operations, specifications, the sharing of development costs, technology transfer, scheduling and production sharing.
https://asiatimes.com/2023/05/japans-fighter-jet-ambitions-soaring-with-gcap/
UK approved GBP 656 million for the GCAP with another GBP 1.3 billion to be approved for funding
Meanwhile, ROK just approved another $3.4 billion for 6th gen development
https://www.kedglobal.com/aerospace-defense/newsView/ked202303170026
>ROK just approved another $3.4 billion for 6th gen development
Korea doesn't even have a 6th gen project, they don't even have a 5th gen aircraft. Cease this cope.
The moron coping is you, ROK is moving forward at lightspeed locked arms with the US, Japan is mired in its typical 1980s bureaucracy faller ever behind and already surpassed by the chinks no less, all the while you are still plowing your "boihole" with that xxl black dildo your mother bought you for your birthday lmfao
>typical 1980s bureaucracy faller ever behind
ESL
61
>we're actually totally about to build a 6th gen even though we can't build a 5th despite LM basically doing it for us
>meanwhile these countries that have all the technological know-how totally won't and can't nuh uh
COPE.
>all the while you are still plowing your "boihole" with that xxl black dildo your mother bought you for your birthday lmfao
Trust a asiatic to word vomit degeneracy unprompted. Disgusting.
By your moronic logic:
japan can't even build a 3rd gen since the only operational plane they ever produced was the zero
the uk can't produce anything since the only plane was the spitfire
you actually make france look really good as they actually did develop a reasonably decent fighter largely independently
>PLEASE stop pointing out that we can't build a 5th gen even with LM!
No.
Bless the asiatic, he’s trying his best and will t give up
18 seconds lmfao too obvious homosexual
I won't even bother with a screenshot but cooldown on /k/ is like a minute
All because he doesn’t understand why people keep saying 61 to him
> people lmfao
There are 162 posts on this thread already and only 20 posters, 130+ posts are you having a meltdown homosexual
LMFAO
$3.4B by 2032, meanwhile GCAP is expected to hit $10B by the 2030s.
also it's ALL areas of investment, he mentions 6th generation technologies, but that doesn't mean $3.4B is earmarked for that specifically.
> "We will focus on R&D of sixth-generation fighter jets, transport aircraft and AAVs to achieve our mid- to long-term vision,” he said.
The $3.4 billion is simply the latest round of investments that have been approved moron, GCAP has probably 10% of the investment approved by the UK, Japan budget is meaningless as they have no real tech, the program is a UK lead program with funding support from Japan and Italy, so only the UK investments mean anything, if the UK drops this program by getting access to NGAD this program ends immediately
> Many contentious issues are expected to arise in the GCAP program, including negotiations over development initiatives, operations, specifications, the sharing of development costs, technology transfer, scheduling and production sharing.
Having been involved inside Japanese boardrooms I can tell you that this is going to be a nightmare for the Brits, particularly since the UK actually has advanced engine technology and its almost certain that Japan will push for technology transfer
>particularly since the UK actually has advanced engine technology
lol such as?
The XF9 actually ran (
&
), what modern military jet engine has RR actually run?
The world's second largest supplier of engines in the defence sector?
Yes, and the highest-performance fighter jet engine they produce is the EJ200
The DID have the F136 in the early 2000s, but AFAIK a lot of the core was GE anyway.
>bongs taking the US’s scraps. Frick that’s funny
Can you homosexualS stop using so many fricking acronyms? what the frick is an GCAP or an iwb???
>GCAP
Global Combat Air Programme, multi national 6th gen fighter program with the UK, Italy and Japan (and maybe Sweden?)
>IWB
Internal weapons bay.
Global combat air program
Internal weapons bay
Future combat air system
Next generation Air dominance
BAE/MHI/IHI/KAI/LM are all manufacturers of various military items.
Countries with jet fighter development:
1. US
2. ROK
3. UK/Germany/Italy/Spain in combination
4. France
5. Russia
6. China
7. Sweden
8. Turkey
9. India
That's it
>2. ROK
Why? They can't even produce a 5th gen whilst having Lockheed Martin hold their hand. They'll be lucky if it's passable by the mid 2030s, by which time it'll be obsoleted into irrelevance by the debuting 6th gens.
In fairness the power gap between 1 and 2 is oceanic, but otherwise the list is accurate, its not necessarily that rok is "that good" but more that there really is nobody else as competition
Sure, but easily you can put china, UK, japan, France, Russia, and sweden ahead of them.
SK is quickly improving and when the KF-21 is available it may well put them up in the top 5, but for now they're not.
>In fairness the power gap between 1 and 2 is oceanic
True.
>otherwise the list is accurate
No. Setting your sights on a 5th gen (which you couldn't even produce domestically) whilst the rest of the developed world is producing 6th gens in the same time frame is absolutely cause for embarrassment. ROK shouldn't be in the top 5, let alone the top 3.
> whilst the rest of the developed world is producing 6th gens operational no earlier than the 2050s but most likely never
> US will be at 7th gen by that time and ROK will be at 6th gen by the mid 2030s
> Even China is ahead of everybody else
You still don't get it
US is the sole advanced jet technology power
US through the LM + KAI relationship IS transferring key technologies to ROK
China has STOLEN certain technologies from the US that they are using to develop their planes
So the common link is that all roads to advanced jet technology lead to the US, everything else is cope that will be 2 or 3 gens behind whatever the US has
>whilst the rest of the developed world is producing 6th gens operational no earlier than the 2050s but most likely never
>he thinks if he keeps repeating it it makes it true
COPE.
>and ROK will be at 6th gen by the mid 2030s
SK will be lucky to be 5th gen by the 2030s, if their 4.5 gen stealth larp can mature into anything more than the embarrassment it is as present. The fact you think in the same time frame they'll pull a 6th gen out of their ass is laughable, and demonstrates the level of delusion present in asiaticshills.
> Eurofighter development cycle 30+ years
> KF21 development cycle 13 years
SK is already 0.5 gen ahead of every nation other than the US, but the gap is widening
GCAP and FCAS will be 5.5 gen in the 2050s
KF21 will be 6th gen in the 2030s and 7th gen in the 2040s
Why do you even continues these threads? The people arguing with you don't believe you, and you get so BTFO in these threads the only moron you'd convince besides yourself is already slurping the koolaid over in /misc/ anyway so you don't need to bother shilling this shit here anyway.
I just don't understand what drives you to keep posting when it's obvious from any objective outside perspective you're just an assblasted asiaticshill.
Why do you keep talking to yourself when you know that you are 150+ posts out of this 193 post thread troony?
>SK being piggybacked by LM
>still can't produce a 5th gen fighter, MIGHT have one in the mid 2030s
>meanwhile GCAP is on track and on schedule to debut in the mid 2030s
You cannot reconcile this. The fact Japan will launch their 6th gen in the same time frame Korea will achieve 5th has broken you.
>GCAP and FCAS will be 5.5 gen in the 2050s
There is no reason to believe this beyond you being asshurt and needing to cope.
>KF21 will be 6th gen in the 2030s and 7th gen in the 2040s
And once again we have utterly departed from reality. KF21 might be 5th gen if they can resolve the iwb issue, but then again maybe not.
You really are a broken troony knowing that ROK will be at 7th gen by the 2050s and Japan will produce a a few prototypes of 5.5 gen by that time and end up by US fighters that are 2 generations behind per their playbook since the nukes, you think that your barely comprehensible b***hing is doing anything other than making you look more like a deluded moron, there are trillions of dollars being invested in the MIC and you have no claim or influence over even a single cent, just a weeb troony "boihole" dildoing yourself with that xxl black dildo with the plastic katana handle your mother gave to you for your 40th birthday present
Lmgayo
Buck broken asiatic
We broke the troony weeb /k lmfao
>/k
>we
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>You really are a broken troony knowing that ROK will be at 7th gen by the 2050s
7th gen isn't even defined you coping tard. The fact is the KF-21 at present isn't 5th gen, and the upgrades necessary to cross that boundary aren't going to be integrated or produced until at least the early-mid 2030s. You keep insisting that GCAP is going to be delivered 20 years behind schedule whilst also underperforming significantly, yet can't substantiate either claim. You keep insisting key technologies are lacking yet can't provide any specifics, you keep insisting SK is going to produce 6th and 7th gen aircraft in the same time frame yet can't provide evidence of a program to that effect let alone the technology necessary to achieve it. Everything you say is empty, unsubstantiated and posted solely to help you cope with the fact Japan turned down a deal you think is going to propel SK to the front of the pack, whilst the reality couldn't be further from that. Once again, COPE.
> 7th gen isn't even defined
This alone shows how out of the loop you are in MIC, there are investor presentations from LM and KAI that clearly outline the roadmap to 8th gen let alone 7th gen, typically wall street analyst probably know more about fighter jets than anybody here lmfao
Define 7th gen aircraft then. Also
>ignoring the rest of the post
I accept your concession.
It's how he operates in all of these shill threads, ignores any solid evidence that disproves something he says and simply says bold faced lies to prop up his own argument with no evidence and when you ask for it he just says you're obviously not up to date with the "industry" or he knows some MIC "analysts" that are in the know and tell him secrets.
It's all bullshit.
Samegay you are shitting up this board its probably the lowest quality board on 4ch because of your spamming
>still can't define 7th gen
>still can't refute the post
>responds with tired accusations of samegaygery
I accept your concession.
>with almost 30 posters in the thread everyone who replies to me HAS to be the same poster
Lmao
Hypersonic with low outer orbit capabilities, AI integration + potentially unmanned/no human operations, laser weapons with ultra-range capable to intercepting traditional missiles almost instantaneously, etc.
>random assortment of emerging tech
Yes we know 7th gen will be using new technologies. Word vomiting the most eye-catching among them doesn't suffice though.
>AI integration + potentially unmanned/no human operations, laser CIWS
all of these were slated for integration in 6th gen systems
Battleship hulls, full racks of neutron launchers, psi shields, jump drives, sentient combat computer, enigmatic decryptor.
>still unrefuted
Imagine how much better 6th gen threads would be if asiatics didn't melt down and shit the bed every time they're posted.
Imagine how much better your mother's life would be if you killed yourself
>asiatic illustrates my point by shitting the bed and melting down immediately in response
Pottery
Imagine if people stopped using buzzwords like 5th and 6th gen
>i don't know the relevant terminology therefore it's all buzzwords
5th gen characteristics were quite literally invented by LM marketing teams while shilling the F22 (and they backpedaled afterwards when the F35 didn't meet all of them)
that's semantics and not really the point
Even if you want to use an overarching term like "Next generation" to encompass all currently in development 5th+ gen fighters, that doesn't take away from the point which is asiatics come into all of these threads and start shitting it up about the KF-21 despite it being at LEAST a decade away from being 5th gen, if it ever gets there. It's just a pure shill distraction tactic from the actual discussion (GCAP/FCAS/NGAD/F/A-XX/etc)
there's frick all to know about fcas or gcap, but netiehr will be made anyway
This. UK will be first in line to get ngad which will end the gcap discussions
NGAD will never be exported a la the F-22. That's why every relevant nation is either participating in or expressing interest in GCAP or FCAS.
UK has already been told NGAD isn't getting exported, and it's why they're investing so much into GCAP.
Lmfao, Russia/Ukraine almost guarantees that the UK will get the ngad, maybe a few years behind the US but not far behind
Basic US geopolitics is that the core US outposts are:
Europe: UK
Asia: South Korea
Middle East: Israel
In europe, Russia plays the role of useful idiot for the US as an ever-present threat to continental Europe to disabuse any notion of Europe going its own away outside of the US sphere to form their own sphere, this is why the UK was pressured to leave the EU
In asia, China and Japan are the useful idiots and the US doctrine is to keep both nations contained, for most of the post-ww2 period Japan was the bad guy and the entire reason why China was allowed to grow massively by the US was primarily to counter-Japanese influence in cheap labor, now China is in the crosshairs, etc., South Korea is massively armed and supported as the "UK" of asia as a culturally western aligned nation (ROK is even Christian unlike Buddhist China and Japan)
In the middle east, Israel is really the only nation that is aligned with western culture and the other nations are too culturally foreign and antithetical to US ideals, in fact Saudi Arabia and Japan actually share many similarities in terms of how the US treats both nations from a diplomacy perspective, both non-Christian nations that cling to their traditional non-western cultures and have a reasonably large budget to buy US goods
Nope, if that were happening the UK wouldn't have agreed to merge tempest and F-X into GCAP to begin with.
If the US has JUST decided this within the last few months, then it's still highly unlikely as the UK has still already invested too much into GCAP at this point to cancel unless the US is giving them a fantastic deal, which they're not.
The UK is playing Japan, Italy will just go along with whatever they can get, the UK has approved nominal amounts to the GCAP program, no where enough at this pace to develop a 5.5 gen by 2100s let alone 2050s, but the UK excels in certain components to include in the F35, they will get approved for some US fighter better than the F35 before the rest of NATO while also contributing to the US effort as a core ally, the anglosphere is probably more geopolitically unified than say russia or china, and the russia/ukraine incident has further strengthened this union
Lmao you're basing all of this off of your own head-canon there isn't a single reliable source in the world you can point to that would say what you're saying here.
Stupids and their planes lol
USA shouldve not scrapped the SLRC program and shouldve built thousands of them and placed them all in japan and south korea. China would be fricked if we had every major coastal area pre-sighted and marked for non-nuclear, good ol'fashioned arty round obliteration at the press of a button
Takeshima always has been, and will always be rightful Japanese soil
> japanese just like argies crying they got butts kicked in falklands/dokto
Honshu is Korean clay
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doesn't get old
Look how butthurt they get over a few islands with a total area of 46 acres.
I guess this is why ROK occupies Dokto
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1663637702963494914
Sorta related, its a Chinese jet intercepting a US plane in South China Sea
Sakhalin is Korean clay
Sakhalin's capital Yuzhno Sakhalinsk is already controlled by ethnic Koreans
This is why native japanese are too scared shitless to do anything, they live in a state of terror from being occupied by US troops and zainichi Koreans
https://japantoday.com/category/features/opinions/my-very-brief-fight-with-a-yakuza
Richest person in Japan and Kazakhstan
Top fighter jets:
1. F35 (US)
2. J20 (China)
3. F22 (US)
4. KF21 (South Korea)
5. SU57 (Russia)
6. FC31 (China)
7. F15EX (US)
8. Typhoon (UK/Germany/Italy'Spain)
9. Rafale (France)
10. SU35 (Russia)
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/top-10-most-advanced-fighter-jets-in-2023
1. F-2 (Japan)*
If i'm being unbiased I'd say
1. F-35
2. F-22
3. J-20
4. F-2
5. F-15EX
6. F-16V
7. FC-31
8. Su-57
9. F-15E/J/K
10. Rafale/Typhoon/Gripen
11. F-16C
move the F-2 behind the F-16V and i'd agree
> F2 is widely considered the worst US derivative fighter and not NATO compliant, its realistically below the gripen and fa50, about on par with the tejas and same with the tejas why not a single country would take it even for free
The F2 is so bad that there have been 3 pilot walkouts/strikes in Japan due to safety concerns such as the wienerpit canopy falling off mid-flight, blowing up on take-off, blowing up on landing, etc.
>The F2 is so bad
Then why can't you post a single article about it?
>i'm not quoting any source i'm just putting my own opinion into greentext with no evidence to support it
FA50 over 300 already operating with orders for another 700 to include the USAF and will be among the most ubiquitous fighter jets in the skies for the next several decades with over 1000 operating by 2030 and probably double that before retired
F2 less than 50 ever operated and begrudgingly by the japanese only, even tried to sell to taiwan but the taiwanese took a hard pass
>FA50 over 300 already operating
lol what?
By last count the Philippines had 12 delivered, Poland had 48 on order but not delivered, Malaysia with 18 on order but not delivered and SK had 60 delivered.
That makes 72 in service today, with another 66 on the way.
Even if you include T-50 trainer variants and all the yet-to-be-delivered T-50s and FA-50s, in total you get ~251 airframes.
Still ~50 short of your "300 already operating"
>F2 less than 50 ever operated
They have 98 of them...
do you just make things up in your head before posting and just think "meh, good enough"?
Also Japan has never offered the F-2 to Taiwan, that's delusional and you can't find a single reliable source for that bullshit since it never happened.
Why do you lie? You realize you are easily identifiable and have no credibility on /k
Wow, it's ALMOST like they have trainer aircraft in their inventory too. And 62 is STILL more than 50 you dumb asiaticBlack person. They've also got the two F-2A and two F-2B prototypes.
Also a few were damaged beyond repair in the big earthquake.
We broke the troony weeb /k
You know you fricked up japan's image when anytime any japan related is on /k everybody piles on accusing the poster to be a troony weeb
>/k
at this point I have to assume this is some kind of moronic act
Or this one you fricking homosexual troony? lmfao
God I enjoy getting you so worked up over this shit, it's so fricking obvious you're just a mentally ill homosexual cuck, I really hope your LARP about being half jap that was pimped out is true because that would really just make it so fricking poetic.
You are getting trolled so hard without realizing there are a bunch of teenagers likely posting this to trigger you fricking weeb while they are high and laughing their asses off on your meltdowns
Including this one? lmfao
Nope, put back into service, why would you write off a $100M+ jet because of a minor problem?
How about this you fricking cum aficionado? There are hundreds, lmfao
Now show me when the pilots supposedly went on strike 3 times.
>3 accidents
>0 fatalities
vs
T-50
>6 accidents
>7 FA-50 fatalities
KF-16
>10 accidents
>2 fatailities
The KF-16 one is even more funny because the pilot who died's father also died in a jet crash.
https://www.donga.com/en/article/all/20070723/254168/1
Let's see how long until the KF-21 prototypes claim a asiatic life.
The only country that has an F35 pilot fatality is obviously...Japan...lmfao
In contrast there were worse incidents with the US, UK and ROK pilots
US too many to list but all pilots survived
UK likely drunk pilot drove an F35 off the deck of a carrier suffering the indignation of having to be rescued by the Italian navy
ROK an F35 malfunctions due to a bird strike, all controls inoperative, control tower orders eject eject eject, ROK pilot plays top gun and does a belly landing onto the nearest aircraft runway walking away without a scratch with a wienery grin on his face
Jap pilot on a routine training flight suffers from too many g forces on takeoff, ends up passing out and killing himself + destroying the F35 + having the F35 salvaged by china/russia in the greatest military security compromise of the past few decades
Lmfao
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/19/f-35-pilot-killed-april-crash-may-have-ignored-aircraft-instruments-selva.html
>ROK an F35 malfunctions due to a bird strike, all controls inoperative
ROK pilots now with telekinesis. The only control out was the landing gear and asiatics are debating spending $80 mil to repair it out of pride.
>Mfw you can't crash because your jets aren't even safe enough to be deemed airworthy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korean-f35a-fighter-jets-grounded-172-times-18-months-2022-10
> troony weeb does not realize that the entire mic industry has the front and center in fighter pilot capabilities based on actual operations
This put the japs further into the doghouse and further elevate the koreans even more on a pedestal than the anglosphere already assesses
>> troony weeb does not realize that the entire mic industry has the front and center in fighter pilot capabilities based on actual operations
I don't understand your shitty ESL, but if we are talking operations then pic rel. JASDF actually conducting intercepts while the ROKAF F-35 fleet has been grounded for more hours than it has flight hours.
That pic rel only counts Chinese aircraft too. If you add Russians to the mix that's a 40% increase to those numbers for each year and likely higher in the early 2000s.
https://thediplomat.com/2022/04/japan-scrambled-fighter-jets-to-intercept-foreign-aircraft-over-1000-times-in-fy2021/
I honestly try to understand your ebonics but struggle as its clear you are either on unhinged meltdown suicide mode and/or just a plain xxl black dildo "boihole" self-prolapsing idiot, yes remember the black xxl dildo your mother bought you for your 40th birthday
Lmfao
Jesus is he actually a bot? Look at his script repeat here, almost word for word
Wait, here it is again
>mother gave it to you
>40th birthday
>xxl black dildo
Jesus wept this is extremely specific to repeat over and over again
Why is this asiatic so obsessed with black dildos? It's bizarre and stinks of projection.
so he CLAIMS he is half Japanese and half Norwegian and when he lived in japan his Japanese family pimped him out to Japanese men to pay for his living expenses. Now he's butt blasted and shills for Korea on /k/.
The projection is likely from his own anal use while in japan.
You are not paying attention, jap males are being pimped out to foreign males, you do realize the typical jap male is 5'5" and 130lb, 63% of japanese males and 91% of japanese females have sold their bodies for the sexual pleasures of men willing to pay, keep in mind japanese NEVER where condoms, its all bareback...
Thanks, I was planning on a trip to Japan soon.
He's 100% a asiatic.
This is either a bot or a troony "boihole" self-prolapse aficionado. -->
This homosexual is on here 24/7/365 and has no idea he is being trolled by over hundred teenage californians laughing their asses off
And again
Freudian, isn’t it
Honestly, I hope he's a bot, but he posts on a fairly consistent schedule ~7am-1am east coast US time. Some days he'll wake up late or go to bed early or take off for a few hours throughout the day, but those are his rough hours of operation so it's probably an actual autistic moron and it tracks with what he's said about himself previously (currently living on the east coast of the US being half jap and half Norwegian or some shit)
>being half jap and half Norwegian or some shit
That part is most certainly bullshit. He changed his story about 5 times on what percentage he is of each, he swapped which parts were from his mother and father like 3 times, and he posted that pic of the Jap native twink holding a Jap passport as claiming it was him.
https://nextshark.com/higitsunes-tumblr-cultural-appropriation
He might literally be the Iranian in bongland who writes for the rag in the OP.
Japan can't export the F-2 anyway due to their constitution
Ukraine and probably Russia would both take free F-2s or Tejas in a heartbeat right now. Ukraine would probably be willing to pay even, assuming prompt deliver as on the table.
>asiatic after being thoroughly btfo, starts spamming off-topic shitposts
Pottery. Koreans must be the most delicate homosexuals on the internet.
i understand why asiatics and poles love each other so much, it's the same inferiority complex that permeates them both
Why-tu piggu banzai!!!
Stop arguing with Armatard
On a sidenote, MILITARY WATCH MAGAZINE is a Vatnik-run pro-Russia and pro-China website.
> forgot the mention that its an "ex"-US intel officer and a few UK operatives that pull all of the strings, allegedly with a touch of Israel involved...
korean thing is fully of american parts
US-led anglosphere doctrine has the irrevocable rules as enemies of the empire:
Russia, Japan, China, Germany, Middle East muslims - the entire history of the US is simply these eternal enemies being played against each other with all taking their turn for "thank you sir may I have another" ass whooping...
Lmfao troony homosexual is 24/7/365 no wonder his mother bought him that black xxl dildo for his "boihole" to prolapse
FCAS and GCAP should be merged into one program called New Global Air Dominance, or NGAD
No one else wants to pay for catapult launch capabilities, so the french will always do their own thing since they're going to require FCAS to be carrier launched.
Unironically I would fricking cream if Japan came out and said they need EMALS launch capability for GCAP.
This is what happens when japanese hapas interact with the whytu piggu world, look up sayuri ling anderson, 50% jap + 50% chink, 100% jap mother ONLY fricks ugly old why-tu piggus...LMFAO
Yes correct we broke the japs even more than the nukes lmfao
Dude take a break from the screen
I just visited here for the first time today in about a week, you must think its all a single person lmfao
You still don’t understand how filenames work or what 61 seconds signifies. Come on dude. Do you have a careworker or someone assigned to you?
99% of the internet uses screenshots only bots and professional trolls name their image files
Be serious.
You do know we can see that
were both taken today, just before posting, and were taken by someone either living in EST or who’s computer was set to EST? I could demonstrate the same for most other posts here
And no, most people don’t behave that way, especially on PrepHole
homosexual you are literally 200+ post alone out of a 318 post thread, this thread would have been pruned a day ago if you would just stop your screeching, I doubt anybody else has post more than once or maybe a few times if they are deranged
He signs half his posts off with "lmfao" like it's a signature too. Most recognisable poster on the board by far, and not just on here but the other boards he shits up too.
Never mind the weird 40th birthday black dildo mother prolapse boipussy thing
Why-tu piggu sucky sucky long time banzai!!!...why are jap "males" like this? Is it because they are on average 5'5" and 130lb with a 3" wiener as evidenced by japboys.com, the largest porn website in japan? LMFAO