>Total corruption leads to HK winning the German assault rifle tender
>Accuracy is abysmal with MEN 556 ammunition, HK asks to use ultra high end commercial precision rounds for testing instead.
>Excessively corrupt German bureaucracy agrees, precision tests are conducted with RWS premium .223 rounds (1,99 € per round)
>HK416 goes from 4 - 5 MOA rifle to standard 3 MOA rifle, still not passes repeatability and accuracy under sustained fire tests
>Viseblock used is apparently not good enough, because it allows for some movement (almost like a human)
>New vise block is used, clamps the rifle down in one position with a maximum shift of 0,003 cm (beyond human capability)
>Finally, firing cycles degrade accuracy to fast, subsequently HK is allowed to lower the firing cycles to reach specified goals
>All competitors were denied these opportunities. Hence Steyr et al dropped out. Haenel, surpassing HK in testing, was taken down by lawsuits (3 holes in a buffer tube are apparently an idea you can patent, despite being around on the US commercial market for over a decade.
What now, HK sisters? Nice door kicker rifles to unload at 7 yards. If you want to hit shit out to 300 m, nothing beats eugene stoners design from the 50s.
>HK416 is a 4-5 MoA rifle then 3 with fancy schmancy ammo
Oh no bros all the ARcucks told me 3 is unacceptable on my chadvor x95
It absolutely is. 3 MOA is enough for genocide in densely populated areas, not for long range engagements in real wars like Ukraine.
>AK-74 is the most common rifle in Ukraine
>6.5 MOA
You still haven’t figured out the reason both sides have to carry their infantry into CQB range to get evaporated?
Do you think small arms do most of the killing in war? Do you think 5.56 is effective beyond 500 yards? Do you think the media cries about shit that doesn't matter in the real world?
This is a non-issue being blown out of proportion by the same people that complain about fully-semi-automatics.
I remember 10 years ago when some chick got to be kreigsminister over there and she was praised up and down for discovering that when the G36 got hot, it's groups got rather w i d e. Everyone was like
>Oh ja. She ist the beste verteidigung secretary alle times. So schooon. So clever.
And let me tell you. I've shot the g36 and while the German bros in the 2000s over hyped that knockoff AR-18 to infinity, there was actually nothing wrong with it. It was just a cash grab for HK imo
You forgot to mention how the germna gov decided to save a 1.5 marks by no buying a heatsheald for the handguard.
>some chick got to be kreigsminister
None other than Ursula von der Leyen.
You clearly have no fricking Idea about German politics if you think anyone ever described Ursula von der Leyen as a competent defense secretary. She was mostly known for trying to open more Bundeswehr daycares and bring your kid to work day type initiatives.
infantry are for close assaults, all infantry tactics revolve around getting within 35 meters using grenades and shooting the enemy in the face
Ak-74 is considered worst rifle Ukraine, yes
>Ak-74 is considered worst rifle Ukraine, yes
Bruh, there are vatBlack person mobiks in Ukraine with fricking mosins.
Mosin nagant PU sniper, kills nato war tourist from 500 meter plus
There's a reason why elite units like Kraken run m4s
There is so much info wrong in such a short post holy shit lmao
Fricking reddit tourists can't even grasp basic units and weapons in the armed forces
>AK-74
>6.5 MOA
May I see it?
Nobody claims the tavor is a long range precision rifle, I'm aware it'll be fine out to 300-500 yards, but every time it's discussed here all the ARfanboys talk shit about the 3moa capability. It's a 16 inch barrel rifle in a mk18 size package, what's the problem? It's a weapon for close quarters type combat. And apparently an HK416 is less accurate, which is astounding because that's an expensive ass rifle
You pay for the roll mark.
>Nobody claims the tavor is a long range precision rifle
>It's a 16 inch barrel rifle in a mk18 size package
>what's the problem?
If it can’t reach out to extended range, the extra barrel length is meaningless so you may as well go with the lighter weapon that’ll still get the job done at the range you need it to.
Plus accuracy is always good. You aren’t just getting extended range, but you get the ability to make more difficult shots.
It turns out that people don’t want to get shot so they take cover, which might leave just a little bit of their body exposed. Is your 5 MOA H/k/ope or Gayvor going to make that hit?
moron.
Accuracy of modern small arms, other than if it's absolutely atrocious like Luty level, doesnt matter as much as you seem to think.
As long as it holds zero decently a 1 or 2 MOA difference won't be a strategic hurdle to plan around. As cool as guns are they really don't matter all that much in the bigger picture of a huge war.
Watch 10 minutes of footage from any significant recent war and tell me how much the rifles being 1 inch more accurate at 100 yards would have affected the outcome of the engagement
imagine calling someone a cuck while paying over 1k for a shitty israelite gun which apparently wasnt even sufficient for shooting children with rocks. the perfect goy consoooomer, but at least your total shit rifle makes you feel unique, right?
It's a cool rifle, and you sound mad, are you perhaps an ARcuck?
>le consooooooooomer
lel, someone mentions a bullpup and you immediately start seething and revert to r*ddit baby talk.
>AR homosexual
>calling anyone a consoomer
LAMO
ARs are the best guns on the market.
Nothing more to say about that.
Dude my fricking palmetto beater m4 does 3 moa with federal m193 bulk.
This is the modern age how the frick is HK doing so badly?
>HK getting btfo by $500 PSA bargain bin rifle
H/Kopers on eternal an hero watch
>$500 PSA bargain bin rifle
Even calling it THAT is a stretch.
It was a holiday sale special upper that mistakenly stacked discounts with a coupon code I had.
I put it on a red anodized 80 lower and buffer tube I bought from some chinesium pusher at a gun show as a joke to annoy the shit out of my shooting bro.
Stainless Anderson trigger pack for 30 beans.
It's lethal trash. A throwaway. I could, and have, thrown it into the briars and a lake so some butthole could make a Vine.
It's a shitpost gun made flesh and real, and this...this rifle?
It's matching the new BundBlaster(tm) shot for shot?
The frick is this possible?
You gotta manage 3MOA after some full-auto fire
Unfortunately we don't know how strenuous the firing cycles were
The German bureaucratic-industrial complex strikes again.
Is that the rifle they wanted to sell to the Swedes and Finns, too? I hear there were threats to take the matter to a court when they just bought Sako.
I fricking hate our beurocracy so goddamn much. You could (in theory of course) enter any public administration building here, randomly shoot 90 percent of people "working" there and the system would work more efficient than before.
Fricking self serving parasite fricks
>HK416 goes from 4 - 5 MOA
So good enough for a torso hit at ~500 yards?
This isn't a big deal for an assult rifle in 5.56.
Is that pic real? Looks like a shitty not-to-scale airsoft gun lmao
just adopt the fricking C7A2 and stop this nonsense
pistons are not needed
>C7A2
C8A2/3
Is there a standard mounting way the Canadians mount light/laser/ir stuff up front? Couldn't you fit that all on a two-rail style picatinny? Why do they have three? Seems excessive. Or is it to frick with bayo mounting? Then why is the lug still there? WTF is going on, they aren't even using that real estate.
Yeah, the Diemaco FSP mount. It’s super slick. And yeah, you can still use the bayonet.
>But why
It’s comfy and aesthetic. If all I’m rocking is a light, mount it up front and let me use the superior comfy round handguard.
https://www.lockharttactical.com/brands/product/8514147-cadex-defence-c7-c8-and-m4-m16-tri-rail-mount/category_pathway-888
Welp...its a thing. A very overpriced thing but go Canada what else is new. Some random forum I glanced at said there's an airsoft model out there for way cheaper if you want to airgay.
That is a lot of money, but the old leaf military issue ones were notorious for breaking, so it looks like they just overbuilt this one and are pricing it accordingly
>$275 for that shit
Lmao what a ripoff! I can make that myself!
the only true answer and for once the fricking leafs were right. C7 (m16a5) were the best choice for a service rifle.
M16A5 with a SOPMOD package would’ve been perfect. Hell, you could combine the M4 into it as well, so you would have 20” uppers for desert/distance engagements, 14.5” uppers for urban environments, and 11.5”/10.3” uppers for strictly CQB shit
I would make a clone of that if I could just find the fricking Triad rail mount.
See
You can find them from time to time
The NZ rifle mogs that colt canada trash.
>pistons are not needed
germany gets a proper winter often enough that you want pistons just to be sure
for anyone who doesn't live in a winter wonderland piston systems are significantly more reliable in freezing conditions than DI
not immune, but more resistant
if you can get a piston gun to run in a realistic (not le youtuber dump water into gun) firearm freezing scenario, it will run reliably
a significant part of this is the increased recoil
the most common freezing scenario is condensation freezing (might be a more correct english term for this, idk esl lole)
piston recoil "shatters" the condensation layer and other icing formations throughout the entire gun more effectively; of course this is at the cost of having piston level recoil which is awful and abrupt compared to the buttery smoothness of DI
t. nordic winter shooting gay
I live in Montana and I've never had an issue with DI in sub-zero temps.
But have you ever had to camp out with a gun in below-freezing conditions and then tried to shoot it the next morning?
You storing and maintaining your weapon improperly is a you issue, not the guns.
>no military operation has ever spent more than one day in the field
>no soldier has ever performed field maintenance on their weapon during a military operation
>sub-zero
fahrenheit I presume
excluding operations where you are outside for more than one day consecutively freezing only becomes an issue past -25 celcius and is made exponentially worse by temperature fluctuations (high fluctuation, a range like 0 to -15 is an issue)
I've had a fricking soviet AK with loose prostitute pussy tolerances ice-over enough to functionally completely frick with both the fire-selection and trigger in a five-hour span with intermittent firing because the temperature was fluctuating rapidly
although I have to admit it's fun as frick to have reloaded a 75rd drum mag with freezing hands and then involuntarily magdump it with a single trigger pull
I also had a 7.62x53R bolty and it stopped firing during that same window
real winters fricked
>germany gets a proper winter often enough
It get way colder in the US, with much harsher weather. Same with Canada. DI works fine and always has.
Im not going to address the rest of what you said because it reads a lot like misinformation/cope.
The only tangible advantage piston has over DI in ARs is that its better when suppressed.
>he says to a Canadian rifle
the parts of canada that are most inhabited and that the rifles were primarily designed for are very southern
I'm from further north than the latitudes that the Canadian Rangers tend to operate in
the same Canadian rangers that chose a rifle from my country (Tikka T3x Arctic) because it was the one that most reliably worked in extreme weather conditions
canada ain't shit son
Dude the Canadian rangers are not a serious military force. The arms they carry are a formality if anything. Maybe some bear defense.
If the Chinese or Russians ever attempted a polar attack on North America they would be met with M4s and C7s. Which have both been shown to operate effectively with proper care in extreme cold weather
Not fricking bolt action fudd guns.
And nothing Germany experiences is more adverse than anything North of the Canadian shield
>canada ain't shit son
We're all very impressed by how cold your shithole is, but don't be moronic anon. The arctic is Canadian
Most problematic part in freezing temperatures for AR style rifles (that incudies new german rifle because they use same part) is magazine ice freezing and trigger group ice feezing. Piston ain't gonna help with that.
those rifles look fricking stupid
used is apparently not good enough, because it allows for some movement (almost like a human)
Measuring precision should be the most important test so having a gun vise that can actually hold the rifle steady isn't unreasonable.
But yeah. Germany needs to get off the short-stroke short bus. Shit is imprecise.
i look like this and i have an award pin on my chest that says that
Why is the guy in the pic shirtless.
I understand... why don't they just adopt the 416?
It's a tried and true design already used by non-Germans around the world Why try and reinvent the wheel?
The g95 is the hk 416
i love this artist
Me too
>It's a tried and true design already used by non-Germans around the world
that never had an M4 in their entire service, the sole selling point of the 416 is simply "we fixed issues with the M16" and then proceed to make it even worse, just so you know it still take 7 version for HK to unfrick that rifle and people still find issues with it the biggest one being it's weight because apparently HK decided to keep using Steel instead of Aluminum.
also the KSK is using the 416A7 meanwhile the german army as a whole is looking at the HK433 which is a unfricked ACR but since the ACR is absolute shit i suppose it won't be hard for the germans to make it better
>new rifle is trash
Just like the last one
government procurement and corruption, name a more iconic duo
God, HK is such a shit company and Germany such a shit country. They're fricking with the Finnish rifle acquisition as well.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/german-arms-maker-takes-finland-market-court-over-rifle-choice-2023-08-08/
“Buy mein gun” -Tödd Höward, HK CEO
Tödd no!
It jus verks!
Can the Finns just not tell the germoids to frick off??? It's their national service weapon acquisition, not the germoid one. Do matters of national defence not trump some moronic seething business????????????
no the finns are cucked by the european union which essentialy is under german-franco control.
little anectdote while the UK was still in the union some germ activists used to european supreme court to sue the UK. It was about letting gipsy (romanian) caravans park in national parks as denying this would be oppression of gipsy culture so the local bong government had to pave a parking lot at the national park to let the gipsys park and camp there lmao
>no the finns are cucked by the european union which essentialy is under german-franco control.
Yeah no, this is a bullshit lawsuit. It's pretty much throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks. There are laws regulating government purchases, making it so you have to run a freely accessible tender to make sure no one's just directly giving contracts to their buddies (this is a good thing) but there are exemptions for strategic purchases like defense contracts (this is also a good thing). Finland took advantage of this and HK is seething impotently.
>Do matters of national defence not trump some moronic seething business?
I genuinely think this response
>Trump wouldn't have been any better.
was written by an AI
Two international plastic toy makers go court. Wowwee.
What's their problem, and why do they even care? Both Sweden and Finland have strong domestic arms industries and neither of them have a foreign rifle (unmodified) as their standard service rifle, there was no way HK would ever win a contract there even if they had a competition.
its incredible that hk acts like they own ar15 shaped things meanwhile colt owns the name M4 and i only seen them sue for it once (against hk kek)
>its incredible that hk acts like they own ar15 shaped things
Ive noticed this too. Swoop in and copy one of the most American things in existence, the AR, and claim its their OC and everyone is stealing from them.
Germans have a history of doing that. They copied eugenics and gas chambers from us too.
and bushmaster
I really like that green on the receivers and handguard. Is there a name or paint code or something for it?
Ranger Green?
I think it's actually just called Sako Green.
Why the frick is H&K like this? It's not even a one time thing. They sued Mexico almost 20 years ago for their FX05 and lost and are still fricking pulling this moronic shit.
>Why the frick is H&K like this?
Autism. Germans tend to be unreasonably proud of anything designed and/or made in Germany regardless of how it stacks up in the real world; most of the time when something fails they'll approach it with the default attitude of "what did you subhumans do to our flawless machine", when someone buys something that works just as well at a fraction of the price they scoff at the ignorance on display and when someone improves a product of theirs they're generally pretty butthurt about it.
>Early 90s; Porsche has been bleeding money as the 80s come to a screeching halt
>They hire Toyota to come consult and hopefully save them from bankruptcy
>Hans, nani the frick does every component on every car have zero standardization or interchangeability with anything else and why are you using assembly line techniques from the 1930s?
>Porsche takes their advice and has been in the black ever since
>what did you subhumans do to our flawless machine"
>Autism. Germans tend to be unreasonably proud of anything designed and/or made in Germany regardless of how it stacks up in the real world; most of the time when something fails they'll approach it with the default attitude of "what did you subhumans do to our flawless machine", when someone buys something that works just as well at a fraction of the price they scoff at the ignorance on display and when someone improves a product of theirs they're generally pretty butthurt about it.
lmao I work in the automotive industry and that's spot on at least for some other brands. I do know that Porsche is a lot better than other German brands. BMW has been getting better too as of late, precisely because they too worked with Toyota on modern QC practices. Currently the Mercedes/Audi cultists are seething because Genesis was rated higher than Mercedes Benz or Audi in reliability and build quality so their first response is that the Koreans must have bribed someone. My favorite is when they will try to argue that having a major system on your call fail at 30,000 miles (entire cooling system, ECU, turbos, fuel delivery system etc ) is completely normal and you should just pay to fix it as it's "maintenance" yet will admonish Japanese brands for literally going 150,000 miles with no faults as junk.
1 week ago i saw a Ukie review of some western rifles and they said the hk416 was the best one
and now it's apparently shit again?
Everything is shit when it gets to a bundeswehr commitee. Reminder that G36 was fricked over by shitty ammo.
this, the army gets the bottom of the barrel version because the gov wont pay for real equipment, every other military probably gets the better versions and germany the wank stick
>giving a shit about what slavs think
The hk416 would be the most reliable in all the shiity conditions the western rifles would be facing.
I sometimes wonder if these glowing reviews of German equipment are just shill jobs some times.
You can look up literally any remotely effective weapons system that has been donated to Ukraine and you'll find at least one Ukrainian calling it a magnificent masterpiece, the greatest weapon known to man. They'll flatter you and suck your wiener until you're so proud of your mid tier rifle or artillery piece that you send more just to get some more compliments. Any halfway decent weapon shipped is better than getting nothing.
The thing that pisses me off about HK polymer handguns is that they all have these ugly ass cheap looking warning labels on them? Why? This isn't even a requirement of German or American law because Walther handguns do not have this.
>tiny ass label on bottom of trigger guard
>AIEEEEEEEE IM GOING INSANE
The little red chamber indicator on the back of my VP9SK just fell out one day.
I'd shot it about twenty times when that happened.
And it happened when I just released the slide, not even while shooting.
German Engineering reputation is running a lot on inertia...
HK guns also have Hillary holes but for some reason it's fine when the germoids do it.
L85 is sub 1 MOA with issued Radway Green rounds.
How do you even frick up an AR in the year of our Lord 2023
>Germans
Because Germany has coasted on marketing for a long time and now all the good engineers are dead. See also: Volvo
how can the very same rifle then get accepted by Norway, France and the US Marines, among many others? the most plausible answer is that Bundeswehr pencil pushers are the problem.
>bunch of militaries have already adopted the HK416
>met all requirements
>magically turns into a shitfest as soon as Bundeswehr bureaucrats get their filthy hands on it
interesting.
Should have buy the Grot, instead of trying to smear it on this Indian criquet imageboard of all places
the grot is utter shit
>Crtl-F Fat
>No results
I'm honestly shocked that no one is calling this guy a porker, this being /k/
Only PrepHole tourists give a shit about another man's body like the gays that they are. Real /k/ommandos understand the advantages of tactical paunch
Hard to believe. I watched two H&K 762 videos this week where two different rifles were under 1.2moa with a slew of ammos and under .8moa with certain ammo. Thought that quality would transfer over to their HK416 line up.
The HK417 was developed as a precision marksman rifle. The HK416 was your common assault rifle afterthought.
HK417 wasn't an accurate rifle either. When it came to Germany selecting their DMR rifle they used the civilian MR762 as the base for the G27/G27K because the existing HK417s in production had poor accuracy as it was designed more as a battle rifle.
for $5000 it should be shooting a half inch with damn near everything. you can shoot under an inch for less than $2000 and use magazines that aren't dogshit to boot.
Alright, I read the full article.
Unsurprisingly, it's based on an article in Bild, a tabloid known for being low in journalistic quality and high in sensationalism and OP is straight up ignoring parts of it.
What OP fails to mention is the reply by the ministry of defense, who called the Bild article grossly oversimplified and misrepresenting the facts. They say the rifle, using the new, currently in introduction by the Bundeswehr 5.56 ammo, fulfills all accuracy requirements. But that there were several tests with precision ammo, a different vise block to hold the rifle, better scopes and longer pauses between bursts than in the regular tests to basically have a control group of tests with as little influence of outside factors on the rifle's precision to compare the regular tests against.
Now, of course it's possible that this is a lie and that they just want to avoid a new scandal so shortly after the G36 debacle, but again: Bild is trash tier. They are caught making shit up or twisting the facts all the time.
Bild is 100% government propaganda, they shilled for mass migration, vaxx and VdL as EU pres. if anything they would be in full support of whatever the frick the government did.
Thi might be the most braindead comment I have read all week.
Hab lange keine comments mehr mit höherem Wahrheitsgehalt gelesen. BILD ist CDU Regierungspropaganda wie der Spiegel SPD/Grüne Propaganda ist. Springer Presse eben.
>PERSONALausweis
>reGIERung
>bundestAG
>BRiD GmbH
Wake up, sheeple. Bild is nothing but a government organ in disguise.
Der gute Alte Stoll
Suddenly shilling for mass migration was completely out of character and I would bet good money that they take their marching orders straight from the government when it comes to the important shit.
Shit man, this takes me back.
LMAO, no. Bild is literally just lowest common denominator yellow press. It's the german Daily Mail or New York Post.
>They are caught making shit up or twisting the facts all the time.
as does HK and the german government. their defense industry big players are notoriously quick to litigate, and the procurement process is just BDSM with redtape. i'd be more shocked if none of the alleged actions took place. bild ,ay be shit but the article is everything i'm expectgng of heckle my koch.
GROTgays cope
So countries like France, Norway and all the special forces in the West are using a rifle with subpar accuracy? I heavily doubt it.
Just like with the G36, seems like it's yet another made up scandal that seems to only affect the German military.
it's just more pole propaganda. they are salty that no one is adopting their shit new rifle
Maybe they should ask the Brits for help.
Thats nothing. Finland will change perfectly valid VALMET RK62 7.62 mm for shitty sako plastic toy rifles chambered in obscure joke 5.56
>plain jane DI AR-15
>literal perfection in rifle form
>invented in the 60s
>now so cheap that companies can sell them to civilians for $400
why the frick has every Western nation spent the past six decades trying to reinvent the wheel?
Because history is cyclical, dear student.
well now we just have bullpup AR15s (fricking took them long enough) so problem solved.
What the frick is that thing
i just told you. are you dyslexic?
Yes, and I'm also slow.
Who produces said thing?
Money
>cheap stg44 knock off
>ar-FIFTEEN
>stg-FOURTY FOUR
AR came 29 years earlier moron
No he didn't, you lying reddit tourist. Most javelins in the Ukrainan arsenal were given to them by the Trump administration
>Most javelins in the Ukrainan arsenal were given to them by the Trump administration
To be fair Trump was vocally against this and attempted to freeze the sale even though it already passed through congress.
>To be fair Trump was vocally against this and attempted to freeze the sale even though it already passed through congress.
Proof?
He saw it in a dream.
>wikipedia
You're free to refute it if it didn't happen.
Ukraine’s corruption didn’t magically disappear after the invasion. Most of it just eased off on it until things stabilize once again.
>HK416 goes from 4 - 5 MOA rifle to standard 3 MOA rifle, still not passes repeatability and accuracy under sustained fire tests
No fricking way, how the frick can 3 MOA be the best it can achieve?
HK doesnt care about domestic sales anymore. They're contractors with like a dozen of militaries worldwide. They're probably still mad about the Haenel shit since they undercut HK prices so hard.
It’s shit. The rollmark is in comic sans ffs
Guarantee HK can do it it’s just the gov being cheap / throwing a shitfit because they can.
>No fricking way, how the frick can 3 MOA be the best it can achieve?
4.5 moa is the accuracy standard for the m4a1
goes from 4 - 5 MOA rifle to standard 3 MOA rifle, still not passes repeatability and accuracy under sustained fire tests
Tfw L85a3 that tests in at 4 MOA is sent to the armorers for a barrel change and reconfig. At 3 MOA it's getting pulled off the line.
Instead of reading reputable sources like Bild, dailymail or Welt have this one:
https://augengeradeaus.net/2024/01/neues-sturmgewehr-gewollte-treffer-im-labor/
>Last night on the couch I became aware of reports on the new assault rifle that is about to be introduced. This morning, too, there were a few reports about it. I took this as an opportunity to talk to our procurers at the Armaments Office in Koblenz and ask them about the current status. As a result, I would like to save us some work today and over the weekend and make it clear that the new rifle will not fail in terms of precision. The requirements for the manufacturer to meet the specifications have not been lowered. Overall, there were also individual assessments that the troops could be at risk. In my opinion, these are to be classified as unobjective.
But perhaps I should turn to the facts: As we have already informed you, we have opted for a successor system to the G36 from the manufacturer Heckler & Koch, the so-called G95. This is now undergoing troop testing, a so-called integrated verification process. This means that the rifle has to prove once again under troop conditions that it meets the requirements after successfully passing the selection tests. Of course, this also happens with the ammunition available in the troops. Precisely defined tests are carried out there.
>There were indeed deviations in the tests. To rule out the possibility that it was not the weapon that was measured in this test, but perhaps other factors as well, precision ammunition was used in accordance with the agreement with the manufacturer. This is also stated in the contract. This contract provided for these changes. It has also been communicated to Parliament. This is the standard procedure for eliminating measurement errors. This is referred to in the reports by the weapons experts of the Federal Audit Office, who claim that the manufacturer was accommodated. This is not the case. This modified test procedure only excludes the possibility of actually measuring the weapon and not the ammunition.
>With the newly introduced standard ammunition, the gun meets all requirements. We are currently introducing new standard ammunition because we are also required by the EU to use new chemicals that are more environmentally friendly. We have done that. This ammunition is currently being introduced. It is of course state of the art in terms of production processes and precision. With this new standard ammunition, which has been in use for some time now, the weapon meets all requirements and standards in the best possible way. There has been no lowering of standards.
>As before - and this is also explicitly referred to - the standard battlefield ammunition is tested in the full temperature spectrum, i.e. from minus 51 to plus 51 degrees. It is not tested at room temperature, as is stated. This is just in case you want to rule out measurement inaccuracies with precision ammunition. All tests are fulfilled with the new standard ammunition that has been introduced.
>Once again, testing has not yet been completed. We expect this to be the case by February. Only then will there be a final assessment. Only then will the final contracts be signed with the manufacturer. The prerequisite is that the weapon meets all requirements. As things stand at the moment, it will. But we will wait for the final result.
I hope that this has satisfied your need for information to some extent. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact the BAAINBw, our procurement office in Koblenz, as they will be happy to answer them in detail. At the Ministry, we only monitor the quality assurance of the procurement process as a whole.
>At WTD91, five of the 390 rifles ordered so far, so-called proof samples, were test-fired. The sole purpose of this was to check whether the weapons met the specifications of the order. Civilian precision ammunition was used to rule out the possibility that any faults were not in the rifle but in the ammunition used. However, this civilian ammunition is only certified for certain temperatures and not, like military ammunition, for a wide temperature range from frost to desert.
>The same applied to the optics and the firing stand used. The intention was not to test the rifle under real conditions - but to obtain laboratory results that would allow statements to be made about the technical quality of the weapon under reproducible conditions.
>Following the tests with the precision ammunition, the rifles were also tested with the Bundeswehr's new DM11A1 combat ammunition. This ammunition with a modified propellant charge is being introduced primarily because an EU chemicals directive no longer permits certain substances and is due to arrive with the troops in the course of this year. The weapons passed the test with both the civilian precision ammunition and the new combat ammunition.
>The actual tests of the rifle, the operational trials, are due to begin in February in selected units. This will not only involve hits with (combat) ammunition, but also things like handling and optics - in other words, the overall system.
no one will read this and will keep shitposting
Something tells me you're right
Yes I'm sure the assault rifle in use by a frickton of special forces units around the world and standard arm of France, Norway and the USMC infantry is actually terrible
Says more about the moronic requirements including the G-36 grip angle on an AR when all the other ergonomics are different
Also the fact that the article is cropped to hide where it's from is the very on top of this armchair general shit sundae
Germans being moronic to hid the fact they don't want to spend money on defence again
You will recall:
>Not accepting Pumas because the seats weren't suitable for pregnant women
>Not accepting A400Ms because they were dirty inside
Honest to God the Germans are fricking idiots
>HK416 4-5 MOA
Holy Shit, A $180 Bear Creek Arsenal upper is more accurate
LOL
>4-5 MOA
How the frick do you screw up a AR this badly? Its been completely solved as a platform for decades now.
High end ARs made in the USA must look like space magic to the Germans at this point.
Lmfao id always heard HK barrels were worth the cost but those are dog shit numbers. Sounds like they need to fly Mark LaRue in to get somebody who actually knows a thing or two about the business.
My HK416 is 1.5 MOA, why is the G95 somehow far worse than every single 416 or 416 build I've handled or is in the hands of most other militaries? Something isn't adding up and I'm betting it has to do with the ammo or some procurement frickery. Shit my MR762 shoots sub-MOA and that has a pretty shit tier barrel compared to actual 417s.
>My HK416 is 1.5 MOA,
Post 10 rounds group.
>Haenel, surpassing HK in testing, was taken down by lawsuits (3 holes in a buffer tube are apparently an idea you can patent, despite being around on the US commercial market for over a decade.
That was such incredible bullshit, I can only assume HK literally bays for the Federal budget with its bribes.
> That was such incredible bullshit, I can only assume HK literally bays for the Federal budget with its bribes.
Just have your service rifle contract with a Saudi owned 12 man company that outsources every single step from design to service. What could go wrong.
Pistons suck. What's new?
Source?
>Viseblock used is apparently not good enough, because it allows for some movement (almost like a human)
They're testing the rifle, not the human.
When such a dogshit reasoning is presented I'm actually more inclined to believe the opposite of what I'm being told.
Imagine not using a 3 MOA rifle from the 1940s
HK416 has such a soulless look. Dunno why everything needs to copy the AR15. We could have HK do something cool instead.
Assault Rifle form factor is a solved problem
Come home my Teutonic knight.
Can you link the article homosexual?
HK has gotten sloppier over the decades.
They whole German engineering thing is a burnt out reputation.
HK is dogshit. up next: sky is blue.
homosexual, you underage by chance?
>Putting in any effort into the u/k/raine board, in anno domini 2024.
ISHYGDDT
German rifles just aren't the same anymore without their roller delayed blowback.
Lambrechts retirement package, just like Karrenbauer and von der Leyen before that
Are you frickers really dumb enough to believe what the German press says about guns? Look at all of the contracts the HK416 has won over the years but suddenly they are shit in the hands of Germans?
a lot of seething from thirdies at Germany in this thread, no wonder, it is easy being brave behind your computer screens, stay fuming, stay inferior, stay wrong pussies
How the literal frick did they manage to get an HK 416 to group so poorly. I've seen slapdash poverty ponies do better than that with shit ass bulk ammo.
Ah, the new Cat@Net shill thread is live.
Here's the ministry of defense's rebuttal: https://soldat-und-technik.de/2024/01/bewaffnung/36668/info-bmvg-zur-kritik-am-sturmgewehr-g95/
>There were indeed deviations in the tests. To rule out the possibility that it was not the weapon that was measured in this test, but perhaps other factors as well, precision ammunition was used in accordance with the agreement with the manufacturer. This is also stated in the contract. This contract provided for these changes. It has also been communicated to Parliament. This is the standard procedure for eliminating measurement errors. This is referred to in the reports by the weapons experts of the Federal Audit Office, who claim that the manufacturer was accommodated. This is not the case. This modified test procedure only excludes the possibility of actually measuring the weapon and not the ammunition.
>With the newly introduced standard ammunition, the weapon fulfills all requirements. We are currently introducing new standard ammunition because we are also required by the EU to use new chemicals that are more environmentally friendly. We have done that. This ammunition is currently being introduced. It is of course state of the art in terms of production processes and precision. With this new standard ammunition, which has been in use for some time now, the weapon meets all requirements and standards in the best possible way. There has been no lowering of standards.
When I saw the title I figured it was just fake news because I can’t imagine Germany of all places failing at engineering a gun to such a degree. Maybe my idea of Germans being high-IQ autists is wrong, but if it’s not then there’s no way they’d make anything except an excellent rifle.