German last-ditch:
>shoot around corners, blast tanks from a presumably safe distance, just try to kill Russians without getting killed
Japanese last-ditch:
>lol, kill urself
American last-ditch:
>last ditch? never heard of it
German last-ditch:
The japanese strategy at the end was to make taking ground from them such an awful experience that us political will to keep doing it would collapse. Not a terrible strategy all in all given the disparity in power and could conceivably have worked if it wasnt for nukes. Its essentially how the vietnamese and afghans defeated (a much stronger) US
>Its essentially how the vietnamese and afghans defeated (a much stronger) US
They didn't hold ground and surrendering got the US out faster.
In both cases they held plenty of ground. Ever heard of North Vietnam? How about all those shithole provinces in Afghan with zero foreign presence?
That's exactly why we used the nukes on Japan. If we had had to resort to a ground invasion, the amount of casualties not only to our own soldiers but to innocent civilians caught in the crossfire would be many, many times more than the lives lost from the nukes.
Not to mention if we hadn't forced Japan to surrender with the nukes, Russia was planning on doing their own invasion into Japan, and you can bet that any territory they took would likely still be under Russian rule today, or at least pre-USSR collapse. Using the nukes saved Japan in the long run because it restricted the damage to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, rather than the entire COUNTRY in the case of an amphibious landing & fighting across the country. I always found it hilarious and sad the sheer amount of Japanese who killed themselves at the end of the war expecting America to rule over their country like a dictator when instead we literally spent billions of dollars over decades to help rebuild their entire country from the ground up and protected them from the Soviets & North Koreans.
>Russia was planning on doing their own invasion into Japan
they never would have within the timeframe of the war
an invasion of northern japan was cancelled after they took surprisingly high losses againt a relatively small japanese garrison despite being launched under ideal conditions
they had no experience and no equipment to handle a long distance amphibious invasion and would need to launch it without help from ground-based artillery and without aircraft carriers
you would be looking at 1947 at the absolute earliest
even without nukes, operation downfall would not have needed a whole year to crush japanese resistance
>took surprisingly high losses againt a relatively small japanese garrison
Sounds like bullshit
>they had no experience and no equipment to handle a long distance amphibious invasion and would need to launch it without help from ground-based artillery and without aircraft carriers
This sounds more plausible. The sea landings weren't common for Soviets and they weren't planned as invasions, but rather as means to support the land assault by striking the rear.
>Sounds like bullshit
sakhalin island campaign bumped into only a single island with significant resistance and took several days and twice as many casualties as the japanese to take
despite achieving total surprise and outnumbering the japanese
>This sounds more plausible
the above battle was very small in scope, only 2000 causalties
but it laid bare all of their tactical and strategic unpreparedness for an invasion of the japanese homelands
the operation only succeeded because they were able to coordinate with land based artillery that hit the island
and despite the japanese lacking any sea or air assets during the battle, they succeeded in destroying several landing ships
an invasion against northern japan would have no such luxury of land based fire support and would be out of reach of soviet bomber or fighter cover due to lack of carriers
and the japanese would have much more men, artillery, and the possilbiy of coordinated kamikaze attacks
it was obvious that by the time the soviets could build up for the invasion of japan, the war would be long over
Don't forget the Japanese on said island had minimal ammo and were half starved too. The soviets would've gotten slaughtered had they attempted to take something like Okinawa by themselves. They had no conceivable way to make a large scale landing of any type for a couple of years at least
>I always found it hilarious and sad the sheer amount of Japanese who killed themselves at the end of the war
Honourable people not wanting to live under ZOG. Makes sense why others did it too at the same time.
>Honourable
moron
Fat homosexual.
This isn't a real Marine. He's wearing his bars wrong.
can you imagine how autistically evil Stalinist Japan would be?
>but to innocent civilians caught in the crossfire would be many, many times more than the lives lost from the nukes.
Civilians that participate in hostilities are unprivileged belligerents and may be made the subject of attack. Unprivileged belligerents are not entitled to combat immunity for their participation in hostilities and as such may be punished under criminal procedure.
>Russia was planning on doing their own invasion into Japan
may we see the ships they would have used?
Borrowed American landing craft.
Vee Deh Vee
Probably unironically too
>and could conceivably have worked if it wasnt for nukes
not even close
they admitted that they would only have been able to hold out against operation downfall for the first few dozen kilometers and would have no defense once a breakthrough occurred
at which point the allied forces would experience only token resistance on their way to drag japanese high command out of their chairs and force a surrender at gunpoint
entire japanese strategy hinged on the allies being bottlenecked by an inferior force with half of them not even having enough ammo
and they would have to have held them long enough for war fatigue to set in, if it ever did
>how the vietnamese
The Vietnamese succeeded by having a safe base of operations that was off limits for US forces. "Taking ground" from them was never a problem, the fact that no matter how many you kill they'd be back next year was.
>american's last ditch
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! QUICKLY!!
BUT THE CHOPPA SIR! SHE WAS THROWN IN THE OCEAN TO MAKE ROOM!!
>Vietnam
>Libya
>Afghanistan
>Sudan
(you are here)
>Ukraine
Yes but not the reason you’re thinking
>Puccia has taken the hyperfortress of Bakhmut yet
allthough i think the biggest losers in this tragedy are the afghan peoples, I cannot help myself finding this meme well thought of, nicely created and with a wit i can appreciate.
>>last ditch? never heard of it
did americans even get to see a german in WW2?
Why would a shaped charge pointed the other way have a nice day?
Shape charges explode in all directions, the explosion is just spicier in the direction the lens focuses.
>lol, kill urself
can you make it extra long and avoid the blast ?
>American last-ditch:
>>last ditch? never heard of it
The war of 1812 your homosexuals fled Canada and got hunted down and scalped while fleeing
>one retreat = Japan's situation in '45
ISHYGDDT