Why haven't we ever seen any implementation of full body armor coverage and protection for infantry yet? When the hell will I get to larp as a UNSC marine/ODST when I get conscripted to fight in WWIII?
Full Body Armor
Why haven't we ever seen any implementation of full body armor coverage and protection for infantry yet? When the hell will I get to larp as a UNSC marine/ODST when I get conscripted to fight in WWIII?
Too heavy
Full plate would need an exoskeleton to operate
>plates weigh 4-5 pounds
>2-3 for smaller side ones
>doesn't have to be lvl IV especially if it is in conjunction with a soft armor layer behind it
I think the weight problem is bullshit as an excuse. Maybe have some integrated non powered exoskeleton to act as both a connect point for plates and to transfer the weight more efficiently towards the ground, but needing power armor for that? I don't know.
>he thinks standard issue plates weigh 4-5 pounds
I wish anon, i wish
besides the oz = lbs, lbs = pain thing is real when your rucking miles upon miles.
Now if the army operated like the dumb marines of halo and attempted an on point aerial insertion into absolutely insane enemy AA, then sure I wouldn't mind the extra pounds as I wouldn't be traveling far anyway
Current plates weigh 6-8 with gucci tier being around 4-5 and that is for front and backs i.e. the bulk of the armor.
>rucking miles upon miles
GWOT thinking is retarded. Infantry historically would only have on 12-24 hours worth of shit with a fighting load and nothing else which all of their other shit being hauled in the combat trains and field trains. If your target weight is 35-50 pounds, then having a full suit of armor coming in at 20-25 pounds with an additional 15-20 pounds of gear bringing in the total to being 35-45 pounds, then yeah; I would say that is very much doable.
>GWOT thinking is retarded
That's not GWOT thinking you retard. It's the light infantry standard in conventional war which gwot abandoned.
>the light infantry standard being to ruck forever with heavy ass shit directly into combat
>implying the infantry standard since the interwar period has been to load all of that shit into fucking trucks
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What do you think burgers did in the gwot moron? All that stuff went in trucks.
>but but but some zogbots rucked somewhere where the trucks didn't fit
And what do you think happens in peer war when the trucks don't fit?
I hate this shitty design
Mount the fucking cameras on top so he doesn't have to stick his full head over a berm, and adding face armour wouldn't be difficult due to how it would block cameras.
Would increase the cases where your cameras would be blocked while your eyes aren't, unlike mounting them at the same level but more peripherally, which is important in any sort of tight conditions.
This. Full 100% body coverage with STANAG3/VPAM11 would be ~40kg.
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I don't think they need full body m993 protection
>gets shot in dick
Aim small, miss small.
Hard cover provides full coverage to everything except the eyes and a hand or two poking out to shoot.
To be honest I'd just be fine if full torso coverage was an accepted standard at this point
at the very least, there should be like custom fitted ceramic breast plates that wrap around your arm pits and torso
>custom fitted
sounds expensive and difficult to keep supplied
i bet it'd be less than $50,000.
over what timeframe?
like imagine this but ceramic or carbon fiber
God imagine the ballistic improvements by having armor that isn’t a flat face
ergonomic cut. commonly used by euro and Japanese swat, as well as israeli forces/
they tried out basically full body soft armor coverage in afghanistan, they decided that stopping fragmentation/small caliber rounds to extremities was not worth the weight, when a tourniquet was 10 seconds away, and medivac was 10 minutes.
Materials science and body armor R&D have come far enough that you could have relatively lighter full body armor protection compared to GWOT. As we have done in the past and today, it makes sense to have your body armor envelope your entire chest and torso and have Kevlar woven into it to be resistant to shrapnel. This is essential in modern protracted ground warfare with no air superiority especially, anywhere with trench warfare and static defensive lines.
Class IV plates have come along nicely and wearing front, back, side and dick plates makes perfect sense. Kevlar shoulder pauldron's and encompassing thigh pads make perfect sense because you do want to protect those areas as well from shrapnel. There isn't much point to protect under the shoulders or thighs though, because tourniquets can quickly and easily be applied to these areas regardless of what happens to them.
There is a point to protecting the neck, at least from shrapnel- but I think the most important thing moving forward is a full faceplate designed to deflect enemy small arms fire coming from 12 o-clock at least. It can be done and mass produced easily and we have the technology to give soldiers reliable optics that can be integrated into a HUD and this would allow you to create helmets with 360 degree armor coverage.
The full battle dress from GWOT can be lightened with todays armor technology and kit is mission specific including body armor, so there is no reason for you to carry a fuck ton of useless shit in your ruck that isn't going to be involved in the actual fighting of the enemy. It can be left in your troop transport or your trench dugout.
The reason why you don't see it is because the people at the top don't give a shit enough about grunts living or dying to make it happen.
When we can finally make graphene armor cost less than a Ferrari.
Graphene armor would look much more medieval armor than current armor as rounds will ricochet off it more than being absorbed and it would likely cut the armor weight in half allowing close to full body coverage.
However you will still need a lot of padding even if deflected rounds transfer much less energy.
I would like to see what the prototypes look like but there is no real graphene armor available ro the public even if some companies claim to have done it, they aren't making solid graphene composites plates, just some graphene infused regular armor that is just a gimmick.
This is the R*ddit/"I hecking love science!" equivalent of fuddlore.
Muh graphene armor doesn't exist. Even if it did exist, there's no proof that it would be any good.
Basically, you're making it all up because you hecking love science and you saw something on r*ddit once.
>le ironwoman
Graphene can't absorb energy, redditard. It's brittle like ceramics but not even hard unlike ceramics.
Weight. You try patrolling for hours in that shit; your knees won't survive to the end of service. Reason why most guys in full plate rode on horseback when they could, back in the day.
hello again
You're slowly getting stronger
everyday
you've not seen my guan diyao, have you? It's a machete blade on a bed frame pole
You need a better weapon. At the very least, tie a chef's knife to a broomstick for a glaive.
that tone of gray is not tactical, either go urban camo or blood red for psychological impact
You gonna test this thing some time?
none ceramic plates stop common 9mm from a handgun.
you will get a ton of excuses ranging from "muh too heavy" (dyel) to "impractical" (never been shot in an extremity)
realistically it's because the pentagon beancounters have done the cost-benefit analysis and decided the average grunt is not worth the expense of outfitting with advanced full-body ballistic armor, simple as. it is simply less expensive to extract and treat dudes who get shot in non-vital areas than to armor them up, though the calculus changes if you don't have the level of support a professional army has
5 lbs plate is pretty cheap and a good middle ground compared to a fucking iron man suit