>full 16 inch barrel in a rifle the size of an AR pistol
>No compromise when you size down
Tavor chads stay winning
>full 16 inch barrel in a rifle the size of an AR pistol. >No compromise when you size down
>full 16 inch barrel in a rifle the size of an AR pistol
>No compromise when you size down
Tavor chads stay winning
tbh i find the old one kinda ugly
Cause its black isn't it?
i just dont like the ugly ass handguard,new ones are nicer
Based
Also based but I don't really have a preference regarding SAR or x95 I think both are cool and the whole point is no compromising
Did you post about 20 inch barrels in the AR pistol thread? That's what inspired me to post my tavor
>Never felt the supreme recoil of a rifle length gas system shooting out of a 20 inch barrel
Aug is better tbqh
I need it for all the times it carried me through online vidya matches.
how many times have i told you to get a new fricking chair
>elcan
>aug
>>>
>that chair
you know how to spend money my friend
No its not, I don't understand the hype over the AUG. Its ugly, has an inferior magrelease/reload system, and does not take standard mags.
It doesn't take standard mags if you're a purist. They make a NATO stock if you want to use AR mags, though it doesn't include the bolt release for some dumb reason.
OY VEY
Yes but IWI makes cool shit
I like the mdrx 308 or 6.5 better but don't recommend it either because you have to luck out and get a good one. DT posted a video a few weeks ago at least acknowledging how much trouble they've been having and how they're going to try to get better, but plans aren't results and bad organizational issues are challenging to overcome. Too bad, they do awesome kit. Maybe by the end of this year it'll be clearer. Otherwise it's a gamble, or at least a journey.
But since I did end up with a good one I'm happy. And you're still right about bullpups in general being a ton of fun.
I enjoy shooting my x95
How much money is in this picture
Like 7K at most
I like my MDRX (5.56) a lot. I haven't had a chance to take my new VHS out yet, but I think I'm going to end up liking it too, love how it handles.
I know I don't need another intermediate caliber bullpup, but an AUG calls to me after I get another couple guns checked off my list...
And here she is with the VHS. No optics on the VHS yet, I'm thinking of going with an Aimpoint Pro with a low profile ADM mount because I hear it can cowitness with the irons, and I think the built in irons are really neat.
I'd put the MDRX and VHS disassembly both in the "so trivally easy it's irrelevant" category. It's not even really 4 pins on the MDR, it's just two to field strip and the other two are only for more intensive disassembly.
>she
>mdr
>vhs
Do you think of your rifles as dudes? That's kind of fricking gay if so.
>immediately thinks of dick if an object isnt a female
sasuga troon
Do you freak out when sailors refer to a ship with female verbiage too because it's technically inanimate? Do you freak out when someone calls the M2 Browning "Ma Deuce" because the machinegun is not actually his real mother? Referring to weapons as female goes back ages.
Oh, and don't watch Full Metal Jacket. You might have a fricking meltdown when Hartman has the men give their M14s a girl's name.
Magwells are pussies and my PMAGs are my proverbial wiener. My shooting range trips are where my raifu and I have tantric sex and she exhibits herself getting fricked for all the other range patrons.
>My new VHS
You should try laser disc, it's got higher fidelity
Holy shit Black person your sight on that Tavor is in the wrong fricking spot fr fr no CAP
What options are there for bullpups in 300 BO?
Cool if you own zero 5.56 guns. But it's fricking insane to own 300BLK and 5.56 given the ease and consequences of mixing ammunition.
Anon, even if 300bo is your only intermediate at all you should still have dedicated labeled ammo cans, dedicated labeled mags, and in general good organization there just because of the risk of mixing things up out with others. The same thing you'd do with multiple intermediates. Mixing up ammo is never something to get relaxed about. Like, even with 300bo alone you still need to keep straight your supers and subs right?
If I only had 300blk, I'd rather leave out 300blk labeded 5.56 to destroy anyone's shit if they felt like taking my ammo.
Label your mags, anon.
That's about what I've seen as well. Steyr has been taunting a 300 BLK AUG since 2017 and even showed a prototype in 2019 that took pmags. If that came out, I think it would settle the debate real quick kek.
>That's about what I've seen as well. Steyr has been taunting a 300 BLK AUG since 2017 and even showed a prototype in 2019 that took pmags. If that came out, I think it would settle the debate real quick kek.
If DT gets their shit together and does a dedicated intermediate cartridge MDR, in particular a dedicated 300bo Micron, that'd be pretty interesting too. QA aside (mostly doesn't apply anyway since it's purely side eject) micron conversion feels really good, but it's too fricking heavy because there is a huge weight penalty associated with being able to scale all the way back up to 30cal. And their 300bo effort seems to have ended up failing there, they just couldn't make it work in that platform though maybe 8.6bo would fare better if it ends up not being a meme.
Honestly they should make a dedicated intermediate caliber platform to save weight/cost and potentially even make a "budget" option without the quick change barrel
All my 300BLK has bright red plastic tips.
Don't put the lipstick in the mk18.
Easy peasey.
no great ones. but the x95 does have a 16.5" 300bo barrel option at least. mdr is no good there but maybe next year if dt gets their shit together.
Are you a euro? You can get 300blk augs
Never
Dude wtf do you live in the third world that chair is fricked and the background ain't looking good why you got nice guns but everything else is shid
I actually own a fortune 500 company in my spare dreams
I can tell your room stinks
Not really
>Not really
i bet everyone covers their nose and looks back at you in disgust when you walk past them
I just got done at work so Im a bit sweaty and smelly. I'll let you taste if you're a pretty woman
jealous homosexual
Is your bed made out of storage bins??
Idk its whatever tempur pedic is made out of
Got mine, King
How are you typing this with your mouth on a severed baby foreskin shlomo
It's 4 moa dogshit (with Black Hills OTMs) and the terrible trigger isn't even the worst part of the rifle. The fact you think it's superior tells me you haven't touched literally any other modern rifle. It's a low bar when the Italians make a more serviceable rifle than you can. At the end of the day your ONLY win is muzzle velocity and balance. Okay cool dude. Enjoy your garbage rod. Last time I shot it we literally cheered when we were able to hit a 4x6" plate with it at 50 yards. It groups THAT BADLY with M193.
Sell it and get literally any AR and you'll have upgraded. It is not a stretch to say you'll be better off with a PSA.
You didnt remove the plastic ring, did you tripgay? He didnt free float the barrel and sold it without doing AMY research. How pathtically moronic.
A factory rifle that costs $1800 and you have to un frick it your self to get a reasonable grouping. Bullpup enthusiasts spend their days malding.
Protip: to get used to the balance of a good rifle (See: AR15) then you can hang something heavy and useless off of the front to grow your noodle arms. I had this Elcan laying around so I guess that works.
"Unfrick it".
Anon. Its a simple plastic ring. It takes as much effort to remove it as it does to install a stock on a buffer tube.
AR gays will literally buy a rifle just to swap out every part on it or buy individual parts and spend hours putting it together then talk shit about a gun needing a small ring removed being all it needs to be accurate. Do you see how moronic that sounds?
WHY IS IT FRICKED FROM THE FACTORY ANON?
"Anon you don't understand, the Bullpup is the idea weapon for men who watch other men frick their wife"
"If you like Tavors, perhaps consider buying a Fiat 500 to pick up the bull in"
Again, How is a plastic ring on the gun "fricked" from the factory? Is a rifle with an incorrect gas setting "fricked from the factory"? Or do you just need to tune the gun? Youre moronic if taking a ring off the barrel is so much effort for you that you couldnt be bothered to do it.
What plastic ring is this dude talking about
Its the plastic ring in the OEM handguard. It wraps around the barrel and keeps it constricted when firing so the barrel doesnt naturally flex anymore during firing. All X95 owners know about this.
Remove ring to free float and unfrick gun. It fixes all MOA complaints.
I did some googling and apparently it's bullshit, does nothing for accuracy, and it's not a true free float anyway
It definitely does work anon. Once you remove it is freefloated all the way to the chamber.
I depends on if you're hanging anything heavy on the handguard rails or not. If you have nothing on them, it makes no difference. If you have a frickoff streamlight on it, or a bipod for some moronic reason, removing the ring is a good idea. It's about a 2MOA rifle normally, but if you keep the ring on and start mounting accessories, it opens up noticeably.
It changes nothing. There are a frickton of videos out there attesting to this. Biggest IWI shill on YT, Tim Harmsen from the MAC channel, tested it himself and saw no discernible difference on the groups.
>AR gays will literally buy a rifle just to swap out every part on it or buy individual parts and spend hours putting it together
Tinkering is half the fun you mongoloid.
Arguing with bullpup cucks is like arguing with children. You won’t get anywhere and they’ll deny every point you make in order to validate their own purchase.
You came into a bullpup thread to shitpost about ARs. But please. Give a single valid reason an AR is better and Ill tell you multiple reasons why its wrong and/or DesertStormTierFuddlore.
>ARs have better triggers out of the box and a superior aftermarket
>ARs have tighter tolerances and less gaps for debris to effect the reliability of the rifle
>field stripping and cleaning is much quicker with ARs and can be easily done by infantry personnel
>AR’s are more modular than chassis built bullpup rifles
I could go on, but I feel this points are good enough. Please do attempt to debunk them though. I’d love to be proven wrong.
Drop the chassis point because the SCAR 16 I would argue fits into a similar vein in that it really has one receiver group and that's what you use.
But it's still an infinitely better rifle than a Tavor.
I'm a simple man. I see Tavor owners, I shit on them. Most of Tavor fans haven't even shot theirs more than a few magazines. I don't blame them though. The rifle sucks.
>>ARs have better triggers out of the box and a superior aftermarket
Not him and no idea about the Tavor, so this is only about "bullpups" if you want to specify a particular gun that's fine. But my MDRX trigger is as good out of the box as any AR I've ever tried. They have other problems but not that.
>>ARs have tighter tolerances and less gaps for debris to effect the reliability of the rifle
I don't see that at all and have had no issue with it through thousands of rounds with hard innawoods usage. DT has had major QC problems from time to time over the years, but that's not inherent to the design, when they're good they're great.
stripping and cleaning is much quicker with ARs and can be easily done by infantry personnel
I'm not in the military. This sounds like larp or an argument again military procurement. 4-star generals on /k/ can take note though.
>>AR’s are more modular than chassis built bullpup rifles
This is just pointless. Why should I care? How much more modular do I need then going from 20" 30cal down to 11" 223?
Why didn't you talk about the weight penalty, reload challenges or ejection challenges anon? Seems like better criticism of bullpups to me. But against that there is a full length barrel in short OAL and nice back center of gravity. There are strengths of each direction.
same Black person here, also, like yeah it's 4 pins instead of 1 pin on the mdrx, objectively yeah it's not as easy or quick. But they're all captive pins and banging them out isn't exactly a complex maneuver, even in the field. Once you have the lower and upper apart the insides for stuff like the bolt carrier group are pretty much like an AR-10.
So while I'm not going to pretend they have it as dead simple as an AR-15 neither do I think it's particularly significant, just another little thing at the edge to weigh against the benefits. There are solid guns on either side that someone could be very happy with.
Superior aftermarket thats flooded with garbage.
What gaps are there on the Tavor? Rifle is solid. Doesnt rattle. No way to get debris in the internals. Niet, Rifle is FINE.
As for cleaning, Black person here is a photo of my field stripped rifle. It literally all comes out with a single pin. Like an AR15.
I know its really hard to try new things anon, but youre missing out on great firearms because youre stubborn.
Yet here you are
Don't you have some discord to run into the ground?
Been working a lot. I'm involved in the Ohio /k/ Discord but I mostly just let that thing ride unless they are threatening to mail each other pipe bombs. People who don't come to meets aren't real people.
Oh you wanna talk about incorrect gas settings? Lets talk about how IWI released a modern AR18 derivative with NO adjustable gas or suppressor mode. So the instant you mount a can to this turd you experience pain that would only compare to being sandblasted in the eyes. The .300 Blacked barrel has that ability which tells me they know what it is. They just won't include it on the 5.56 barrel because they hate you.
You should probably post there then. I'm sure your seething will be appreciated there next to all the other weapon illiterate day/k/are goers
I already paid for mine with the $3bn annual tribute to Pissrael
i think i rather have a 10 inch pencil barrel israelite conscript AR that the ladies carry in israel.
>not a 20in barrel
>shit trigger
>horrible magazine release location that results in you dropping your mag accidentally quite often
>the outside of the gun was designed before the internals leaving it poorly balanced all for the sake of “cool bullpup look”
>Failed the mud test on InRange
If you want a cool Israeli gun just buy a galil. People who worry about “muh overall length” are autists who’ve never actually had to carry a rifle professionally. I would still rather take a 10.5 - 14.5 in AR over a bulky awakened Tavor any day. We get it Anon, you want people to see how quirky and unique you are so you bought a contrarian platform in order to get people to notice you. Now you feel the need to defend it and put it up on pedestal just to reaffirm your purchase. Truth is the AR is still the king of the intermediate caliber rifle category.
Im Canuckistani so mines 18.6 inch.
A $100 3rd party trigger fixes the bullpup trigger problem.
X95 has AR15 mag release.
Poor balance? The frick are you talking about Black person? All bullpups are back heavy. Its kind of the whole point. To keep the center of gravity on the shooter for fatigue mitigation.
And it turns out, when you stuff a gun with mud it doesnt work too good. Where the frick do you expect to be fighting? The Trenches of fricking Verdun?
Just say youve never shot a bullpup, much less a Tavor.
I actually do own a bullpup among many other things. The Tavor is inherently worse because as previously mentioned IWI designed the aesthetics before the designed the internals of the rifle. Yes, the X95 did have the position of the magazine release moved to a better spot, but the original Tavor is STILL being sold with the horrible magazine release location. You’re also right you could just buy a better trigger for 100 dollars that possibly puts it on par with something like a poor quality DPMS AR milspec trigger. For a rifle that costs 1700 and was designed in the last couple decades that shouldn’t be necessary. The AUG only gets a pass because it was designed in the 70’s.
>BTW post guns (:
Already posted mine.
>only has one gun
So you’re openly stating you own no other firearms and are hence forming all your opinions based off your experience with a single rifle? Wow that’s some big brain activity there Anon. You’re really showing me lol.
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This is incorrect, I came into a bullpup thread to shit on Tavors specifically which are inherently poor firearms. I will admit bullpups are interesting in a technical sense, but they are by no means the future or superior to conventional rifles. If they were any good why did the British and French adopt the 416?
I have three guns but this is a Tavor thread. And I only own one Tavor.
Unlike AR gays I have ONE rifle and not 6 different variations of the same gun for some fricking reason. Dont know how you think shit talking someone for only having ONE variant of a gun is somehow an epic own.
Also, since Im the same anon for the other post Ill tell you the ONE AND ONLY REASON was cost. Even the IDF gave a bunch of their guys M4s because of cost cutting and thats it. A bunch of them still use Tavors to this day too.
>I don’t own more guns because I don’t need them!!!!
The absolute state of coping Tavor gays
>consoomer criticizing others for enjoying their go-to while justifying safe queens
play with your barbies
You don’t even shoot your gun, leaf. Go back to letting daddy Trudeau dictate your existence. Last I checked you leaf’s can’t even own ARs? The AR envy is real. If it helps you sleep at night you can go lay make believe and tell yourself your bullpup is better though.
>gold desert eagle
>yid
Steyr gets you higher.
The king of shitty bullpup triggers.
>boo hoo the trigger is heavier than my 3lb Geissele
Tavors is worse tbqh
Aug is heavy but fine
You have no idea what youre talking about. The Tavor has a spongy takeup but a decent pull. The Gieselle everyone puts on it just removes the takeup and makes it a milspec trigger. It doesnt need anything more than that. The AUG trigger might as well be taken straight from a 1911. Its trash.
>1911 trigger
>trash
>You have no idea what youre talking about.
oh
the tavor is spongy and feels how people describe bullpup triggers
the aug is heavy but it breaks alright
>hes talking about the TAR21
For frick sake anon.
Just saying Tavor implies the x95. The superior version.
>3▶
>File: aug sling 1.jpg (683 KB, 1500x874)
its so ugly
You're ugly, noguns.
I refuse to use a rifle plagued with Talmud Dark Magic.
taking down a drone
The tavor is literally 2 guns in one. You get a normal 16 inch AR in a compact body to /operate. I know you gaygaronis like to collect 5 different ARs (that all sit in the safe) but this one gat can indeed do it all. Is good rifle. AR gays just eternally butthurt at making dumb gun choice.
Is it better to get a cheap AR then mod it to meet your desires — OR is it best just to buy a premium rifle from a high-quality gunsmith manufacturer?
Yes. Either is a perfectly good approach, has its upsides and downsides.
If you're getting IWI just get their triple tube bullpup shotgun!
I love everything about the rifle except that it's Israeli.
I got picrel just for the full bullpup experience and it was like $550 total. 26.25" OAL and weighs like 6.5lbs all toward the rear. It's ergonomics and manual of arms are actually pretty great. The trigger isn't even that terrible it's just moderately bad once you get used to the take-up.
Also it's 100% made in the USA unlike that Israeli shit. Israel takes enough of your money as it is, bros, don't give them more.
if those shitty carbines weren't single stack only, i'd be all over this
quad stack dedicated micron mdr when
I got the hightower kit, the fitment is not good and it has a shitty double saftey. Had to trim a considerable amount out of it and its still rubbing the charging handle and feels kinda chinsy overall
Bullpups/tavors are aesthetically cool, but IDF SF choosing to run mid-tier M4's over them should tell you something
That they train with US forces who use M4s and sharing a platform is an advantage independent of any specific traits of that platform?
And I saw a difference of 2 MOA when I did it to mine. But GunTubers are apparently gospel right?
My groups definitely improved after I took it off
almost makes me tempted but not buying another bullpup until i see how the 8.6bo meme works out. subs to 200-300yd would be pretty swell.
>gripod
Opinion discarded. Also, gross.
setup works for me, thats all that matters brother
>grip-pod
>not getting the super cool and perfect handguardpod
dont think they make one for the x95, unless im wrong
That looks awkward, MDR FTW yet again.
The MDR's bipod is especially heavy. I love mine, but it's not without its disadvantages.
True, it does add like a pound. A bit more forward-biased weight should improve the overall balance though, plus the aluminum will definitely provide a more secure mounting point for the front BUIS and this already heavy chinkshit (Crimson Trace’s equivalent is discontinued and I couldn’t find anything else similar) laser/flashlight foregrip.
I’ve had one on order for a while.
I was lucky to find mine (
) in a local store at below MSRP. The lead time seems to be a b***h.
Did you order straight from DT or BLKLBL? It took me legit almost 5 months to get my shit from DT, was wondering if it'd be faster to order from the source
I have the MDR bipod handguard too, but unfortunately only the 16" was available at the time. The weight is kinda whatever to me, it's not a gun for light builds anyway and it gives you a few other useful features, but I don't think I'd recommend it to others except in 20". Besides weight the other inherent thing is that the leg length is directly limited by the handguard length, so adding on a few more inches makes it much easier to get the elevation you want (particularly with longer magazines) on non-ideal terrain. The Mantis-16 also only has a single mlok slot on each side too which is pretty worthless, I had to mod mine (drill out the aluminum) to extend it because pretty much every attachment on the planet, even merely adding a bit of picatinny rail instead, is designed for using the end of one slot and then the next.
Finally I don't agree with the design decision to make it as narrow as possible overall but in turn have the leg mechanisms internal and narrow the opening at the end. I can see why, it's a tradeoff. But given that it's heavy already, a bit fatter and deeper so that it could still go around a can like the default would have been great. Or for that matter it's narrow enough you have to be careful even with QD mounts.
So yeah, not without its drawbacks.
Yeah it does suck to noe be able to fit a 16” barrel + can in one, but at least the 20” setup in
doesn’t look hideous. Plus the overall length is no worse than a 18-20” AR with no muzzle device.
>noe
*not
Fricking phoneposting
k bud
inb4 'lmao poor' i don't wanna hear that shit from a stock photo poster.
>streamlight
>meprolight optic
>grip pod
>Springfield XD
>Gatorade frost
have some self respect son
If that Playmate isn't full of Busch Lattes I will actually drive over to your dads place and frick him.
>bad life choices: the photo
I mean you've even got a fricking Swampfox optic on that goddamn XD. It's a cornucopia of bad taste.
I love my X95, the trigger is fine and I reload it faster than a AR15 patteren rifle..
poorgays stay mad.
>shitty Amazon special light, sling and 30mm mount
>most likely a primary arms tube dot
>not even a vortex magnifier
why do people buy 1600 dollar guns then completely cheap out on attachments?
It's a classic "the budget ran out" outcome, you'll see it all over reddit gun subs. The emphasis is placed on the base gun, usually something memey, and then everything after that is just an afterthought.
They're just not that intuitive to aim, shoot, reload after a lifetime of AR use. I did like the irons though.
Anons why doesn’t the AUG have a chrome lined barrel?
Tavorposting in butthurt thread. I'm not afraid to admit it's shortcomings tho. The amount of aftermarket shit that could be easily done at the factory is a joke especially for the price.
>Better trigger
>Better handguard
>Better pistol grip
>Better optics rail height
>Better charging handle
>Better trigger
No, rifle is fine
>Better handguard
No, rifle is fine
>Better pistol grip
No, rifle is fine
>Better optics rail height
>Better charging handle
Hmmm perhaps but perhaps you can should also get used to the idiosyncrasies of this specific rifle
I can't believe ya'll still think the Tavor is good.
Its objectively a great rifle. My second 5.56 rifle is a scar 16. ARtoddlers can stick to their toys, I'll stick to my perfectly designed rifles
>Hmmm
you're typing, not talking.
Don't be rude, this is a bullpupfren threada
I'm glad Springfield brought the VHS into the bullpup arena. Hopefully results in more competition. I also wonder what kind of aftermarket it will generate
>RFB vs MDR vs Tavor 7
Who’s the best bullpup battle rifle?
AUG is better and plastic is fantastic
Anyone know where I can find the carry handle for this Tristar shotgun? Wanna put it on another gun of mine, but don't wanna spend $800 on a shitty shotgun for it
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Halo?
BR55HB my beloved