>From Sunday, when the Ukrainian counteroffensive began until Friday evening, Ukraine, according to Oryx estimates, lost 65 pieces of equipment, while Russia lost 56.
Is 1,16 to 1 a good ratio for an advancing side?
>From Sunday, when the Ukrainian counteroffensive began until Friday evening, Ukraine, according to Oryx estimates, lost 65 pieces of equipment, wh...
>anon does not know attackers take more casualties
Well that should only be the case in the absolute beginning, as your offensive should lead to strategical situations that force the defender into increasingly disadvantageous position such as complete encirclement. The goal of an offensive must always be the destruction of the enemy's army, not taking meaningless pieces of land in a 1:1 trade.
He grew up with Murica fricking up SandBlack folk. The whole concept of having casualties is foreign to this generation.
>anon doesn't know
You have to go back.T2S0AT
everyone knows everything 🙂
our guys are working
Actually pretty decent in terms of ratio. The real question is whether Ukraine is burning too fast through its vehicles or not, because they have a low amount to begin with.
Well, considering the TEMPO videos have started, I think they have worked their way through at least one defensive line. During the last one the TEMPO started after the breakthrough.
This. 1.16 is good, 5 tanks a day is not.
Part of the unknown is whether it'll be linear or not. If it's normal deep lines, with improving fortifications and better logistics the farther back one goes, then it'll be a slog and hard to sustain. But if they have long but thin lines and the rear lines end up being more for show then real could be a rout. Same with command, logi, morale. Obviously Ukraine will want to try to trigger that if/where possible, since that'd suddenly turn into huge gains with minimal losses, while Russians will want to prevent it.
Yeah of course, I'm working off the assumption that 1.16 and 5 a day are average figures. Of course, we know nothing as to which way the numbers will go.
This. Also depends on the equipment in question. 65 Leo2 vs 56 MTLB would not be a good ratio.
that actually sounds pretty good. it's almost 1:1 in the early stages of an attack, where the defender will still have the element of surprise in a lot of ways
also pic related. oryx is just visually confirmed in OSINT. ukies have been notorious during this war for their operational silence, their gains and trophies being revealed days or weeks later, see: kherson offensive
>humans cannot be replaced
The whole point of an army having standardized roles, procedures and hierarchy is that yes, they can. And it sometimes makes more sense to sacrifice soldiers to protect equipment than vice versa.
Would you consider ordering a damage control party to their deaths to save a burning CVN anything extraordinary?
a carrier costs billions and is crewed by thousands, it can frick up most nations. a bradley costs millions and if you lose a few you can just pull some out of mothballs instead of having to build new ones.
replacing a trained bradley crew costs more than the vehicle itself. so even if you're being completely pragmatic and cold-blooded: the crew is worth more than the vehicle. not to mention that thworing people into the grinder to save some money, besides being cost-ineffective will also frick up morale.
There is rarely a situation where you are you are certainly sending people to their deaths, and it is even rarer for those people's deaths to actually make the difference. Just TV drama.
>Would you consider ordering a damage control party to their deaths to save a burning CVN anything extraordinary?
Asinine comparison. The utility of damage control is obvious. What good does sitting in a zapped vehicle or a jammed column do? Sometimes shit is fricked and you need to run to fight another day.
This is true to an extent, but do you know why NATO places so much emphasis on the survival of soldiers and crews? Because trained, experienced and well-integrated personnel are the only military commodity that CANNOT be brute-forced with money. Making a trained specialist with 10 or more years of experience takes 10 years and will not go any faster no matter how much cash you throw at it.
To a degree. 20 minutes of actual battle is worth years of training.
It really isn't. That mentality is why NATO forces enjoy hundreds-to-one casualty ratios.
Ukraine has an effectively infinite source of replacement materiel. Prioritizing manpower conservation over equipment conservation is absolutely the right choice for them.
No. Experience cannot make up for proper training anymore than the reverse. In fact, proper trianing is needed for a soldier to truly be able to learn from experience efficiently.
>Game of onions quote
into the trash it goes
Ukraine has far better opsec than Russia, and have done a much better job of concealing their losses throughout the war.
But at least we can all agree that Kharkiv was a fluke.
Focus your efforts on domestic viewers. You're not going to change the outcome of the offensive here.
Go look at some old timers on Facebook.
Or even take a look at some US media.
The propaganda is absolutely working.
In Reality, Ukraine might have pushed forward by 5-20km in multiple sections of the front, but according to Forbes they have made no gains.
Izyum and Lyman were major russian hubs in those stages. It was hardly a fluke. the early days in Balaklya maybe, but there's no excuse for russia losing izyum and lyman like that
They had insufficient forces protecting those, so it was still a fluke.
>pic
Wasn't the Lada actually a halfway decent car though? Like putting aside all jokes, wasn't that the big thing about the Lada, it was the ONE car the Soviet Union produced that's actually worth a damn?
Kind of. Everything happens for a reason. The conditions for another Kharkiv don't exist right now. Trying to stretch Russian lines by creating a massive salient is tremendously risky, given that Russia has some localised air dominance.
They attacked a barely defended section of the battlefield and manage to exploit the breakthrough well, forcing the russians to abandon really advantageous position in the are and I believe to abandon Kherson too.
Here they are attacking a defensive line that had 6 month to be built, after an influx of conscript to plug the gap and without being baited in some other area (if the strike really come for zapo axis and its not all a ruse to actually attack belgorod lmao)
Less of a fluke and more like it happened pre-mobilization and when Russia was a lot more overconfident. Mobiks can lay mines just fine, and there's a lot of them out there.
No, not when you realise how hard the units outside Lyman and Izzy were working beforehand, and how much Ukrainian Intelligence was finding out about the situation there.
yes, the ratio is good, but only if they actually advance. Also, the composition of those losses matters. You'd rather lose a BMP-1 than a T-80, or a Maxxpro than a Bradley. I'd also be curious about casualties
a fluke implies luck or that it was inexplicable. Kharkiv and to a lesser extent Kherson happened because of Russian manpower issues. They've addressed that to an extent, so Ukraine doesn't have any more layups like that. That said, pretty sure the Ukrainians are well aware of that considering they put together 9 new brigades for the purpose of this offensive
was the siege of Lyman and resulting slaughter from the vatnik rout also a fluke?
Why are russians universally hated?
>being absolute filthy savages (inb4 muh 1% muscovite)
>unwillingness to improve
>absolute seething hatred for anyone who does
>regular chimping out and invasions with absolutely savage behavior
>consider themselves top-tier regardless of reality and/or actual data
>extreme focus on propaganda so vatBlack folk constantly claim the above in any media they're not outright banned in
.>when BTFO they turn into absolute whiny beaten puppy mode while having zero remorse/guilt/willingness to improve, then turn back to Russia Stronk mode the second they don't feel the boot on their face
>when BTFO they turn into absolute whiny beaten puppy mode
>while having zero remorse/guilt/willingness to improve
And add zero self-awareness like in webmrelated.
Also nice digits.
Based Mexicans
We do what we can, even if our president is a Putin wienerhole.
>getting talked down by hispanics and hues
>absolutely no remorse
LOLMAO
>wants "a calmer, more tolerant society"
>moves to Brazil
>Why do mexicans hate us so much?
Ask this fricker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alextime
To be fair, despite everything this russki pidor is and represents, the fact that Mexico doesn't have valid Castle Doctrine is what will keep it being a third-world shithole.
>>when BTFO they turn into absolute whiny beaten puppy mode while having zero remorse/guilt/willingness to improve, then turn back to Russia Stronk mode the second they don't feel the boot on their face
This so fricking much, you can only watch them do this so often until you notice how they do this practically always.
>Why are russians universally hated?
Because they're monsters, as well as huge buttholes, and constantly frick with other people doing the most dick shit, projecting their own frickups on everyone else, rather then just being decent and getting rich and educated and civilized despite having enormous land and natural resources? And then they whine about it all too.
Also spent years shitposting on /k/ about how godly their cgi wanderwaffen was and how shit everyone else was.
vast majority of english posting russian shills are pajeet trolls who somehow managed to infest PrepHole too
>russia(n) didndu nuffin, it was aktualy someone else
Every god damn time.
Humans naturally avoid and reject diseased, rotting things that can potentially cause a general decline in their surroundings.
>get a public school captured by terrorists in the middle of a school day somehow
>can't figure out how to talk to the terrorists, decide to give them more hostages to save the children
>proceed to ape out and carpetbomb the school instead of saving the children
Russians are bonobos who've drunk themselves stupider
Chimps are the actual violent ones.
human skin thats been filled with shit. they only look human
Probabky the last 100+ years of russian history. When the cancer on civilisation lasts for generations its probably genetic.
Consider that all the decent people got killed in WW1, the Civil War, the Purge, WW2, the smaller Purge and then the collapse. It makes sense. Multiple generations where anybody with bravery or ambition or smarts gets turned into fertilizer will certainly have a dysgenic effect.
Pre-WW1 Russia exhibits the same characteristics and behaviors as post-WW1 Russia. The only difference is people started playing more attention due to the entire communism thing.
Make two hundred. They were c**ts throughout the19th century already.
>Make two hundred. They were c**ts throughout the19th century already.
Make six hundred. From Muscovia begining as Mongols rabs they were...
Because they couldn't be bothered to scrap their garbage leader and now there's a fricking war in Europe oh and they mass execute and bomb civilians for utter lack of strategy.
Because they're nothing but a nation of sadistic barbarians. They love nothing more than to rape and brutalized anyone and anything that they perceive as being weaker than them. Russroaches display all the worst demons of human nature while possessing none of humanity's more noble traits like altruism or compassion. They are not people, they are evil incarnate.
Just earlier this week, they flooded an area of 600 square kilometres with toxic water, which may directly lead to a nuclear disaster. Russians deserve genocide.
They behave like they have always done for hundreds for years but unlike the germans they never try to improve or make up for it by saying hey we're sorry instead the russians just double down and go WE DIDNT DO IT BUT THE POLACKS DESERVED IT
Well why apologize when you can just double down and cry "WHATABOUT MUH ----" like
did. It's central to their playbook
>And you are lynching Black folks
A true classic.
Thanks for proving my point pidor
>Thanks for proving my point
That was the idea. Not every shitpost is contrarian for the sake of it you know.
So you want to prove you're a moron?
Dude. He's AGREEING WITH YOU.
Listen pal, if me and he want to be morons that fine but you gotta stay out of it. Go find someone else to talk to nerd
Because they occupied our country, ruined our country, stole our natural resources and than called it brotherly help and when we finally got rid of them they began to meddle in our internal politics through fifth column traitors.
Also on a personal level they are usually obnoxious loud ill behaved spoiled brats who for some reason expect that you'll treat them like royalty.
t. Czech
Russians have proven themselves disgusting monsters yet again. The boomers were right, Russia is evil.
For the last two centuries they have dominated their neighbors, and they are still under the mindset that everything should belong to them because they are Russia and Russia is strong. They constantly meddle in other countries affairs, and have no issues with carrying out assassinations to get their way. Ukraine has been trying to pivot away from Russia for decades, but prominent leaders kept winding up dead or poisoned.
In '68 they invaded my country. Looted, raped an pillaged for 20 years. Stunted any progress and any chance of decent future for generations, turned people in to this spiteful creatures, that will rat out the neighbor for a sack of potatoes and roll of toilet paper. That's what Russians do, they don't improve society, they try to drag down everybody to their goblin standards, world would be better place without them.
They ruin every multiplayer videogame they touch and are as bad as the chinks when it comes to not playing on their own fricking servers
I've played on the US west coast and on EU west and Russians are universally worse, at least in the games I play. Chinese players are quiet and don't rage, no matter how moronic they are. Russians are the exact opposite.
Sponsored and trained and armed marxist terrorists in my country that blew up a shop killing one of my family and maiming another.
Samegay
>That's what Russians do, they don't improve society, they try to drag down everybody to their goblin standards, world would be better place without them.
Agree
you know all DA JOOS portraits the two pols like to bring up all the time. Ziggers and xiggers actually encapsule all of that. its like a parody come to life. Main common trait between those two is that they both were imprisoned as foster kids in their mongol step daddies home. Now they both have grown into delinquent thugs while Mongolia mysteriously still exists squeezed between the two megalomaniac imperialists. Despite having lots of resource rich clay with like 2-3 mil pop.
Nigeria with snow.
That fricking prick who decapitated a puppy is a national hero to them. Milchikov or whatever. He's a fricking celebrity. I've probably slotted several afghans and I've never missed a night's sleep over it, but I can't abide the killing of dogs. And they made a national celebrity over it. Which just shows how morally bankrupt the russian state is and the importance of it's dismantling.
I fricking love dogs.
>Milchikov
>NO UR DA NAZI
always makes me lul
It's funny how there are israelites and Nazis on both sides of this meme of a war, even though neither are particularly relevant.
>Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a israelite...
>How about side by side with a israelite?
>Why are russians universally hated?
Are you moronic?
The West has been so lenient and supportive when it comes to Russia. Contrary to what Russian state tv propaganda wants to make you believe, the West actually tried to save the Soviet Union, because the West feared nuclear proliferation. 10 days before the 1991 Ukrainian independence referendum George H.W. Bush went to Ukraine to urge them to vote AGAINST independence. When the SU collapsed and people couldn't get food the West helped out. The West offered Russia strategic partnership programs that went far beyond anything that had been offered to any other East European state. The West tried to integrate Russia ecoonomically. Germany, in particular, went all out with this approach with Nord Stream 1&2, in the hopes that trading so much will make any war seem such a stupid idea that it will never come to pass. We've tried civil society exchange programs in the hopes of bringing the peoples together. And Russia just uses those as intelligence service subversion vehicles. And even when Russia fricked up yet again like with its war with Georgia, the West tried a "reset" of the relationship.
And how did Russia thank the West all its support and leniency?
Non adhering to the contractually agreed upon troop withdrawal from Transnistria, meddling in Western elections, carrying out assassinations in the West. Breaking basically any treaty if it sees it beneficial to do so, like the Helsinki Accords, the Budapest Memorandum, the United Nations Charta. And above all starting multiple wars of aggression with imperial ambitions.
Any hate that Russians get is fully deserved by Russia's actions.
At every step of the way Russia was rewarded by the West for it's criminality. I'm pretty sure the West didn't realise that's what it was doing, but it was. The West is like a man who feeds a wolf that comes to his door every day and is then surprised when ti turns round and bites him. Of course it did, it's a wolf.
>It's the West's fault Russia acts so shitty!
Russia has repeatedly been given the benefit of the doubt because to the West Russia would have be moronic to consistently bite the hand that feeds it. And throughout the Yeltsin years and Putin's first tenure Russia was largely content to not be a complete shithead to the major world players.
The difference is the West domesticates the wolf and becomes part of the pack. The Russian feeds the wolf alcohol and lets it go on a rampage.
They killed nearly every blue whale in the Atlantic (~350 were left when they stopped) and huge percentage of every other whale population they could find, for literally no reason. The meat was in most cases left to rot.
When you finally begin to see through all these layers of Potemkin Village and listen to what Eastern Europe has been saying for centuries you begin to understand their essence: The post-Soviet mafia group "Ozero", led by a paranoid KGB dwarf, governs a degenerate submissive apathetic alcoholic mystery meat herd that is politically schizophrenic, is a carrier of a degenerate imperial multicultural aggressive culture with the highest abortion rate in the world, one of the top ten HIV infections in the world, one of the worst situations of corruption, the second largest producer of child porn in the world, people who barely attend church, where the situation with human trafficking is terrible, people who live in absolute poverty. People who have in their heads: "we didn't live well - and we dont have to start living well", "we didn't live well ourselves and won't let others live well", who cope with reality by driving everyone around them into their own shit and poverty while trying to appear intimidating. A country that looks only to the past, not to the future. An open-air prison with a massive brain drain, a gulag of nations, a gas station that threatens the entire world with nuclear weapons every week if they don't do what it wants. They haven't produced a fricking thing since the Soviet Union collapsed. Their main monkey built a palace worth about $1,400,000,000 for himself and the population absolutely doesn't give a frick, they say it's human nature to steal and that the next president could steal even more. They are like animals who are only guided by reflexes. Life is good when you have something to eat, "as long as TV wins over the refrigerator". "Freedom is when you have corruption". Are they being sent to die in the war that they started? Do they drop a nuclear bomb on their neighbors? They don't give a frick, "the country's leadership knows better, they're smarter people than we are, I'm apolitical". An aggressive degenrative obidient horde.
They keep screaming RUSSOPHOBIA, DONBABWE, WESTERN HYPOCRITE IMPERIALISTS and NAZIS whenever someone says that maybe they shouldn't invade their neighbors, its real annoying
Were americans that insecure during Iraq invasion, the second one chasing made up WMD's that is?
50/50. Some were upset we went there on false pretenses. The rest just saw it as finishing what was started.
There was a bit of shittery regarding 2003, like an idiotic backlash against France for not wanting to show up. This resulted in the infamous 'freedom fries' incident.
If you briefly look at how russia has evolved over the past 7 centuries it becomes clear that it is a tumor that can do nothing but constantly expand its territory and fight with all its neighbors. It is a backward principality of Kievan Rus, which became a vassal of the Mongols, was busy constantly killing its neighbors and at one point became a Bolshevik that continued to kill its neighbors.
The only time Russia lived normally was when it larped as a Western country and copied the west (Peter the Great, Catherine the Great (ethnic german), Glasnost and Perestroika). If we throw this away, all that remains is human suffering, misery, and the exporting of suffering to others.
They had their chance to change after the fall of the Union, they even had their chance in the Russian empire but their army didn't change in 150 years it has the absolutely same problems.
Every. Every country neighboring Russia has problems and conflicts with Russia, every country sees Russians as aggressive moronic baboons, from Finland to Japan. Every former Warsaw Pact country and literally all (but one dictatorial country) former Soviet Union countries have become integrated into the West. Why so?
The only country on the whole fricking globe that understood them and could be their friend after the collapse of the union, even despite all the history, was Ukraine. A country that they could build strong ties with. And you know what they started to do with it? Started a war in Ukraine, started killing its people, forcefully deporting children, killing civilians, bombing civilian infrastructure and enjoying it, cutting the heads off military personnel, castrating military personnel, shooting prisoners of war for saying national salute, said that this country is artificial and shouldn't exist, lying every day since 2014. 470+ days of a very special military operation. That's how they treat someone who they perceive as their ""brothers"".
Russia is a cancerous boil on the face of the planet that tries to consume everything into its prison existence.
Frogs have moderates?
We exist, I'm even buying the Ukrainians FPV drones, 2 mobiks were injured so far thanks to them and I'm sending a new batch soon
thank you
You're welcome
You see, they have a way to frick over the entire world, I live as far away from them as possible yet even now I could see their influence, they backed up the general who ended democracy in my country and plummeted us into a decade of social and economic disasters, they had no problems selling weaponry to this guy so he could start a war with our neighbors of the south because like the russians even after nearly a century he couldn't forgive and learn, fortunately he died (rumors is the CIA got him and I couldn't be more thankful for that), but their ideological influence still lingers to this day plummeting the region into periods of stagnation, they promote jealously, herd mentality and have no problems with corruption, more recently their move on Ukraine hit us yet again with major inflation after already having to endure the onslaught of the pandemic.
But what pisses me off the most is that they basically blew every attempt the west made to integrate them into the global order, most countries wish they could have been afforded with the leniency the russians got.
Oh, and before you bullshit me with you never saw in first person, my family have visited Russia back during the SU era and under Putin and we have been into one of their former satellite states (NK, Cuba), grandpa remembered how the russian girl started screaming in panic when he accidentally offered to pay some wares he wanted to purchase with dollars at a store at Moscow. Fast forward to 2017 I visited Cuba, and it was more or less the same, with people fricked over by the economic and political system the russians promoted, they destroyed one dictatorship just to create another.
Have you actually dealt with russians? I mean beside as a useful idiot that is tolerated by them.
I’m a brit, we went around the world and built road and railways, set up legal systems and other things and whilst I am proud that we achieved that, I understand we’re hated for slaughtering everyone who stood in way, extracting resources, destroying people’s traditional ways of life, making people second class citizens on their own land, drawing borders across their family lines. I think that Russia could do with that same kind of introspection sometimes
Why are Black folk hated? Because they’re lazy? Ignorant? Blame everyone one else from problems they themselves cause, yet take credit for everyone else’s achievement? Speak nothing but lies constantly? Contribute nothing to the societies they live in yet take advantage of the other people they share a nation with? I could go on; my question is what is the difference between a Russian and a Black person?
Not fricking much.
Russians make worse music.
"Russians are like black people but wrong color." - Japanese proverb
Thanks guys.
I appreciate your perspectives. I hate them cause they have no honor, hurt others for imperialism, and for being murderous orcs. That was fun.
The same reason everyone hated the Germans and many still do -
Because millions of people supporting a mass murdering warmonger
Russian culture as a whole has traits most people despise when they see them in individuals in their societies.
Most decent cultures have a strong sense of family and value things like honor and honesty. Russians on the other hand lie so much they consider it normal and a part of their national identity. They also don't really place any value on family or community. They consider their inability to work well with others almost as a thing to be proud of. These among others things has made most people distrust and hate the Russians
The main problem comes from the fact that they are literally the successor state to the Mongol empire in every meaningful way and have been for centuries.
It's actually a lot since Ukraine has less armor in general and therefore more reliant on civilian vehicles. Also, let's not forget the fact the fact that the loss ratio throughout the whole war was about 1 to 3 in Ukraine's advantage. Therefore 1,16 to 1 ratio is pretty bad for them.
I always ridicule burgers, but it's just bants.
But every single trace of r*ssians should be removed from Earth.
This.
This is a statement that pro-Kremlin people cannot answer:
A lot of people hate America, but still like American culture more incidentally than they hate it. At the same time, nobody fricking likes Russian culture, whatever that is (same statement applies to China and Chinese culture).
Well there are people that like flied lice and pagodas. Also there are decent Russians, but they are a small minority.
>1.16 K/D based on social media when UA is on information blackout
bravo, and kys
elaborate
>Ukrainians took everyone's phones so we don't get juicy hd videos that would get friendly units shelled or droned
>ziggers have momentary media superiority
>ziggers use that chance to post the scarce media they do have in all the variants they can, photoshop a few more, and claim that each shot is a separate Ukie loss
>still +0.16
Near 1 to 1 losses for the attackers is amazing, if wagner did that at bakhmut i would re-consider how this war would play out but they got fricked and dipped.
>post video of your unit celebrating defense from a Ukrainian attack on Telegram
>your post goes viral
>your camp goes kaboom
Many such cases
Lmao, Ukraine is literally posting every fresh and not-so-fresh bit of Russian losses footage just to cope with Leopards and Bradleys losses
Where? We haven't seen anything from the normal channels in a week, other than that one firefight on YouTube poster here yesterday which is a month old
it was always the other way around, sweaty. Its the ukies who record more footage because they are allowed their phones. On the other side its mostly millitias and pmcs who are allowed phones.
It's not irrational to hate people who destroy cities out of spite and ship truckloads of Asiatic scum to replace the people they murdered.
Wtf I hate America now. But seriously I don't know where you people come from but I can't wait to delete your avatar in Minecraft, no Russians needed. Post address you people are trash
Ah scizos
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500, USA
I'll be waiting
99 New York Avenue NE, Washington, DC 20226
Damn the Russians desaturated the city
just like their own cities. they ruined their living spaces with bolshevik architecture, and by result you have grey, soulless and depressing hellscapes.
It's not russophobia, it's russo-awareness
battles where the attackers won:
el alamein 1.27:1
overlord 2:1
kursk 4:1
battles where the attackers lost:
bulge 0.75:1
so yeah, it's more about what you can afford to lose and risk vs. reward. if the ukies make it to the sea (or even halfway - which is enough to cut off major rail and road lines and shell the rest into oblivion) then they can probably justify losing a lot of equipment - if they fail to take any significant ground then even moderate losses are a bad sign.
Arestovych promises that Ukraine will reach the seashore during this counter-offensive, and more often than not this man is on point, so let's see.
Thats a pretty big ask imo. Possible maybe, but not with the manpower they have at the moment. 9 assault brigades is a lot of guys, but its not "300km deep penetration" numbers unless you want to end up with a meme snek offensive that gets its tail cut.
It's not 300 km, it's less than 100 km actually.
Okay. Open the google maps, its a measuring contest.
okay i was wrong, its like 90km
nta but looks like 100km is plenty to get into range of everything with plain old arty. If they get that kind of penetration they're making it all the way just a matter of time, they can completely cut Russia's logistics lines at that point.
Remember that the 9 assault brigades are spearhead units that still get followed by regular regiments and TDF
Also the Ukies are liberating their territory, they don’t need to occupy hostile land which makes holding it easier too
>El Alamein
>Kursk
>attacker won
What did I just read?
the second battle of el alamein was a british attack and victory. kursk figure is for the soviet counter-offensive, not the initial german attack - but fine if you want to contest that just move kursk to the other column - the point still stands.
there is a good reason 3:1 is stated as benchmark, past that point victories are increasingly rare if there is remotely any parity. but as long as you're not using equipment left and right it's, again, more about what you can afford to lose and how much you'll gain for your losses.
>if the ukies make it to the sea (or even halfway - which is enough to cut off major rail and road lines and shell the rest into oblivion) then they can probably justify losing a lot of equipment
This. Victory and disrupting the strategic status quo and in turn preventing it from turning into a frozen conflict would justify major losses. Mainly they can't have so many losses that they then can't hold what they take, but anything short of that would be worth it for enough results (obviously they'd prefer as few as possible). Cutting the land bridge would be huge and leave lots of Russian forces cut off, and make holding Crimea untenable. Critically for Ukraine it'd silence the increasing Western bullshit artists trying to push the Kremlin line again. It's a lot harder to cut off aid when the good guys are winning.
moronic take. It's not insecurity to despise an enemy.
You think the Americans were "insecure" when they fought and defeated their enemy who they despised and wanted to see suffer? How about the Russians who despised the Germans and all they stood for?
>Why are Americans hated more than Russians?
Because there are more spiteful shit stains in china and India combined than all the playful bantering countries in all of Europe combined.
Good thing I'm a russorealist and not a russophobe then.
>',' as decimal seperator
Third worlder opinion confirmed
everyone under the age of 60 in europe uses . as the decimal separator. the use of , is a boomer thing.
No they don’t lol.
Yes they do. Seen it in Germany, Poland, France.
>Germany
No one uses '.' here dude because '.' is used to denote thousands. Stop lying out of your ass.
If I could be bothered I would screenshot my car's German repair manual where they use commas for decimal points but whatever. Typical lying Kraut, your engineering sucks btw.
Polack here. We use both interchangeably.
I've lived in half a dozen European countries and visited a dozen more: "." is almost universal in business, academia and formal correspondence. The only time you'll see "," is in hand-writing (hand scribbled prices at the grocers, post-it notes, etc.) and by boomers.
>We still use (,) in Russia.
PROTIP: You no longer count when Europe is being discussed.
Are you moronic?
anyone in STEM or anything finance related uses "." if you're using "," chances are you are moronic.
Yes because of programing. But in real world you use whatever everyone does
As an eastern euro electrical engineer I use thr comma as a decimal separator. Point users are gays
The frick, we absolutely do not
t. Swede
We still use (,) in Russia.
>arabic decimal separator
>it's just a curlier comma
kek
To be fair, the modern numerals we use come from arabic numerals.
>To be fair, the modern numerals we use come from arabic numerals.
Comes from sankrit, but was adopted by Arabs
1.5k
1,500
Simple as.
Why is it called phobia if I’m not scared of them, just hate them
If they reach the shore of Azov with enough materiel and manpower to defend their gains: then it doesn't matter if they lose most their western gear. It would be the beginning of the end for Russia. If they make it far enough to cut railways and highways (about half-way) with enough left to defend their gains and harass remaining supply lines: then it would still be a pretty decent outcome but the optics would be nearly as great. Although the halfway scenario plus reversing all Russian gains in the east since winter (including muh Bakhmut) would probably be as big a propaganda coup while being far less of a practical triumph than reaching the shore.
I highly doubt the halfway mark could be a stopping point though. If they get far enough to bring the rest into easy strike range, and with enough to defend that, then it's only a matter of time since Russia will end up sandwiched against the sea. They can't just steadily fallback logistics and such (into their own country particularly). Russia has to prevent Ukraine from getting anymore then like, 1/4 to 1/3 of the way in.
I also doubt that's something either side would be aiming for or a situation that would stay stable: but if it ends up that way temporarily due to attrition then the situation would still favour future ukie breakthrough to the sea - as you pointed out. It would force the Russians to act in a major way or be squeezed for the rest of the year until they're completely fricked.
3:1 (5:1 for really well dug-in lines) tends to be the minimal force ratio for an attacking/defending side on an equal technological footing, largely the reason for this is to cope with the losses on the attacking side. This is an estimate based on battles from the 17th century to the mid 70s and there are far better force multipliers these days so those numbers can definitely be outdated. Still 1.16 vs 1 for an attacking side definitely isn't bad, that's assuming they are making decent gains or whittling down the lines. If they are just spinning their wheels the ratio might still be good, but for 0 purpose.
I'm a russo realist.
It's hard to guess if it is a representative statistic, because Oryx has a pretty long backlog. It will only be useful in hindsight and over a longer period of time.
>phobia = an IRRATIONAL fear
>"It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you."
>at 15 Bradleys destroyed/disabled now per Oryx
Definitely a vehicle for someone who enjoys air superiority
reciprocity is not some globohomosexual conspiracy, it's a basic feature of human thinking. if you don't want the world to hate you don't go around fricking with people just to stoke your delusions.
there is no such thing as russophobia, it's a term russians pulled out of their own ass
you can't have a phobia against stinky shit, it's a normal reaction to something vile, unpleasent and unhealthy
That's hard to believe. But if true, the Ukrainians have better crew survivability even on the attack, assuming that these numbers are a mix of Soviet & Western kit.
If true it's godly. I mean we are talking initial probing attacks with dogshit like humvees as well.
Ukrainians are advancing, which means the recovery of their equipment, but also the RF equipment fuels much needed spares on the ukrainian side as well, with the attackers maybe more natively able to utilise and improvise with any Russian shit they capture.
This is where shit starts to get really cool, with RF jerry-rigged to NATO stuff, and the NATO stuff tested out for carrying the growing "Horde" of the attackers as they pull every piece of offensive equipment they can onto their machines. They won't stay looking very NATO for long.
>Your mind has been frazzled on propaganda consumption
Oh yeah, propaganda like the entire History of World War II where they were considered the "good guys" and still acted like bastards.
>You think it’s okay to hate Russia now
>now
There has never been a time when I didn't think it acceptable to hate Vatniks. You're sorely mistaken if you think I'm bandwagoning. Show me a single point in time where a nontrivial number of Russians have acted like decent human beings. I've looked and have yet to find one.
>you’ll lose your hate-pass. What will happen to you then?
I don't need someone else's approval to hate. Unlike your termite colony of perpetual sodomites, people here in America are capable of forming their own opinions without needing to get approval from their local strong man. To be fair, Russian Americans that are born and raised here usually manage to act like regular people so it's not like they have a genetic proclivity to evil. They just have a fricked up culture.
I'm not a russBlack person but wasn't the Republic of Novgorod or something pretty good? I've heard it said that if Novgorod had survived Russians might have had a shot of becoming actual human beings, but when the Mongols smashed it they inevitably became snow Black folk due to getting fricked up so bad.
The fact that we're looking back five centuries to find an example of them being decent people says a lot.
Because something something Black folk something something trannies something something women and minorities and israelites
>Yet you didn’t care even slightly back in 2014.
Where do you get this shit from? 2014 was a big fricking deal, you might have been too young to notice or didn't learn English yet and only saw what was presented by your state media - but 2014 was a pivotal moment in West-Russia relations.
If you really care only about peace and love: would you agree that Russia completely withdrawing from Ukraine would be the best course of actions?
It is for an attacker.
>You think it’s okay to hate Russia now
Now? As of right now, it's not "okay". It's fricking MANDATORY for the civilized world. Torture facilities in liberated towns, mass graves, rape videos cheerfully shared to Telegram, shooting missiles and Shahsneeds at civilian facilities? And now the latest moral nadir: blowing a civilian dam for mass punishment against the people Russia invaded, then shelling the victims and their rescuers? Hatred, revulsion, and cold-blooded rage are all more than justified.
>Why are they sub-humans now, but not in 2014
You're delusional if you think anyone was ok with the 2014 invasion of Crimea. We just didn't think it was egregious enough do anything major about it.
>Why wasn’t /k/ wall-to-wall anti-Russia screeching?
Probably because Armatard had yet to shit up the board with his Mig-31 posts. The 2016 election along with the sale of 4chin also lead to changes in how this place is moderated.
>Or Chechnya? Or Afghanistan? Or …?
Those nations were themselves barbaric enough that we didn't care what happened to them, and shitty behaviour could be chalked up to both sides competing in a race to the (moral) bottom.
Because Russia played naive western politicians for fools in 2014 and executed a successful take-over of strategic areas with minimal losses. That appealed to a good portion of /k/.
They also didn't threaten to flood Europe with a nuclear tsunami. And even then plenty of people in the west lost hope Russia would ever be a normal nation back then. Hell, plenty of people had a (correctly) pessimistic opinion of Russians for decades. I personally realized Russia would always be a cesspit around the beginning of Medvedev's term as president and Georgia - 15 years ago.
Do you even get what you're saying?
>Stupid naive westerners didn't advocate for TZD in 2014, such fools.
Yeah, even normies won't be making that same mistake twice.
No one needs propaganda to hate you Ivan. The truth of your savagery is enough. You are doing literally everything Westerners despise and you can't hide it.
I thought you were less than animals before it was cool, and I will hold this truth close to my heart long after your miserable culture has been consigned to a cold, shallow grave.
>And yet where were you in 2014?
Lamenting the fact that Russia wasn't turned into a radioactive wasteland in the 50's.
>>From Sunday, when the Ukrainian counteroffensive began until Friday evening, Ukraine, according to Oryx estimates, lost 65 pieces of equipment, while Russia lost 56.
No....that's what Oryx has photo verified, not the actual losses. Nice try tho'. Yes it would be a good Ration but its actually much much better than that (by a long way) for Ukraine.
>The entire ukrainian army can't beat the remaining
37800 russian soldiers across a 2k km frontline.
Bpaжaє!
Arty destroyed the last few days
June 6th - 36
June 7th - 37
June 8th - 38
June 9th - 24
June 10th - 15
June 11th - 19
They slowed down the last 2 days. Wonder if that's because the frontline shifted or the ruskie logistics are starting to fail yet again
Looks like they swoitched priority back to mbts and apcs
apcs destroyed last few days
June 6th - 20
June 7th - 17
June 8th - 16
June 9th - 24
June 10th - 7
June 11th - 24
MBTs
June 6th - 12
June 7th - 13
June 8th - 18
June 9th - 10
June 10th - 8
June 11th - 17
I still don't think this is yet what I call a full commitment offensive by the Ukrainians, I think its an attempt at a Russian organised retreat partially covered by blowing the dam that is not going particularly well
>Why are Americans hated more than Russians?
They are not. I like Americans generally speaking and have a few good American frens.
Reminder that ruining online games and invading and occupying nations and enforcing kgb torture centre communists police states and sponsoring marxists terrorists that attack innocent civilians are or invading Ukraine and executing entire villages , raping toddlers and gang murder raping girls while also looting, torturing, castrating pows and burning homes while all good reasons to nuke Russia, are not in the same league of evil.
Some people don't care about war crimes, flat out. People's hearts are different, and different buttons are needed to be pressed to upset them. The question is why everyone hates Russians. Some people don't hold the crimes of the Russian government against the Russian people, much like many people loathe the US government but like Americans. Playing online games and coming into contact with the Russian everyman is a much more personal experience than watching TV and seeing what the media wants you to think about Russia, or receiving the dry facts of their government's crimes.
Wrong. There is no comparison between the conduct of Russian forces and American ones and there never has been. To even attempt a comparison at this point is whataboutism. I don't loath the US government or presidents either or the American people, they are a nation that has been a good friend to mine, I.
You may not feel that way, but some people do. I'm just trying to explain why so many people hate Russians. Russians being despicable personally has a lot to do with that. It's impressive that Russians are awful on so many levels, they push everyone's buttons no matter how different they are. There is no one reason why people hate Russians, the closest one would be "for everything"
A better question is why are Russians not ashamed of themselves and their nation for what it has being doing for the last 100 years. That includes murdering 20 million of their own countrymen (at least) under stalin and lenin and the gulags.
You are projecting human feelings on entities that have nothing in common.
Death, stagnation, misery, and humiliation can not phase the russian, all it cares for is the vicarious feeling of power from watching someone else being tortured. Even if it's their own countrymen, they take pride in the power their tyrannical oppressors are exercising.
Total Zigger Death is what this world needs.
>Total Zigger Death is what this world needs.
This
They are servile, cowardly and disgusting pond scum. The literal worst people on the Earth. Of course they're shameless and even proud of being massive fricking c**ts.
Russians march in lockstep with their government and military, so I don't care to distinguish between them. There is no dissent, there is no internal debate. They just whoop and holler and cheer every time a Ukie child gets bombed.
Vatnik lowlives Implying others to fall for propaganda will never not be funny.
Cmon bud
>And yet where were you in 2014? Why wasn’t /k/ wall-to-wall anti-Russia screeching?
Way to reveal yourself as a newbie moron, the /k/lankening was the most fun I had on this board.
Tanks 30 minutes out brothers
i just want to see more battle maps and combat footage
>intensity, scale and lethality of a conflict escalates dramatically
>the conflict gains a proportional increase of media attention
Literally 1984
Ukies just liberated a village.
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/11-june-reported-yesterday-but-visually-confirmed-today-
Guess it's time for the old diagram again
>old diagram
yeah old is how I would describe it too
I'm glad you made that point, I really am. Here's the new one.
It's worse. It's so much worse :DDDD
This has already happened before.
Why does he ask for it again?
>16% in favor of Russia in Germany
Jesus christ
Russian rape babies and Russian diaspora.
>Russian rape babies and Russian diaspora.
This. Those that don't renounce Russian citizenship need to be deported, they behave like absolute animals in every country there are in anyway with their zigger and victory day bullshit. No respect for the nations that they are in who are democracies and support Ukraine. The lot of them should be sent back, they are no better than criminal Africans sent into Europe in wager human trafficking convoys behaving with impunity. Get rid of the lot and get them in buses to the russian border and shove them over
>no better than criminal Africans sent into Europe in wagner human trafficking convoys behaving with impunity. Get rid of the lot and get them in buses to the russian border and shove them over
fixed
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-blames-surge-migration-russias-wagner-group-2023-03-13/
"13 Mar 2023 — ROME, March 13 (Reuters) - The Italian government on Monday said Russian mercenary group Wagner was behind a surge in migrant boats"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/13/wagner-group-italy-migrants-hybrid-war-ukraine-invasion/
Guido Crosetto, Italy’s defence minister, said: “I think it is now safe to say that the exponential increase in the migratory phenomenon departing from African shores is also, to a not insignificant extent, part of a clear strategy of hybrid warfare that the Wagner division is implementing, using its considerable weight in some African countries.
“The EU, Nato and the West, just as they realised that cyber attacks were part of the global clash that the Ukrainian conflict opened up, should now understand that the southern European front is also becoming more dangerous every day.
“They should also realise that uncontrolled and continuous immigration, added to the economic and social crisis, is becoming a way to hit the most exposed countries, first and foremost Italy, and their geo-strategic choices, clear and sharp.”
There is a why we look down on East germans and call them Zonenaffen.
Based moderate poles
>Those polish numbers
>97% unfavorable, 91% strongly so
Based. I've never seen numbers that lopsided on any national poll on any subject before
>Poles
Yeah but that's kind of expected. Look at those Swedish numbers though! Vatniks awakened a primordial bloodlust in the ancient Viking genetic code. I fear what it may mean for the world when the Norse have a Great Reawakening.
Yeah. I imagine the hatred for snownigerians has increased about 100 times after their illegal war in Ukraine
>spamming /k/atalog
>low-grade strawmaning
Now I hate you even more.
>while Russia lost 56.
any pictures or wembs?
Turdies and nigh-turdies (like zhangs) trying to cope with the fact that they got dominated and colonized by Europeans centuries ago, because their civs (if they even have one to begin with) failed and couldn't discover and/or develop anything worthwhile, while Europeans discovered the scientific method, revolutionized everything and created the modern world. America=European descended, and is the most powerful nation on Earth.
I want americans to be less boastful, I want russhits to be less alive
>t. fr*nch
>I want americans to be less boastful
Why would you want this? American's absurdly off the wall patriotism and arrogance is one of their most endearing qualities.
>Is 1,16 to 1 a good ratio for an advancing side?
Actually yes, surprisingly good.
Another thing to consider. If the Ukrainians can keep advancing, they should be able to recover some of the damaged vehciles and send them off for repair. Armor can be pretty fricked up, yet still be refurbished and put back into service. Western equipment also favors crew survivability, so once the equipment is returned, the crews can go back into the fight as well.
what are you quoting?
Attackers should be trading in 2 for 1, so yes, those are very very good numbers.
I mean usually the attacker has a harder time even if they have an advantage simply because they have to advance and the defender doesn't so....yes? I mean if those are the numbers that genuinely doesn't sound that bad. Now I'll never claim to be some great tactician but I can at least use a calculator and that seems about right considering Ukraine's hardware advantage. I mean what did people think was going to happen, that western vehicles were just impervious to soviet-era weapons?
Yes, very. When you consider that the typically accepted ratio of losses between the attacker and defender falls somewhere between 3-5:1, if Ukraine is managing a nearly equal kill ratio against the Russians, while on the offensive, that’s quite impressive.
tsmt
He's right. You wouldn't be afraid of a wienerroach, so why a Russian?
>Is 1,16 to 1 a good ratio for an advancing side?
Yes, actually. It's pretty good since you are also fighting the emplaced defenses.
It's a good ratio considering that the Russians had months to get well entrenched.
So why don't you just point out the recent losses you think are fake? Shouldn't be hard... unless...
Are you brown?