From a tactical perspective I can understand why an outdated tank would still be used by an underequipped army, but how the fuck do you get someone to...

From a tactical perspective I can understand why an outdated tank would still be used by an underequipped army, but how the fuck do you get someone to willingly crew one of these things? Tanks are already high-profile targets for enemy anti-tank weapons, and crewing an outdated tank with outdated defenses is basically just asking to die, you'd be more likely to survive on foot since at least you're not drawing as much fire, wouldn't you?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are really only 2 types of countries using older tanks like this.
    >North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba
    Where the crews aren't doing it willingly.
    >Various third world states fighting local warlords (DRC, Paraguay, Uganda)
    Where the likelihood of the enemy having any anti-tank weapon more modern than an RPG-7 is low. The Cartels or local Islamic extremists aren't going to be packing ATGMs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't the Ukrainians using captured shitty Russian tanks though?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ukrainian tanks arent that much better. Hell in most cases Russian tanks are better as they have better engine, better armor package, better gun that could fire better rounds, better FCS and whatnot. Fucking T-72B3 (Russia's standard MBT in Ukraine) has auto target tracking while T-64BVM doesn't

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The T-72B3 was Russia’s way to have thousands of modern MBTs in a short period of time because they couldn’t spend the money on T-90Ms, let alone T-14s, and it shows (just look at the ERA brick placement). Upgraded Ukrainian T-64s are just as good as any upgraded Russian shitbox.

          And now I get to sit and wait like a good little boy for a M-55S (a cool little dude) to take out a T-90 or T-80.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Upgraded Ukrainian T-64s are just as good as any upgraded Russian shitbox.

            And yet about the only upgrade they did on T-64BVM are gunner's thermal sight and a slapdash of new ERA on front hull. The engine, transmission, FCS and even the munitions are still from 70s/80s

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To my knowledge, "shitty Russian tanks" are still T-72 variants, which means they're at least 2 decades older than anything in the OP pic. And most of the time they're T-72B variants, which have all the features you would expect on a modern MBT; reactive armor, stabilizers, sat nav, modern optics, modern engines, targeting computers, etc.
        Of course, it's all Russian-made, so those things are all prone to breaking and inferior to their western counterparts, but the crews don't know that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >T-72B variants, which have all the features you would expect on a modern MBT; reactive armor, stabilizers, sat nav, modern optics, modern engines, targeting computers, etc
          Lol.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See the last sentence of my post. T-72B3Ms have all that stuff on paper. It's just broken and the parts to fix it were sold for vodka in 2018. Or it never really worked right in the first place, but it did the job well enough for Russians to convince their crews that they had it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You think t72 is at least 2 decades older than a t34, so your opinion is irrelevant

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Think of it as a sidegrade. Plus they can install better western supplied electronics and optics.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the crews aren't doing it willingly
      Tell me where can the crew choose which tank they ride.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Cartels or local Islamic extremists aren't going to be packing ATGMs.
      Yet. Ukies have been selling Javelins and NLAWs like crazy on the black market.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but how the fuck do you get someone to willingly crew one of these things?
    Because it's that or walk it.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Being inside any kind of steel box is preferable to not being inside one when you are being shelled.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >person enlists
    >make them crew shitty tank
    >they don't have a choice
    also I'm willing to bet most of the nations that operate old tanks aren't really expecting to use them against (relatively) modern AT assets, the only ones I can think of where it's a legit possibility are Romania and Taiwan

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is that a leopard with a t72 turret?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes its a concept made after reunification

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Has kitbashing gone too far?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    amx is actually sick and could be viable even today if modernized. bulldog aswell

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > T-72 variants, which means they're at least 2 decades older than anything in the OP pic.
    >at least 2 decades older than anything in the OP pic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shit, meant newer.

      You think t72 is at least 2 decades older than a t34, so your opinion is irrelevant

      I'm drunk, cut me some slack.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm drunk
        All is forgiven.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most comically-outdated tanks are used in the two situations where a bad tank is good - where the enemy has no tanks, or where your alternative to old tanks is no tanks.

    The fundamental rule of tanks is that if all you have is a bad tank, but the other side has no tank, you have a very good tank.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how the fuck do you get someone to willingly crew one of these things
    tell him he's an infantryman otherwise

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What has willingly got to do with anything? Soldiers take orders.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For anyone wondering, Paraguay is the nation that still runs M3 Stuarts. And Shermans, apparently. Paraguay also has a navy with a gunboat from 1930 as the flagship. Paraguay's navy kinda makes more sense than Bolivia's but it's still weird.

    Looking through the military equipment lists of poor or third-world nations is fascinating, it's like a journey back in time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >imblying

      Thai army still maintains old IJA tank

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ha-Go in digi camo
        Did I take my crazy pills today

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's a running theme in that part of the world

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but how the fuck do you get someone to willingly crew one of these things?

    Any armor is worse than no armor.

    Serious answer is you build an actual working combined arms system and tell your Tankers they won't be alone out there.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm always fascinated by the end dea of taking old tanks and improve it way beyond what is originally planned by their respective designers. Things like Super Sherman, Olifant Mk2, M60T etc. is much more interesting to me than armata or abramsex

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed, modernized kraut shit in particular tickles my pickle for some reason.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    your tank is likely to be destroyed eventually, but as a crewmember, you still have a pretty good chance of not being instantly killed and getting to escape with your life. better odds than infantry.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tank: might be killed if the enemy have antitank weapons ready
    >no tank: might be killed if the enemy have literally anything at all
    Which is better and why?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chart shows t-34-85 but lists gun as 76.2mm

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