Just use the warranty. Let them fix it or replace it. I checked the warranty for EU and it was a dogshit 2 year warranty to US' lifetime. I wanted to buy the gaiter pants, but they told me it uses the EU warranty since it isn't sold in US.
I wanted the ventilation without the moronic nylon spandex crotch that is destined to blow out at the crotch in the middle of the wildy.
I have a small hole in mine and it's less than a year old. Pockets are nice though and the crotch hasn't blown out.
My Dickies 874 lasted about a year for $20. Only things I used. If they had another pocket or two i'd probably still use them. Pick your poison: >quality of life, expensive, pockets, double knee, ankle tightener, can take knee cushion, pockets distribute weight well, and works well with a base layer during winter. I wish the rise was higher or had suspenders. >cheap, lasts a year, dries fast, fits good, and looks good, just as light.
I mean for being almost 9 times cheaper, you aren't going to get 9x the lifespan with the fjallraven pants unless you milk their warranty.
I wouldn't wax them though. It's not waterproof will make the pants breathe extremely poorly. Polycotton is already a wonderful fabric that will dry extremely fast. It's loose enough too that when it is wet the water doesn't transfer easily to skin. Same for Dickies. I've fished all day in them without my legs getting wet due to the loose fit. Still breathed like a champ.
I wish they just made a basic heavyweight pant though in the g1000 (polycotton) heavyweight fabric though. The pants are still light in my book. >Fjallraven as a company
is in a funny spot. They're seen as a fashion brand in US here and acts like one, but they could compete with Carhartt/Dickies and other work brands if they focused more on function rather than the moronic kanken backpack fashion.
>wanted the ventilation without the moronic nylon spandex crotch that is destined to blow out at the crotch in the middle of the wildy.
the crotch on my old prana's are made of that material and they've survived over 10yrs of rock climbing and shit no problem.
polycotton and cotton is way more likely to blow out, stretch nylon is probably the most resistant material on the market to it.
would have been nice if fjallraven gave it a gusseted crotch design. looks dorky and lets people see the outline of your wiener & balls when you sit down, but helps immensely with lifespan.
Prana had the most popular, most highly praised pants out there for years: the stretch Zions. The regular cut fit like bell bottoms which I guess is better for climbing (I’m totally clueless in that regard) and the straights (now called slim) fit like regular pants. I bought a pair years ago for full price and immediately bought another after trying them out.
Then Prana decided to signal to ride the wave they’d created with good products and switch to a “lifestyle brand.” They started making this model of pants out of recycled material and weren’t shy about telling everyone. The various online aggregate ratings fell from around 4.9/5 to 3.5/5 (that’s on their home page, with like 700 reviews).
The same thing happened with Airwalk shoes. They made legitimate, functional site shoes but decided to switch to a lifestyle brand. They went from the third largest sneaker manufacturer in the world to being exclusive to Payless in like 5 years.
have the same prana pants before the company decided to ruin them with their update. Good pants and nylon is a good material, however it didn't stop my ventilated fjallravens from a blown out crotch. I don't have any issues with flexing on my standard vidda pros.
If you want the svelte athletic trainer nylon, just go for the keb trousers.
if they were like $300 and made in sweden, america, or a named factory in china i'd probably buy them. still not sure how i feel about buying higher end stuff from vietnam even though they're clearly going the way of china (where it used to be synonymous with crap and now most $1000+ designer stuff is made there)
what puts me off is the condescending story they have on their website justifying about making their stuff on the other side of the world. It's far from the only company that does it but still. The tone is above average insulting. Thought Swedish companies might have a little more tact than American ones but I guess not.
marketing department writing their story because it's important to hipsters like the geargays that keep posting these threads.
Garand Thumb wears them so they must be good.
I've seen that too. No way a normie europoor company would actually sponsor a US gun channel though, right?
Compared to your average pant, they are good. Nowhere near the best value because a wide legged pant with a good design at the waist isn't going to blow out at the crotch or knees for years. Buy the double knee Dickies pants and they will last just as long, plus you can buy like 8 of them for 1 fjallraven pant. But most pants though are made for PrepHoleggots, so with that low standard in mind, they are exceptional to the competition.
Most the duluth trading/5.11 brand that aim for workwear chic are just made for overweight weekend warriors, so PrepHole
https://www.dickies.com/double-knee-pants/loose-fit-double-knee-work-pants/85283.html?dwvar_85283_color=KH#start=1
the wool trousers by big ben in canada are also phenomenal. The plaid ones.
Also the nyco pants the military used to use, the m65 trousers are also although be prepared to resew the buttons on them. I have helikon tex ones that have lasted forever.
Both those options are much heavier than fjallraven or dickies though.
>https://www.dickies.com/double-knee-pants/loose-fit-double-knee-work-pants/85283.html
walmart has wrangler hiking pants for $15 that are stretch nylon and also not skinny cut
This. I'd love to get a pair, but that price for non EU made is absurd. They also seem overbuilt for anything outside of actual bushcrafting or the like.
& if you're worried about crotch blow-outs frequent washing is the #1 way to avoid or delay them.
assuming you're not doing anything to the pants like cycling or climbing that puts massive stress on them.
the main reason for crotch blowouts is sweat buildup degrading the fibers over time. normally with casual fashion pants, frequent washing is how you get around this. when PrepHole its not really practical to.
my way around crotch blowouts in the woods personally is to wear a thin pair of hydrophobic shorts (certain poly and nylon weaves are good for this, look up 5ultimate hydro shorts as an example, some board shorts or swim shorts w/ liner cut out are good for this too) above my leggings beneath the pants. might give you slight diaper-ass but it gives a little barrier for the sweat without actually making you sweat.
Have you seen winter mountaineering/ski pants lately? They're ugly as shit. Look at the goofy color selection that 686 makes all of their pants in. Or go to a resort and walk through the clothing section of the board shop.
>sick
Indeed, if you shit yourself at least it will go unnoticed.
too warm, can't be easily waxed or dyed, causes skin irritation, melts when on fire. nylon is better than polyester. 50% cotton 50% nylon is the best composition for all clothing in all circumstances - and i'm not just saying that because that's what the US military uses.
>because that's what the US military uses >if it's produced in the cheapest way possible and it's good enough for zogbots then it's good for me
hikes.
I have a pair I got for free because my company did work for them a couple years ago. Kebs I think? I love them, but no way in hell I'd pay full price.
>bahbies first good pants.
yeah they work well. just use the wax and air dry them. they arent meme pants they are just swedish. >hinka durka dinkle durgen.
I will never understand why this board doesn't just take the red pill and use construction pants. They're massively industrially produced so they're cheap and they're designed to be as comfortable as possible for as long as possible while doing manual labor. Plus they are built to last forever
Construction pants suck they’re stiff they chafe and they fall off your ass. 5.11’s are actually great work pants flexible durable and handy with pockets and straps.
t. Construction worker
I'm a construction worker too. And i have a couple things
You should be wearing a belt regardless but i disagree i feel work pants fit best out of most pants i wear
They're only stuff until you break them in
And i was talking about the internally lined ones. Those don't chafe at all
I'd love a good solid pair of construction trousers but it seems that they aren't available on my region (north europe) in earth tones. I have been using the same pair of tru-spec trousers since 2016 and I still keep using them, I just fix them whenever they get a hole in them. They've withstood everything I've done with them.
I don't know what you use. Here they're usually 100% cotton, maybe some have a cotton/Polly blend, and the fit range between alright to fricking shit. There have been some improvements over the years with stretch panels, personally I don't like it. I'd never fricking hike in my work clothes.
I tried it, bought form Bauhaus. Its a construction stuff store here in croatia. Main issue is that they dont breathe. they are durable but man you get sweaty. kinda looking to save money for UF Pro opants next. Everybody here is praising them in the region.
if you got bauhaus you must have decathlon stores in croatville. they have very nice hiking pants (that i personally use for work/construction aswell) that are very good price for the quality they are. i buy them for 20euros and they last me a year usually with extreme daily use (climbing, kneeling, dirt, washing every 2 days, welding etc.)
The best PrepHole pants I have were bought from decathlon like 7 years ago, ripstop nylon. They've been through hell including construction work too, unfortunately decathlon doesn't have them anymore but I need to go check for pants there because landscaping job I got. I would love to find something with inserts for knee pads.
lucky for you they DO have knee insert pants, but I only found them in the "clearing" section where the clothes that will no longer be produced are, so if you find a good one, buy a few
...no they arent built to last forever hence them being massively industrially produced. they suck in the heat they usually have either too many or not enough pockets. construction pants are good for construction where you might have a grinder run over your leg or have a nail snag on your knee. not walking over long distances with weight. >T.metal worker who has used almost every type of pants including tin pants.
Why?
I bought my vidda around 2008 and they've held up, i don't use them that often but they have taken some abuse. How they justify a 100% price increase since then I don't know.
too warm, can't be easily waxed or dyed, causes skin irritation, melts when on fire. nylon is better than polyester. 50% cotton 50% nylon is the best composition for all clothing in all circumstances - and i'm not just saying that because that's what the US military uses.
>too warm
Not an argument. Depends on climate and activity. >can't be easily waxed
Their whole thing is to wax the clothes, you can even go to the stores and have them do. What other brands does that? >or dyed,
No normal person dye their clothes >causes skin irritation,
Maybe if you're oversensitive or something >melts when on fire.
If you pour gasoline on yourself
>sick
Indeed, if you shit yourself at least it will go unnoticed.
[...] >because that's what the US military uses >if it's produced in the cheapest way possible and it's good enough for zogbots then it's good for me
hikes.
nylon is stronger than polyester, is stretchier, insulates almost as well as polyester in the cold, and keeps you cooler in hot weather. it's simply better
i prefer 100% nylon but this is true.
the main reason nylon is better for pants is the rip and abrasion resistance. if you don't need rip and abrasion resistance PrepHole then you're better off in shorts anyways.
this. Also nylon doesn't absorb skin oil so its easier to clean and doesnt get so stinky. polyester is used because its cheap. its fricking difficult trying to find stuff made with nylon.
They look relatively durable. As long as they fit you right they should be good. I purchased some expensive but discounted Norrona pants a while back, which disappointed: the stretch fabric is comfortable but gets loose quickly, the seam broke at the crotch after 4-5 hikes.
Got my first pair of keb gaiters back in 2015 as a gift. Pretty similar to Vidda I suppose. Great pants, still rocking them these days. Got a few holes in the groin area this year but I figured it's best to have them fixed instead of buying a new pair, holy shit are these things expensive nowadays. Keb jacket is also really solid.
Fjällräven quality has severely declined since 2015,
They moved production to China. I bought 2 pairs of Vidda last year, they lasted me about 2 months before one crotch blowout and rips and tears everywhere. Customer support wouldn’t do anything for me. I was furious, but i guess they’re just squeezing the last drop of cash out of instagram city slickers and shitting on the OGs by letting chinese kids make their shit, just like Arcteryx did.
All the premium brands have gone to shit
I’ve got old Viddas from 2012 which are still going strong though. They don’t make em like they used to.
I would highly advise against buying fjällräven if you actually wanna use it for anything else than getting coffee at starbucks like a cuck city slicker.
Cool pants.
thanks
Just use the warranty. Let them fix it or replace it. I checked the warranty for EU and it was a dogshit 2 year warranty to US' lifetime. I wanted to buy the gaiter pants, but they told me it uses the EU warranty since it isn't sold in US.
I wanted the ventilation without the moronic nylon spandex crotch that is destined to blow out at the crotch in the middle of the wildy.
I have a small hole in mine and it's less than a year old. Pockets are nice though and the crotch hasn't blown out.
My Dickies 874 lasted about a year for $20. Only things I used. If they had another pocket or two i'd probably still use them. Pick your poison:
>quality of life, expensive, pockets, double knee, ankle tightener, can take knee cushion, pockets distribute weight well, and works well with a base layer during winter. I wish the rise was higher or had suspenders.
>cheap, lasts a year, dries fast, fits good, and looks good, just as light.
I mean for being almost 9 times cheaper, you aren't going to get 9x the lifespan with the fjallraven pants unless you milk their warranty.
I wouldn't wax them though. It's not waterproof will make the pants breathe extremely poorly. Polycotton is already a wonderful fabric that will dry extremely fast. It's loose enough too that when it is wet the water doesn't transfer easily to skin. Same for Dickies. I've fished all day in them without my legs getting wet due to the loose fit. Still breathed like a champ.
I wish they just made a basic heavyweight pant though in the g1000 (polycotton) heavyweight fabric though. The pants are still light in my book.
>Fjallraven as a company
is in a funny spot. They're seen as a fashion brand in US here and acts like one, but they could compete with Carhartt/Dickies and other work brands if they focused more on function rather than the moronic kanken backpack fashion.
>wanted the ventilation without the moronic nylon spandex crotch that is destined to blow out at the crotch in the middle of the wildy.
the crotch on my old prana's are made of that material and they've survived over 10yrs of rock climbing and shit no problem.
polycotton and cotton is way more likely to blow out, stretch nylon is probably the most resistant material on the market to it.
would have been nice if fjallraven gave it a gusseted crotch design. looks dorky and lets people see the outline of your wiener & balls when you sit down, but helps immensely with lifespan.
Prana had the most popular, most highly praised pants out there for years: the stretch Zions. The regular cut fit like bell bottoms which I guess is better for climbing (I’m totally clueless in that regard) and the straights (now called slim) fit like regular pants. I bought a pair years ago for full price and immediately bought another after trying them out.
Then Prana decided to signal to ride the wave they’d created with good products and switch to a “lifestyle brand.” They started making this model of pants out of recycled material and weren’t shy about telling everyone. The various online aggregate ratings fell from around 4.9/5 to 3.5/5 (that’s on their home page, with like 700 reviews).
The same thing happened with Airwalk shoes. They made legitimate, functional site shoes but decided to switch to a lifestyle brand. They went from the third largest sneaker manufacturer in the world to being exclusive to Payless in like 5 years.
have the same prana pants before the company decided to ruin them with their update. Good pants and nylon is a good material, however it didn't stop my ventilated fjallravens from a blown out crotch. I don't have any issues with flexing on my standard vidda pros.
If you want the svelte athletic trainer nylon, just go for the keb trousers.
if they were like $300 and made in sweden, america, or a named factory in china i'd probably buy them. still not sure how i feel about buying higher end stuff from vietnam even though they're clearly going the way of china (where it used to be synonymous with crap and now most $1000+ designer stuff is made there)
what puts me off is the condescending story they have on their website justifying about making their stuff on the other side of the world. It's far from the only company that does it but still. The tone is above average insulting. Thought Swedish companies might have a little more tact than American ones but I guess not.
marketing department writing their story because it's important to hipsters like the geargays that keep posting these threads.
Compared to your average pant, they are good. Nowhere near the best value because a wide legged pant with a good design at the waist isn't going to blow out at the crotch or knees for years. Buy the double knee Dickies pants and they will last just as long, plus you can buy like 8 of them for 1 fjallraven pant. But most pants though are made for PrepHoleggots, so with that low standard in mind, they are exceptional to the competition.
Most the duluth trading/5.11 brand that aim for workwear chic are just made for overweight weekend warriors, so PrepHole
https://www.dickies.com/double-knee-pants/loose-fit-double-knee-work-pants/85283.html?dwvar_85283_color=KH#start=1
the wool trousers by big ben in canada are also phenomenal. The plaid ones.
Also the nyco pants the military used to use, the m65 trousers are also although be prepared to resew the buttons on them. I have helikon tex ones that have lasted forever.
Both those options are much heavier than fjallraven or dickies though.
They don't make them in olive green
tsk tsk tsk
they also dont make size 26
>https://www.dickies.com/double-knee-pants/loose-fit-double-knee-work-pants/85283.html
walmart has wrangler hiking pants for $15 that are stretch nylon and also not skinny cut
I agree something is fricked when buying made to measure from inside the UK is cheaper than 3rd world swearshops
This. I'd love to get a pair, but that price for non EU made is absurd. They also seem overbuilt for anything outside of actual bushcrafting or the like.
& if you're worried about crotch blow-outs frequent washing is the #1 way to avoid or delay them.
assuming you're not doing anything to the pants like cycling or climbing that puts massive stress on them.
the main reason for crotch blowouts is sweat buildup degrading the fibers over time. normally with casual fashion pants, frequent washing is how you get around this. when PrepHole its not really practical to.
my way around crotch blowouts in the woods personally is to wear a thin pair of hydrophobic shorts (certain poly and nylon weaves are good for this, look up 5ultimate hydro shorts as an example, some board shorts or swim shorts w/ liner cut out are good for this too) above my leggings beneath the pants. might give you slight diaper-ass but it gives a little barrier for the sweat without actually making you sweat.
>Mustard color
homie why?
Just use them for their intended purpose, anon.
Have you seen winter mountaineering/ski pants lately? They're ugly as shit. Look at the goofy color selection that 686 makes all of their pants in. Or go to a resort and walk through the clothing section of the board shop.
>Just use them for their intended purpose, anon.
You mean for Instagram photos, right?
looks fine to me
That color is sick.
>sick
Indeed, if you shit yourself at least it will go unnoticed.
>because that's what the US military uses
>if it's produced in the cheapest way possible and it's good enough for zogbots then it's good for me
hikes.
Ketchup was out of stock
I've been dallying a kanken for a solid 15 years.
Looks a bit worn, but that's it.
Enough to hold my daily shit, lunch, etc.
Idk about the pants or their other stuff, shit's expensive.
But if this tiny backpack has lasted this long, I'd say they make some good shit
I have a pair I got for free because my company did work for them a couple years ago. Kebs I think? I love them, but no way in hell I'd pay full price.
Garand Thumb wears them so they must be good.
I've seen that too. No way a normie europoor company would actually sponsor a US gun channel though, right?
>bahbies first good pants.
yeah they work well. just use the wax and air dry them. they arent meme pants they are just swedish.
>hinka durka dinkle durgen.
why am I supposed to care what pants you bought?
are you a girl?
i have those. nice pocket for cellphone in right leg and that small pocket in left is good for small knife.. no complaints.
I will never understand why this board doesn't just take the red pill and use construction pants. They're massively industrially produced so they're cheap and they're designed to be as comfortable as possible for as long as possible while doing manual labor. Plus they are built to last forever
Construction pants suck they’re stiff they chafe and they fall off your ass. 5.11’s are actually great work pants flexible durable and handy with pockets and straps.
t. Construction worker
I'm a construction worker too. And i have a couple things
You should be wearing a belt regardless but i disagree i feel work pants fit best out of most pants i wear
They're only stuff until you break them in
And i was talking about the internally lined ones. Those don't chafe at all
But who was doge
Her name is Sophie I take her everywhere even work sometimes
I'd love a good solid pair of construction trousers but it seems that they aren't available on my region (north europe) in earth tones. I have been using the same pair of tru-spec trousers since 2016 and I still keep using them, I just fix them whenever they get a hole in them. They've withstood everything I've done with them.
Which type?
Which type construction trousers I'd want or which type trousers I use? I use the Tru-spec 24/7 trousers.
I just like good ole lined Carhartts
I don't know what you use. Here they're usually 100% cotton, maybe some have a cotton/Polly blend, and the fit range between alright to fricking shit. There have been some improvements over the years with stretch panels, personally I don't like it. I'd never fricking hike in my work clothes.
t. Painter
most construction pants i've seen have tiny ass pockets for carrying, i don't know what - half a dozen multitools or something. just wear BDU pants
I tried it, bought form Bauhaus. Its a construction stuff store here in croatia. Main issue is that they dont breathe. they are durable but man you get sweaty. kinda looking to save money for UF Pro opants next. Everybody here is praising them in the region.
if you got bauhaus you must have decathlon stores in croatville. they have very nice hiking pants (that i personally use for work/construction aswell) that are very good price for the quality they are. i buy them for 20euros and they last me a year usually with extreme daily use (climbing, kneeling, dirt, washing every 2 days, welding etc.)
t. HungAryan neighbour
The best PrepHole pants I have were bought from decathlon like 7 years ago, ripstop nylon. They've been through hell including construction work too, unfortunately decathlon doesn't have them anymore but I need to go check for pants there because landscaping job I got. I would love to find something with inserts for knee pads.
lucky for you they DO have knee insert pants, but I only found them in the "clearing" section where the clothes that will no longer be produced are, so if you find a good one, buy a few
...no they arent built to last forever hence them being massively industrially produced. they suck in the heat they usually have either too many or not enough pockets. construction pants are good for construction where you might have a grinder run over your leg or have a nail snag on your knee. not walking over long distances with weight.
>T.metal worker who has used almost every type of pants including tin pants.
Since PrepHole is finally a fashion board what other overpriced meme gear do you like, talking about Snow Peak, Goldwin, norda, and wander
>65% polyester
this is how you know its shit
Why?
I bought my vidda around 2008 and they've held up, i don't use them that often but they have taken some abuse. How they justify a 100% price increase since then I don't know.
too warm, can't be easily waxed or dyed, causes skin irritation, melts when on fire. nylon is better than polyester. 50% cotton 50% nylon is the best composition for all clothing in all circumstances - and i'm not just saying that because that's what the US military uses.
>too warm
Not an argument. Depends on climate and activity.
>can't be easily waxed
Their whole thing is to wax the clothes, you can even go to the stores and have them do. What other brands does that?
>or dyed,
No normal person dye their clothes
>causes skin irritation,
Maybe if you're oversensitive or something
>melts when on fire.
If you pour gasoline on yourself
nylon is stronger than polyester, is stretchier, insulates almost as well as polyester in the cold, and keeps you cooler in hot weather. it's simply better
i prefer 100% nylon but this is true.
the main reason nylon is better for pants is the rip and abrasion resistance. if you don't need rip and abrasion resistance PrepHole then you're better off in shorts anyways.
this. Also nylon doesn't absorb skin oil so its easier to clean and doesnt get so stinky. polyester is used because its cheap. its fricking difficult trying to find stuff made with nylon.
It has a cartoon sleeping fox on it which is a bit suss.
But I enjoy the G-1000 branding because it lets people know that you are, in fact, a serious pants-wearer. 1000!
These pants are comfy
I like that they make clothing that fat and short people cant wear
They look relatively durable. As long as they fit you right they should be good. I purchased some expensive but discounted Norrona pants a while back, which disappointed: the stretch fabric is comfortable but gets loose quickly, the seam broke at the crotch after 4-5 hikes.
Got my first pair of keb gaiters back in 2015 as a gift. Pretty similar to Vidda I suppose. Great pants, still rocking them these days. Got a few holes in the groin area this year but I figured it's best to have them fixed instead of buying a new pair, holy shit are these things expensive nowadays. Keb jacket is also really solid.
I have the same set of pants, and they replaced 3 other pairs of hiking pants.
Went to Arizona last month and hiked the Superstitions and they were great for scrambling. Comfy, too.
>wearing pants in Arizona
ngmi
how is Woolrich as a brand? I bought some pants from Sierra but I need to hem them before wearing
How spark/fireproof are they?
G-1000 is a great material, their down jacket lasted me almost 10 years in 14F winters and I dry cleaned the shit out of it like a moron.
I just bought 4 pairs of falraven knockoffs for the same price.
good day sir.
I locked my iPad so I could rotate it 90° to see the pants right-side up and I’m glad I did. Those are a pair of very cool pants.
Got a couple pairs and they haven’t let me down yet
Fjällräven quality has severely declined since 2015,
They moved production to China. I bought 2 pairs of Vidda last year, they lasted me about 2 months before one crotch blowout and rips and tears everywhere. Customer support wouldn’t do anything for me. I was furious, but i guess they’re just squeezing the last drop of cash out of instagram city slickers and shitting on the OGs by letting chinese kids make their shit, just like Arcteryx did.
All the premium brands have gone to shit
I’ve got old Viddas from 2012 which are still going strong though. They don’t make em like they used to.
I would highly advise against buying fjällräven if you actually wanna use it for anything else than getting coffee at starbucks like a cuck city slicker.
>fsjalraven