First person POV of 4 infatrymen with one BMP storming russian positions. All enemies are killed or captured.
https://files.catbox.moe/jl1pv0.MP4
First person POV of 4 infatrymen with one BMP storming russian positions. All enemies are killed or captured.
Some extremely kino shit been coming out of Ukraine recently. Seems they have stepped up local counter attacks
Did they frag that surrendering guy in the end?
I've watched multiple times and I cannot tell. They yell something like "solvea" or "stolvea", and the vehicle moves up with a quickness, so I don't know if they just popped the dude or were shooting at Russian troops futher up.
>They yell something like "solvea" or "stolvea"
Stoy blia means fucking stop
Oops. Well, multiple guys screaming "stoy" probably means he got perferated then.
they saying "vstal, blyat"
it means "please sir, would you mind getting up really slow"
To me it sounds like they are yelling "stal" - Steel
Maybe they mean that he has a gun. Also, before the AK's are picked up, one of the ukies warn that he may have a grenade.
Funny you are concentrating on what theya re saying like it matters and not the fact that to anyone who has been watching war footage from Ukraine for a year this looks fake and the men in it supposedly Ukrainians are equipped exactly like the men we normally see Ukrainians dropping grenades on plus the fact that the vatniks have a tradition of fake crap, plus that people down keep their fucking heads up that long where fire is going both ways. Fake as fuck
they shout "stand up"
anon how many police shooting videos have you seen where the perp no longer has a gun but the cops still shoot him? in the heat of the moment when fighting with/against weapons that can kill you instantly, why tf would you spend an extra second giving a fuck if the enemy is surrendering?
>why tf would you spend an extra second giving a fuck if the enemy is surrendering?
Because of the Geneva Conventions, and the fact you can actually get in serious trouble if someone in your organization sees the footage and decides to press the issue.
Basic human decency. I know its hard concept for you PrepHoletards to understand.
basic human decency would dictate not to invade a sovereign country like a piece of shit that you are and after that point all bets are off.
>try to maintain "basic human decency" in war
>die in the first weeks
>all the people without "basic human decency" go back home and replace you in society
:DDDDDD
Dang
I'd like you get off your moral highground and step into this man's shoes and then talk human decency.
How old are you seriously
>Basic human decency.
I'd quip that she is the first casualty whenever russia starts a war, but its doubtful she existed in Russia ever since the mongols.
Ukies stopped taking artillery teams as POWs early on.
Sex change operations for children are not negotiable.
Yes. The sterilization of the mentally ill is not negotiable.
>punishing the child for the misdeeds pf the parent
The child is the direct genetic continuation of its parents and so carries deleterious and harmful genotypes in it that are best eradicated through (voluntary) sterilization.
>The child is the direct genetic continuation of its parents
based and sins-of-the-father-pilled
yeah
How about not barging armed and ready to kill into neighboring countries, worm? Lets start with this basic human decency first before crying while you're already against the wall for crimes against humanity.
Why the FUCK is everyone so upset about these cunts?
1. Not a war crime, no obligation under Geneva conventions to take prisoners you don't have the resources to support.
2. Russians aren't human and cannot have human rights in the first place. Why are we even debating this?
3.
>Invade foreign country to level its cities and genocide its people
>Fuck around
>Find out
>Surprisedpikachuface.png
4. Total eradication of the Russian people is the only pathway to world peace. Russia has historically caused more human damage to the world than any other single country both directly and I directly via communism. I will happily firebomb Russian population centers, they didn't give a fuck until consequences came for them.
Verification not required.
This.
They are advancing, they can't take prisoners, so they don't. Tough, but not a crime.
>geneva conventions
complete meme if it ever carried any weight. You take prisoners if you can, if you cant (like in the middle of an assault) you shoot them on the spot. If you take prisoners you can use them later to exchange for your guys caught. If you dont you dont have to guard or feed them
completely situational
I see you are a fellow moderate.
>no obligation under Geneva conventions to take prisoners you don't have the resources to support.
1. You are obligated by the conventions to not attack individuals hors de combat. If you can't take them prisoner, you sure as fuck aren't allowed to shoot them.
2. The Russian was still a combatant in the video since he didn't surrender, so shooting him was ok.
>Total eradication of the Russian people is the only pathway to world peace
Yes...
>decades of war in middle east
>when muslims kill pows, get demonized as evil barbarians
>when westerners do it, cries for investigation and punishment of the perpetrators
Culturally it just doesn't seem to be something that's considered to be acceptable behavior by the general public, at least in the west. It shouldn't be surprising to you that Ukrainians get criticized when they do it. The gut reaction around here to defend and excuse literally every little thing any Ukrainian does from any sort of criticism is ridiculous.
>defend and excuse
I won't defend it, but I understand why they do it.
And I understand why muslims beheaded captured Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Nope. But there wasn't tv or internet for videos of it to circulate across the country. The public did freak out about executions of Vietcong during the Vietnam War, even ones which were lawful.
Have allies got a lot of bad rep for not taking SS prisoner in WW2?
Don't dehumanise
Stop acting subhuman.
happiest russian
so what does a sad russian look like?
They might also be mercenaries and thus exempt from Geneva Conventions. That is one good fucking reason not to use fuckheaps like Wagner in an actual conflict.
Moderate cuck
>4. Total eradication of the Russian people is the only pathway to world peace.
THIS SO MUCH THIS!
also Trans Rights are human rights #slavaukraini
Kherson is russian forev-ACKK
Damn, Russia is losing indirectly to literal chud mutts? lmao
#triggered
Imagine the rape.
absolutely moderate
Truer words have never been spoken. Russia has been a thorn in the international community for literally centuries. They are massive hypocrites and cried foul when Napoleon rekt them because they knew the French Revolution ideas would eventually mean the end of serfdom. If you stand with Russia at this point you are literally a power hungry schizo. Also who gives a fuck what happens to Ukraine? USA should stop funding these countries and use our money to support our own country.
>le both sides
Nice try, vatmoron. Go fuck yourself with a bayonet.
>Total eradication of the Russian people is the only pathway to world peace. Russia has historically caused more human damage to the world than any other single country both directly and I directly via communism. I will happily firebomb Russian population centers, they didn't give a fuck until consequences came for them.
Yeeees, yeeees....
He wasn't showing his hands and they assumed he had a frag hidden under him. I don't agree with what they did, but that was why they shot him.
>those last moments
"If I have a Kalashnikov and take Kalashnikov I have two Kalashnikov"
"If I have two Kalashnikov and take Kalashnikov I have three Kalashnikov"
they just murdered those 2 guys that surrendered in the end, didnt they?
Guy wasn't surrendering, so yeah.
>Guy wasn't surrendering
???????
>laying down on the ground with hands on their heads
>they took their guns
>fucking blasted them with machine gun fire
The guy with his hands on his head doesn't get blasted, what the fuck are you talking about
motherfucker are you blind.
stop trolling.
You dont see it but the video ends pretty quickly so I'm guessing they did.
Is it the BMP firing or the infantry firing their AKs? I can't tell, we need some ukros and ruskis to translate for more context
Zigger projection
moron you blind?
also, they told him to get up and he didn't = get fucked, no time to fuck around in warzone.
moron, are YOU blind?
fuck you for making me bother with a screenshot. no hands on head, not getting up when told = fuck off and die like a retard that you are.
it's your relative probably isn't it?
nice, thanks for posting a screenshot of an obvious warcrime there, bro.
get told you fucking gay. that's not how you surrender. eat shit with your retarded cousins in hell lmao.
>dropped the gun, lay down, face in the dirt
>ThhAtS NoT HoWW U SrrEdneR
Can you explain how you would deal with a uncooperative enemy who fails to follow simple orders?
tell them to piss off with their fake warcrime footage drama clearly performed by wager mudcrawlers?
It's not even a war crime to begin with, vatmoron.
Yes, a range of them. But I'd do most of them off camera if possible, and I damn sure wouldn't post them online.
You should probably check if he even understands your language before you pop him in the head for not following orders maybe
No, of course you shouldn't. What fucking retard gets themselves killed trying to pretend you're a police while fighting on the battlefield.
Weird scenario you've come up with where you're going to die if you don't shoot this unarmed man immediately
>unarmed man
Who exactly is unarmed here? That is a ridiculous presumption on your part that would very likely get you and your buddies killed. You haven't even checked his pockets, nor can you see what's under him, but you somehow just presume to know he's unarmed?
Of course you don't know, but his hand are over his head and you took his rifle away, you don't need to shoot him until he reaches for something, there's 3 rifles pointed at his face
>you don't need to shoot him until he reaches for something
That is not how war works.
To accomplish the objective and fulfil your duty while maintaining combat effectiveness of your team and consequently their survival, you do need to in fact shoot him. He is an enemy combatant actively engaged in combat against your forces and he has made zero intent to surrender.
Are you not aware of what war is?
No western countries RoEs would allow this m8, I'm sorry but it is how war works. Taking prisoners is dangerous and you don't just get to execute them to save yourself time and risk. I'm not saying this because I support the russians fuck them.
A uniformed enemy who makes no clear intent to surrender has no protection by international law.
>No western countries RoEs would allow this m8, I'm sorry but it is how war works.
That is how low-intensity police operations against unlawful combatants work*
Or do you genuinely not know that rules differ between uniformed combatants and ununiformed ones?
>Taking prisoners is dangerous and you don't just get to execute them to save yourself time and risk.
You are under no obligation to take anyone prisoner unless they expressly intend to surrender.
In fact there is ZERO obligation to not shoot an enemy combatant if they are not hors de combat, which in this case requires communicating a clear intent to surrender. The man in the video made no intent to communicate his surrender and as such none of the Ukrainians are under any obligation to not shoot him.
RoEs and international law frequently don't line up, so don't put words in my mouth by suggesting I made a legal argument. I'm well aware that it would be legal to shoot him within international law, but that shit doesn't even matter because nobody can prosecute it anyway. International law is pointless bullshit. My point still stands that no western military would allow this.
>but that shit doesn't even matter because nobody can prosecute it anyway. International law is pointless bullshit.
Until your CO arrests you and you get shipped off into the rear for court martial.
>My point still stands that no western military would allow this.
Then Western militaries have been performing police operations for far too long and have lost grip on combat reality to a ridiculous extent that deserves utmost mockery. All RoE are also current and subject to change depending on the situation, so claiming that the RoE during Afghanistan is the same as RoE during total war is ridiculous.
But then again, these are only your claims, so show me the RoE of a Western state that forbids doing this during combat against uniformed combatants.
The ukraine war is smaller than desert storm m8
The Ukraine war is a defensive war against a genocidal, superior enemy. Can you say the same about the coalition's efforts in Desert Storm? Do you understand why the RoE would be different in a 35-country curbstomp against Arab shitters as compared to a struggle for national survival?
You're a slippery little shit, desert storm was only a curb stomp because it's the most well executed military mission in history. 600,000 well armed iraqis, it wasn't a " policing mission".
>You're a slippery little shit
Then don't make retarded arguments about "size" as if that mattered for one fucking bit, if you don't like the factual replies to them.
>Until your CO arrests you and you get shipped off into the rear for court martial.
NTA but I think (and correct me if I am wrong) that he was referring to the fact that any discrepancy between international law and RoE boils down to
>violate RoE
Court martial, Leavenworth, etc. Whole 9 yards of military justice, because there IS someone to enforce those laws.
>international law
>(but not RoE)
As long as you stay out of Europe you are fine. USA cannot legally extradite you, and I depending on what you did you might not even be in trouble in Europe unless you actually set foot in ICC part of The Hague. Not many countries want to start an international shitfit over anything short of big, heavily-documented civilian massacres where the perpetrators are known AND unpunished.
TL;DR international law has no enforcement arm, military law does (itself). Literally "says who and what army?" A: "Me. This one"
Again, correct me if I am wrong in this interpretation.
>because there IS someone to enforce those laws.
Signatory states to the treaties are obligated by the treaties themselves to enforce and prosecute breaches. Your military law is built on top of international law in the first place. It's the actual concrete, national level compliance to- and execution of those treaties. Just because it's left to individual signatory states to find their own methods of enforcement doesn't mean it isn't compliance to the treaties.
Hands underneath him and concealed behind his helmet. Why do you lie so?
Concealed how? It's right here
Showing his hands behind the helmet, grasped together under his head, meaning only the camera guy has a clear line of sight to them, while the two to the right don't.
And the camera dude shoots him. What's your point?
They just yell shit to justify the shooting to the camera, even the camera man does it. It's a bad shot
>They just yell shit to justify the shooting to the camera
And to international law. The man's noncompliance and lacking intent to surrender leave him an active combatant, at which point shooting him is not only in full compliance with international treaties, but also an objective of the war.
What non compliance? He was never given any orders and was lying still, unarmed.
This is what I meant by you being retarded. Hell, you're probably just a Russian making westerners look bad by condoning executions
>He was never given any orders
"Pyки, pyки, блядь" - meaning hands up, non compliant.
"Гдe дpyгиe двa?" - "Where's the other two?" - silence.
"Bcтaл, блядь" - get the fuck up, repeated thrice - ignored.
>"Гдe дpyгиe двa?" - "Where's the other two?"
i'm pretty sure it was "where's the other two guns?"
>He was never given any orders
>pyки, pyки блять
>вcтaл, вcтaл блять, вcтaл, вcтaл
he ignored both and assault aint over anyway
Would be terrible if those treaties were broken by poccnr since day one of the invasion and had no impact on the war whatsoever.
They do have an impact, especially on the lower levels in the everyday lives of combatants.
a) you don't have to fight everyone to the death, since they'd rather surrender than die once things become hopeless
b) your own guys have a far better chance of surrendering and making it out alive, they don't have to all die if things go sour
c) surrendered individuals can be leveraged for intel even without torture or other breaches of these treaties - not everyone knows the limits of what they have to divulge
God knows how many poor vatmorons have been shot in the head because of that one mongoloid's castration video.
>What non compliance?
The Ukrainians are shouting for him to either get up or show his hands. Bcтaв! Bcтaв! Bcтaв, Блять!
>He was never given any orders and was lying still, unarmed.
He was given orders, refused to comply, made no intent to surrender and as such he was not hors de combat and could be shot on sight.
>because of that one mongoloid's castration video.
Anon, Russians have been warcriming since day 1 as if they're payed to do it.
With groups like Rusich and Wagner that do not take prisoners at all, with a good chance of getting tortured and mutilated for fun, surrender is a dice roll for Ukrainians in any case. Leveling cities to the ground with indiscriminate dumb bombs and cluster munitions in residential areas started from day one.
Most rules do not work for this war, the only reason some people take prisoners is just for practicality of prisoner exchange (especially chechens - one chechen is worth a hundred mobiks in prisoner exchange) and poccnr is not using shit like chemical/nuclear weapons fearing provoking some HATO reaction.
So the only thing that do work are pragmatism or fear, conventions achieved two things - jack and shit.
>So the only thing that do work are pragmatism or fear, conventions achieved two things - jack and shit.
The conventions are pragmatic. If two parties want to minimize their own casualties, sticking to the conventions gives them a very pragmatic way of ensuring that happens.
Russians just don't want to minimize casualties because they're steppemorons.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
tl;dr: de jure is NOT de facto
Only if there's video evidence, anon. That Aussie who ventilated a prisoner because there wasn't room on the helicopter didn't get shit until the video dropped and embarresed the higher ups.
> No western military would allow this
And how many numerically superior, near peer forces have Western militaries been facing down lately? This is not a smug anime girl question. Honestly, do you see a court marshall for Pvt. Smith if he whacked a surrendering Chinese during the battle at Chosin? I don't think the campaign for the Solomans was 100% by the book either.
Yeah big surprise you won't be prosecuted if there's no evidence you did a crime, but we've all just watched the video here of a thing that's clearly wrong. I don't think bad thing happening in other wars justifies this one either. We can still look at it and say it was wrong, that's not going to change anything and I know it, but it's still wrong.
Listen dude, if you're fighting for your God damned life every day, in your own country, being shelled and bombed regularly, and you slip up under fire and zap an asshole who was trying to kill you 15 seconds prior? Yeah, that's going to be between you and God. If I'm in the same country, and especially if I'm right there next to you in the fucking armored beer can, I'll understand how it happened.
Why are you trying so hard to convince him, he's gonna die on his turd hill no matter what he says. You're only wasting your time, war crimes are a meme on here anyways.
I never once argued it was a warcrime retard
We don't really disagree there man, I understand the situation ukraine is in. I don't want to send the guy to prison or anything but pretending he did the right thing is retarded. If he slipped up, fine, that's combat but it still sucks.
>check if he even understands your language
Mate, are you retarded?
Also, everyone is riding the warcrime train but we only know that there were shots fired while the guy was on the ground. We don't know if they killed him or if they were firing at the position that they were attacking previously
"uncooperative" like what the hell are we talking about here? clearly the guy was no threat, lying down, no weapon, hands visible.
And keep in mind they probably don't have ear protection and were just in a firefight.
By all means blast him if he draws a weapon or tries any sudden moves, but if this is your standard for "uncooperative". I don't want to know your reaction to cop bodycam footage.
Legally, soldiers in war are under no obligation to force someone to surrender or be captured. If they are unarmed and they are ordered to surrender and they don't, they can be legally shot. They're not cops.
indian or from novosibirsk? either way you are third world trash
im an indian russian garden gnome from novosibirsk, new delhi oblast.
still a war crime.
Warcrime or not, I also wouldn't like to have to deal with an uncooperative enemy under the stress of combat while being so exposed and without knowing if there are more enemies around. They needed to keep moving
According to international law, you are under no obligation to take an enemy combatant prisoner, even if he's surrendering. What you AREN'T allowed to do is take them prisoner and THEN torture or execute them.
>this feels fake this is some vatnik bullshit
>According to international law, you are under no obligation to take an enemy combatant prisoner, even if he's surrendering.
No, shut up.
According to international law if you are incapable of taking an enemy prisoner, he is still hors de combat from the very moment he makes clear intent to surrender, and as such is protected so long as he makes no aggressive actions toward you. If you can't take someone prisoner, any attack on their person is a war crime.
Not saying that doen't apply here. But there's no God damn way that's going to fly for an advanced unit in enemy territory who has neither the manpower or resources to take combat prisoners. You'd be forcing several of them to abandon all other objectives the moment they had an enemy surrender.
That is specifically what the US did in Iraq, and what any Western military worth its salt would do. Disarm, point them to your rear and tell them to surrender back there.
I'm aware, but that could be an entire armored company or larger, and they're in the desert. Who the fuck are the Iraqis goingrelay info on your position to?
That's a far damn cry from a mechanized squad or an infantry platoon alone stuck doing shit well past the forward line.
> An armored column with zero hostiles taking waves of surrendering troops is the same as a mechanized fire team taking prisoners under fire
Seems like a Manichean take to me, bro. But I dunno, maybe zip tieing someone who may be carrying a grenade while people are actively trying to shoot me is easier than I think it sounds.
>An armored column with zero hostiles taking waves of surrendering troops is the same as a mechanized fire team taking prisoners under fire
That's the point you dumbfuck. Those Iraqis were initially surrendering to forward troops that could not surrender to them. Those US troops then pointed them toward their own rear, after which the Iraqis marched along until they came up to that armored column.
>But I dunno, maybe zip tieing someone who may be carrying a grenade while people are actively trying to shoot me is easier than I think it sounds.
I'm also arguing that the man didn't actually try to surrender, so shooting him was the objectively correct solution.
>ESL pajeet tears crying vatnik lives matter
There is no war in Ukraine, only a “special military operation,” therefore no war crimes can be committed.
International law applies to armed conflicts, not "war" specifically, so your entire joke is moot.
He's right but for the wrong reasons, in this case the russian soldiers are considered enemy combatants, same as the taliban etc, so they aren't covered by most conventions. Not that it really matters because nobody will ever be prosecuted for any of this shit.
International law applies to human beings, which vatniks are not.
It’s essentially pest removal.
Cry more and do the needful, Ranjeesh.
Needing to dehumanize your enemy to kill them is childlike and effeminate behavior. If you can't both recognize the humanity of your enemy AND kill him, you are weak. Profoundly so.
nice filename zoomertoddler
>protected so long as he makes no aggressive actions toward you
What’s the definition of aggressive action? That’s EXTREMELY subjective. If at yell at you to get up off the ground and you don’t, I’ll take your non compliance as you being aggressive.
>What’s the definition of aggressive action? That’s EXTREMELY subjective.
Further hostile acts. It's subjective, but that isn't a concern when reading the entire article together. It's a caveat left at the end in case someone fulfills all the other requirements but still acts aggressively. E.g. waving a white flag while charging at the enemy and refusing all commands.
> If at yell at you to get up off the ground and you don’t, I’ll take your non compliance as you being aggressive.
That's not aggressiveness by any means, but that is also resistance that signifies your intent to surrender isn't genuine, in which case taking you capture is no longer feasible and you may be shot.
It's not feasible to take someone prisoner in a war if they're not submitting themselves to capture. No soldier is under any obligation to take prisoners either, if the enemy isn't hors de combat (trying to surrender means you're hors de combat). It's not like soldiers are police officers.
Problem being Wagner is a mercenary operation, so they're not protected by international rules of engagement.
Being a mercenary doesn't mean you aren't protected you NPC
Definition of an mercenary is as follows
is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
(f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.
I swear PrepHole is full of brainlets nowadays who think Ukraine can do no evil.
I'll add that therefore just because wagnerites are paid a salary and enticed to fight for the salary doesn't mean they're mercenaries in the context that denies them protections given by Geneve conventions.
I can't believe I have to spell it out but I do because functional reading is so rare here
A mercenary is also any person who, in any other situation:
Is specially recruited locally or abroad for the purpose of participating in a concerted act of violence aimed at :
Overthrowing a Government or otherwise undermining the constitutional order of a State; or
Undermining the territorial integrity of a State;
Is motivated to take part therein essentially by the desire for significant private gain and is prompted by the promise or payment of material compensation;
Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such an act is directed;
Has not been sent by a State on official duty; and
Is not a member of the armed forces of the State on whose territory the act is undertaken.
Sounds like Wagnerites are mercenaries
You're just defining mercenary, you brain dead cocktard. Nowhere in your reddit-spaced text do you specify any protections to mercenaries by the Geneva convention or international law. Smelly, dumb, glavset scum.
Being paid money doesn't make you into a mercenary if you're a Russian citizen. Same applies to shit like blackwater in Iraq.
You missed
>Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such an act is directed
If I went to Russia right now and enlisted for Wagner then yeah, I'd be a mercenary. However Wagner only hires Russians so they're not mercenaries, just a part of state apparatus that operates on the free market
Meant
>Is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
What you posted covers
>Article 1 keeps the definition of a mercenary contained in article 47 of the Protocol Additional I to the Geneva Conventions (see above), but expands it to cover situations other than armed conflicts
>Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such an act is directed
>against
That's an extension created by the UN, not the original Geneve convention.
Moreover even the UN addition says that
>Article 1 keeps the definition of a mercenary contained in article 47 of the Protocol Additional I to the Geneva Conventions (see above), but expands it to cover situations other than armed conflicts, in which persons are recruited for the purpose of participating in a concerted act of violence aimed at overthrowing a Government or otherwise undermining the constitutional order of a State, or undermining the territorial integrity of a State.
>In such a situation, "a mercenary is a person who...
War in Ukraine is a war, not a covert action like terrorism or hybrid warfare. This is why your passage speaks about being a national of the country towards which the act is directed. It's so that being a revolutionary doesn't count as being a mercenary
There's also
>Has not been sent by a State on official duty;
Wagnerites were sent in by the Russian government so even by the standards if the UN definition that DOESN'T APPLY TO WARS they're not mercenaries
God I slaughtered that post.
Anyway, paying your troops doesn't make them mercs, that's retarded.
>Wagnerites were sent in by the Russian government
the quantum state of Wagner, they are both not part of Russian government so all atrocities they commit are not related to Russian government but at the same time they are protected from all fallout because they ARE sent by Russian governments
Everyone knows they're part of the Russian government and whatever they do are tied to them. They're literally firing russian shells and get orders from Russian mod
Wagner disagrees. So will the lawyers they hire with their Russian Mafia-child porn money. What's your counter argument, Hague prosecutor?
Wagner never only hired Russians. In Africa many of their "employees" are even recruited locally.
not how it works
the moment a combatant lay down his arms and surrenders is the moment he stops being a combatant
gunning a surrendering enemy down is equal to gunning any other civilian down
you cannot deny surrenders becuase there is nothing for you to accept or refuse in the first place, you are not involved in the equation
what I think causes such confusion about this topic is that underaged zoomertoddlers and brownoids cannot comprehend that being _able_ to do something (ie shoot non combatants) doesnt mean that it is actually _allowed_
you can indeed still do things that are not allowed but that still does not mean it is allowed
>gunning any other civilian down
As per Russian standard operating procedure.
>it's not how it works
>describes a video game mechanic
>According to international law
Who gives a fuck about international law? Ex post facto for the loser, the winner will not investigate their own crimes. Sherman had the right idea.
>Who gives a fuck about international law?
Those who aren't morons
do we even know that they executed him? his head is off camera for the every frame after the gunfire. Could have been shooting at someone in the berm, or at him to make him obey commands
I'm white and I'm blind
guy fired near his head full auto to show he means business. I've seen Russians do this as well to surrendering Ukrainians
>hands on their heads
you need better glasses
>fucking blasted them
good kill, you can hear the russian guy say "glory to Puccia"
>with machine gun fire
you need better glasses
>let me tell you how murdering a dude laying unarmed on the ground with face planted in the dirt is totally a super mega based ultra kill
>omg, into the Ukie war crime folder it goes!
kek, wot a fag
Russians are often commit perfidy if they’re not immediately surrendering.
>murdering a dude
more like removing a violent invader.
Nothing wrong with killing orcs.
it's only a warcrime to kill humans
>laying down on the ground with hands on their heads
???
His arms are clearly in front of him, indicating no surrender.
Just a few seconds before one of them calls out a visible grenade, which leaves the possibility of an attempted suicidebombing.
They consistently yell at him to get up, yet he refuses to do so or comply, or even show his arms.
As there is zero clear indication of a surrender, there is even no consideration of a war crime.
Sounds more like vstav. Telling him to get up.
>dropped the gun, lay down, face in the dirt, dont move
>textbook surrender
>get murdered anyway
man, what a nightmare.
you surrender and you still get murdered.
no win scenario.
>refuse getting drafted in mordor
>get murdered by russian police for refusing
>get drafted, sent to ukraine, surrender
>get murdered by ukrainians
lose-lose scenario.
murder only applies to humans anon, those are vatniks
Theyre yelling at him to show his hands and he doesn’t. He was hiding something (a grenade). He was still a combatant, a wolf in sheeps clothing so to speak.
Be shell shocked. Don't understand commands given. Die.
That's how it is
People somehow got this warped idea of a noble soldier war in their head, it's baffling.
You die for the most trivial things in war, it's a lottery.
>Russians suffering the consequences of their political apathy
Good. It makes me glad to know his family will never even be told he died and never receive payment for it either. They must suffer more.
>his family will never even be told he died and never receive payment
Fun fuckt: if this territory will be occupied by russia, the body will rot there for decades, if this territory will be liberated, the body will be recovered and then swapped for fallen Ukrainian soldiers.
Being born Russian is already a lose-lose situation
>cross the border into another nation at night at a rural location.
>work a labor job
>don't get murdered
>>get murdered by russian police for refusing
This... does not happen...
fake surrender can be considered warcrime.
Guy panics and freezes which in turn is seen as trying to do a suicide bombing.
Shitty situation all around.
Stop being retarded and excusing war crimes. That was a textbook surrender, hands front and visible like they should be
1. You don't get a single guy as POW while in combat and their non-surrendering soldiers are shooting at you.
2. They asked him where are two other weapons and were caution that he cooked a grande.
3. He refused to cooperate.
4. I didn't see him getting shot.
At the end youonly hear gunshots, his body doesn't twitch (like it does when you're being shot at), and before the gun is out of frame its last position is not pointing at the body.
How exactly were you able to discern he was killed?
Oh right, you are a vatmoron hopelessly clinging to the notion that "ukrainians have committed war crimes too so they're the same as us".
Let's do a quick body count: how many ukrainian civilians died during the invasion and how mamy russian civilians?
Remeber, Belgorod and Briansk have 400k people each and sit less then 50km from the ukrainian border, and not a single civilian was targeted during the whole war.
I love russians getting butt hurt over Ukrainian war crime while simultaneously bragging about their own.
we do a little trolling
it's called we do a little trolling
He wasnt gonna make it
Someone had a grenade. I reckon one Vatnik killed his entire squad again.
Alternatives: Ukies high on adrenaline and revenge just shot them. Or they didn't shoot them and it just sounds like that in the video.
We'll never know.
At this point I think the ukranians can get away with it. The only thing that matters is if CNN will report on it and there's enough political pressure applied as a consequence.
I can't really see that happening, both internationally and locally.
I've reviewed the footage and concluded that the vatnik was being a shifty vatnik and therefore the kill was justified.
ukrainian warcrimes... at the end of the video.
yeah and? good riddance
god i can't wait for the bradley footage
They look really badly equipped and are manoeuvring like retards....are these some kind of militia? No optics etc
green armbands, might be tdf idk
>some kind of militia?
I think they are a territorial defense unit judging by the green armband, tho I'm not entirely sure if green armbands are actually used to identify territorial defense units or if they represent something different. Definitely not the best of the best if they are TD
>They look really badly equipped and are manoeuvring like retards
yeah anon thats because every military outside of the west is trash and most of these guys have very little training.
>manoeuvring like retards
Please describe us what maneuvering not like retards would look like in this situation?
nta. I dunno what hey teach Ukrainians but what I was taught is that you don't fucking bunch up behind a very big, very obvious target where a single grenade can take you all out. You spread out on a line so you avoid this and make sure the entire squad can fire.
Anon they're in a field.
Slavic coziness all around them. The only place to hide is behind the BMP or in the trench with the enemy.
thats such a cool image
> High intensity conflict
> But in Iowa
It almost looks like cgi until it doesn't, crazy
so? they're advancing, not hiding.
>squad out on line keeping pace with bmp
>leapfrog, alternating fire, moving forward
basic bitch infantry tactics all over the world
>they should all stand in straight line and all get killed by single guy that shoots from a trench!
Great advice
retard
They need to get those fucking bradleys ASAP, I need more kino bradley wallpapers.
i gotchu senpai
>you start out with construction yards of both tech trees
I am honestly concerned that we are making out of ukies some sort of unholy hybrid of western and eastern war doctrines. And now that they have gone through an actual full-scale war with both playbooks and fielding virtually every piece of equipment that's not cutting edge skunkworks stuff, they'll cut out the shit that doesn't work out of both and leave only the good stuff.
The scenario where some charismatic lunatic then comes into power there and leverages an already militarized and aggrieved society to some bullshit irredentist war on Poland to restore Kyivan Rus is not something I enjoy thinking about.
unlikely, given the support poland has provided
id be more worried if say, the war ends, Ukraine recovers everything but crimea, and then a charismatic lunatic starts a war to take crimea
It's more likely for pieces of DNR and LNR to remain than Crimea. The peninsula has no reliable supply routes to it if Ukraine reaches the coast.
im convinced this war will end the moment the Ukrainians can threaten Crimea with an occupation
putin would gladly throw every man, woman and child in the donbas into a woodchipper if it means keeping Crimea, ergo, an occupation of Crimea will force him into the negotiating table
i mean really, do you think the donbas is worth more than the sevastopol naval base alone?
But the inherent problem with that is that depending on the situation at hand, the Ukrainians might not at all wish to negotiate. If they're threatening Crimea, Putin basically has no leverage left. He could threaten nukes for the nth time so far, but what else is there?
The war will end when Putin dies and whoever comes after is set up to "clean the mess" that Vladdy-boy left behind, the loss of Crimea included. The new guy will conveniently be touted as a rescuer and hero for doing so, even when he was set up to do so from the start.
>implying ukraine will accept negotiations
they've repeatedly said that they won't start negotiating until they manage to push russia out of their country
also monke managed to shoot his foot with "annexation" of other ukrainian regions, crimea lost its "unique" status of "rightful russia clay don't touch or nooooks"
>the war ends, Ukraine recovers everything but crimea
i fail to see any scenario which ends up with ukraine recovering dombabwe before crimea
Eastern war doctrine is shit. In your scenario you just end up with a western military with western doctrines.
The difference would be the mentality of the armed forces and civilians. Risk tolerance would be higher and casualty acceptance would exist. Live by the sword and all that. Black Hawk down wouldn't get a movie, but a footnote in military archives as well as a punitive action against Mogadishu.
The account in your image was literally called "spindokto" and was deleted after 3 days of activity. They never accepted untrained volunteers to begin with.
The only thing that this war provides is anabsolute certainty of Eastern doctrine being dogshit.
Well, yeah but also not really
Kharkiv counteroffensive was an example of mostly eastern doctrine:
- Deception & concealment
- Deep breakthrough with forward elements raiding enemy rear
- Massed second echelon advance breaking up enemy cohesion and forming multiple envelopments
The key thing here is russians are absolutely dogshit at their own doctrine and ukies can do it better
I can agree with the two others as American doctrine would be a overwhelming combined arms fire preparation and European doctrine would be forward infiltration, both followed by combined arms assault.
However deception is a dance, the opponent must agree to be deceived by his own flaws, usually via hubris. I wouldn't say those operations were part of Eastern doctrine as much as they were a true hybrid, Western intelligence apparatus and Eastern bravado. No Western HQ would approve an operation that is 80% based on the enemy being an idiot.
> < [ *goncerned trolling intensifies* ] >
Fuck off.
They're taking cover, subhuman.
yeah because it makes sense to take cover behind a flimsy metal box in a war where AT is prolific.
going prone and staying low? never heard of it. not moving in the open where the enemy can see you clear as day? don't worry about it.
Besides, they're clearly seeking contact with the enemy as evidenced by them moving. towards. the. enemy. you know, the fucking opposite of taking cover.
>using a BMP as an infantry tank
They are very lucky the Russians had no AT.
isnt an Infantry Support Vehicle meant to support infantry?
i dont see what they did wrong, honestly
yes, the BMP couldve been blasted, if the defenders could keep their head up after being blasted constantly by rifle fire
the BMP facilitates the advance, the infantry protects the BMP
Infantry Fighting Vehicle. They're meant to fight alongside the infantry, very much like what is seen in the video.
The BMP-1 is just such an outdated piece of shit, it can't fulfill the role properly. It lacks the suppressive capability to genuinely keep the enemy's head down since it lacks an autocannon and proper optics. If the enemy has any unsuppressed anti-tank capability, the vehicle is a death trap.
Something like the BMP-1 was primarily designed for mass assaults in conjunction with MBTs, by the Soviet military. Small actions like this video are very deadly for the attacker.
>If the enemy has any unsuppressed anti-tank capability
so in other words it's fine as long as there are a half dozen dudes with assault rifles and grenades following it around, like seen here
No, absolutely not. Four guys and a BMP-1 are nowhere near enough force concentration to reliably pull that off in that terrain. Any kind of actual AT threat there on the Russian's side would have ruined their day with ease.
As far as I remember standard procedure involves at absolute minimum three people - one gunner holding the surrendering party at gunpoint, another searching the prisoners and sending them behind the gunner after that and the third one watching those already searched. Like that time a hero vatnik trying to ambush a surrender procedure got all of them shot.
Yeah those guys on the video should've totally dropped what they were doing under enemy fire and engage in something police wouldn't bother doing during an arrest of armed criminals.
>If the enemy has any unsuppressed anti-tank capability
Ah, so it's a safe strategy against russian mobics.
>unsuppressed anti-tank capability
The only thing more suppressed is their latent homosexuality
The Russians replying to this thread are confused about using infantry support for their armored vehicles. It's some kind of arcane banderite HATO chud ritual that works somehow.
this feels fake this is some vatnik bullshit
catbox the home of russian disinfo
Can't commit warcrimes against r*ssians since they're not fucking human.
This is all a vatnik fake. You don't manoeuvre like that under fire and their equipment is wrong; this is staged fake russian bullshit
Decent bait, keep it up
Its true it is fake. The men who are supposed to be 'Ukrainian' are kitted out like fucking mobiks. The whole thing is fake and /k. has seen the russian try and dump fake warcrime shit here before.
this is PrepHole buddy
take your 4chan shit to /int/ or /a/
Pretty tame for warcrime shit. And I can guarantee there's been warcrime shit on the Ukie side, especially given how fucking difficult taking a prisoner in the middle of a fucking firefight would be.
Vatmoron fake crap confirmed. Could you fuck off now with you pathetic and obvious fake staged vatnik bullshit ?
Nah nah na nah nah, war sucks, people do shitty things, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Aham, sure mate, sure
yeah sure and seems to be a swarn of glavset self bumping here to. Fake staged vatmoron bullshit
A true schizo. You feel like a smart person don't you? You think that everyone who pushes back against your paranoid delusions are simply incapable of undestanding things the way that a man of your intellect can
>Vatmoron fake crap confirmed
>inb4 it's a vatnik false flag
I can't imagine why the ukies are trigger happy.
But I also didn't see the guy on the ground twitch in any way whatsoever with all those shots. Usually if there's SOMETHING when a 5.45 hit. A jerk, a twitch, hell even the the vest in the corpse at 4:51 gets visibly ruffled.
Also remembering the Kupyansk vid. The "smack a russian" one where a dude was pinned between a BTR/MTLB and a brick structure of some kind. Ukie fired over his head to scare him.
I think it's closer to the "they massacred the surrendered" video, where a vatnik starts shooting and the Ukkies blast him and his buddies (who might have genuinely wanted to surrender).
>be russian
>want to do something decent for once
>your own fellow crabs pull you back into the bucket
Story as old as time. I'm reminded of that one VDV babyface from the start of the war. He tried to get his fellows to stop shooting some civilians, allegedly, and got by them for it. Image was his bled-out corpse witting with its back against a dumpster. Very poetic.
And I can't seem to find it.
I remember the photo, there’s the arm of the person he tried to stop shooting in it as well. Sad all around and reminder of what happens to the good Russians, shot by their own side for being a human
Mondays
Jeez, what's the source on this story? That's fucked up, I wouldn't believe it if it there wasn't a obvious civilian dead next to him.
A significantly sigma male death
>Ukie fired over his head to scare him.
Its not. The retard said "kill me", so they shoot above his head.
Damn
Even cows need a more sophisticated fence to keep them from escaping than a russian
Have you seen the fence that was protecting the base with the crispy Russian plane? Someone post those photos and that one WebM.
He can tell his ancestors he died free for a noble cause. Can the Russians who killed him do the same?
Never forget
*t/
>Facing certain death
>Takes one last casual smoke
>Tells russoid scum to go fuck themselves with his last breath
>Dies in a blaze of gunfire from multiple AKs
If there wasn't so much independent confirmation I would believe this was staged. Statistically, such scenes of cinematic badassery should not be possible in real life.
Do you have a video of it with sound? I'm the guy who called it sigma earlier, today was the first time I was it and I wanna see with audio. That guy is so lucky it was recorded, if I died in such a cool way I'd hope that it was recorded so people could see
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21614652/ukrainian-cigarette-glory-killed-russians/
couldn't find anything better.
Too bad they cut a but before that where he smoked a bit.
He drops dead immediately, head shot while they mag dump him.
idk why they post this as some kind of own, that's a honourable way to go..
Every time we have to get some retarded vatnik looking for some warcrimes from every even slightly ambiguous situation.
Not saying there was no execution since the video cut off, but:
>infantry shooting over the heads of the dudes on the ground, to supress something we can't see past the brambles
>casually disarm the surrendered
>suddenly mentions a grenade, become agitated, starts shouting "Stop!"*
>start shooting
I think maybe they had (or thought they had) reasons to shoot.
*the shouts sound to me like "STOY!" and not like "VSTAVAI!" or "VSTATI" which would be Ukrainian for "Stand up!"
They can also be shouting "Vstal" which would sound a bit like "Stohl!" - if somebody is standing up. E.g. if there is someone that was only pretending to have surrendered.
Which of you two is wrong?
Are they telling him to stand up, or are they screaming about someone standing up?
"Bcтaл" can be used as imperative and as a statement of fact that someone did stand up. Considering they shout at this dude specifically, Hispanicing it up with a lot of blyads, it's the first case.
And it definitely wasn't "cтoй".
The part about grenade is partially unintelligible.
He does shout "cтoй" at the very end as the BMP starts moving, probably telling it to stop specifically.
Isn't the grenade line "гpaнaтy cмoтpи?"
Why do you care so much about those russians? Do you think they would show any courtesy or mercy to Ukranians? Of course not. Beasts should be treated like beasts.
>Why do you care so much about those russians? Do you think they would show any courtesy or mercy to Ukranians? Of course not. Beasts should be treated like beasts.
Then don't cry when Ukrainians POW are mowed down. Dehumanizing your enemy is a weak move. But above all you can't complain about Russian war crimes and then justify Ukrainian ones. Logic and consistency apply even during armed conflict. You retards are so blinded by this war you're bevahing worse than vatniks...
Dehumanizing your enemy is the first step of fighting a war
t. edgy teenager
Russians dehumanized themselves by eating dogs and raping kids a year ago, keep up.
Point me to a mass grave of russian civilians with hands ziptied behind their back made by ukies and then we can talk any semblance of party.
This tbh.
Then again PrepHole has defended all war crimes done by westerners. From the aussie popping the dude because no space on heli lmao to Guantanamo
the west is the best and we dont commit warcrimes. Deal with it.
>Then don't cry when Ukrainians POW are mowed down. Dehumanizing your enemy is a weak move
Russians have dehumanized themselves through their actions, and nobody would expect them to take POWs anyway any more than you can expect a filthy animal to understand the Constitution. If you recall, the Ukrainians tried to treat Russian POWs with respect and offered generous incentives for defectors, supported Russian civilians protests, and made extensive efforts to tried to appeal to the humanity of the Russian populace. Then Russia murdered civilians in Bucha, raped and looted wherever they went, kidnapped children from Kherson after murdering their parents, bombed maternity hospitals, bombed a theater containing more than a thousand refugees which was marked with a gigantic sign visible from thousands of feet that literally said "children" in Russian, reduced Mariupol to dust, castrated and tortured POWs, murdered 56 POWs with a bomb so they could blame it on HIMARS, committed massacres in Izyum and Lyman, bombed the power grid during winter with the aim of freezing the civilian population to death, and leveled Bakhmut with artillery. There has literally never been any time or place in history in the last 100 years where Russia has taken over, and there WEREN'T massive war crimes committed.
But luckily for them they have weak, hand-wringing gays like you to make excuses and draw false equivalencies and say that Russians are actual human beings and not just a walking plague on the earth. Ukrainians are 100% justified in doing evil unto evil and any Russian captured alive by Ukrainians should be overwhelmed with gratitude.
i'd love to see ukraine getting proper long range weaponry and just sending constant missile barrages into russia proper and showing them how it feels for a change (but we all know the west would cry if they did that)
>it was not a warcrime
ok
>it was a warcrime
based, do it again
fuck off, concern trolls
this tbh
see
, fuck 'em all
>a swarn of glavset self bumping here to. Fake staged vatmoron bullshit
>deflect >deflect >deflect >deflect >deflect
this one hurt didn't it? seeing your worthless vatniks getting killed by some badly equipped tdf unit kek
They aren't humans if they followed Putin's orders.
Lost grace sites are safe spaces. This is a warcrime
Nerd.
Man, I would pay big money to be able to finish russians like the last guy.
it's crazy to me that the bog standard bmp1 still sees active service.
russians commit hundreds of war crimes with glee and no one bats an eye.
Guys, I think I finally thought of my badass warcrime-committing catchphrase.
"You killed all the good men; Now I'm all that's left."
"You too."
i'm going to steal it
Saved
just kys
>"You killed all the good men; Now I'm all that's left."
Original yet edgy. A bit verbose but that's ok. Reminds me of this.
?t=294
I like it anon.
damn, thats a textbook example of mechanized infantry
Which one is it?
A Ukrainian committing a warcrime is a tragedy.
Russians committing thousands is a statistic.
Friendly reminder that those are bydlo chmobsters who had on average 7 days of somewhat real training, which does not include how do you surrender as this is the last thing that concerns kremlin.
fake
if some of the muh warcrime retards itt were fighting there they would be dead by now because of some cheeky fake surrendering buryat wtih rgd5 for sure
I swear to god, Russia screeching warcrime everytime something happens reminds me of pic.
My favorite is when they start crying about the minsk agreements. They have no frontal lobe.
BMP-1s are such huge pieces of shit, Jesus. Absolutely terrible infantry suppression capabilities.
p1/3
p2/3
>556
Nice
p3/3
Imagine trying to hear/spot a speck in the sky ready to drop a grenade on top of you at any moment during this.
>When the Russians try this 1 BMP and some troops assault they get pasted
>Southpaw
You want real FPS?
You get real FPS!
is he bhopping or how is he going that fast?
Unlike what videogames want to to think, soldiers wich are usually healthy, young man are able to sprint for more then 10 seconds
FOV shenannigans.
>hes a speeddemon
OH MY GOD. REPORT
Wide FOV gopro making everything feel like super speed
NATO biolabs
props to ukies for keeping their military still well-equipped enough to look like a military
Yea they executed that guy. The video wouldn't have cut off at that moment if they didn't lol
why not cut it off 3/4 second sooner to actually hide the execution?
Because its not execution.
kek why the fuck those vatniks just laying there? The BMP almost ran that dude over, not sure the Ukrainians neve knew they were there.
>nooooooooo muh wah crims
what's with all the pussies itt?
Russian gays trying to gaslight.
>slavs act like subhumans
shocking
>don't cooperate
>surprised about being shot
Cool but WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING
>2a28 fire, with sounds
neato, I always wanted to watch that low-pressure gun in action
>vatnigs suddenly concerned about war crimes
lmfao
kill all vatnigs
Here, here. Make the Volga boil.
i was watching barry lyndon the other day and during the scene where the redcoats charge against the french regiment it made me wonder
what must these moments of total hopelessness in war feel like? you're surrounded by enemies, your squad has already scattered, any resistance is futile and it is a matter of minutes until you're executed
Hypothetical event in this scenario.
Sone of them gets wounded while they're advancing behind BTR. Is the attack over? Do they have to retreat to treat the wounded soldier? Or do they leave him and keep advancing?
I always wondered in real war, death or injury of a single squad member pretty much fucks up the whole operation right?
Infantry support for vehicles? What is this satanic HATO sorcery?
I bet that last russian thought the bmp was just gonna roll right over him
>Cигapeткy?
They didn't kill the two at the end you fucking schizos
They are from Kryvyi Rih https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryvyi_Rih
The patch does not identify any unit though. It's just a commercial item.
I do believe that is a TDF patch, same color scheme/design style as TDF logo.
>https://files.catbox.moe/jl1pv0.MP4
The fact that Ukies execute surrendering/wounded enemy combatants and drop munitions on wounded enemies is irrelevant to the question of who to support in this war. The Ukrainian cause must be supported to maintain global norms. We cannot allow totalitarian imperialistic nations like Russia to invade their neighbors due to unfavorable political outcomes in their neighboring countries. We cannot allow war to spread into Europe, the heart of pluralistic western society.
But the fact of the matter is there is a ton of evidence of the Ukrainians doing things that, had it been Americans doing it to ragheads in the middle east the world would've undoubtedly considered them war crimes. Even the footage of them dropping frags and mortars on already wounded vatnigs is far more sketchy than most people realize due to the nature of the drone operations in Ukraine. It isn't like the American predator drone where the drone operator is thousands of miles away in Nevada while bombing some raghead in the tribal regions. The drone operator in Ukraine is typically within 1km of the drone. Obviously under the Geneva convention aircraft are not required to take prisoners but the fact is these things are being operated by infantry units that COULD take prisoners and obviously the Geneva convention needs to be updated regarding UAVs anyway.
OBVIOUSLY we should support Ukraine because Russia is the invader and they too are committing war crimes on an unimaginable scale but that doesn't mean I can't point out that the Ukrainians are acting very shitty sometimes and these videos of them bombing wounded men aren't "kino", its fucked up watching a man gasping for air while choking on his own blood get hit over and over by grenades that seem as though they're dropped just far enough away to make his death more painful rather than hasten it.
>that doesn't mean I can't point out that the Ukrainians are acting very shitty sometimes and these videos of them bombing wounded men aren't "kino", its fucked up watching a man gasping for air while choking on his own blood get hit over and over by grenades that seem as though they're dropped just far enough away to make his death more painful rather than hasten it.
its JUSTIFIED and DESERVED.
They want to be a NATO country and NATO countries should be held to a higher standard. The fight in Ukraine isn't just for UKRAINE. It's a fight for our values as a modern society.
The drone stuff is more egregious to me than this incident in the video--this I can actually understand as it is literally in the heat of battle. But even still, murdering men who are surrendering or gravely wounded(not sure what the situation is in this video but we have seen other examples) isn't justified no matter what unless its perfidy.
I understand this shit wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for Vladimir Putin making the decision to kill every last man to secure a strategic boundary between Russia and NATO(fucking retarded notion in the era of modern warfare, but Russia cannot defend itself the way Western countries can because it has no comprehensive road network). I just think there's some fucked up shit being done by Ukrainians and we should call that out. Violence is contagious and this kind of war could easily spread into other Eastern European shitholes and then into some of the slightly better Eastern European shitholes until eventually there is war bordering on the nicer parts of Europe.
You can not surrender to a drone retard. They had their chance of defecting or taking prison time instead of getting drafted.
Give them access to the full NATO weapon cache and that war is over tomorrow. They fight with the few things they got, which we give them to bleed russia dry. They don't have the luxury of being noble and spare the invaders.
>They want to be a NATO country and NATO countries should be held to a higher standard.
Aren't American marines in actual war and not fighting against durkas in desert were known for extreme brutality?
Pretty much this. I think the war crime aspect will come to haunt everyone as this is gearing up to be a long ass war
>no two identical patches
>no two identical gear
Yeah, I'm starting to lean towards fake
Because militaries never get standard equipment in?
Did that guy at the end get greased? Hard to tell since the video cuts out
Hey remember the Wagner theme song that goes:
> Two grenades on the belt
> For the foe, and for myself
What's the tactical advantage of std-ridden mercs trained to suicide nade before surrendering?