The non-tard thread for you, gents. Note that the tard used an old photo, because he is very stupid.
IAV 2024 — The German-UK joint venture Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL) has shared imagery of a first British Army Challenger 3 Main Battle Tank (MBT) prototype, after completing the build of the new vehicle at its Telford, England, production facility.
There will be a total of eight prototypes of the Challenger 3 to enable a wide range of trials to be undertaken, followed by Low-Rate Initial Production (LRIP) and Full-Rate Production (FRP).
Images of Challenger 3 P1 show that it has a slightly wider and longer turret which could also be fitted to other MBTs as part of an upgrade package.
https://shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/first-challenger-3-rolled-out
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/01/revealed-first-look-at-uk-challenger-3-main-battle-tank-prototype
Isn't the UK joining the German/French next gen tank project?
not as far as I know, perhaps they'll join later on.
those next-gen projects are for the mid to long-term future, like 10-20 years in the future.
for the short to mid-term future, all three countries have upgrades for their current MBTs in the works, Challenger 3 for the UK, Leclerc XLR for France, and Leopard 2A8/2AX for Germany.
Thank you Germany!
you're welcome
because they already have a fleet of working Challenger 2 and just want to upgrade them instead of building/buying entirely new tanks.
It's a bit more than a basic upgrade, they are rebuilding the entire vehicle including modifying the hulls.
It’s just a bog standard upgrade on a 30 year old hull. There is only production around it because the challenger never received any meaningful updates since it entered service
>It’s just a bog standard upgrade
It's an entirely new turret, new gun, new sensors and systems, new generation of the existing engine (up to 1500hp), new generation of hydrogas suspension. two new generations of armour pack on the hull and the turret. new APS, entirely new interior.
The only thing staying is or original internal hull shape, it is impossible to do a more extensive update without having a completely new tank. Thats why it's Challenger 3, not Challenger 2 mk xxx
Why don't they just buy Abrams or Leopard 2? It l has a German gun and German armor, as well as an American engine. It isn't even a British tank anymore.
>tard
What's this schizo posting I keep seeing in regards to literally every single armored vehicle?
Lurk more homosexual
Tell me how getting emotionally invested in schizoposting will help when every thread about any armor vehicle gets the same replies.
But why? They're just converting 150 challenger 2s to 3 standard without any ability to procure new hulls.
to have 150 up to date MBTs rather than 150 MBTs that are slowly getting outdated. If they want to expand their MBT fleet, then yes, the question about new hulls arises, but as of now, it doesn't.
150 tanks is a very small amount of tanks. Granted the challenger 2 is 2 decades late for an upgrade so it makes sense to throw a little work the industries way. What I won’t do is pretend the challenger 3 is the best tank in the world when it’s just now receiving upgrades to bring them more in line with currently produced tanks
>150 tanks is a very small amount of tanks.
true, but the UK doesn't focus on land forces. It's better than nothing.
>What I won’t do is pretend the challenger 3 is the best tank in the world
it's on par with other modern western tanks, making it (among) the best.
we're currently seeing 50+ year old T-55s and Leo 1s being used in Ukraine, so I don't see why anyone would think upgrading current MBTs would be a bad idea.
Not having at least a low rate production of new hulls going to be able to scale up in case it's needed seems silly
Especially since the world is now slowly heating up again
>Island Nation
>Nuclear era
Bruh
>They're just converting 150 challenger 2s to 3 standard without any ability to procure new hulls.
Wouldn't the inability to restock their tank fleet absolutely rape them in a real war?
I'd rather have a bad tank I cab replace than a good tank I will never have more than 150 of with no way to restock.
Nuclear era. Countries with nukes dont get into real wars.
>U... Ukraine
Ukraine doesnt have nukes, hence they are in a real war. British army is a projectile fired by the Royal Navy and its intended target are thirdies whom have forgotten themselves.
To put it differently, there isnt anyone out there who is going to kill more than 20 or 30 British tanks. In this regard, the new British ORBAT is brutally pragmatic.
>Countries with nukes dont get into real wars
Actually, Europe is coming round to the spectre of a conventional war now because nobody is willing to pull the nuclear trigger first.
The Cold War HAS gone hot; the British, French and German top brass all made very public statements over the past couple of months to the effect, because the unthinkable has happened: Russia has shown itself to be willing to wage conventional war despite the massive numbers of casualties they're taking
The post-Airland Battle deterrence which NATO offered Russia, and which broke the Soviet Union, was that even if a nuclear exchange was off the table, superior NATO tech and smart weapons would inflict totally disproportionate losses on the Red Army and probably destroy it
However, in the past 2 years, the Russian Army has indeed taken massive casualties, with KIA and WIA amounting to literally the entire top 3 European armies put together, and at least three times more tanks than the top 5 European armies field... and they're STILL COMING
The British Army's NATO commitment is one tank battalion of about 50 tanks available at all times. Italy has the same commitment, and thus a similar number of Arietes. Germany and France, as the land-based powerhouses of West Europe, each intend to field two battalions of about 100 tanks in war, one battalion of 50 tanks in peacetime, so they have slightly larger tank fleets of about 200-plus tanks each
Growing the armies beyond this size will require more voter commitment, however
so have the Swedish and the balts and the Norwegians and the fins
>a slightly wider and longer turret which could also be fitted to other MBTs as part of an upgrade package
Probably what will happen in the long term. Make a modern turret with modular Epsom armour and fighting systems that will be good for 30+ years
Stick it on an American/German/Korean whatever hull in 10-15 years time and apply British-made Farnham armour kits to that.
Vickers and Marconi (both now BAE) were keen on universal turrets in the 1990s with the Marksman SPAA and the turret that was on the Mk.7 MBT (Leopard hull) and EE-T1 Osório
What's with the massive cutout in the turret armour above the driver's hatch on Leopard 2A5/6/7?
No such cutout exists. Only on the challenger 2 hull
Sad that you'd believe such things
fugly tank
will still be shit A-10 strafe bait
>why can't bongs make good tanks?
something we have all been asking ourselves since they claim to have invented them (really it was the french)
“The Challenger 3 program will deliver the best tank in NATO ... and deliver a network enabled, digital main battle tank, providing the soldier with a step changing capability," said Rory Breen, strategy and future business director at RBSL.
“What we do for a prototype is take a bare chassis and trade about 50 percent of the LRU’s (Line Replaceable Units) … and everything else, except the turret ring, is brand new,” said Breen.
Please forget that the contract is to use the existing hulls
that's just marketing speech, every businessman does it. It might not be *the* best tank in NATO, but it will be adequate for the near future.
>the contract is to use the existing hulls
same goes for all Abrams production for the past thirty years, moron
>still trying to sell this moronic meme
You get more success if it wasn't so artificial and forced
>don’t believe your lying eyes
>AAHHHHHHHHHH STOP POINTING OUT THE HUGE FRICKING CUT OUT OF THE ARMOR AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Your insecurities are showing
>Your insecurities are showing
Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle a Black person, I don't know what is.
adequate for the 1990s maybe
What’s with the spamming/flooding the board all because the challenger is finally getting an upgrade. These aren’t new production tanks for fricks sake.
OP is seething that the first post with most replies about the challenger 3 called it frick ugly
because it is frick ugly
Tripgay OP has started making doubles of every warriortard thread. Why? I don't know, it won't stop them being shit up beyond all recognition by him.
which is funny because I'm the OP of the last thread and this OP is schizo malding about some boogeyman that lives rent free
I actually like UK tech but this thing is frick ugly
It was made by that delouser trip. He’s a known spammer
Where's the cope cage?
Even Challenger 2 has a cope cage
Crazy to think that tank has probably been in Bosnia and Iraq at some point.
>already falseflagging
It's all so tiresome.
>I view somebody having an opinion that I don't agree with on the internet on an anime imageboard as a threat to free thought
1. you're sad as all hell
2. sounds more like you just want to censor anything you don't agree with
This guy honestly thinks he’s some type of avenger protecting /k/ from the big meanie
MoD/RBSL published some medium res but clearer images of what was shown at IAV
Thanks.
Didn't even read it. Making this thread took 1 minute.
Linkedin copies of some pics are larger by pixel count (2048 long). Lower filesize.
Looks like if an Abrams and K2 had a kid
>Still using the shit 7.62 chain gun
What should they replace it with?
Yes let’s discuss a minor tank upgrade for the third thread in a row
>finally unfrick the gun
>still store ammo inside the hull
great upgrade you have there
>still store ammo inside the hull
You're just making shit up now.
It's a new turret, has blowout panels. It's not a modified Challenger 2 turret like the previous demonstrator was
Considering there are only 4-6 photos that have been cleared for public release and they're all from the front of the tank: No
And get you can say with much confidence that they have them? Remember the abrams is the only tank in the world to not store ammo with the crew
I forgot it. Like I've said before, the trip is reserved for pest control. I don't use it for any other purpose.
This is my third post ITT. I am
(this post)
Why do you spam threads? What’s the reading behind it? Why did you drop your aaa handle
>why do you make non-shitposting versions of crappy threads made by a schizo?
Nta, but wtf is your problem?
>Nta
Yes you are lmao
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Post discarded. You sound like said schizo, just saying.
You mean like you replied twice to the same post, schizo?
You'll never stop being a lolcow, warriortard. You are too schizo for letting this ever happen.
I like how you never learned to just shut up, i like how you already forgot how you were supposed to be impersonating two posters, i like how i will get a reply to this post.
>The fartsniffer's thread got deleted so he's now trying to derail this one
Sad!
>The first reply to my post's the fartsniffer
Sadder!
>Nooo you've just got to let morons shitfling ad infinitum
I guess that when a hobo shits on your lawn you don't make the moron clean it
you do realize your the 2nd hobo on my lawn, you dont clean up shit, you only make threads worse + you have some form of autist with the fart obession
>Reading comprehension
Damn.
My point still stand, your a cancer worse that threadmaker and armatard or su57 tard
>Making shit up
damn
how am i making shit up
I fricking hate those tumour shaped fume extractors
It's either those or the frog compressed air system.
Not a big tank guy and I kinda like the Chally 2 but this "seam" at the front looks like a really bad idea? Wouldn't this create a weak point in the front armor? Anyone that knows what their talking about able to explain?
>the whole purpose of this post is to artificially rail the discussion to the latest obsession of mine
>don't you worry, i have a reply to it readily at hand!
From my ability to read comments on PrepHole I have deduced a couple of explanations
1: it's a bare hull and that shit won't be exposed when it's had the mandatory armour upgrades
2: Challenger has always focused on big beefy turrets because anything that low being exposed to enemy fire is against doctrine
But I have no fricking clue tbh
It’s a known weak point. Ukraine is covering them up
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-modifying-challenger-2-tanks-to-address-weakness-report-2023-9?amp
It’s going to be hard for the challenger 2 damage control squad to refute this article and what it means for the challenger 2 hull
It's okay, the article still says it's a better tank than Leopard
Only 1 has been destroyed and the article calls Forbes "Frobes", so I suspect the article is somewhat shit
1 tank is still 1 tank, and that’s a lot considering the challenger isn’t exactly the lynchpin of ukranian operations. Show me a single video of the challenger being used to any effect on Ukraine
show me a single video of this weak point getting hit by Russians
show me a video of a javelin killing a tank with a cope cage with a top down attack. this is such a non argument all we do on here is discuss heresay, not him but again your fricking threads up, youre a cancer
>w…we only lost 7% of the tanks in country without participating in a single successful engagement
>UK delivers tanks without the usual add-on armor
>Ukraine adds on their own armor
>STOP THE PRESSES
it's like complaining Ukrainian Bradleys don't have blue force tracker
here they come to screech about how it's not a cut-out and that your eyes are lying
the article specifically notes that the 'weak point' is uparmoured in deployed british challenger units but that the armour package as not supplied to ukraine, it also notes that the leo 2 is not as good on a one to one basis but we wont mention that part will we.
>leo 2 is not as good on a one to one basis but we wont mention that part will we
The Greeks answered this
And the Ukranians disagree.
The top part is just a splash screen to deflect water/mud
The bottom row is part of the mounting system for engineering equipment and up-armour kits
>seam
it's not a problem, every tank has it
>I have no fricking clue
before your time maybe, only us Cold War fanboys would remember details like that
>1 and 2
both true, however that's not what the picture was highlighting
anon was going after the join in the lower and upper front plates
I think that's just a mounting bracket for the addon armor packs
>weak point
>its the front
the brits have done it again folks
Warriortard really didn't like how this threads was going.
my headcanon's that he's just autistic to a point that he's angry at reality for not being anti-anglo enough, any show of competence from them is heresy for him
have some introspection, its you who is constanly fricking up every thread, not just threadtard his threads, please turn off your computer.
Discuss: The relative merits of rifled and smoothbore tank guns.
I'm gonna miss the rifled gun, it's pretty kino but unfortunately self stabilizing ammunition and not having to use the frickawful 2 part ammo should give the smoothbore a solid leg up over it's more stylish cousin.
I'll be sad if I never see a rifled gun HESH a russian mobik or vehicle into red mist though.
>Half German
Well at least it will sort of decent compared to what the bongs will shit out
Seems to trace back to this tripcode
>samegayging turbo autist assumes everyone does the same thing as him
What's hard for you to understand about this, tard? You made another slide thread about the challenger. I brought the discussion prompt here. This thread does not exist to push my opinions on british armored vehicles. Like most other users, I can't be fricked to think much about them at all. This thread exists to sequester you in the threads of others while offering a detour to those who would otherwise be baited into replying to your threads.
I am here to elevate discussion quality and, as a happy little side effect, break you and your kind on the wheel. I am deleting your ego. You cannot prevent this. But enough about me. Like I said, this thread is not about me. It's about weapons. Problem? Too bad.
Thanks for the wall of cringe.
Please tell me you see the irony in creating a trip just to post about one guy and then claiming to delete his ego.
see
>have a tripcode: twist one way
>don't have a tripcode: twist the other
only disingenuous homosexuals do this
This might be one of the most moronic posts I've seen on /k/. The amount of historical illiteracy contained within so few words is actually impressive.
No, I think OP is an insufferable homosexual who's duplication of your threads achieves absolutely nothing. I'm just remarking on the irony of YOU complaining about him self-bumping to keep his thread alive.
Not British. Why is it important to you that they be "upset"?
>have a great tank
>make a new one
>have a shit IFV
>keep it
It looks like some T-72 or T-80 or something like that, wtf??? Awful design.
What an ugly tank, bong moment
It looks old rather than ugly.
RBSL has followed up today with a joint supply chain map for Boxer and Challenger 3.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rbsl_boxer-and-challenger-supplier-map-activity-7155853182353424385-cRmL
Why are you bumping your own thread like this? Do you need attention?
He didn't hide it, he doesn't do it too often and he actually posts something informative which is kinda a big plus compared to the "competion". You know who i'm talking about.
Just tying things off with the rest of the media. They took a day to add stuff like the vendor list in
. The tard is upset because he wants the thread to expire. There's no credible complaint to be made over adding the new stuff to the thread about the new stuff, obviously. This looks to be the end of it, at any rate.
For comparison and posterity, here are the infographics from 2021. And for one last giggle, check out this channel's thumbnails. https://youtu.be/wnDITaOl--U
thanks mate
>wide area search and assisted target detection
bloody hell
>The tard is upset because he wants the thread to expire.
Quality is the biggest threat to his insubstantial copy paste shitposting and circling around the same topic for a quadrillion time. I'm pretty sure the mods are currently on the lookout for his threads, so he's damned to make whining and implying posts and pathetic false flag posts.
A sampling of things that are also Challenger 3, according to GPT farms that now dominate image search (they generate slop with larger dimensions than the real press release photos).
its optics look worried
>The best tank in the world is also the best looking tank.
God's will.
The other official one.
>The German-UK joint venture
Have the brits finally learned their lesson?