My girlfriend went to Pride with some friends and now she wants a gun in the house so urgently she's willing to contribute six hundred bucks to my budget to buy one and keep us safe. That brings the war chest up to about three grand, but a question remains; what do I buy?
I don't mean which model of rifle or whatever. Do I go for the poorgay trifecta and snag a rifle, shotgun, and pistol for sub-2kthe rest on ammo and an optic? Do I buy a mid-tier concealed carry pistol, a good holster, and lots of training? Is springing for a SBR/suppressor better than an equivalent amount of ammo and training?
Geeze dude I hate gays too but I don't necessarily go into a murderous rage at the mere sight of them. Tell her to wait a decade or so and we can get rid of them legally.
I don't think she was overcome with divine and homophobic fury but maybe my prayers have been answered.
I've gone hunting (whitetail and dove) with friends before, and would love a gun suitable for that. That's why shotguns and even in the running, really.
I've gone hunting before and enjoyed it, but not so much that I feel comfortable making it a line-item in a budget intended to keep us safe. I'm surprised that two pistols and a rifle fit in three grand; aren't firearms an expensive hobby?
My only hang-up with an AR is its suitability for hunting. I know it's legal to take whitetail with .223, but none of the hunters I know are willing to. Maybe I shouldn't be giving a prospective hobby so much weight in this decision, I don't know.
I've checked, I promise.
>I'm surprised that two pistols and a rifle fit in three grand;
You could easily buy two standard carry guns and a mid-tier AR for $2k
>aren't firearms an expensive hobby?
Practical weapons aren't expensive. It's the ammo and the high end or rare guns that will getcha.
be honest, if you were going hunting you would already have a hunting rifle
>My only hang-up with an AR is its suitability for hunting.
You can easily get a different upper in a larger caliber for hunting and swap that on when you want to go bag a deer. Or just buy a separate gun for hunting, with your $3k budget you can easily afford both.
>Or just buy a separate gun for hunting, with your $3k budget you can easily afford both.
This.
For under $450 you can buy a Savage Axis II with a scope.
It doesn’t work like that. You will need a bigger lower as well if you want to shoot full sized cartridges. The AR lower will only switch between 300blk 6.5 Grendel and 6mm arc uppers. 6.5 isn’t bad I guess but it’s still intermediate
Obviously an AR-15 isn't going to shoot a .308 but there are many options that fit in an AR-15 and are more suitable than .223 for hunting deer. In addition to what you mentioned there's also .25-45 Sharps, 7mm Raptor, .350 Legend, .375 Socom, .450 Bushmaster, and .458 Socom.
True
300 hamr too. Which I've only just heard about but am now interested in.
>aren't firearms an expensive hobby?
Depends, like many hobbies it can grow to fit your budget but you can do it fairly cheaply with cheap ammo and doing just the basics for minimal training too.
A suitable bolt action hunting rifle will run <500. My recommendation would be a Savage bolt action with a scope, mossberg 500 shotgun for hunting and home defense, and a compact handgun, like a glock 19, with a light for home defense
What are your uses? A good general utility rifle is a PSAR. Runs under 600, add an optic and you've got a decent gun.
A good, "put in the closet and forget about it" gun, which is exactly what you are going to do you giant homosexual, is a polymer 9mm pistol. Just pick one they're all fine if they cost more than $300.
You will never train with a shotgun. Don't buy a shotgun.
I'll give you some real advice later if others don't first, heading to the range right now. Don't be discouraged by noguns meme responses, it's good if liberals have guns too. That said I would not suggest going right to expensive stuff first though suppression is good, but you're looking at a minimum 3-5 month wait there assuming they are legal in your state at all. SBRs same and also not at all worth it at your stage. With your budget and focus on self defense don't worry about optics either, a holo or rds is fine and you can get a magnifier to go with later once you train enough to need it. 2x $1k guns and a few nice pistols both of you can train together with is much better starting off then silly gucci.
>Do I go for the poorgay trifecta and snag a rifle, shotgun, and pistol for sub-2kthe rest on ammo and an optic? Do I buy a mid-tier concealed carry pistol, a good holster, and lots of training? Is springing for a SBR/suppressor better than an equivalent amount of ammo and training?
First, I think it's important to be up-front and honest with yourself about what you want to use the guns for. A 12-ga, for example, is indeed a very flexible gun that can be used for lots of different purposes, but if you aren't going to go hunting and you aren't planning on shooting clays then all that flexibility doesn't mean a damn thing.
Second, training beats fancypants accessories nearly every single time. Burning all your budget on a high-end gun with a suppressor but having no money left over for ammo or range time is stupid.
I'm going to assume you and your GF's purpose behind buying (guns) is for protection. Home defense. With $3k you can easily buy:
-Two compact or subcompact carry pistols, one for you and one for her.
-A basic AR15 for home defense
-all your basic new gun owner shit (cleaning stuff, holsters, etc.)
-plenty of money left over for ammo and training.
>-all your basic new gun owner shit (cleaning stuff, holsters, etc.)
This is important and easy for newguns to underestimate/forget. Guns are machines, they need maintenance. Regular cleaning, lubrication, basic tools to work with it, etc. You need to be able to effectively transport it. You'll want to be able to store it and ammo in a reasonably safe and organized manner. This stuff doesn't cost tons but it does cost the first time.
>That could have some utility, but adds to OAL. It's also not that effective on a rifle, although it could work great on a PCC.
lol wut? This is totally wrong, also PCCs aren't worth considering these days and never were for newguns. I think cans are good in home defense because they'll help save hearing if needed and the rest of the time make training much more pleasant and safer, it's just they're a PITA under US gov to get.
Pistol/pcc for contrast.
Basically guns are very loud and you're aren't getting that low with anything at all except certain subsonic ammo. And even "that low" is still "full revving chainsaw" or something level of noise. They pair well with minimal electronic earpro though.
Oh right, safety equipment. Don't forget to get some decent eye/ear protection.
A good CC pistol and an AR-15 is the meta because they are cheap, versatile and effective.
There's not much need to spend thousands on a Gucci AR when a basic middle of the range one works well. Even a poverty spec PSA build can be excellent if you shoot it and tweak out any QC issues that might have slipped through.
>SBR
16" ARs are pretty maneuverable for home defense. It doesn't really make sense to spend more on a tax stamp to shave off a few inches (which is also detrimental to ballistic performance) and it REALLY doesn't make sense to skip the stamp and ride dirty on an HD gun.
>Suppressor
That could have some utility, but adds to OAL. It's also not that effective on a rifle, although it could work great on a PCC.
>Shotgun
Doesn't hurt but won't really do anything the AR doesn't. Plus your GF might be able to use an AR easily but struggle with the recoil of a shotgun.
My advice is this.
>Get a good CC capable pistol (Glock 19 or smaller) that both you and your GF like and can shoot well.
>Get one for you and one for her.
>Get a mid tier AR for HD.
>Once you can afford it get her an AR as well.
>Then get other shit just because guns are neat and fun to shoot.
That way you'll each have an HD and a carry gun, but they will be able to share parts, ammunition and magazines. From then on anything else is fun+a bonus like shotguns, revolvers, neat-o milsurps.
yep this is perfect. 2 identical glocks and an affordable AR
>Girlfriend
>Pride
OP, I havre something to tell you.
You're girlfriend is not a girl.
>My girlfriend went to Pride with some friends and now she wants a gun in the house
What does this have to do with anything?
>witness festival of israeli degeneracy
>think anything other than "the end times are upon us"
>Get a BCM AR-15 with an 11.5” barrel
>get a compact pistol (Glock 19 size)
>get 10 AR surefeed mags
>get a good conceal carry holster and belt for your pistol
>get a. Aimpoint t2 and a Surefire light for your rifle
Spend the rest on ammo for both and spend the time shooting them.
>BCM
>buying garbage that the company itself says breaks if you don't wait 3 to 4 seconds between shots
Eww
They looked at the gun and saw a rare issue then fix the gun. Oh no.
>He bases his gun purchases off of /arg/ memes
KAC and LMT are way overpriced now for what you get. BCM are not, BCM are still quality rifles and some meme email won’t change that
What’s up non AR owner
get two Glock 19 and a 20 gauge shotgun
>easy recoil
>home defense
>hunting
and if you get one with beretta style chokes you can easily find a rifled choke for use with sabot slugs. a youth model that has a 24” barrel and slightly shorter length of pull can be used by you and her while being more maneuverable inside the house. birdshot might not be lethal but anything else is
Just get $3000 worth of Taurus Judges and 410 shot shells.
Buy a Scar 17.
>conceal carry
>cheap AR-15 with a lot of ammo and mags, think PSA or a Ruger 556
>maverick 88 security
for the conceal carry, you gotta find what is right for you, preferably the largest pistol you can conceal and is double stack but if you are a twig like me, you gotta suck it up and get a small pistol
I use the Ruger EC9S, not the best but it's cheap, tiny, and perfectly fits in my hand
This is the ultimate trifecta of guns to have for self defense, practical reasons like hunting, and if shit hits the fan you have a gun for every purpose
Home defense?
Pump shotgun.
Put rest in bank.
Get a Ruger PC Charger and Glonk. You can share ammo and mags.
Then if you buy Liberty Ultra Lites you can shoot 9mm at 2000+ fps out of the Charger, and suppressed 148gr from the same gun too.
>Captcha AXX00
Plus, it’s just fun and cheap to shoot.
t. I’ve got one.
I’ve considered PCC+glock+hunting rifle. Do you know why an AR is usually preferred for hd? Is it just a matter of pistol vs. rifle caliber ballistics, even with barrel length parity?
No clue. She was with friends and she wasn’t assaulted, but she hasn’t really explained why this is such a priority now when before she was insisting I keep them in a rented storage locker if I bought any.
She saw the face of Satan reflected in the hollow husks of people there and glimpsed the future.
A pcc will be slightly more manageable in a hd situation but will be greatly inferior any other time. A $1000 ar with optic and light plus two polymer 9mm handguns are your best bet. I prefer the vp9 but frankly their all about the same
>goes to gay parade
>decides weaponry is needed
Have you found a hyperbased girl or what? please explain the logic here
homie just buy two stribogs for 1400
>Do I buy a mid-tier concealed carry pistol, a good holster, and lots of training?
M&P Shield. Good for conceal carry. 500 rounds of ammo, practice. Another 500rounds, practice.
Get an AR or an AK. You can find top of the line AK for $1000, then you would just need a $400 optic. You "could" go for an AR, but good AR start at $1600 and then you would need an optic. Go with the AK, more idiot proof and cheaper ammo. If you want to spend more, go with the AR but keep in mind the AR is a long term project. Longer to practice, longer to refine, less forgiving of mistakes. It isn't a weapon for idiots.
>Get an AR or an AK. You can find top of the line AK for $1000, then you would just need a $400 optic. You "could" go for an AR, but good AR start at $1600 and then you would need an optic. Go with the AK, more idiot proof and cheaper ammo. If you want to spend more, go with the AR but keep in mind the AR is a long term project. Longer to practice, longer to refine, less forgiving of mistakes. It isn't a weapon for idiots.
Come on man, why would you go online and tell lies like that?
If it's for your GF there's only one option OP. I work in a gun store and this is the only gun I will sell to a woman. you sound like a limp wristed beta male too so would be good for you as well.
KelTec PMR-30 is the best you can get, low recoil and high capacity, affordable but reliable
Don't waste your money on ammo, spring for the top tier AR and suppressor. I wish I had skipped the phase where I bought cheap "quality" guns recommended by redditors
Care to elaborate?
(You) just need a cheap .22 revolver, maybe $100 at a pawn shop. and two bullets. One for (You), one for your "girl"friend. Just don't miss.
If you live anywhere even remotely urban, just get a handgun, a good light and send a couple hundred rounds through it.
Maybe try point shooting (and if you get good at point shooting you don't even need a red dot) or get a ccl if you're interested in that.
Glocks are well designed and NOT Black personlicious, HK is generally good too