>According to the officer, Ukrainian troops do not know how to attack and their training is backward, as if straight from the Soviet Union.
>- Ukrainians think they are good soldiers. However, being in the trenches for eight years, scared, does not make you a skilled soldier. Training makes a soldier, the officer downloads.
>That is why the Finnish officer has taken it upon himself to improve the training of Ukrainian soldiers, especially non-commissioned officers.
>He does not want to appear in public with his name and face. According to the officer, his military rank in Ukraine could even raise eyebrows in Russia, even though he is no longer in permanent service in Finland and does not represent Finland.
>What is particularly fatal for the continuation of the war is that, in the officer's opinion, Ukrainian troops are incapable of fast-paced mobile warfare. That is why the war has become bogged down in old-fashioned positional warfare, in which the enemy's soldiers are killed by artillery.
>- The Ukrainian offensive is a frontal assault. You don't know how to hook," says the officer.
>The officer says it is easier to lead a frontal assault, but the result is a barely moving front line and huge losses. The cost of an armed war is high for both sides, but Ukraine has fewer reserves than Russia.
>In his opinion, the main problem is not the lack of weapons, but the fact that the Ukrainian armed forces are simply not competent enough.
>- The Ukrainians have a tremendous will and desire to win, but they will not succeed with this kind of warfare. I have not seen any signs of that," the officer says.
How would you train the Ukrainian Army?
>The West is trying to tip the balance of power in Ukraine's favour with massive arms aid. In the officer's view, this is necessary, but not enough.
>The most effective way to change the situation, he says, would be better training of soldiers - and Finnish military training would suit the Ukrainians very well.
>- The Finnish army currently has the best training in the world against Russia. We have been practising it for a hundred years, and we have even fought two wars," the officer recalls.
>The United States has trained special forces in Ukraine in particular, but the officer does not praise the model.
>- No one else has the same expertise in the forest and in the terrain as Finland. That's what we should be training here," he says.
>Finns have already provided some training in Ukraine. But it has been on a small scale and on a voluntary basis. According to the officer, there would be plenty of willing instructors in Finland if the Ukrainian and Finnish defence ministries could agree.
>- There would be a flood of reservists. Financially, it would be a piece of cake, the officer says - a pittance.
>Increasing military training would be the most cost-effective way to help the Ukrainians, he says.
>- That's why I'm here now, because it's pitiful how poorly trained rank and file soldiers and non-commissioned officers are sent to the front and come back in a coffin," he says.
>The Finnish army currently has the best training in the world against Russia. We have been practising it for a hundred years, and we have even fought two wars," the officer recalls.
Sure didn't stop you from losing Karelia and than surrendering on Soviet terms in 1944.
Russians are still missing 8 times as many people as we had in casualties in total, on top of their KIA and WIA
>fewer russians in their country
that's why russia can never lose no matter what
by that logic vietnam and the gwot were American victories
>by that logic vietnam and the gwot were American victories
if US was fighting for its existence, sure
If you treat Linebacker II in bombing the shit out of North Vietnam into submission as a military victory, yes. If you look at Vietnam as an overall geopolitical conflict, obviously not.
GWOT would apply as well. From the perspective of a military victory? Yes, the US flattened the Iraqi military and Taliban. The occupation is where retardation went pretty far but still counts as a victory. Politically Afghanistan was a political loss the moment it was occupied and goals shifted from cuntpunting Bin Laden to death.
>From the perspective of a military victory? Yes,
The military is just a tool for use in certain geopolitical problems. There's no such thing as a "military but not geopolitical" victory. If you lost on the grand GP front of a war, you lost the war
>The military is just a tool for use in certain geopolitical problems
A tool or the only tool? Your argument is shit
How would that logic apply to Vietnam when the roles are reversed?
>soviet big and strong loses lots of life for land
>finland small, survives and remains independent
>america big and strong, is forced to leave
>vietnam maintais independe but loses tons of lives
by just deciding the winner by casualties
>Russians are still missing 8 times as many people as we had in casualties in total, on top of their KIA and WIA
And Finland still lost clay.
>B-but we remained indep-p-pendent...
Get over it, you lost clay, Soviets dictated your foreign policy, you were de facto part of Eastern Block until the 90s. You lost, although not as bad as the Baltics or Poland.
>make concern troll thread in bad faith
>it gets moved to 4chan
>make a thread about the same topic complainging about how the old got deleted
>this thread gets moved/deleted
>make this thread
You never learn, do you?
i'm not that guy, and i'm not le concern trool, you poor reddit idiot
i'll keep reposting this thread tho and there's nothing you and jannies can. do about it
>i'm not that guy
i copied and pasted it. are you mentally challenged?
>>"Ukrainians haven't been able to get through Russia's fortified positions really anywhere," the officer says.
>Ha, you can't do anything when i say i'm another anon. God, i'm so smart, better call him retarded.
Every fucking time.
>guys nooooo its not stillll meeeeee
>guys I copy pasted
then you are, for as much as we will ever give a fuck, the same guy.
It’s a legitimate criticism though. I have friends from here (israel) who also went to Ukraine to provide training and they say the same things. Very outdated organization and complete lack of mobility in the battlefield
don't bother arguing with shills and tourists
as someone who followed the low intensity conflict going on since 2014 up until 2021 both sides are complete garbage
there were a fair few videos from the frontlines on ukraine's side of the soldiers shittalking the absolute state of the military and the government to foreign documentarians but a mysteriously large portion of these vanished off places like youtube during march 2022
coverage of the russian side was far more limited when it came to material available in english (but russian independent coverage was relatively good, apparently, although due to certain reasons you had to read between the lines - I don't speak russian, so I can't attest to this personally)
both sides were completely fucked in terms of logistics, corruption, overall organisation and individual level morale between 2014-2021
but ukraine was in that state willfully, they actively refused to receive the full amount of help that was available and most people in command level positions were convinced there would never be a war so accepting help meant antagonising russia and looking weak overall
you can't fix fundamental levels of organisational retardation like that in 1 or 2 years
in one of those videos one of the soldiers said he believed the country had missed their chance, war would come and they would be as unready as 2014
which is pretty much what ended up happening
the only reason they didn't get completely fucked was because russians were making all the exact same mistakes, except on a larger scale and with a higher level of effective organisational retardation
>but ukraine was in that state willfully, they actively refused to receive the full amount of help that was available
are you fucking mental lmao, what help are you talking about, receiving even bunch of javelins was a whole fucking circus back then, what a dumb fucking shilling.
yes let's leave aside the huge corruption problem that plagues every former commie shithole including ukraine, let's also ignore that a full blown war with russia couldn't manage to end said corruption culture
It's just a translated article from Finnish state media you retard.
You already made this exact same thread and it was moved to 4chan.
you already made this post and got told to dilate
>spam same off topic thread on the same board
>get told to fuck off
>wtf must be samefag
You must be trans
You're brown and a twitter shill.
Have you tried not posting like a chud, NAFO gay?
I was being ironic.
Have you tried going back to your containment board with the other third world morons where you can cry about trannies and twitter all day long?
>redditard can't read
thread is staying, don't worry i'll make sure there'll be one as long as you don't go back
What is this retarded shill even trying to say? If you're paid they should at least teach you english.
i'm saying i'm enjoying your meltdown
too long, didn’t read lol
>In training, however, the officer has encountered a surprisingly tough problem: absorbing new lessons is very difficult in Ukraine.
>- If you start telling Ukrainians about another option, the Ukrainians take it as a criticism, and immediately start defending it. "The capacity to take criticism is really bad," the officer says.
>In this respect, Russia and Ukraine follow the same traditions.
>- It's a Soviet system where you just do what you're told," he says.
>The Ukrainian military interpreter used by the officer has indeed reiterated that the Finn should not be so blunt.
>The hierarchy of the organisation causes more problems. Lower-ranking officers are afraid to suggest changes to their superiors because it would be seen as a criticism.
>- Captains and majors tell me that it's a good idea, but their rank is not enough to take it forward," the officer laments.
>But change is coming. According to the Finnish officer, young Ukrainian officers and junior officers are finally warming up to the idea of reforming training. This will also give Finland a better chance to start training on Ukrainian soil.
>Another Finnish soldier in Ukraine does not want to be identified in public, so he will be called Erkki in this story. Yle also met him in Kiev at the end of January, and his identity is known to Yle.
>Erkki believes that Ukraine cannot continue to fight Russia with the same Soviet military doctrine as it has had up to now, because Russia has more soldiers in the longer term.
>- The Ukrainians are fighting a lot of trench warfare and have no concept of an offensive, Erkki says.
>According to Erkki, Ukraine's biggest problem is the lack of team leaders and team leader training, which leads to poor communication and confusion in combat situations.
>- The Ukrainians have no idea how to take cover and move under fire," says Erkki. For example, soldiers just advance straight ahead and don't aim properly.
>He says the fighting shows a lack of initiative and even the preparation is not effective.
>- When soldiers are in barracks, they just lie around when they should be training," says Erkki.
>The contrast with Erkki's own training during his military service is stark.
>According to the officer, the situation at the front looks really bad for Ukraine. The chances of a Ukrainian counterattack are slim.
>"Ukrainians haven't been able to get through Russia's fortified positions really anywhere," the officer says.
>- If the real picture was given to the public, then everyone would start to become skeptical. And the will to win would fade. But the truth should be understood, he continues.
tldr ukraine is winning because kherson was totally an amazing display of prowess and totally translates to other fronts that have nothing in common with it
Kharkiv was even more impressive than Kherson.
I had never seen so many Russian corpses since the convoys got BTFO in the first days.
>>"Ukrainians haven't been able to get through Russia's fortified positions really anywhere," the officer says.
deny this retards
Why? If Ukraine can win the war without having to get through fortified positions, that's even better for them.
sucks that all that's left are fortified position, i guess they can keep stalling for 6 more months till everybody will have to accept reality
>sucks that all that's left are fortified position
>ungodly angloid acronym
i hope that's all it takes
The reality every euros is gradually accepting is that Russia must be put down like a rabid dog.
i wish that were true but you live in a fantasy world
Hi, I am Mark Thompson from Maryland Oblast and this information is eye opened for me. This kind of games cannot be allowed to continue and I will contact my representation to halt all assistance to the Kiev regime.
The [US State] oblast always get me
Hello, i am John Johnson also from Maryland Oblast, i just contacted my representation and they said they dont take suggestions from transatlantic mobile phone numbers. Can you believe this? This is not democratic, we need to imminently start a civilian war in States of United America!
>His 4th thread on it today
>can't even read
the level of attention you expect from ukroretards
I've already read the article, and I've already explained how an anonymous, retired, self admitted detractor is not "irrefutable proof" of what's happening
Next you'll say the News published it, so that means they agree with it/also think its true.
Can you refute the argument he's making? No, you'll merely attack the character.
Easy way to refute the argument is most of the Ukrainian soldiers haven't been getting training in Ukraine but in NATO nations.
How is it that the Ukrainians getting trained in England, the United States, Poland, Germany, and other countries don't have this problem but only this one Finnish guy has that problem.
The closest answer is because he's attempting to train Territorial Defense Forces, he's trying to teach militia who's job is to sit in a trench and act as filler troops to launch attacks.
But anon, most Ukraine troops are still trained in Ukraine and not in NATO countries.
I haven't really heard anything at all about the overal state of training of the ukies, not really. I've mainly just heard that the russians are completely retarded.
I know they get trained for 5 weeks here in bongland but none of that would mitigate bad command at the higher level nor undo the slavshit honour culture inherted from the USSR.
Either way the article basically said that this situation is changing for the better, so as long as they don't fuckup and waste their soldiers in some dumb holy war for bakhmut once they get their bradleys up and running they could still make a counterattack.
From a messaging standpoint I can live with "train more ukranians" especially as training is really good value for money when it comes to results
Wasn't that word in Finnish articles literally caused by bad autotranslation by Russian shills?
my personal suHispanicion is its a fabricated event
Yeah fabricated by the biggest media org in Finland. Sure.
have you heard of chat gpt? its not an AI, but there is organized push trying to conflate with AI, same level of fabrication
It's just a literal translation by translation software of a Finnish word. You can go verify it on your own, type "lataa" into a translator of your choise.
>It's just a literal translation by translation software of a Finnish word.
caused by lazy colloquial use by the journalist, making it hard to translate without context
It's not lazy. It's added for flavor so the text is not as dry.
I mean this is the equivalent of the finnish BBC's official site
Doesn't matter, it's just some guy with an opinion. Instead of Twitter it's an state publication.
why doesn't it matter? Are you saying the man is lying?
An opinion of someone. As worthy as yours.
Are findlandians usually this arrogant?
I'm a bong, but my point is, as an opinion of a man actually training the ukie army, which includes also interviews with ukie soldiers who back up a lot of what he's saying, then it seems it's an opinion that matters.
You are trying to manipulate us to think poccnr stronk, Ukraine drools, but evidence has demonstrated Ukranians are better fighters than those subhuman pieces of shite you like so so much, fag.
No you stupid fucking moron, I am replying to a thread to point out that the guys opinion is worth something seeing as he's on the front line and is backed up by some of the other ukie soldiers. You're just sperging out for no reason, why must it be impossible for there to be any issues in the ukie military? Literally 10 years ago they were as corrupt as the russians, all of us expected them to get steam rollered, but clearly its going to take some time for their training to get up to nato standard
>le braindead team fanboyism
most eloquent ukromoron btw
The neutral play doesn't work. We know tour tricks.
unfortunately for you i support ukraine, just hate you dumb little shits that have made discussing the war objectively impossible for months
Honestly we should just let these morons die, the fucking retards. They're all the same Slav garbage anyway.
In which case why discuss anything?
Guess the guy was getting drunk on methanol or steaming himself in a sauna when izyum was retaken
>Guess the guy was getting drunk on methanol
we finns know about methanol, we have long, proud traditions of moonshine making
You're not allowed to post this here.
MODS DELETE THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY
Based on this photo of a poorly dressed bum off the street I'm not reading your post
This gay gets a potato every Time he reposts this bullshit.
>the officer downloads
Russian idioms in the translation. How surprising.
It's just a simple mistranslation by the software you retards.
It is of I, Office Downloads.
Well, duh. That's why Ukrainians are being trained in the west, and why these troops have had success, while the ones without western training are mostly used to plug holes or to hold the line.
Geniuine question. How did the ukrainians pull of the offensives last autumn if they can't do offensives?
Russians let them capture those points because they wouldn't be able to secure roads for supplies. This is also why they pulled from kherson
Kharkiv was due to a feint in Kherson. Kherson was because bridge destruction forced Russia to retreat. The offensive operations in Kherson themselves were disastrous, with the Russians racking up 10:1 K:D ratios, but they were used to take Kharkiv.
>due to a feint in Kherson
that wasn't supposed to be a feint, they were supposed to be two simultaneous operations, but happened what finn in op talks about.
Yeah fair point, I agree.
undermanned kharkiv and stranded kherson?
Never get into a fair fight.
Fucking Sun Tzu wrote a book about it.
in other words ukraune'n only hope is that russians are dying in high enough numbers in bakhmut that a kharkiv scenario becomes possible again. lets hope ukrainians are just pretending to be dying in massive numbers as well
push more western wunderwaffe into Ukraine
>doesn't even have a grasp of basic warfare knowledge regarding attacker versus defender loss dynamic
why are you even commenting
>the ratio is 3 to 1 because it just is ok? it's an immutable law of nature
don't pretend you have any knowledge of the situation that goes beyond reading articles and posts on 4chin
Effect of surprise, good strategy, and good intel. That is to say that the Russian positions were weak for a number of reasons and the ukies mamaged to amass enough troops for a succesful frontal assault.
It was a show of goodwill from Russia obviously, it couldn't be that OP is just concern trolling 🙂
Finland's last war was in the 40s. But okay, be arrogant and patronizing.
stop it you moron, you're supposed to say we need to send Ukraine more weapons
they're too retarded to see that
if you want to send every means possible for ukraine to wipe russia off the face of the planet you are a vatnig shill after all
Shocking news at 11 - army massively expanded with emergency volunteers and conscripts in under 1 year during a war, is struggling to achieve performance and motivation levels of a veteran all-volunteer peacetime unit in a wealthier country. And yes I know Finland has conscription, but don't pretend thats whats being compared to Ukrainian forces here.
Also Finns can be pretty bad at speaking politely in other languages.
He is literally comparing the ukr army to funnish conscripts
1 year in and the tiny Chechen army composed mostly of herdsmen and bandits were handing Russians their asses
autistic finn cannot fathom that Ukrainian conscripts weren't trained properly and their veterans were used to a totally different, low-intensity war
>conscripts werent trained properly for 30 years
yes maybe longer
>Ukrainian cum guzzler cannot fathom that Ukrainians suck at tactics almost as badly as Russians
that's what I said you benchod bastard. their training was pretty much useless for decades. that PrepHole mongols think it is a novel statement shows its ignorance. they have decades of incompetence and even some NATO trained units won't fix it fast enough
Bloddy fuck you basterd bitch, I didn't know we were in agreeings
>autistic finn cannot fathom that Ukrainian conscripts weren't trained properly
That is literally what he is trying to address here. He is calling for more Finnish trainers to go to work in ukraine.
sounds like a vatnig shill
>Ukrainian conscripts are poorly trained
>Bring them to Finland to help train them to kill Russians better!
Yeah what a supporter of Russia. You're so fucking retarded I'm surprised you were even sentient enough to pass the captcha.
i was being sarcastic, but after months of being called vatnig for supporting the same total russian annihilation i fully endorse your sentiment
It's finnish fucking state media you retards
Sounds like a demoralization campaign. Don't fall for it Ukies! You don't need some Finnish supremacist telling you what to do.
Based thread,fuck them jannies,i will keep bumping just to see chud shills seethe.
what the hell is wrong with americans
>Ukrainian troops are incapable of fast-paced mobile warfare
They took a thousand miles of territory with 12 tanks, 20 humvees and some APCs
whoops, meant square*-miles
Didn't you already post this twice and get deleted?
>this thread again
about to get moved to 4chan again
don't worry i'll make one again and again, you'll have to hear the music or retreat back to /uhg//reddit
>Russians are learning
Da, officer downloads
correct translation would've been something like 'lays down the argument'
even your boyfriend and notorious vatnig perun says so
ukraine can has navy nao
Your impotent rage is delicious. Your shitty video can't even prove it's a kill
>Finland strong! Our training best!
>What? No, we haven't fought a proper war for decades, why do you ask?
Almost like there is a war going on and you've got to give people stuff to make sure there isn't a breakthrough somewhere. What does he want? 100,000 taken out of Ukraine and trained for 5 years and then sent back? Lol. UK has done tens of thousands. I assumed the logic was
>We train 30,000 guys, they go back and train some more
But according to this guy, that doesn't happen. It is also really dumb to say that shit wouldn't be the same if Finland was fighting Russia. We have no idea how Finnish forces would do. You can't just go
>We'd be amazing and never do anything stupid!
Because you aren't fighting.
are you ukrainian?
No,thats not what he says,what he says is that Ukraine has the same soviet boomer mentality as Russia and refuses to update its mobik training,this is why both sides are fighting like retards in trenches instead of trying to manouvre and even in simple assualts all they can do is "rush B cyka" from the front,they dont even do basic flanking.
Also SOf training from the west would be alright if this was some insurgency in a sand shithole not a full blown arty war on steppes of europe.
What you need is good training and doctrine to fit hundreds of thousands of men not a 10-20k well trained troops.
This facts get downplayed and outright ignored by both Ukraine and their western suppoerters.
Also it has been 1 year and neither side seems to get better at fighting only worse,say alot about slavic warfare.
You just making up some schizo ramblings now, dude.
Learn english gay.
How is anything there "schizo ramblings". It's an entirely comprehensible and well articulated point. Just admit you're butthurt at the truth.
My point is that the war has started. You don't have time or the ability to train hundreds of thousands of troops to the level you need. Both sides don't have that ability. So him going
>duh they're dumb boomers hehe xD
Is stupid because what is Ukraine suppose to do? Again, are they to take out hundreds of thousands of men off the front and start a 5 year training program? Ukraine is fighting for its existence. It doesn't have time to do that. So they are - sadly - resorting to what they know. There is no way this can be improved because there just isn't enough spare manpower to train in suitable numbers for a suitable amount of time. It should have started last year in March (well it did but the UK only do like 3,000 a month). My point is, again, that the training cannot come NOW because there is a war on. So it is drips and drabs, what they can spare. It isn't the amounts needed. But pointing this out doesn't fix the situation. It's not some magical unknown thing that only this Finnish guy has spotted. Plenty of people have pointed it out for months. But the same reply has been given - there isn't the 500,000 guys freely available to be sent to Western countries to be trained.
What? If you know how to train people, you can train people at your own facilities in Ukraine. How is this a strange thing to do
>b-b-but they aren't as good
So? It'd still be better than nothing.
>Is stupid because what is Ukraine suppose to do?
He said what they should do. Drop the attitude and try to learn from people who know a bit more than you. And train instead of lying around when you're in barracks.
i indirectly know some of the retarded gopniks being sent to the front and it's a success they're only loafing around rather. than getting shitfaced
The finnish guy isn't requesting that they take 500,000 guys off the front for European training courses, you're just strawmaning at this point. Ukrainians could easily take 10,000 infantry (at a time) spread across the entire front into their reserves, send them somewhere like the Baltics or Finland, train them for combat in environments similar to Ukraine, and then ship them back to the front to see if those men have improved at all. It's not like soldiers sit in their trenches 24/7, 365. Men get cycled to and from the front for morale purposes, so in the cycling period just send more rear echelon troops out of Ukraine to sharpen their skills. Videos of Ukrainians all dismounting from their vehicles in front of ATGM and/or machine guns aren't just Vatnik propaganda, a lot of these poor fuckers are seriously just that clueless and it would be a lot more beneficial to be fighting an incompetant enemy with competant soldiers.
You fucking retard, what fucking five years? Do you want to give every soldier a fucking masters degree? How are you this retarded? Six months is what it takes to make an ordinary civilian who has never seen a gun into an effective soldier. For an already trained, if badly, soldier it will take much less.
You rotate the troops from the front to the rear and give them more training while they are in the rear. It's not fucking rocket science.
Are you retarded? Do you think Ukraine is somehow deploying its entire manpower in the front? How fucking stupid are you?
They could send 100k of men to be trained in baltics and scandinavia for 3-6 months without anything being impacted.
>>We train 30,000 guys, they go back and train some more
what, are they supposed to pack training facilities in their pockets and bring it with them home?
Guys this thread is giving me really bad anxiety and is making my dysmorphia flare up, can you please delete it MOOOOODS
the west knows this but doesn't want it to spread widely in the media because it will hurt morale/support for ukraine. at the end of the day slavs will be slavs.
hahahaha holy shit no wonder jannies have to ban every anti-ukraine post
>WAH, WAH, WAH
>Ukrainian victory in North was due to luck
>and in Kharkiv was due to luck
>and in Kharkiv again was due to luck
>and in Kherson was due to luck
I don't know how good of a soldier this guy is but he's absolute drooling moron if he think all victories were "stumbled into" due to some luck and not works of battlefield shaping and large front planning six months into the future
I feel like Officer Download might habe some meme potential.
This is the same shitskin reposting his retarded concern troll and responding to everything with "you have a 00 iq." have a nice day you fucking loser.
>Post a competent, non-sodomized Russian combatant that isn't begging the Kremlin for supplies and ammo via Twitter videos.
It's finnish state media IT IS PRO UKRAINE YOU FUCKING IMBECIL
It is talking of ways of most efficiently helping the ukrainian war success.
>It's finnish state media
>It's the Finnish state media
he's losing it, the piling evidence that ukrainians aren't marvel style superheroes but typical eastern slavs not much different from russians is shattering his psyche
It's one cherry picked interview out of three, presented in a way to perpetuate the idea that Kharkiv, Kherson and Lyman were all lucky coincidinces, "YOU FUCKING IMBECILE."
This retarded thread has already been removed twice now. Go pound sand you idiot.
Both of those were not because of the quality of the Ukrainian military but rather due to Russian incompetence and the Ukie command playing their cards right. The whole message of the post is that the Ukie command needs better cards to decisively win this game because the Russians are pulling from a much deeper deck.
>Negative progress (que Bakhmut in the last 7 months).
oh no fella, tell the discord to use less text next time
>Multiple people used the same image five times over the span of an entire month.
>I consider this to be a win somehow.
You are still the embodiment of that image. Projecting your own use of discord for PrepHole gayops doesn't change that.
how about the one that was on the 4chan sticky you projecting brownoid
Here is an updated version.
how the fuck do you now know on which side the Chuds are
the seethe is palpable, you can leave anytime. your argument that ukraine is an offensive powerhouse that been making negative progress for 5 months because of mud is not new to anyone
Have you reported the thread, NAFO pedo? Have you called in the mods yet or are you still dilating?
i'm hoping for your sake you're a false flagging poltard
It's the Finnish state media and it's not the first time they have story criticizing the level of skill Ukrainian fighters, the earlier story is linked there as well.
Yle has been pretty consistent on it's anti-russian messaging. They have been calling the whole operation russia's invasion from day one. Lot of western media calls it just war or 'ukraine war' which is imo weak and gives room for people who call themselves anti-war. So when they let something like this 'slip' it is because they believe it's true. Maybe they are being too honest or harsh but I believe what the guy telling is something that he saw, not made up. He could be generalizing but make it what you will.
His is pretty much worthless because we all already knew that Western training is required and that Soviet school need to be teared down. Difference is that Ukraine sent recruits to actually good military(UK) to train them and not to fucking Finland
What does fucking UK know? Sitting on their safe little island behind the whole of Europe with a small professional army. They know nothing of total war where the whole society has to be mobilized for defence whereas Finland has been preparing for that ever since WW2 ended.
>They know nothing of total war
Finland never went on any offensive in its existence, what do they know about them? Case the point Fin in OP despite all his training doesn't understand how victories in Ukraine were achieved so he attributes them all to luck
holy shit americans are retarded, even when you're kinda right about something, you manage to mess it up
How can you be this historically illiterate? During the early stages of Barbarossa Finland was a big part of the Northern advance achieving similar successes as the Germans but with next to no tanks, just infantry.
>How can you be this historically illiterate?
its a paid shill, its all fabricated drama theater
The movie Uknown Solider about this offensive and eventual retreat is the best depiction of WW2 combat ever. Great movie.
>what is continuation war
Another war that Finland lost?
What was Britain, a nation which apparently knows nothing about total war, doing when the Finns were losing the continuation war?
Asking Indians and Australians to die for them while they cowered on their gay island.
A lot of the trainers in the UK were Finnish, the Brits were too busy kneeling for morons.
>Difference is that Ukraine sent recruits to actually good military(UK) to train them and not to fucking Finland
I don't care who trains them, as long as they stop clumping up and getting the whole platoon blown away by a single shell. But any criticism of the Ukrainian troops now means you're a vatmoron I guess, the original Finnish article was also full of
>hurr what do you know about war you weren't there!!!
>start thread to shit around about Ukraine
>get called out
>exaggerate cry about how “no discussion is allowed”
It’s all so tiresome
I don't want the Ukrainians to die pointlessly, which they're doing by trying to arty duel Russia to death. They need training in mobile warfare and the equipment to do it.
>Something bad happening to Russia (dying pointlessly in Bakhmut)
>You post that it is happening to ukraine instead
Some thing doing in this thread
. Really makes ya wonder.
Both sides are dying pointlessly in that city, the Ukrainians less so since it's their soil. Just saying the number of countries who have bested Russia in attrition warfare is kinda short. Ukraine shouldn't fight on their terms but they do need more non-slavshit vehicles to accomplish a breakthrough
are you suggesting you can maneuver in rasputitsa?
what do Finns do in rasputitsa?
No, but I'm concerned that there might not be a plan in place for when the muddy season ends. It already has devolved into trench warfare on multiple fronts.
Jfc imagine thinking I like Russians, I think those parasites should hang by the balls.
Everybody knows Ukraine could use more weapons, no need for your concern troll page to tick all the boxes on vatnik cope bingo then you playing the victim.
>muh state media
Lmao, the state media is just blowing off our military. This is how the article ends:
>All three Finns agree on one thing: Finnish military training is the best in the world and that is why it should now be offered to Ukraine as well.
As if to calm down the boomers that don't you worry, everything is under control. We haven't been in a war since 1945 but we know how to win wars, just like in 1945!
Fuck off with your Finnish exceptionalism.
And now it's used by submorons as propaganda tool to convince retards.
You literally just yell at anything that is vaguely out of your echo chamber, it's actaully really gutting to realise PrepHole is just becoming inverted 4chan
I'm probably not the only one who is sick and tired of Finnish fucking conscripts larping as the best soldiers of the world because they lost some conflict over 80 years ago. This board is not your echo chamber so deal with it.
thanks for pointlessly wanking off about finns.
The point is, it's a useful take from someone whos opinion clearly matters
>The point is, it's a useful take from someone whos opinion clearly matter
Ukrainians don't seem to think their opinion matters. Why do you think they should suddenly start taking advice from some volunteer military instructors who came to their country uninvited? Also, one of the guys interviewed in the article (Kenneth Grägg) has been exposed as a conman, and this is not even mentioned in the article. I mean goddamn, Yle even made an article about him and his background in the beginning of the war, but now it seems they've conveniently forgotten all about his past and portray him as a proper military expert:
>Lännen Media said in its story that Grägg would be a reserve sergeant. The Defense Forces have not agreed to tell STT about Grägg's military rank, but Grägg himself says that he does not have that kind of military rank in his own opinion.
>- As far as I know, there isn't. My time in the army was more like a slacker, he says in the phone call.
>Grägg says that the lesson got to him despite slacking off. However, he considers the sergeant's military rank mentioned by Lännen Media to be a factual error by the media. Lännen Media reports that it was Grägg himself who told the journalist his military rank.
>It is still partly unclear whether Grägg trains soldiers in Ukraine. In the report of the PBS NewsHour program, he can be seen there in military clothes during the exercises, but according to STT's eyewitness observation, he did not participate in any practical exercise activities at that time. He is also seen in military clothes in AFP photos.
>Instead, Grägg tells on the phone the clearly baseless information that he would have moved across the Polish border to Ukraine with the PBS group at the end of February. Based on STT's reports, this did not happen.
>Instead, Grägg tells on the phone the clearly baseless information that he would have moved across the Polish border to Ukraine with the PBS group at the end of February. Based on STT's reports, this did not happen.
Finnish military instructors, everyone :D:DD
>all Finnish instructors are the same guy
You know that's the Finnish instructor that is saying everything is going swimmingly and the Ukrainians are a first class fighting force, right?
He basically has the same opinion as you, lol. BTW kys gay.
this guy is 1,7 million € in ulosotto debt, surely his opinions are not for sale. Masked cuck desantti vitun ryssä
yeah if finland was so good they would've taken St Petersberg during operation barbarossa
It’s just finnish autism like the guy told the story about the american headshotting POWs
have a nice day you fucking retard.
An army that is ten times the size even if it is twice as incompetent will always win the war.
Why does Finland cause so much seething among Orcs?
Probably because they have such a hard time trying to seep their words into the mouths of the people that live there.
Sir can you uh, down my loads?
What he's saying is absolutely fucking true though and parallels my own experiences and takeaways from training them so far.
They are stuck in a very rigid mentality of simply pushing forwards, they don't maneuver, they don't bother with anything but brute force for the most part. Slowly but surely they are getting out of that mindset, but anyone saying otherwise is either a brainless retard who gobbles up what they choose to believe as they see fit, or shills acting in bad faith.
completely agreed, brother. I am formed US marine who fight in ukraine against rossia, ukraines dont have much chances to win, they must sue for peace soon
I thoroughly believe Ukraine will win, but to blindly believe that the UAF doesn't have their own problems with training and doctrine isn't just ignorant, it's dangerous, and will get people unnecessarily killed. Being able to take criticism about your own military is absolutely key to success.
Swear to God these guys are false flaggers and they want Ukes to keep dying rather than learn.
some but not all, some are actual ukies hellbent in proving the officer's assessment correct
His assessment is that everyone needs to train in forest fighting on the battlefield that's giant fucking fields. He should take his own criticism
That's not what he's saying you illiterate retard
>That's not what he's saying you illiterate retard
>No one else has the same expertise in the forest and in the terrain as Finland. That's what we should be training here
So what the fuck did he meant by that?
some of the front is forested
Probably best to avoid that, it's too dangerous. Much better to sit in a field.
I remember when Poland was with hit with the S300 missile, and Ukraine wouldn't even own up to it after NATO already said they forgive
>simply pushing forwards, they don't maneuver, they don't bother with anything but brute force for the most part.
that's why any talk of "feints", "tactical retreats" or "cauldrons" are all wishful thinking, slav minds can't grasp those concepts
Who do you even talking about?
Who is "them", what rank, what role, what position, what prior training even. What the hell you guys even talk about, what "feints" and "maneuvers", are we even talking about squad level tactics or operational level here?
You just post some word salad of general bullshit without any decent point whatsoever. And then some shitposting retards just run in start baiting even more with "yeah muh slavs" "muh hohols dumb yeah".
All those threads about "muh hohil soviet training le bad" are shit not because it's all lies and soviet training doesn't sucks, they are shit because you mouthbreathers provide zero fucking context and as much specific arguments, all you do is just spew some abstract bullshit, and when instead of context and you provide only bullshit, it creates an impression that you know absolutely fucking nothing what the fuck are talking about, and so people react to such posts accordingly.
shut up stupid hohol
Most eloquent and logical vatnik.
>Who do you even talking about?
>Who is "them", what rank, what role, what position, what prior training even. What the hell you guys even talk about, what "feints" and "maneuvers", are we even talking about squad level tactics or operational level here?
Battalion commander of a mechanized battalion, with the battalion having mixed amounts for training. Some with frontline combat experience, some fresh out of basic training.
Me in particular? I'm talking from observing a battalion level exercise.
They had to assault through a breach consisting of antitank ditches and a notional minefield, with the OPFOR consisting of a platoon of tanks and a mechanized infantry company.
They absolutely got shit on. They didn't utilize indirect fires, they didn't aggressively press the attack into and through the breach, and once they made it across the breach they milled about until they got picked off by tanks and dismounted AT squads.
They NEED more training, and bad.
source for bradley image?
my name is Adam Novakov from Czeskaja republika and I supported ukraine a lot but i want peace??? why kill our brothers in russia??? i want peace not this ugly war we just kill
What relevance is this? The Finn is saying we need to focus on increasing the amount of training so the Ukrainians can get better at killing Russians.
You know the Brits aren't training Ukes to carry out offensive operations, right? It's just basic shit like patrolling and first aid.
Ukraine has been constructing new brigades for offensive maneuvers on NATO training
>patrolling and first aid
We've seen videos from British training camps, can you remind me what part of first aid is simulating helicopter attack on tanks?
How many Ukrainians do you think were doing helicopter training? The vast majority are civvies who've never even touched a gun before. 99% are getting taught the absolute basics. Their SF might get taught offensive tactics but the vast majority get taught how to maintain a gun, apply a tourniquet, and sit in a trench
The training camps might have been British but those trainers were probably Finns. Brits generally aren't good enough soldiers to be worth listening to, for the most part. Finns are probably the best soldiers in the world.
I love how this dude with no official capacity, who is given anonymity, spews out the talking points of fuckwits we have been dealing with for a year, and because he has Finnish branding we are supposed to forget all the footage we have seen of guerilla tactics used by Ukrainians, all the footage we have seen of them flanking and encircling, all the actual fighting that took place in Kharkiv and Kherson. All the recce involved in both those fronts. "Russia is learning but Ukrainians aren't"?
How does this dude think this statement goes down when shit like Vuhledar is still playing out?
>Finnish media talks to Finnish man it's a conspiracy
>They gave him anonymity this is unheard of and deeply suHispanicious
>no it's NOT because he says things I don't want to hear
Bruh however you want to spin it just by looking at Bakhmut its pretty fucking clear that both sides of this war are slavs who cant comprehend defence in depth and manouver warfare.
Fucking passchendaele mud trenches should not happen in modern warfare, ever.
Another 4chanleftypol/ gayops?
Yeah same buzzwords same arguments
This whole war reminds me of this, on both sides:
>over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level
Slavs are basically arabs. Same dumb honour system, same dumb results
>Training makes a soldier, the officer downloads.
>the officer downloads
Huutista vittu aina tälle samalle virheelle 😀 ebinland language speakings very hard suka blyat
its Google translate, the article is in Finnish
NATO can’t download Finlandiskaja oblast slava pokkia davai t. Pekkaskaja Pekkanoff from Imatra oblast
okay schizo, but it's still an article in finnish that the OP ran through Google Translate; I just had to do the same thing to read it
Ok ryssä, you still make the same mistake every single time. We don’t throw people from windows, you don’t have to cover your face in here
no literally please can you just click the link in the OP you utter gay reddit tourist and then verify for yourself that the article is not written in English so you can stop spamming about Google translate's choice of words
Only a ryssä covers his face in Finland. Every single time there are protesters that cover their face it’s a ryssä protest. Because you look like a ryssä and you can’t help it. I don’t give a single fuck what communist YLE says or does, that man is a ryssä
are you implying yle's website got hacked and nobody cared to remove the article after?
The question remains though, how many loads can a ryssä down?
Se on vittu "lataa" niin tottakai se on download vitun äyssi
I don't even know where this ukraine is magically invincible meme came from
after the first successes in late august early september that turn the narrative from 'a proud people resisting a much stronger opponent' to 'le invincible superheroes of democracy destroying the lowly retarded orcs of tyranny'
Hello I am Officer Spurdo Download from Perkele oblast. Hohols are stupid and ugly pig. That is a NATO fact. Goyda.
Man, I don't know why pointing out Ukrainians are really poorly trained creates so much butthurt. Just accept it and ask for training, just like how you ask for more materiel. Instead you guys go into an absolutely schizo melt down every time it's pointed out how badly trained everybody is. Zelensky could literally make a statement about how Ukraine needs training than it needs equipment tomorrow, and get enough publicity to get something done on that front. Meanwhile Britain is supposedly training ten thousand men (have they returned yet?). Surely the other countries, especially the EU ones, can take in some men as well. But anyway, stop being so butthurt about it, it's really quite pathetic.
Yeah like.... the Ukies are basically diet Russians, it's going to take a long time before they are up to speed and free of the residue of the russian culture and USSR way of doing shit
Why are you so salty that russia is losing?
At this point I'm convicted it's trolls false flagging with the whole "nu uh you can't criticize Ukraine at all, they are perfect in all regards and if you say otherwise you support Russia!"
Blaming everything on false flags is the easy way out. They clearly are not though, they put in effort into proving Ukraine are trained gods, like in that thread with the arab-tier fight a few days ago. I get it, admitting that you're under-trained clowns hurts a lot more than saying that you're under-equipped, but just live with it man. Surely it's more beneficial to admit it and start an impetus for better training than flinging shit everywhere every time it's pointed out.
shouldn't they have admitted that before losing most of their trained fighters?
Very organic. Well done I am now very concerned and demoralized.. 50 rubles
>I don't know why
You know very well.
It is because you blatantly concern trolling.
You fucking spastics need to just google translate the article like normal people and leave with "hmm, we should probably be doing more to train the ukies" rather than sperging out that everyone with a vaguely different PoV is a shill or a troll
>I will walk into a crowd of people with a "I hate N_____s" sign
>Why are they mad at me? I meant Naggers. I hate Naggers! I love morons!
>Why are you mad at me?
How do you think concern trolling works in this instance? Run me through the mechanics of it. Tell me how merely having this discussion impacts the combat effectiveness of the AFU.
Eeeh pussya stronk guys cuz pussya stronk eh eh?
how long would russia need for succesful security operation finlandis? 2 weeks.
Allegedly this guy isn't even an officer, but a convicted conman who goes by "Kenneth Gregg". Unverified, but the guy was in Ukraine last year, lying about his past and presumably scamming Ukrainians.
I'd take the whole interview with a ton of salt.
so just listen to all the other videos from people who are / were there saying it is an absolute shit show?
False. Kenneth Gregg was blowing smoke up the Uke's arses, saying they'll have pushed out the Russians in two more weeks. The doomer officer is anonymous.
>Finnish military training would suit the Ukrainians very well.
>The Finnish army currently has the best training in the world against Russia
What is it they say about the odds of plans surviving the first contact with the enemy? I mean I'm ready to believe it. I only require some basic proofs.
Where can I review the record of Finland putting its military theory into practice and defeating actual real life forces of the Russian Federation?
>well in 1939-
It's 2023. I don't care how Finland fared against Russia during the Third Punic War. It's a different era and a different world.
>It's a different era and a different world.
Same aplies to Russia.
He has the point. Finnish forest tactics and capabilities created for these tactics were fascinated. There is excellent article published in Russia about it but it's in Russian.
And here is the thing these forest tactics were created purely theoretical and using exercise, not battle proven before 1939 at all. Soviets tried to copy Finnish flanking maneuvers in 1939 and immediately fell flat on the face because they had no training, procedures and equipment for that. Point here Finnish created system first in theory then successfully put into practice from the first try. There is good possibility they can do it again on the new level of technology.
Finland is one of the least corrupt and most competent countries in the world. They have also been under the Russian existential threat ever since WW2. How the fuck would they NOT be the ones that know the best how to fight Russians?
Hey, the finnish gay is back, what's up retard?
Funny how this is discussed on Reddit and the Redditors there are less butthurt than the Redditors here.
This board doesn't sound very Reddit then if Redditors themselves don't act like Redditors here Reddit
he's not wrong, they're an ex commie shithole
shill post or not, how is arguing for more modern training even an argument?
Because directly spamming the RT.com article about slandering the AFU would be deleted, so they make poison bait by pretending to be a concerned pro Ukraine westerner.
are you ukrainian or retarded?
wanting to discuss the war objectively rather than cheerleading automatically disqualifies you from being pro ukraine then?
It's a pro Ukraine Finnish state media article you fucking retard.
It's not. Nobody arguing in good faith disagrees with that basic assessment. But this article is couched in so many "but"s and "except"s and has already been cooped by the sort of politically-poisomed retards that will argue until they're blue in the face that this is PROOF Ukraine will lose that fence-sitting and being objective is impossible. The only answer is to just not reply to those posts and focus on the topic, which no one here is capable of doing. So the thread becomes shit.
OP being a massive gay who doubles down on "MUH NAFO chud MODS SUPPRESSING THE TRUTH I WILL CONTINUE SPAMMING" doesn't help perception. It just reeks of "I will adjust the thread until this obviously politically-motivated thread is allowed."
I posted in the second thread earlier today. Mods can see post history. The OP who posted the first two threads had very obvious leanings and I'm almost certain his post history would back up that claim. This thread is probably only still alive because mods are willing to give this "new" OP the benefit of the doubt. The obvious 4chan transplants screaming about trannies and HATO are the ones who'll get this thread deleted, almost certainly, because they are retards who claim objectivity and then immediately become violently argumentative unless you repeat their talking points (like Russians in general).
>being objective is impossible
>says the cheerleader who won't accept any critical comments on ukraine
>NAFO chud MODS
things i never said despite morons like you making it really tempting
>obviously politically-motivated thread
it's only obvious to you because you are incapable of having an objective conversation about the war as you are deeply involved in fanboyism
>still insisting i'm the other guy because ecopy-pasting is just unfeasible
yeah fuck off dipshit
Ukrainians don't even have Sakijarven Polka.
we're in reverse-reverse-reverse ironic shitposting now
How you do fellow Ukraine supporters? As much as I support Ukrainians right to defend theselves, can't we all agree they are dumb, smelly, stupid, retarded soldiers that are no match for glorious pozsyan army?
>retards acting surprised that Ukraine has deeply ingrained soviet structures in its military
I told you morons months ago that I don't respect a single ukrainian general or "military" expert because anybody at that level is Russian levels of retarded.
Fresh faces haven't replaced them yet, they're all from the generation of gay rape.
>Ukraine is the same as the invaders because both were Soviet in history, please stop supporting Ukraine’s fight to free itself
Both sides are subhuman apes and you should be glad they're dying in enormous numbers.
I didn't say that, nice try though, you obsessed retard.
And yes, it was basically a russian client state until 2014, when do you think their generals started their careers?
I wouldn't count on most of those being okay. You don't unfuck the culture of your military in a few years.
>please stop supporting Ukraine’s fight to free itself
highest level of discourse from the fanboys
The Four Star Generals are okay, some of the officers that came up through the ranks are okay, the NCOs are okay, the SF are okay, some of the air men are okay. The arty/rocket/drone guys are okay (at their regular roles, they suck at being infantry),
Everyone else is dog shit, and most of the volunteers suck at infantry. I've see enough videos of this war to figure that out.
is UAF infantry just riflemen or do they have specialists?
National guard has specialists
I fucking hate Hybrid warfare, boys.
Mods, please delete Gerasimov. PrepHole isn't going to be okay until you do.
>the officer dowloads
>Finnish officer downloads
Sisters....I am demoralized......
The zizterz are better than us and the world knows it
it's just a google translate of a finnish colloquialism, you'd maybe translate it as "unloads" or something like that to be closer to idiomatic english
the amount of schizos with the whole
>Hah caught you Google Translate, you Russian shill!
leaves me worried for the collective IQ of this board since the great influx
>Ukrainian troops are incapable of fast-paced mobile warfare.
Take it back, NOW. The Ukies are credited for the longest sustained deep battle campaign ever recorded in the 21st century, which could have ultimately led to the collapse of the entire dobabwean rebellion if not for the direct intervention from Russia.
Oh wow, they drove their armour into some areas held by civilians with light weapons. Congratulations!
why did they stop?
>anonymous guy wearing a russian gorka
yeah i believe everything he says
The OP translation is accurate, but he left out some of the praise for Ukraine and only translated the critical comments.
TL;DR The officer is correct, but Ukies are beginning to learn whereas Russia's situation keeps getting worse
>In Kiev, Yle also met two Finnish soldiers who had participated in the fighting and asked them to assess the skills of the Ukrainian troops. One of them has a rather optimistic view, but the other thinks that the Finnish officer's criticism is right on the mark.
>Kenneth Grägg says he is working with three Ukrainian battalions on the eastern front, including on training.
>In Grägg's view, the criticism of the Ukrainian officers' military skills is partly justified. Last year, according to Grägg, reserve lieutenants who had attended university were recruited with such poor training that even the recruits knew more.
>"It went down the drain", says Grägg, but he says the situation is much brighter now.
>Grägg also thinks the chain of command has become more flexible. In Ukraine, rank-and-file soldiers are now given more decision-making power in combat situations, and the training of non-commissioned officers has improved.
>In Grägg's view, Ukraine's recent losses are mainly due to the fact that there are so many Russian soldiers as a result of the mobilisation. This was seen, for example, in January when Russia took the town of Soledar.
>"We didn't have enough artillery and the Russians came through en masse," says Grägg.
>However, Grägg says that in the future, Russian mobilisation will not work as well because Russia is running out of weapons.
>"They can put a million men on the front line by force, but what do they give them? An axe?" Grägg asks.
>In Grägg's view, Western arms aid to Ukraine is changing the balance of power. If Ukraine receives tanks, howitzers and F-16 fighters from the West, Grägg predicts that the war will end in Ukrainian victory by Midsummer.
this gragg character has been dubbed a scammer by the local detachment of nafo but only because they thought he was the one being pessimistic.
but since he's a fella fanboy he's no longer a scammer
>We have fought russia in two overs and our doctrine is 100 years old dedicated to repelling a Russian invasion
Yeah but Finland lost both of those wars, one of which with Germany on their side. I don't blame Ukraine for being hesitant to train their soldiers in Finnish doctrine. They don't have a history of fighting Russia, they have a history of losing to Russia.
>lose 10% of territory
>lose your whole empire
Oh no, not the negligible Russian diaspora and me not knowing a word of Russian to this day. Woe is me.
>live life in constant fear and vigilance against Russian aggression
>politically neutered by powerful Russian state
>make permanent territorial concessions to Russia
An ideal model for Ukraine to emulate.
Finlandization is the biggest cope.
>have loyal vassal
>push for annexation and assimilation
>lose loyal vassal
>but they were forced to account for us in their exterior policy for decades to come and we carved small chunks of their country, so we won
>no, shut up, context doesn't exist
and it's working great, they're losing more than finland did despite having several times the population and despite having nato supply them and despite russia being a shadow of its former self
>They're losing more than finland did despite having several times the population.
That is an interview with a Russian, innit? I recognize that room. A specnaz guy was fellated in that room for an hour in Russian. I've seen a translation of it.
>bring in a Pro-Russian Finn to Russia
>HE PROVIDES COPE FOR RUSSIANS
PS Oops, sorry, no. The room doesn't line up after all.
put an end to your "life"
>anonymous high-ranking officer
Hello. I have not read this thread but I am Finnish. One of those interviewed is Kenneth Grägg, who is a known con-man. In short, the chances are he is using this to make some money some how. Not saying it is fake or wrong, but if Grägg is involved then it is incredibly suHispanicious.
Grägg is the one praising the ukies..
Yes because you don't make money by being totally negative.
>They have [positive] now if I got more money...
>Well if only we had...
>Now if we got...
>They are a diamond in the rough if we got...
>Now if you give...
Etc. Con-men are never defeatist. They never go
>It is totally hopeless
Because where does the money come from? The guy giving you money backs out. But if you go
>Now if you give me some money we can fix the problems, it is not all bad!
yeah totally, it's not like ukraine's shortcoming are evident on the field for anyone watching
The other guys points are more relevant than Grägg's, retard.
google sarcasm, droid
That article gave me another reason to believe, or rather continue my long standing conviction that YLE doesn't deserve a single cent of taxpayer money
the (other?) finnish guy who filmed the fight in kharkiv where his buddy got wounded also said both sides are essentially russians as far as the organization goes
they aren't the only volunteers i've heard complaints from about the tactics and corruption of the afu
The official translation
In order to steamroll dug in army you need to have air superiority to suppress enemy artillery and cover armored assaults from enemy air attacks. Training is crucial, but you also need the right tools, which Ukraine currently does not have.