Finland has quietly filled its wartime stockpiles and is activating some of the so-called “production reservation agreements” which means that companies produce at the armed forces’ request what is needed for logistics - basically wartime economy light
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1751595586803949608.html
Finland is already producing 5 times more heavy artillery munitions than pre-2022 but the capacity isn’t at max yet
Beyond the domestic arrangements, Finland is working on at least doubling its ammunition production capacity, which can make it one of the largest producers in Europe. The aim is twofold: to secure own stockpiles and to maintain capacity to support Ukraine for years to come
How can one country be that based?
genuine autism, thats how
Based kind of autism.
https://www.tbsnews.net/world/countries-still-owing-reparations-after-two-world-wars-412854
>Out of all the countries that were required to pay reparations from the second world war, Finland is the only one known to have paid its bill in full when it sent $300 million to the Soviet Union in 1952.
Soviet union didnt ask for money, if soviets had asked for silver/gold/money finland wouldve been utterly fricked.
Instead, they asked for material and produced goods from the industry.
>Finland is the only one known to have paid its bill in full
Was the based part referred.
Multiple generations actively hating Russians and being next door to them.
fugging gommunists :DDDDDD
why hate tho? soviets left fins alone, they could have just swallowed them into soviet union like rest of copebelt.
>we totally could, just didnt want to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Soviet_Treaty_of_1948
Finland really doesn't have single reason to be butthurt about soviets or modern russia, they did nothing to them.
Don't you have any self esteem, pidoras? Weren't you threatening just a year ago before they joined HATO?
You're the human equivalent of an adult diaper.
I'm from Croatia anon so I couldn't care less, I just think fins got it way too easy during cold war since soviets went super soft on them idk why they've deserved such treatment and they're still super butthurt who knows about what. really strange behavior.
Sure you are, you vatnik fricking puke.
see you over summer polack
Can't wait for your drone video debut, you sack of diarrhea.
you polacks are next in line after ukros get depleted so it'll be me making funny comments...
Poland could unironically solo Russia, but luckily they won't need to, since your glorious leader is actually stupid enough to attack NATO
You are an actual Black person. Your soul is black, you need to do something about that. I live in the South around black people, thier souls are Whiter than yours.
I'm white, pale and ashy as snow my man. I have to take vit D supplements everyday homie.
1. Polish tourists kurwa - like braindead people that will take a swim to next island 20 miles away or try climbing a mountain in flipflops with no water and then cry for heli rescue.
2. Warsaw pact - older generation still remember the constant fear of east european hordes attacking.
You have the soul of a Black person. Your White skin hides your shit soul. You do not understand the simplest of things like a fricking Black person.
>2. Warsaw pact - older generation still remember the constant fear of east european hordes attacking.
Ah yes, everyone knows Poland controlled the Warsaw pact.
Bloody hell, what kind of moron are you?
it was not called moscow pact but warsaw pact for a reason polaks being the most sincere bootlicker be it with soviets back in the day or burgers now.
also we fricking hate east euros in general and think they're trash and scum. like you know how much you hate ruzzia. we hate east euros that much.
I have read all your posts, they are trash. You are a trash person with a Black person soul. Leave my board. You are a village provincial. You have nothing in your mind that anyone would want to know.
enhance
>Leave my board
And I will, frick you and your whole family.
I am a White American. A croatian is eastern european Black person filth to me. To think I respected your country for giving the serbs Hell.
There is no way this is an ethnic Croatian. The whole thing jumped the shark when he tried to claim Croatian fear of the Warsaw-led USSR military as the the basis of his hatred of Poles. This is some fricking weird LARP action. I think if he'd just limited it to some kind of ordinary racism I could have suspended my disbelief for a bit.
Could be an American. Those lads are darker than a turd but love to trace their lineages back to that one European grandpa that was out whoring in 1724.
I'm a croat and I have no clue about anything this moron is talking about.
Neither of my grandparents ever mentioned anything about Poland when asked about the old days
Vit D deficiency is more common in more melenated individuals so you SERRRIOUSSLLYYY need to get the frick out of your troll cave and touch grass. Not even a burn on your shitposting just that if you're a vitamin d deficient cracker your easiest fix is just being outside for like an hour.
There's less sun in the northern hemisphere.
Why do you think you're pasty? To make up for that. Please leave your home.
why would a Croatian be so bootyblasted over Poland?
zigger expat. Dosent matter if first, second or third gen. Many such cases when you go over to flag boards and interrogate them to reveal their real nationalities
"the soviets went easy on them during the cold war"
how does it feel knowing if your country had killed as many Russians as Finland, the Russians might have left you alone?
The Finn knows that he cannot take up arms against his true enemy, Sweden, so he has to divert attention Russia. Very typical colonised subject behaviour.
It’s unfortunate, but perhaps we’ve underestimated jus throw buck broken Swedish colonisation was on the Fingols.
Well, Russia could give back the stolen lands if they don't want an pissed off neighbor
What I'm curious about is why the USSR didn't invade Finland again after the war anyway. Would the US have intervened? (Afghanistan style)
They thought they could treat the country like one of those socialist republics, and to some degree that worked. There was pretty extensive self-censorship to avoid pissing off the Soviets, and occasional concerned ominous letters from Soviet diplomats when things got a bit too far from what they wanted to see.
I suppose that was the price of independence, and probably worth it---most of the glorious workers' states in Eastern Europe were decades behind when the Iron Curtain dropped. Still a shameful display. Not sure if helping the Ukies kill as many ziggers as possible restores honor, but I take pleasure in it anyway.
I see, thanks. It still seems like a very high risk to take but with no alternatives what else could you try.
(I wouldn't trust a russian treaty more than I'd trust a bit of (single-ply, recycled) toilet paper.)
Incidentally today I also learned that russia had no toilet paper factory until 1969 (the same year America landed on the moon). What a fricking clown country.
Soviets were exhausted after the war and probably did have some espionage info about operation unthinkable and did not want to give brits and murricans an excuse to pull it off. Not to mention that the winter war was in the recent memory and soviets did not want an redo of that shit even if they "won" it.
Then Finlandization made Finland basically loose democratic puppet state that Soviets could use to circumvent the western sanctions somewhat, which was sort of useful. And then there was risk of escalation in europe that could easily have gone nuclear especially when Swedes were developing their own nukes and invading Finland would have seriously aggravated that front.
Because finnland tried their best to walk a line between appeasing the Soviets and remaining independent
the fins kicked out the germans at the end of the war
this allowed the russians to shift a lot of troops too other fronts.
This kept them independent.
After the war the soviets didn't fancy staring an other war while they had to secure their new "allies" and clean house.
The Fins where also a useful outlet to bypass some western sanctions and to get high quality imports without having to trade directly for them.
They didn't want to risk the absolutely massive casualties such a move would involve while NATO was still a threat
>Finland really doesn't have single reason to be butthurt about soviets or modern russia
What about false flag land grab, recent threats not to join NATO or attacking another neighboring country?
Individual Russians understand hospitality well so I have never really understood why it doesn't apply to their foreign policy
Like they have made threats against us at least since Georgia, and then have the gall to be pissed when we make countermeasures
Finlandization happened and the Finns were understandably not too happy about that.
think again homosexual
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_the_Ingrian_Finns
Nobody really talks about this but the slavo-mongols have been eating away at ethnic Finno-Ugrians since the sorcerers.
If ever there was an enemy to jump right at your throat.
>the child molester living next door hasn't diddled MY kids specifically, so why should I have a problem with them?
Hey, fox your society and stop supporting criminals, so the rest of us humans can live without criminals selling refugees passage to our country trough your crime filled one. You do know the border is closed because you Russians are fricking pieces of shit right now.
>NOOOOO, WE DINDU NUFFIN!!!!!!!11
Suck it pidorast!
just you know subhuman, I and everyone here hates you with the very core of our souls, justice will be served eventually
Hating Russians is an unavoidable consequence of living anywhere near Russians.
you tried that you snow monkey and it was such a miserable failure that even in 1944 it was better to deal peace with the finns so you could bumrush the germans then continue getting smacked around by them
>soviets left fins alone
have you ever read an history book?
>an history book
Stop this. You use the article "a" before a word that begins with a consonant sound, so unless you talk like a moron and pronounce it as "an istory book" you would use "a".
I'm like 50.1% certain he fully understands this, but pronounces ''history'' as ''istory'' so automatically turned the a into an.
Finnic languages are weird about the letter H but desperately strive to maintain a relative grammatical harmony using it.
It's not just Finns. I've been seeing this more and more in America. "An historic event" this, "an history" that. I don't remember ever seeing or hearing it ten years ago. I don't know when, where, or why it started but it needs to stop.
Yeah, frick you. They Celtic languages died out for a reason and thankfully their influence on God's own Germanic English is slowly being eroded.
>but pronounces ''history'' as ''istory'' so automatically turned the a into an.
this, but I'm not a finn. I always mix them up because when I say history in my head the h disappears.
"An" is the correct word to use before "history" or "historic", ESL-kun.
No it's not. The rule of thumb goes if your language teacher has brown hair and brown eyes, you're not learning - you're larping.
My English teacher had both and I was taught well though
English as a Second Language posters detected.
Always cute to see a genuine monolingual in Euro threads.
Is h a consonant? Do you pronounce the h in history? If so, you should use "a" and both you and your English teacher are morons.
Great job moron.
Give him some lenience, he is obviously lesser.
>they could have just swallowed them into soviet union
They tried and got their shit pushed in pretty fricking hard.
Stalin was talking about how it would be easy to displace the whole population via train so he could ship in Russians to take thwir place, like what happened in occupied Ukraine except with the whole population.
Why did the Georgian want to replace Eastern Europe with Russians?
You are part of the reason why we build our stockpiles, Ivan. They are meant to make (You) explode.
They inherited natural Swedish hate for Russians and made it their own after seceding
>soviets left fins alone,
Oh yeah they just
>aided the reds in the civil war
>started the winter war
>demanded military bases and islands from Finland in the peace negotiations
>demanded the disbandment of the SK and LS
>loomed over Finnish politics for decades after the lapland war
>forced the YYA-agreement on Finland, thus making Finland a target for US and brit nukes
We weren't a soviet state or a communist country, but they had influence over us regardless. THe geezer running in the presidential election right now was a fricking soviet confidant
Stubbs derangement symptom?
I thought you internet-addicted folk loved globalist-populists a la Trump and Putin.
>soviet confidant
Source? I'm trying to decide between the two for the election.
He assisted a KGB agent in Finland, in addition of his constant anti-FDF policies
https://www.iltalehti piste fi/politiikka/a/6d7e06e1-987b-4db5-ba7f-ee80f8825a0e
I can't understand why you Finns haven't killed all collaborators.
You could ask that about most post-soviet shitholes. Should have gotten rid of all the occupiers too.
Ciao, ciao Ceaușescu!
>You could ask that about most post-soviet shitholes.
Credit where it's due to Tito, he knew what to do with fifth columnists.
Because the communists are clever.
When your entire country speaks a bastard version of Setu, a cant in and of itself characterized by nonsense as a linguistical practice, one simply can not discern a person from a communist unless they directly quote Marx.
We have a few pesky things called "laws" that prevent it
His skin is brown, please be polite to the child.
A shame, ain't it?
Historically during the cold war, almost every single party had influential members with some sort of questionable links to Soviet Union. Some were rather overt about it, like commies and agrarian party, but even the right wing coalition party had some, ahem, personal alliances of pragmatic benefits that probably wouldn’t look very nice if they were dug up. Basically, if digging up dirt means that all major parties get splattered, it’s probably easier for every deciding faction to play what happened down.
And while 98% of people can agree that today’s openly zigger-minded neo-collaborators are walking pieces of human excrement, they’re thankfully also so fricking inept morons they’re just not worth it. Let them circlejerk in their social media sites, let people in the local imageboard jerk along them, they’re getting jack shit done. And in case of war, everyone knows where and who the fifth column is, so they are gonna enjoy a nice quick vacation at prison at that point.
You have no idea.
>accuse your political opponents of being collaborators
>get this lie repeated in all the media
>radical nationalists kill the "collaborators"
>run unopposed
many such cases
>between the two for the election.
>a psychopath bully who's publicly said he doesn't see himself as Finnish
>some queer who supports criminals and worked for the Soviet Union
Draw a church boat on the ticket, lmao.
>caught between the globo and the homo
If only you knew how bad things were.
>that awkward autistic smirk
Maybe I should..
Kansa ansaitsee johtajansa.
"People" like you should unironically be gutted like a fish
soviets left fins alone after 2 failed invasions
igor pls
>SEETHE at Russia
>get invaded
>cede land after being backstabbed by western allies
>half a million refugees from the territories you just surrendered flee never to return
>10 years later
>SEETHE at Russia
>get invaded
>ceded land after being backstabbed by western allies
>avow to never again take up arms of align yourself for fear of further buck breaking
O PERKELLEE :DDD
Pretty much sums up the Finnish mentality.
who are you quoting?
Shut the frick up vatBlack person
Mongol blood. Born to war.
getting over its inferiority complex and punching le big, bad bears teeth out
Call us based when our domestic gun laws stop being rape
>t. noguns
They're perfectly reasonable if you aren't a zoomer with a "gimme everything now" attention span.
Frick you aisuri
I have plenty and I shit on our awful system.
>Get hunters license
>Jump through million hoops for first gun
>Jump through million hoops every time you want new gun
>Jump through another million hoops if you want magazines
>-//- Pistols
>Unconstitutional mandatory join organization or don't have right to guns
Most idiots and criminals get filtered on first step
Police doesn't filter criminals upholding unconstitutional law
Only russians defend current gun laws
>>Get hunters license
>>Jump through million hoops for first gun
Getting hunters license was literally the only hoop. I'm sorry you are a poor ADHD zoomer that doesn't own, or have any relatives that own, land.
Frick off russian no gun
I have guns and would have more if your guys didn't steal one
Now kys zoomzoom.
nice, dags att rapportera till SÄPO
People who have guns cucking to our moronic laws is just sad
Not having the attention span to literally just get the fricking hunter's license is sadder.
Frick you, I jumped the hoops for a pistol, I know how shit our system is
The more sensible option being to hide the frickup's rifle in hole in Forest Frick at night like any normal person.
>needs a license to vape
what a nanny state
I'm sorry we don't let morons own guns, jonne.
We have guns but not massive gun-related crime. Almost as if the gun laws are working as intended.
How many blacks and latinos do you have? Because the gun crime rate among White Americans is the same as the average European country.
If only being a craven little knock-knees b***h was still a crime like in the old days there'd be no jail large enough to hold all the Big Talk Big Americans.
Boy, you suck at this
I can hear the sound of you shaking from across the atlantic for having been called out.
Karga poisu.
You're boring
Karga! Opp!
What's wrong with the gun laws in Finland? If you want a gun you can get one after a little bit of paperwork.
>two years practice before you can own a handgun
>one year before you can have a rifle with normal mags
>mandatory shooting test you have to pass to get those normal mags
The better question is what isn't wrong
This sounds like the most sensible gun laws in the world
>prove to us you can keep up not being a moron
Amazing
>prove to us we can trust you with your right
And that's without getting into the details of requiring a new gun owner to wait 2 years for a handgun they might need now or the very vested interest all govts have in keeping the populace sufficiently disarmed and how that influences them having to approve of gun ownership
Humans have rights, subhumans do not.
This is the European's worldview and you can curl your toes and beat on your tard wrangler however much you like, but the basic gist does not change
>prove that you're an actual human
NTA, but gun owners are already treated like second tier citizens due to guns
Sorry, but as a gun owner I genuinely am curious how does one identify ''gun owners''
Because to me this sounds like the dreck clinging to and despoiling any progress actual people that own fire arms.
Like you're from some shithole village everybody is surprised about to discover on the map and you are terribly christian and feature the signs of incest on your face?
That kind of gun owner?
I saw those on a brief stink delivering packages in Finland. Like some cartoon representation of degenerate Americans except they were waving guns at me because I spoke spurdo sparde but they spoke spikaillle spurdaillle
>how does one identify ''gun owners''
well, the police identify them with their database since every gun is registered to your name.
if you get accused of something, the first thing is to come collect the guns even if it's not firearms related, then we'll see if you get them back.
make that fit your strawman on your post
>well, the police identify them with their database
Anon, your lily liver ass is talking to people that aren't talking about a resistance movement but rather people that have a practice of hiding their actual defense capabilities sine the Swedes cucked.
The police? OK have fun you absolute child.
what?
My god you people actually like being less free. How pathetic.
Freedom does not entail being chained down by people that can not keep out of trouble.
It entails not being a gianormous pussy
That's the average Finnish gun owner for you
The cops will ream him ass to mouth and he just says "I can take bigger".
>filtering morons is bad
>unlike certain "free" country where a little argument or confrontation can suddenly turn into a gunfight and the police magdumps into you if you reach down during a traffic stop
Please understand, a minority of American weapon enthusiasts genuinely should not be allowed anywhere close to anything more deadly that a velcro shoe.
Said minority also LOVES to shitpost on /k/, withdrawing from the light like vampires whenever someone breaches the topic of ''literal fricking morons should not own guns.''
Other people seem to manage. Maybe its just you?
>posts data from before the rifle measures
The world could burn and the people with grandfathered rifle permits would say "oh well, I got mine"
Yeah it's not like anyone needs to get guns after I did, they're all dangerous incels
>tykki 122
The commies like to rely on meat assaults so a canister of Napoleon's finest might just do the trick.
I think you can technically get a license for any kind of thing that shoots things if you have a valid, legal use case for it. Good luck convincing the police to grant you a license for your personal MLRS, though.
Most people just take the easy route and get a rifle for hunting or something.
There are a bunch of muzzleloading smoothbore blackpowder cannons in KRP firearms registry.
>BUM :D:DD:DD
t. megapüssi
Here's a legal Finnish home made black powder muzzle loading smooth bore cannon. Caliber is 45 mm, and he is shooting steel slugs.
It's one of the caveats you get when you're a free democratic nation, you can't just get rid of all detractors because that would "look bad" and "be inhumane".
Russia and other shitholes don't have this problem but ironically enough that means that they stay shitholes partly because of it.
>pistooli
lmoo :DDDD
Benisrevolveri :DDD
>mandatory shooting test you have to pass to get those normal mags
Not a thing, I recommend you stop making up shit.
Yes it is, since ~summer 2021, dumbass. Google the yhtenäistämisohje, you can't get normal mags unless you do SRA or IPSC anymore.
parents are fighting again...
Imagine how much nicer a place your local public range would be. Only intelligent, well mannered people who clean up after themselves.
The cuck laws do an astoundingly bad job at that
>targets always shot to shit without anyone using a single patch
>new target? Ok I'll shoot it with birdshot and put some slugs through the center
>filters out morons who shouldn't own guns in the first place
>no arbitrary bans on parts like some U.S. states
>doesn't stop the two main groups of firearms owners from enjoying their hobbies (reservists and hunters)
Sounds like you're terminally online and want to own guns you can't even be arsed to take to the range like the "cool Americans".
>dude just "google it"
If its that easy to find then you should just link your source you fricking mobilegay.
there are several actual problems
there are unconstitutional parts to the firearms law
off the top of my head the easy ones are needing to belong to a firearms club for x period of time for certain types of firearms and magazines and needing to be employed by a gun club to be a certified instructor
they're unconstitutional because the finnish constitution guarantees the freedom of association which includes the freedom to NOT belong to an association
there are specific legal overriding steps that can be made against constitutional law but they were not taken in either case and they would not apply since they're intended mainly for national security purposes and other truly critical things
however they'll probably get toppled soon despite finnish gunboomers thinking nothing of them
there is one historical case where it was necessary to belong to a forestry association, it was overturned by a based rich fricker because he was pissed off about the whole thing
there is active "debate" about the necessity of belonging to university student healthcare program because it is blatantly unconstitutional
there are also some fringe cases where certain items and munitions that fall under ERVA firearm permits overlap with other safety regulations (incendiary/explosive mainly) and result in contradictory legal status for certain items that could land people possessing them legally into jail
we are actually pretty fricking stupid and full of russophiles and literal russians. better than the average euro still? yes.
Just part and parcel of living next door to Russia.
It's been an open secret that one should never ask FDFofficial what is the actual number of stored artillery ammunition in Finland.
It's what living next to a crazed assbandit aka russia does to a MF
What are they blanning?
Oh nothing much. I wouldn't worry about it
>they
You mean Finland shadow government? As I would predict that they are really going to drag us into a war.
>shadow government
Do you mean EK? :---D
En gerdois 😀
when benis :DDDD enders the bagina all will be gnown :DD
ebbin post :DDDD
Finlan :DDDDDdDdd
Binlan the Based
Anyone have the Mongolball image where Finball is wallowing in winter midnight missery, asks the night if it is all worth it/how to go on, and hears his ancestors speak, then responds "Sigh...."
This is the most anti-finnic meme I've seen in my life.
Literally a hate crime, except you morons will never understand.
elaborate homosexual
It's a terribly new world take on Finns as a meme.
I am Swedish. Finns have always been a lovable meme to us.
I'm genuinely sorry our northern cousins across the gulf entered civilization proper only somewhere between the end of the 20th to the early 21st century (IMHO I'd consider the Finns of 2023 not properly civilizied but that's just me)
We're good in 2024 though
I was giving you an in to pass for your '23 cuckery but like always, comedy is a heretical practice up north.
There are small pockets of civilization outside Espoo, Helsinki and Vantaa. Namely Turku, Oulu, Tampere (although that's a stretch) Porvoo, Rovaniemi
Outside of Espoo, HKI and Vantaa the level of civilization can differ wildly between centers of civilization. The rest is just forests, lakes, small plots of field and more lakes
Saddest fricking post in the entire thread, ori.
>Tampere
Don't ever call that commie shithole civilized
Tampere is the cradle of contemporary Finnish civilization.
>The rest is just forests, lakes, small plots of field and more lakes
Literally all a man needs.
Civilization is a meme anyway.
You'd be markedly more right if there weren't barbarians at our gates.
Be the barbarians your enemy wishes to be.
You can only stab so many immigrants at night before the Russians cry Nazi.
Let them b***h and moan because they will do that regardless. Better yet stab them too.
Much appreciated.
>went to Sevilla one summer and surrounded by extroverted Latinas
this pic is very true.
DOUNT DOUCH MAI HAIR
>pulls out knife genuinely expecting to get into a fight
>they scatter like rats
No one will ever understand the pressure the average Finn carries on his shoulders every day.
I moved to Spain for a year to work in a call center, it was fricking horrible. Never again man
Elaborate.
>one april afternoon
one of the best months in the year, no debate
Finland - silent guardian of Europe.
A humble hero we do not deserve.
so how many 155mm shells do they produce per month? 10k? "lol"
That would be 9k more than pidorstan.
ours use 152mm moron. which is produced more than all of the west combined can muster up 155mm
I wake up each morning happy, knowing that 500-1000 russians died the day before in Ukraine to ordnance that my taxes paid for. I sip my coffee and watch the clips of ryssäs eating shit and offing themselves. Russia and it's leaders are it's own worst enemy. Paranoid and corrupt pieces of shit.
If those are given to Ukraine they would probably cause 1 casualty per shell on average. Not bad.
Not enough, but were getting there
Man, all those invasion threats sure went great for the katsaps.
Based Finland, greetings from Croatia. We should all prepare for war.
>Imagine if you will a world where war is condemned, and people gather by the mobs to nations to condemn rightwing warmongers who initiate it as the left promotes diplomacy and peace toavoid war at all costs
>now imagine 15 years later the leftists are pro-war, get total hard-ons at the thought of WW3, have torn up nuclear arms reductions treaties, and are stock-piling munitions while poking and prodding other nations they can while hoping for that first shot fired while the right wing sits there in shock, and says "give peace a chance, man! We're not gonna fight for foreign governments and bankers!"
>you have entered the Twilight Zone.
A CHICKEN IN EVERY POT
AND A 155 ON EVERY ZIGGER
But could Finland defeat 250k Malmöhideens storming across the Swedish border? I think not.
Sit down little brother and know your place.
Who hates Russia more: Poles or Finns?
Poles on Finnish designed APCs.
>findland is converting itself to a "war economy" to produce shells and weapons it will literally just *give away* as charity for a nation in a hopeless, forlorn defeated state of war
why?
why would ANY nation expand production *not for themself*
but to just GIVE IT AWAY?
what the absolute frick is this idea?
>what the absolute frick is this idea?
It's the Finns, so the idea is probably TZD. A worthy cause.
Mostly test runs to see if the contracted companies are even up to their contracted obligations and can fulfill wartime production needs.
lisää kuolleit ryssii
The shells will kill Russians, Ivan
No we are not normalizing relations with you and the global south can fricking starve.
because frick the vatniks that's why
1. You produce arms, your dudes use those arms, your dudes kill the bad guys but some of your dudes die in return.
2. You produce arms, a friendly nation uses those arms, the friendly nation's dudes kill the bad guys but some of the friendlies die.
Which scenario is better for you?
absolutely fricking none of this incoherent mess of *deboonking* did any of it address the ass-stupid economic realities of literally giving away to charity, the product of nation-wide, state backed industrial production
one of you explain how this makes ANY sense from ANY economic perspective
if anything, this should ENRAGE fins, that the product of their MIC is essentially being just dumped into the trash shomewhere in zaphorizia,
even Americans are smart enought to want to keep their wunderwaffe, and not just *give it away for literally actually nothing*
Kuul on valus, sest sai kuuln'
dead vatnik factories produce dead vatniks which are an intangible cultural product of great importance to the finnish people
We're not poorgays unlike you Pajeets and assorted genetic trash
What's wrong with a bit of charity? Providing the means to turbokill subhuman ziggers is the best foreign aid we've sent anywhere in ages.
>charity
It's not charity. It's an investment.
They're investing in TZD.
The only charitable aspect of it is that it's technically AIDS prevention.
I would gladly pay an extra tax if the government promised it would fund killing ziggers
Crowdfund chinese toy planes dropping grenades on communists. Rob a tank museum for a Panzer V Panther. Steal money from brown people to fund the Ukraine war. Smith garage guns for the hohols.
here we see the puccian mind where every action has to benefit himself
>that the product of their MIC is essentially being just dumped into the trash
The ordnance we produce is for killing russians. It is killing russians, therefore it is doing it's job. We aren't losing manpower and are contributing to the destruction of our only hostile neighbours military, which is a win-win in my book. The longer it takes for Russia to rebuild it's armed forces, the longer there'll be peace in Europe.
Every destroyed Russian tank in Ukraine is one that's not going to roll over the Finnish border later. It's the most obvious and easily justified preventative investment to make in national defense.
I feel sorry for you anon. You just don't get it, and probably never will
>country X is hostile
>we want country X to be weaker
>we give country Y means to weaken country X
Wow this must be hard to process for your fetal alcohol syndrome brain
lol u mad
Besides the obvious and neccesary purpose of killing russians, spinning up production like this before anyone else in Europe gives Finland a serious edge in the global 155mm shell market, which is red hot right now and only getting hotter as demand spikes from everyone trying to expand their stockpiles while supply is continuously drained by the fighting in Ukraine
The potential returns on such an investment (assuming current market trends hold through to the medium term) are massive, and would be well worth the risk in my opinion even if they were not also contributing to the sudden and violent death of thousands of Russian people each and every day
In addition to your points, increased demand in 155 mm weapons is also going to consume demand for more munitions. This little skirmish war here has been a valuable marketing tool for 155.
>one of you explain how this makes ANY sense from ANY economic perspective
It's a bit like paying mercenaries to fight against your enemy. However, the mercenaries are highly motivated and free. The more shells you donate, the closer you get to TZD. As we all know, TZD is the end goal of every developed economy.
You stick out like a sore thumb
This is a rather nuances and I suppose very European point of view, but
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
Kill ziggers. Behead ziggers. Roundhouse kick a zigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a zigger baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy commies. Defecate in a zigger's food. Launch ziggers into the sun. Stir fry ziggers in a wok. Toss ziggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a zigger's gas tank. Judo throw ziggers into a wood chipper. Twist ziggers' heads off. Report ziggers to the IRS. Karate chop ziggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black ziggers. Trap ziggers in quicksand. Crush ziggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy ziggers in a vat of acid. Eat ziggers. Dissect ziggers. Exterminate ziggers in the gas chamber. Stomp zigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate ziggers in the oven. Lobotomize ziggers. Mandatory abortions for ziggers. Grind zigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown ziggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize ziggers with a ray gun. Kick old ziggers down the stairs. Feed ziggers to alligators. Slice ziggers with a katana.
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
Ah, a fellow moderate
>why would ANY nation expand production *not for themself*
>but to just GIVE IT AWAY?
Someone told Finland the ammo would be used to kill russians. Ammo factories started to go BRRRRRRR.
It is used to kill Russians, which is good for Finnish defense.
FRICK YOU SNOW Black folk, WHERE'S MY VIHTAVUORI POWDER?
In my closet
Removing ziggers or filling up FDF stockpiles, I guess. There'd probably be even less of it available if Lapua/Nammo wasn't bottlenecked by the primer shortage.
anon I have some very bad news
the powder specifically meant for you was loaded into a crate of 7.62x39, delivered to ukraine and magdumped directly into the wieners and balls of three squads of ziggers by accident
Finland lost twice in WW2.
Will lose three times in WW3.
Is it truly possible that venelased sõid sitta ilma meie verd valamata, ja nii kiirelt. Tell me it ain't so.
Finnish domination when?
How come everyone else is so cucked compared to based binns?
Having a hostile country that launched a blatant land grab right for your lands and then raped said lands into a slav-filled hellhole breeds some slight resentment.
Poland is arming at a steady pace, but germs and most of the post-soviet states are pretty cucked.
Finland is going full VANEMUINE
Us Baltics are going https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2XBpoREQow
Poland has enough rockets to put Kim Jong Un to shame.
My Belarussy is aching.
Ukraine is in open warfare.
Boy, a lot of people sure do hate communism. I wonder why?
Germans are behind both too much red tape and beaurocracy
but on the flip-side, their industry can arm the entirety of Europe which is in the way of them and Russia, just gotta put pressure on that production
My grandmothers family had to evacuate from Karelia. All those wonderful villages, now rotten and pillaged during the Soviet era. All that history and culture lost.
We do not forget.
And our puukos are sharp.
moronic. They have no natural resources unlike Ukraine. The only reason they were ever bothered by soviets was to get additional land for buffer around Leningrad. They did not accept offer to give the land soviet asked for, offering them same land but less. That is what started the war. But now they can enjoy spending their money on military as well as their somali refugees.
that land was also strategically very important for finnish defense so giving it up would have been pretty moronic. based on their other activities at the time, the soviets were almost certainly planning to take over the whole country regardless, either by piecemeal political concessions or just invading (which would've been considerably easier with the requested land)
>we just need MORE land, plz understand
All the land they have is filled with Russians, though. They need the GOOD land that does not have Russians.
>take land
>shit up land
>need more land
Literally orcs.
Favela tier. Slavs have southern blood.
What city is that?
mosqueov
Moscow, you can see the towers of the financial district in background
Seems they've been cleaning it up, I've circled the tennis courts in red.
>they called it the Shanghai slums
How inclusive.
derp
There is no way that is real. This has to be an excellent shop, or AI magic. I have an extremely low opinion of vatniks, but I refuse to believe that such a sight exists in Moscow.
I simply refuse to believe that such slums exist anywhere above the Tropic of Cancer.
Chinks have similar slums
You can see it on google maps, it's directly southwest of Moscow State University.
From pins on the map, it looks like it's a bunch of car repair and scrap shops, but I'm not sure if it has people living in it or not.
Oh, if they are not slums then that makes sense. It would be a new low if Russia had literal slums in the middle of Moscow.
They've demolished the favela, but left all the shit where it was. It's just outside Moscow State University
Literally pajeetistan-tier juxtaposition, honest to God embarrassing.
Same vibes
Yes.
Russia used the exact same "muh security" pretext to occupy the Baltics. The land trade offer wasn't made in good faith and the Russians would have taken advantage and pushed further if the Finns conceded. The Finns made the right choice to fight at their strongest before being compromised by concessions.
>They did not accept offer to give the land soviet asked for, offering them same land but less. That is what started the war.
Wrong. That is the tankie talking-point.
The war started because Stalin wanted to conquer whole Finland, as was agreed between Soviet union and Germany in the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty.
Red army had a timetable and plans down to the the artillery supplies, for an invasion of max three weeks, to take Helsinki. Of course, to improve morale, they told the soviet officers the capital would be taken in...
TWO WEEKS!
>ayo nigguh gibs me dat
No.
>MUHFUGGA I NEEDS DEM LANDZ WE IZ SUPAHPOWAH AN SHIEET BIX NOOD NIGG-ACK
>NOOO HE WUZ GOOD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN HE WUZ JUS TRYING TO GET DEM BUFFER ZONES AN SHIEET
Japanon is proven right time and time again; wrong color by accident.
GOD I fricking hope the Russians try to invade.
>entire country is forests, swamps, lakes, and MORE LAKES
>Every bridge and road is mined
>every inch of ground is a pre sighted artillery grid
>entire country is covered with bunkers
Just imagine that 40km Kiev traffic jam in Finnish conditions with NATO air support in addition to what the Finns already have.
It's indeed true that beneath Finland there is another Finland.
schizo garbage
Angry Catholic detected. Shouldn't you be too busy feeling guilty about your masturbation habits to post this?
You're accusing Finns in a finnposting thread of being catholic, Taara strike you and your twink boyfriend.
You're accusing Englishmen on an English language board of schizophrenia for telling you the historical cultural influences on an English article and phenome.
English? Is that an ethnic form of American?
>Is that an ethnic form of American?
Anglos are a brotherly people living in many nations. We live in many lands, but our true home, where we are the undisputed sovereigns, is the among the waves.
Because the sealfricking Norwegians and D*nes of all the god forsaken degenerates on this planet kicked you out of your own home island?
Not at all. Because the best of the Norweigians and Danes settled here to become our grandparents, in the process displacing the locals to Ireland and leaving only the degenerate seal-frickers behind to eventually become Norway and Denmark. Surely you don't think it's a coincidence that after all the naval bloodlines of Scandinavia settled England Scandinavia ceased to be a naval power, and the anglos became the world's preeminent naval people, while the locals in Ireland never raised a navy at all?
Mate I was just poking fun at ya but that right there is genuinely schizoposting.
The kelts never invented boats due to barely being sentient and simply floated on their fat bellies across the straits. The Danes were a legit naval power until their navy got pooped on because they sided with Napoopan, hence the whole ''uhh boss, your oak trees are ready for another navy'' meme in 2007.
Haha, I'm only having fun as well with this ethnoposting. I hate whinging poms nearly as much as the French. I was going to reply with something about reindeer fricking or something, but a good friend of mine is Sami so I felt too bad to follow through and played defence instead. Have a good one mate.
(May the ghost of Wellington strike you down (while wearing wellingtons in Wellington)).
His wellingtons are provided by Nokia (the phone company)
>is in the stress of the second syllable, where "historical" has a less stressed second syllable
*first syllable (the second letter, actually, the i sound in the words, which is why I brain farted in the original post)
A few statistics form Finland;
- Conscript service since 1920's for all males of 18 years, with service until 60 years
- First line soldiers 230.000
- Another 700.000 trainer reservists
- Largest artillery in Europe, including up to date missiles and mobile artillery
- Navy consists of fast small missile boats that can hide within the wast Finnish archipelago and send up-to-date missiles to cover all of Bay of Finland and large areas of The Baltic Sea. Mine laying ships and Europes largest naval mine stocks and capability - can block most of Bay of Finland and access to bay of Bothnia from any hostile force
- Mobile coastal artillery with up-to-date missiles and artillery mounted on trucks. Missiles can cover all of The Bay of Finland and large areas of The Baltic Sea (together with Swedes most of the Baltic Sea)
- Air force with some 60+ F18 Hornets and long range missiles. Planes can operate from highway airfields scattered all around Finland. Practiced joint operational capability with Swedish and Norwegian air forces, with a total of some 250 fighter planes.
- Additionally Finns have 2nd highest number of civilian arms per capita, after Swiss.
- There are more than 1,5 million guns held by ca. 450.000 gun lisence holders. 50.000 + are semi-auto AK / AR rifles, privately purchased and also held at home by reservists.
- Some 200.000 Moose and deer hunters complete a rifle marksmanship test every 3 years. Most hunters are members in local hunting clubs with existing communication equipment etc, gear.
- Most finns own and are familiar with full outdoor and camping gear and are familiar with moving in the nature.
- All finnish towns have large community civil shelters and by law all larger housing complexes have their own civil shelters.
- If needed, most of the finns can evade to own or family's summer cottages
In Winter and Continuation Wars ruskies lost estimated 600.000 men, against some 70.000 finnish KIA. Stalin had been quoted og loss of 1.000.000.
>Most finns own and are familiar with full outdoor and camping gear and are familiar with moving in the nature.
>- All finnish towns have large community civil shelters and by law all larger housing complexes have their own civil shelters.
1. bullshit due to the majority living in cities now
2. they're mostly unmaintained now, so good luck
what's with the picture of trees
Wish we still had Suomi M31's in stock.
In 1957 Finnish Army had some 53.600 Suomi's left in inventory and they were in minor practice use until 1990's.
Large quantities of this inventory were sold most likely very cheaply to US and European surplus gun companies.
Finnish army also sold de-activated Suomi's to general population between 2000 and 2007, price being around 150 €. These sold wey well as many wanted to have a piece of WW2 history, and Suomi's without any doubt did have a major significance in the finns success in Winter War!
After new EU de-activation directives and rules came into force, most old dea-activated weapons must de-activated again, as described in the new guidelines. Without this and relevant certificate, "old de-acts" can not be sold or transfered to another person in any way!
A new local Police Firearms Authority ruling also requires all de-activated weapons to be listed with local police .
>the oldest recorded Northern European board game is like chess, except one player players and the "Swedes" and the other as "Muscovites" and the goal of the game is for the Swedish player to escape without getting raped
VGH.. sVVeden mentioned in thread about Finland again.
and if you get Finn drunk enough, he starts speaking Swedish!
I am a non-Russian slav and have no skin in this fight.
I love the Finns.
During an invasion of Finland, a Russian general and his troops come to a hill.
They hear a voice shouting: "One Fin can beat ten Russians!"
The general laughs about it and sends ten of his troops to go kill whoever is on the other side of the hill. There is alot of noise and shooting and after a while silence comes and none of the Russians return.
The voice speaks once again saying: "One Fin can beat 100 Russians!"
The general is a little upset by now and sends 150 of his troops to go for sure. Once again there is alot of noise and shooting and once again none of the Russians return.
The Voice speaks again: "One fin can beat 1000 Russians!"
The general is pissed off and sends 1000 of his best men. The noise and shooting goes on for a long time and as silence settled again one Russian comes crawling back over the hill bleeding from a wound.
He says: "Don't send any more troops, it's a trap! There are two of them!"
I wonder if any other euro countries have been quietly expanding production as well?
I know there were some eastern euros out there producing soviet 152 at the start of the war for example
>quietly
The answer is yes, and it has not been quiet. You just never bothered to listen.
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Torille! (It means everyone should go celebrate in the town square)
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yep
Nice.
Kaittesa o terotustarpeet lähellä, jos tarttehee ruveta kalistelemaha?