Probably not since the former, with the public blessing from Putin, is trying to absorb Wagner into MoD, while the latter is one step away from an armed rebellion.
It's a textbook feint. Committing serious forces to an amphibious invasion in a flooded town would be suicide. These guys are meant to get in, get a bunch of Russians redirected to them, and get out before said Russians arrive.
Vids of shooting being heard in Nova Kakhovka are all over telegram rn. Could be feint, could be local infighting, who knows, lets wait for more info tomorrow.
There are a frickload of stories about russians in NK being extremely steal-happy lately. So who knows, might be them trying to steal whatever got left before another goodwill gesture
I think this would work if Russians were being EXTREMELY moronic and left nothing but a fraction of a garrison force expecting absolutely zero chance of attack from that front.
But this would imply that Ukraine has insane logistics in that area. If they don't, it's one hell of a gamble.
at this point even if the river bed is completely dry it would be at maximum ~10cm, beneath it would still be soft silt. you won't cross this with any vehicle except a hovercraft.
I don't believe it's true, but the area near the dam will be pretty much the only area that won't be a muddy mess.
>it's still going to be one hell of a swamp/mud
not really, most of the water is going through downstream floodways now and the summer sun is already drying up everything...
at this point even if the river bed is completely dry it would be at maximum ~10cm, beneath it would still be soft silt. you won't cross this with any vehicle except a hovercraft.
that the vatniks killed a bunch of humanitarian workers trying to deliver food and medicine to people fricked by the flood and are now trying to spin it as an "offensive" before the news break tomorrow.
i know why they do it, but the fact they still refer to the AFU as militants just pisses me off. like they could atleast give them the respect of calling them soldiers after a 1 1/2 years of this shit.
No, the whole thing is that they're super belitting to Ukraine and think they're misguided Russians who need to be guided by the real Russians from Moscow. If they saw them as equals they would have to fundamentally shift their mindset and entire worldview. Russians are NEVER gonna do that.
>the AFU militants attacked residential buildings in the Dnieper - one-and-a-half year old child was killed
Right there in the Dnieper river? How did the residential buildings get there? >t-there was an unplanned rise in water levels about a week ago due to... reasons
Golly, that sounds pretty serious. Who's investigating the root cause? >w-we can't investigate hydrotechnical failures, it would be literally be against the law, t-the new law that the Duma passed May 31st, exactly one week before the waters rose and the Nova Kakhova Dam... w-went mysteriously missing
Oh yeah, I read something about that from the Russian 205th MRB who were guarding the thing at the time, picrel? >n-no further questions!
Translation: >we spotted some scary shadows so we shelled them and it turns out we killed a lot of civilians, including children >again >yes, this has been a daily thing for us
Greek girl or German girl for me, MAYBE the Italian one.
I've never met a Greek person I didn't enjoy talking to, but then again I've only met Greek Expats and never been to Greece to see the shitheads.
I'll take the Frenchie for sweet wholesome sex, then the Italian for femdom spitting and pissing on me, then the Greek one to correct her MSGK attitude through forced exhibitionism petplay.
The common ancestor came from Eastern Europe, spreading outwards in several directions.
Not that this matters - modern day inhabitants of Northern India have had thousands of years of divergence from the original stock - and not even Alexander's empire or the prolonged Mughal rule have had much of an imprint. They don't even look like the Persians who live geographically close, let alone Western Europeans.
Nigeria is there because they have been working closely with the UK and France to fight islamists, pirates and warlords. India has had less cooperation with various NATO countries than even China, so their presence is perplexing.
For me it's the Mademoiselles, the Fräulein and the Signorina.
I'll take the Frenchie for sweet wholesome sex, then the Italian for femdom spitting and pissing on me, then the Greek one to correct her MSGK attitude through forced exhibitionism petplay.
But anon, the Frenchs are the ones with MSGK attitude and in need of forced exhibitionist petplay correction.
>Be Russian commander >try to create small, controlled breach in dam to prevent small incursions across the river and free up troops to guard other portions of the front >oops blew the whole dam blyad >wash away your own defensive positions >well at least they definitely can't do a river crossing now >move troops out of the area >Ukrainians cross the river
Here I stand beneath
the raped mobiks under intense pain
The droplets falling
Gently down on the terrain
Wash away the sorrow
All the stains of time
But there's no crumble zone
no vaunted red line
>Russia moves all their troops to defend Zaporizhzhia >"pff they're not gonna cross that shit now" >they cross that shit now >frick frick frick >scramble some of the forces from Zaporizhzhia back to the left bank >Zaporizhzhia starts falling because of lowered manpower >frick frick frick
How likely is this to be the case?
i don't think russians are that quick to react to this. they'll most likely either stay at their fortifications with some of them fleeing and getting capped by kadyrovite kings. if there's anything serious at khahovka, russia will react way too late, they'll start pointing fingers and measuring eggs while the ukrainians try to divert them as best as possible
No shot.
Even assuming Russian defenses in the area are paper thin, you'd still need a supply line to the city to hold it, or you'd get kicked out by a counterattacking enemy that has a much easier time pouring in troops and supplies.
A raid, perhaps. Wouldn't be the first time the ukies cross the river to frick with the vatfricans on the other side.
>Losing war and need a PR stunt >Fire a bunch of guns into the darkness >Claim ukies trying to cross river >Claim brave Russian defenders defeated 500 Ukrainian special forces >Shows zero evidence
Absolutely no way this is real.
All the Ukkie (and even some of the Russian) channels are calling it moronic larp by Russian troops.
And considering the multiple incidents of them massacring civilians this week, they most likely scenario is that they did it again and are just making noise to obfuscate it.
>more progress in a week then 10 months at Bakhmut >Russia losing Bakhmut anyway
Yeah pretty good
Also if you're going to go all >d-dill pigger cope
Like some kind of /misc/-slop slurping homosexual then I guess that means Prigozhin is a NAFO dill troony now
LAMO
Yeah, I'm terrified that Russia has done it. Russia before the mass mobilization was using a mere 200,000 professional soldiers, plus whatever Wagner and the Donetsk militias contributed. 300,000 men and lord knows whatever equipment and mines just adds SO MUCH FRICKING BULLSHIT they need to fight. I think Ukraine might have been overconfident.
Plus Russians are adapting, and using smarter defensive strategies.
My biggest fear was that Russia would freeze the conflict and this very well might be exactly what happens.
the most fricking shit feast here: Pro israelite and Pro piggers literally think that if they can force russians to hang over Crimea and more then the war will stop and they can massacre all 250 million Russians into submission.. and that just because israelite Kagan clan and sleepy Joe said it..
>250 million Russians
There are less then 150million Russians anon and large part of those are churkas. They have about 1/5th of European population. Did you believe there are still endless hordes of Russians like in WW2?
>graph shows quarter of the population are churkas
You know that is worse than France, right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
So? It's like 3/4 russian, which isn't 1/5 like the post above claimed. That's the only thing i was arguing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>isn't 1/5 like the post above claimed.
Not what I said moron. The whole population of Russia is about 5th of Europe. It's not an endless source of manpower like you think and they definitely don't have 250 Million people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't claim 250, and you said quote >There are less then 150million Russians >and large part of those are churkas
Learn to phrase your thoughts better.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Tatars ain't churkas.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sure m8, they are saviors of the white race and based trad Christians
This balance is only going to get worse by the way, as the Russians are actively encouraging as many Africans as possible to immigrate to Russia to fix their number of workers and to boost their demographics.
That might not be such a good idea if Ukraine continues to get free cruise missiles and jets to launch them. Keeping half a million men sitting in trenches to watch cruise missiles fly overhead and knock out anything of sufficient value in the occupied land is extremely expensive with no return.
The reason kharkiv and Kherson collapsed was because they just didn't have enough to man the defenses since Russia was still operating on a cheapo army where they were cutting corners. In the event of an actual war the 200,000+ professional army was meant to be augmented by hundreds of thousands of conscripts. So the "proper" Russian army didn't arrive until after the first 300,000 wave of mobilization. Ukraine killing over 200,000 Russian allied soldiers sounds impressive when they have at least 300,000 behind that and hundreds of thousands more coming.
The counter-offensive is slow going and my fear is that Ukraine will just run out of armored units and enough soldiers before making serious proress. Then it's a frozen conflict forever.
Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition since Russians have just so many god damn people compared to Ukraine. They need to win a war of breaking through defenses and encircling the enemy forcing them to withdraw.
At best we're seeing 1:1 trading which is terrible. Russia does not care about losing another 100,000 mobiks, but Ukraine doesn't have that kind of numbers.
I'm hoping I'm wrong and they make slow steady gains and break through to Meriopol in a few weeks or months.
And yes, there's promises to replace all the bradleys. but there's a difference between a Bradley sitting in Utah and one in Ukraine. They might not be able to get them there fast enough.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I never said they would run out of men. I said they would break the line because they are killing them above replacement levels over the short term.
And that's not why Kherson collapsed. They had their best units there before the offensive because it was so heavily telegraphed. They knew it was coming and could not stop it.
They had their best units there but that wasn't the issue. They didn't have ENOUGH of them. The Russian army before mobilization and after are totally different beasts. They're literally just shrugging off 100,000 deaths like it's no big deal because they have hundreds of thousands more. They're completley willing to utterly frick their country's future demographics over for this because Putin is betting the big game.
I AM spelling doom because I'm terrified and hope I'm wrong. There's hints and rumors of Russia planning to withdraw from much of Zap because they can't hold it and might go scorched earth. Just level infrastructure before going. Break all the dams, and power stations, and anything worth anything. I'm terrified for the ZNPP in that case. One would HOPE it's off limits but Russians are fools.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>had their best units there but that wasn't the issue. They didn't have ENOUGH of them
That's cope. They knew the offensive was coming and they prepared for it. They got reamed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They literally have hundreds of thousands of more soldiers now and it really makes all the difference. And grinding Wagner to dust in Bakhmut is a sacrifice they were glad to make especially since they don't count as official casualties.
>I think Ukraine might have been overconfident.
Nah. >Russians are adapting,
Hahahahahaha. >My biggest fear
Loled at the concern troll. The glavset, the glavset never changes.
Russians are actually playing a good defensive war, or at least as best as they could. Before Russian lines were being broken and then panic ensued. Here they're staying more coherent, using heavy amount of mines, and trapping heavy armor into areas where they get bogged down and hit by artillery. It's preventing fast movement of armor which is what they WANT to do.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They literally have hundreds of thousands of more soldiers now and it really makes all the difference.
It didn't make a difference at Kherson.
>Before Russian lines were being broken and then panic ensued.
We saw the same shit at Kherson. They still folded eventually.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They didn't have ENOUGH of them
Russia had numerical superiority in both Kherson and Kharkiv. They continue to enjoy numerical superiority both overall and locally to this day.
For Russian forces to be outnumbered, they would need to loose over 300k frontline troops.
The question is how long they're willing to maintain the proper army in the field. If they can be prevented from getting a return on the investment, eventually they will give up.
Anon, they are ages past that point. They are ok with damaging their country for generations. The point is if they are willing to have a civil war and balkanize their country.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They could only handle it for about 10 years in Afghanistan, and that was a cheaper occupation plus the Soviet Union was a lot bigger than just Russia.
Anon, Putin himself came out and announced that they don't have enough equipment to arm the army they currently have. And if Der Große Monke said this publicly on Russian State TV, then things have clearly gotten desperate for them.
So this is it. Soldiers don't turn up at the recruiting station with their own rifles and vehicles, although that might a requirement soon. You can't fight a modern, mechanised force in nothing but tracksuits and flatcaps and win, regardless of how many mobiks you throw at the problem.
>I think Ukraine might have been overconfident.
Nah. >Russians are adapting,
Hahahahahaha. >My biggest fear
Loled at the concern troll. The glavset, the glavset never changes.
>Haha Your offensive isn't taking ground fast enough! Check mate atheists!!
Amazing how Russia army changed from we can take all of nato and be in Warsaw/Berlin/Paris in days to this.. if any one told me before the war that the vatnigs would be proud to hold back a offensive at some places I would have thought you are insane.
Putin seems very reluctant to do another major mobilization. They're already short of workers. They've already rounded up the dregs of society nobody cares about. And the ruble faces collapse. It won't be pretty.
>They've already rounded up the dregs of society nobody cares about.
I think it's just literally randoms. I keep hearing stories of lawyers, dentists, and doctors, being sent out to die in trenches. It's utter madness. I mean their demographics are fricked either way.
btw, shit like Bangladesh makes no god damn sense. Too many people in shit plains that flood all the time? I say that the country should be banned from having more than 20 million people and everyone shipped to Ukraine, China, and Russia, to help even out demographics.
Seems they took anyone too dumb to show up to the summons, which excluded anyone with half a brain and/or a support network of people who cared about them to help them dodge.
Seems they took anyone too dumb to show up to the summons, which excluded anyone with half a brain and/or a support network of people who cared about them to help them dodge.
Oh their demographics are so fuuuuuuuuuucked (but so is Ukraine's). Like 50% at least of the people who have fled both countries are never coming back. And those who fled Russia are young couples who have given up on the system, or young men fleeing conscription - the young people who are just utterly VITAL for their countries demographics. Where the frick are they getting soldiers in the future?
Best case scenario is they freeze Ukraine, but then what? 200,000+ force in perpetuity in Ukraine manning defenses? That's a huge cost in and of itself. How are they going to defend their own borders and internal conflicts?
Someone in dumbfrickistanshi is going to realize the army is nowhere to be found and will declare themselves an indenepdnet Republic and beg USA or China to fund them. Oh and this republic will just happen to sit on a pile of fricking Uranium, oil, gas, rare earth minerals, etc.
>200,000+ force in perpetuity in Ukraine manning defenses?
Is even that adequate? That was about the size of the force back when Kharkiv happened.
11 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair, iirc Kharkiv happened because most of the troops were stationed in Kherson and Donbas, which is why Ukraine was able to cut through Kharkiv quick and easy. That's also why Russia started drafting people so that they don't have big gaps in their defenses anymore. And in Kherson and now in Zap it's taking Ukraine long and methodical operations to starve the enemy out by striking the supply lines to force them out. And it's gonna get harder the more land they reclaim, because that would mean more consolidation of troops in the occupied territory.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's also why Russia started drafting people so that they don't have big gaps in their defenses anymore
That's exactly what I mean, is 200k enough to man the line without exploitable gaps?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's probably not impossible if they can just dig in there in perpetuity and Ukraine isn't getting any more artie shells to continuously turn them into crispy bacon. If we're talking Russia forced back into Donbas, including occupied territory, and Crimea then yeah. Trying to force them out is gonna be a meat grinder.
the best part of the war has been seeing how drones have fricked everything up
It's kind of weird to think that a multi million dollar Russian tank has a losing matchup against a $100 hobby drone with some grenades and a guy watching a ididathing tutorial
The egg is being measured
wen arrow time
Is Shoigu's and Priggy's public pissing match just a form of flirting?
Probably not since the former, with the public blessing from Putin, is trying to absorb Wagner into MoD, while the latter is one step away from an armed rebellion.
This entirely misses the point. The message says that they're in a dick-measuring contest
We know
that's the joke
who the frick makes these
Black folk tongue my fingers.
It's a textbook feint. Committing serious forces to an amphibious invasion in a flooded town would be suicide. These guys are meant to get in, get a bunch of Russians redirected to them, and get out before said Russians arrive.
They're gonna make some noise if nothing else.
takbir
Inshallah.
Hato isis tactics
Allahu akbar!
Fingerbros, we're so fricking back!!!
Glove status?
Glove is in ass right now. Hohol wiener WILL be squeezed. The bear will measure the egg and everyone will raise the eyebrow.
Things would be great if they weren't so bad.
This guy's story isn't like the dramatic "oh no civvies were massacred" stuff, it feels more like quiet despair. I hope Mariupol is delivered.
>The egg is being measured
>The clown is being painted
the frick is fricked
the ass is in the as
the eggs are boilling
the jaws are dropping
eyebrow status ?
>sourceless post
>all caps
>unlikely scenario
why do you keep doing this?
Tick tock
i'd fricking love it if this was true but there's no evidence and there's been a slew of shitposters the last few weeks doing this
https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/1669450633798189056?s=46&t=Km98Uqmt-Qf4moyn-EuUlQ
Vids of shooting being heard in Nova Kakhovka are all over telegram rn. Could be feint, could be local infighting, who knows, lets wait for more info tomorrow.
Maybe some Russians are fighting over loot, lol.
There are a frickload of stories about russians in NK being extremely steal-happy lately. So who knows, might be them trying to steal whatever got left before another goodwill gesture
Last 24h russian telegram crying about Nova Kakhovka, vatnik in west "this post"
y u no defending motherland?
it is not happening sorry
I'm not sure fingering Russians would do much, they go through excessive training to help them overcome such things.
chisel is a nice touch
This seems like an extremely desperate and stupid idea.
I think this would work if Russians were being EXTREMELY moronic and left nothing but a fraction of a garrison force expecting absolutely zero chance of attack from that front.
But this would imply that Ukraine has insane logistics in that area. If they don't, it's one hell of a gamble.
Did you miss the thread about half the river drying up?
I won't be shocked if the Ukrainians manage to outwit the Russians with some kind of bold river crossing.
What do you mean? it's still going to be one hell of a swamp/mud and it makes moving heavy equipment hard, but not utterly impossible.
I don't believe it's true, but the area near the dam will be pretty much the only area that won't be a muddy mess.
>it's still going to be one hell of a swamp/mud
not really, most of the water is going through downstream floodways now and the summer sun is already drying up everything...
at this point even if the river bed is completely dry it would be at maximum ~10cm, beneath it would still be soft silt. you won't cross this with any vehicle except a hovercraft.
if only Ukraine didn't sell China their hovercrafts...
Tell me about this finger, why does it scare vatniks?
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN????
that the vatniks killed a bunch of humanitarian workers trying to deliver food and medicine to people fricked by the flood and are now trying to spin it as an "offensive" before the news break tomorrow.
The finger is pointing. The eggs will boil soon.
>one (1) yo baby was killed
textbook warcrime
Ukies planned this attack after learning there was a Donbass child they forgot to genocide left in the oblast
6 million + 1
Gotta catch em all
>over 30 shells
Yeah this isn't anything. Maybe some boats strafed the coast to make some noise and spread panic/uncertainty
donetsk baby, a future donetsk child.
good riddance
Pretty evil t b h
i know why they do it, but the fact they still refer to the AFU as militants just pisses me off. like they could atleast give them the respect of calling them soldiers after a 1 1/2 years of this shit.
No, the whole thing is that they're super belitting to Ukraine and think they're misguided Russians who need to be guided by the real Russians from Moscow. If they saw them as equals they would have to fundamentally shift their mindset and entire worldview. Russians are NEVER gonna do that.
>the AFU militants attacked residential buildings in the Dnieper - one-and-a-half year old child was killed
Right there in the Dnieper river? How did the residential buildings get there?
>t-there was an unplanned rise in water levels about a week ago due to... reasons
Golly, that sounds pretty serious. Who's investigating the root cause?
>w-we can't investigate hydrotechnical failures, it would be literally be against the law, t-the new law that the Duma passed May 31st, exactly one week before the waters rose and the Nova Kakhova Dam... w-went mysteriously missing
Oh yeah, I read something about that from the Russian 205th MRB who were guarding the thing at the time, picrel?
>n-no further questions!
Translation:
>we spotted some scary shadows so we shelled them and it turns out we killed a lot of civilians, including children
>again
>yes, this has been a daily thing for us
HATOsisters it's over....
>Uk girl isn't a Chav
You had ONE job, lol.
>aussie's a Black person
why
ceyloni immigrant
I assumed she's meant to be an abbo
abbo chicks are at best twice as fat and pregnant at 13
that brit slag and the german fraulein for me
>Pencil skirt + button-up and tie on the Italy one
Goddamn bros, if none of you are taking her she's mine.
Big tiddy germ gf for me
i like the greek, the italian and the canuck most
Greek girl or German girl for me, MAYBE the Italian one.
I've never met a Greek person I didn't enjoy talking to, but then again I've only met Greek Expats and never been to Greece to see the shitheads.
Poland looks great to shoot guns with.
>tfw no fricking leaf gf
Ukrainian, Bong or French thicc thighs for me.
thats the least american looking woman I've ever seen
>least
She looks like an american midwestern valley girl. So its accurate.
I'll take the Frenchie for sweet wholesome sex, then the Italian for femdom spitting and pissing on me, then the Greek one to correct her MSGK attitude through forced exhibitionism petplay.
>no Turkey
Here ya go anon
That's very rude. Anzujaamu is cute.
who's gonna tell him
Erdogun won the election, by the end of the decade, women in turkiye will be forced to wear burkhas.
I'll take the aussie for endless sessions of passionate babymaking
>Canada
>White
>India
What are they doing there and why does that girl look like she's 3/4 European?
Also, why is Finland experiencing a local gravitational anomaly?
>and why does that girl look like she's 3/4 European?
Where do you think the Aryans came from?
The common ancestor came from Eastern Europe, spreading outwards in several directions.
Not that this matters - modern day inhabitants of Northern India have had thousands of years of divergence from the original stock - and not even Alexander's empire or the prolonged Mughal rule have had much of an imprint. They don't even look like the Persians who live geographically close, let alone Western Europeans.
I assume India is there because China/India hate each other. Nigeria is there probably for le diversity.
Nigeria is there because they have been working closely with the UK and France to fight islamists, pirates and warlords. India has had less cooperation with various NATO countries than even China, so their presence is perplexing.
>what is Quad
>no big tiddied israeli idf waifu
>puts a street shitter instead
sir hands drew this
>israel
>freeworld
anon
>India
well, you tried.
I want to hold ROC and keep her safe form her evil twin.
For me it's the Mademoiselles, the Fräulein and the Signorina.
But anon, the Frenchs are the ones with MSGK attitude and in need of forced exhibitionist petplay correction.
>Italy
She looks like she could suck your soul out through your wiener.
I want Italy to be mad at me.
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
American bimbo bawds all the way
t. European
>Taiwan
Imagine the hot lesbian sex she could have with her psycho twin sister
HhhhuuuuuAaAAAAOOOOOOOO
sexo
No NZ 🙁
>Be Russian commander
>try to create small, controlled breach in dam to prevent small incursions across the river and free up troops to guard other portions of the front
>oops blew the whole dam blyad
>wash away your own defensive positions
>well at least they definitely can't do a river crossing now
>move troops out of the area
>Ukrainians cross the river
Here I stand beneath
the raped mobiks under intense pain
The droplets falling
Gently down on the terrain
Wash away the sorrow
All the stains of time
But there's no crumble zone
no vaunted red line
>The mud is sinking deeper
lol
>Russia moves all their troops to defend Zaporizhzhia
>"pff they're not gonna cross that shit now"
>they cross that shit now
>frick frick frick
>scramble some of the forces from Zaporizhzhia back to the left bank
>Zaporizhzhia starts falling because of lowered manpower
>frick frick frick
How likely is this to be the case?
i don't think russians are that quick to react to this. they'll most likely either stay at their fortifications with some of them fleeing and getting capped by kadyrovite kings. if there's anything serious at khahovka, russia will react way too late, they'll start pointing fingers and measuring eggs while the ukrainians try to divert them as best as possible
Personally I think its an attempt to draw more russians west of mariupol so that they are cut off when the ukies reach the sea
Are they crossing?
>claim there was an assault
>but we killed them all
>provide no evidence
every time
No shot.
Even assuming Russian defenses in the area are paper thin, you'd still need a supply line to the city to hold it, or you'd get kicked out by a counterattacking enemy that has a much easier time pouring in troops and supplies.
A raid, perhaps. Wouldn't be the first time the ukies cross the river to frick with the vatfricans on the other side.
>We killed 100 bradleys and soldiers and repulsed attack
>Proofs? Are you rusophobe.
In the morning.
Goodnight /k/, I'm ready for some vatBlack cope tomorrow, wether this is an attack or just a false flag. Buh-bye, I love you all.
Is that were they plan to run into the next minefield?
QRD me on finger anons. is that some telegram?
>Losing war and need a PR stunt
>Fire a bunch of guns into the darkness
>Claim ukies trying to cross river
>Claim brave Russian defenders defeated 500 Ukrainian special forces
>Shows zero evidence
Bros, we have seen this plot before.
How many barges full of BoJo clones did they get this time?
All is for the best, in the best of all possible worlds.
Absolutely no way this is real.
All the Ukkie (and even some of the Russian) channels are calling it moronic larp by Russian troops.
And considering the multiple incidents of them massacring civilians this week, they most likely scenario is that they did it again and are just making noise to obfuscate it.
why do russian revel in and emulate rapists and murderers ?
Might be Ukraine puts major offensive action on hold and recalibrates. Maybe they end up waiting for Western aircraft.
So this...is the power...of Ukrainian offensives...
What am I looking at? I need arrows and pointed fingers.
>What am I looking at?
Shaping operations with a tenth of the available forces.
>more progress in a week then 10 months at Bakhmut
>Russia losing Bakhmut anyway
Yeah pretty good
Also if you're going to go all
>d-dill pigger cope
Like some kind of /misc/-slop slurping homosexual then I guess that means Prigozhin is a NAFO dill troony now
LAMO
> I guess that means Prigozhin is a NAFO dill troony now
He will become the puppet leader of the nato occupation government, aka supreme NOG
Yeah, I'm terrified that Russia has done it. Russia before the mass mobilization was using a mere 200,000 professional soldiers, plus whatever Wagner and the Donetsk militias contributed. 300,000 men and lord knows whatever equipment and mines just adds SO MUCH FRICKING BULLSHIT they need to fight. I think Ukraine might have been overconfident.
Plus Russians are adapting, and using smarter defensive strategies.
My biggest fear was that Russia would freeze the conflict and this very well might be exactly what happens.
the most fricking shit feast here: Pro israelite and Pro piggers literally think that if they can force russians to hang over Crimea and more then the war will stop and they can massacre all 250 million Russians into submission.. and that just because israelite Kagan clan and sleepy Joe said it..
I see you are fond of methamphetamine.
>250 million Russians
There are less then 150million Russians anon and large part of those are churkas. They have about 1/5th of European population. Did you believe there are still endless hordes of Russians like in WW2?
>and large part of those are churkas. They have about 1/5th of European population
This is bullshit. Russian are the overwhelming majority
>graph shows quarter of the population are churkas
You know that is worse than France, right?
So? It's like 3/4 russian, which isn't 1/5 like the post above claimed. That's the only thing i was arguing.
>isn't 1/5 like the post above claimed.
Not what I said moron. The whole population of Russia is about 5th of Europe. It's not an endless source of manpower like you think and they definitely don't have 250 Million people.
I didn't claim 250, and you said quote
>There are less then 150million Russians
>and large part of those are churkas
Learn to phrase your thoughts better.
>Tatars ain't churkas.
Sure m8, they are saviors of the white race and based trad Christians
This balance is only going to get worse by the way, as the Russians are actively encouraging as many Africans as possible to immigrate to Russia to fix their number of workers and to boost their demographics.
Oh, you dumb, dumb vatBlack person. Here, enlighten your benighted mind:
>https://nitter.it/kamilkazani/status/1601609737673805824
>https://nitter.it/kamilkazani/status/1553792461339824128
>https://nitter.it/kamilkazani/status/1493602653586264076
Did you count the Russian diaspora? They need TZD as well.
That might not be such a good idea if Ukraine continues to get free cruise missiles and jets to launch them. Keeping half a million men sitting in trenches to watch cruise missiles fly overhead and knock out anything of sufficient value in the occupied land is extremely expensive with no return.
The reason kharkiv and Kherson collapsed was because they just didn't have enough to man the defenses since Russia was still operating on a cheapo army where they were cutting corners. In the event of an actual war the 200,000+ professional army was meant to be augmented by hundreds of thousands of conscripts. So the "proper" Russian army didn't arrive until after the first 300,000 wave of mobilization. Ukraine killing over 200,000 Russian allied soldiers sounds impressive when they have at least 300,000 behind that and hundreds of thousands more coming.
The counter-offensive is slow going and my fear is that Ukraine will just run out of armored units and enough soldiers before making serious proress. Then it's a frozen conflict forever.
If Ukraine's keep trading like they are, Russia will run out of men again. Putin let slip that they have already lost ~60 tanks in the offensive.
>Russia will run out of men again.
Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition since Russians have just so many god damn people compared to Ukraine. They need to win a war of breaking through defenses and encircling the enemy forcing them to withdraw.
At best we're seeing 1:1 trading which is terrible. Russia does not care about losing another 100,000 mobiks, but Ukraine doesn't have that kind of numbers.
I'm hoping I'm wrong and they make slow steady gains and break through to Meriopol in a few weeks or months.
And yes, there's promises to replace all the bradleys. but there's a difference between a Bradley sitting in Utah and one in Ukraine. They might not be able to get them there fast enough.
I never said they would run out of men. I said they would break the line because they are killing them above replacement levels over the short term.
And that's not why Kherson collapsed. They had their best units there before the offensive because it was so heavily telegraphed. They knew it was coming and could not stop it.
They had their best units there but that wasn't the issue. They didn't have ENOUGH of them. The Russian army before mobilization and after are totally different beasts. They're literally just shrugging off 100,000 deaths like it's no big deal because they have hundreds of thousands more. They're completley willing to utterly frick their country's future demographics over for this because Putin is betting the big game.
I AM spelling doom because I'm terrified and hope I'm wrong. There's hints and rumors of Russia planning to withdraw from much of Zap because they can't hold it and might go scorched earth. Just level infrastructure before going. Break all the dams, and power stations, and anything worth anything. I'm terrified for the ZNPP in that case. One would HOPE it's off limits but Russians are fools.
>had their best units there but that wasn't the issue. They didn't have ENOUGH of them
That's cope. They knew the offensive was coming and they prepared for it. They got reamed.
They literally have hundreds of thousands of more soldiers now and it really makes all the difference. And grinding Wagner to dust in Bakhmut is a sacrifice they were glad to make especially since they don't count as official casualties.
Russians are actually playing a good defensive war, or at least as best as they could. Before Russian lines were being broken and then panic ensued. Here they're staying more coherent, using heavy amount of mines, and trapping heavy armor into areas where they get bogged down and hit by artillery. It's preventing fast movement of armor which is what they WANT to do.
>They literally have hundreds of thousands of more soldiers now and it really makes all the difference.
It didn't make a difference at Kherson.
>Before Russian lines were being broken and then panic ensued.
We saw the same shit at Kherson. They still folded eventually.
>They didn't have ENOUGH of them
Russia had numerical superiority in both Kherson and Kharkiv. They continue to enjoy numerical superiority both overall and locally to this day.
For Russian forces to be outnumbered, they would need to loose over 300k frontline troops.
The question is how long they're willing to maintain the proper army in the field. If they can be prevented from getting a return on the investment, eventually they will give up.
Anon, they are ages past that point. They are ok with damaging their country for generations. The point is if they are willing to have a civil war and balkanize their country.
They could only handle it for about 10 years in Afghanistan, and that was a cheaper occupation plus the Soviet Union was a lot bigger than just Russia.
Anon, Putin himself came out and announced that they don't have enough equipment to arm the army they currently have. And if Der Große Monke said this publicly on Russian State TV, then things have clearly gotten desperate for them.
So this is it. Soldiers don't turn up at the recruiting station with their own rifles and vehicles, although that might a requirement soon. You can't fight a modern, mechanised force in nothing but tracksuits and flatcaps and win, regardless of how many mobiks you throw at the problem.
>I think Ukraine might have been overconfident.
Nah.
>Russians are adapting,
Hahahahahaha.
>My biggest fear
Loled at the concern troll. The glavset, the glavset never changes.
once they get past the defences it'll go faster
>Haha Your offensive isn't taking ground fast enough! Check mate atheists!!
Amazing how Russia army changed from we can take all of nato and be in Warsaw/Berlin/Paris in days to this.. if any one told me before the war that the vatnigs would be proud to hold back a offensive at some places I would have thought you are insane.
>Ha! The Marines are holding back the Mexican offensive!
Can you fricking imagine?
>the Fallschirmjägers are holding back the polish offensive
>americans spamming image of that one t90 they managed to disable
Soon, everyone will know the ass
Which ass? The ass in the ass or the ass with the ass in it?
No, no, no. It's the ass that was fully mobilised.
They can't. Wether they win or not is irrelevant. Their future is that of North Korea. Enjoy.
>you do realize that [insert obviously bullshit claim] right?
You can frick off to NK literally any time you like.
The second eyebrow is being raised
It's happening
Putin seems very reluctant to do another major mobilization. They're already short of workers. They've already rounded up the dregs of society nobody cares about. And the ruble faces collapse. It won't be pretty.
>They've already rounded up the dregs of society nobody cares about.
I think it's just literally randoms. I keep hearing stories of lawyers, dentists, and doctors, being sent out to die in trenches. It's utter madness. I mean their demographics are fricked either way.
btw, shit like Bangladesh makes no god damn sense. Too many people in shit plains that flood all the time? I say that the country should be banned from having more than 20 million people and everyone shipped to Ukraine, China, and Russia, to help even out demographics.
Seems they took anyone too dumb to show up to the summons, which excluded anyone with half a brain and/or a support network of people who cared about them to help them dodge.
*so dumb as to show up / get caught (too dumb not to)
Oh their demographics are so fuuuuuuuuuucked (but so is Ukraine's). Like 50% at least of the people who have fled both countries are never coming back. And those who fled Russia are young couples who have given up on the system, or young men fleeing conscription - the young people who are just utterly VITAL for their countries demographics. Where the frick are they getting soldiers in the future?
Best case scenario is they freeze Ukraine, but then what? 200,000+ force in perpetuity in Ukraine manning defenses? That's a huge cost in and of itself. How are they going to defend their own borders and internal conflicts?
Someone in dumbfrickistanshi is going to realize the army is nowhere to be found and will declare themselves an indenepdnet Republic and beg USA or China to fund them. Oh and this republic will just happen to sit on a pile of fricking Uranium, oil, gas, rare earth minerals, etc.
>200,000+ force in perpetuity in Ukraine manning defenses?
Is even that adequate? That was about the size of the force back when Kharkiv happened.
To be fair, iirc Kharkiv happened because most of the troops were stationed in Kherson and Donbas, which is why Ukraine was able to cut through Kharkiv quick and easy. That's also why Russia started drafting people so that they don't have big gaps in their defenses anymore. And in Kherson and now in Zap it's taking Ukraine long and methodical operations to starve the enemy out by striking the supply lines to force them out. And it's gonna get harder the more land they reclaim, because that would mean more consolidation of troops in the occupied territory.
>That's also why Russia started drafting people so that they don't have big gaps in their defenses anymore
That's exactly what I mean, is 200k enough to man the line without exploitable gaps?
It's probably not impossible if they can just dig in there in perpetuity and Ukraine isn't getting any more artie shells to continuously turn them into crispy bacon. If we're talking Russia forced back into Donbas, including occupied territory, and Crimea then yeah. Trying to force them out is gonna be a meat grinder.
Shipping Bangladeshis all over is cruel and unusual punishment for the receiving country.
Anon all Russians are dregs of society no one cares about.
>3km outside their starting point
WOAH, i love the counteroffensive now!
>more territory captured in a week than Russia took in the last 9 months
O O F
the best part of the war has been seeing how drones have fricked everything up
It's kind of weird to think that a multi million dollar Russian tank has a losing matchup against a $100 hobby drone with some grenades and a guy watching a ididathing tutorial