Federal courts have struck down the ATF 'ghost gun' regulation. 80% kits are back on the table.
I don't care if you think this is political, it's important news for the gunsmiths on here.
Federal courts have struck down the ATF 'ghost gun' regulation. 80% kits are back on the table.
Based, I guess
Doesn’t proving in court that lowers aren’t firearms just make it easier to regulate and restrict because it sets president that they don’t fall under the 2nd amendment?
>precedence**
I’m very dyslexic
No? Why would you think that.
The homosexual ATF tried to redefine a gun as 'whatever we say it is'. Obviously that is a dangerous circumstance, and fortunately they have been BTFOd by a court that knows its arse from its head. They're scum and will try to enforce it in the short term anyway, but one step at a time.
Idk. Wouldn’t make sense that if you have the right to bear arms, that you would want as many things as possible to count as ‘arms’. So it would fall under the same protection. Especially with how many states are going constitutional carry and the rise of ‘originalists’
2nd ammendment is absolutely no protection at all unless it has the force of the courts backing it up, it is not law in and of itself within a common law system. Its a constant struggle.
Pedophile democrats and their gun grabbing ATF lackeys tried to bring 'literally anything' into their jurisdiction and were proven false.
As a firearm they fall under the ATF which isn't friendly to us. Setting unfinished firearms outside any current gun laws, it would require an act of Congress to regulate them. Since a random piece of pipe would fall under any definition of unfinished firearm, there's no law that can regulate them.
Lowers are firearms. Unfinished lowers aren't lowers.
>Lowers are firearms
ATF wants you to believe this despite the fact that lowers don't meet the definition of firearm. They dropped charges against this guy because his defense would have gutted the Gun Control Act of 1968 if he were found not guilty.
https://archive.is/B2ycb
Shit the frick up, dude. We want lowers to be the serialized part.
ARs wouldn't HAVE a serialized part, NO part of an AR fits the definition. It wouldn't become a gun at all until you assembled it.
>ARs wouldn't HAVE a serialized part
No, you'd see the laws being almost immediately rewritten and potentially ending up worse than they are today, because even among people who vote Republican the idea of people being able to buy a gun without a serial number or background check over the internet and have it shipped to their door won't be popular.
Access to firearms parts and ammo is constitutionally protected as they are a prerequisite to bearing arms.
No because legally they’re a block of metal and trying to make every block of metal that’s vaguely shaped like an AR lower is impossible
It removes them from the ATFs jurisdiction. Not that they should be making defacto laws anyways.
If they want to regulate lowers they will need to regulate blocks of metal in general
Congress would need to pass a law doing so, which they won't
Supreme Court fricking overturned Roe v Wade and blackpillers still will b***h about it
The key point is that if they aren't firearms than the ATF has no jurisdiction on them. Congress could possibly do so but it's unlikely and would probably be unenforceable.
>we live in an age where you can directly tell the President to frick off
what a time to be alive
Not gonna listen to what some judge says.
I am still gonna regulate 80% receivers and close businesses selling ghost guns, sorry.
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ughhh i forgor this isnt a ukraini/russian politics thread so it isnt allowed
The difference is one serves a purpose outside of firearms. That’s why it was easier to ban brass knuckles than knives.
I don’t know what other purpose you could argue in good faith an incomplete receiver has
>I don’t know what other purpose you could argue in good faith an incomplete receiver has
Sure, a Polymer80 frame has no real value outside of the fact that you can modify it into a working gun, but the legal arguments falls more on what would you call a 'readily convertible' firearm. There's nothing in legislation defining the term, and the courts have been all over the place. Currently you can argue a block of aluminum or a steel pipe can be considered readily convertible. The ATF tried to use "We know what a readily convertible firearm is when we see it" but the court wasn't having it.
https://gununiversity.com/readily-converted/
Anything going on with the arm brace ban?
Depends how long you haven't been paying attention, FPC & GOA got injunctions against the ban but only for their members but that was a month ago. NRA tried to get one too but their usual tactic of show up a day late and a dollar short got them burned and the judge told them to pound sand.
Kinda lost interested in the hobby, sadly. so i haven't really been keeping up. thanks, anon!
>summary judgement
something tells me this is just an activist judge trying to pull some shit and it will be walked back on appeal.
Who even cares anymore? If you were to pay any attention to Supreme Court rulings beyond just the basic "hurr we're winning" you'd see it becoming increasingly clear that the good days are numbered, and things are going to flip hard the other way soon.
Whatever makes it easier to kill children, I'm all for it
While this is a good ruling the truth is that America won't be free until all 3 letter agencies are disbanded and their leadership jailed on treason charges
I live in scenic Montana in the deep south of America's heartland and the war in Ukraine has made the price of buckwheat very expensive.
>Montana
>the deep south of America's heartland
based and Canada belongs to America pilled
How the frick does the ATF and NFA even get enforced, literally just don't comply or hang around snitches.
Women.
>just never shoot your gun so no one else can see that you're violating the law
What's the point of even having the gun then?
Who said anything about not shooting, if you're part of a shooting club with a charter develop an anti federalist culture and ostracize LE and snitches.
If you own land then don't worry
I'd you're at a public range and someone asks for a tax stamp tell them to frick off, ATF field agents don't exist outside their air conditioned offices.
>if you're part of a shooting club, develop the exact culture that will attract attention of those enforcing the laws
>private property, no trespassing, where's your warrant? Frick off
Simple as
You do realize they'd just get someone to join and frequent the range, just like they get people to infiltrate and join militias.
Most of the private shooting clubs near me aren't open to new members and their books are closed. It doesn't seem too far fetched to have a group of 20 dues paying members who chip in to maintain a private club similar to how most hunting leases are operated. Just vet your members and have thorough background checks conducted. Feds are lazy idiots like the rest of us and the idea that they're super spies or extremely intelligent is flawed, hell they work for the government!
>It doesn't seem too far fetched to have a group of 20 dues paying members who chip in to maintain a private club
I guess if you just want a shitty bare bones range.