Everyone shits on the battle of winterfell but noone dares to bring up this miscarriage of a charge.

Everyone shits on the battle of winterfell but noone dares to bring up this miscarriage of a charge.
>massive charge of light cavalry armed with random weapons (some got swords, some spears, others bows etc)
>everyone rides so close to each other the slightest jolt would cause a domino effect with hundreds stampeding each other to death, not to mention the fact that they cant fucking maneuver
>first they smash into a serrated line of pikes with legions of archers behind
>somehow they arent annihilated immediatly/rotting, and everyone goes to a prolonged melee
>then house sized elephants approach, and they fucking charge again, but this time, they get rekt and only win through deus ex machina

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unironically nearly ruined the movie for me. Especially the dumb deus ex. Does the extended fix this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what was the deus ex? The witch king dying?

      its a fantasy movie not master and commander

      the original book didnt have that and even in the two towers they showed how much better the battles and CGI could be its really unfortunate

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what deus ex?
        I'm thinking the ghosts Aragorn brought that swept the battlefield and the city clean. Weren't they just flesh-and-blood humans in the book? It's been years since I read it so I forget.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          forgot about that yeah
          I don't remember much of that scene in the book or really the third one overall

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In the book he used the ghosts to murder and commandeer the whole southern pirate fleet as it tried to roll up the coast towards Minas Tirith, then used it to bring an army gathered from Gondor's fiefs to the siege in time.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >then used it to bring an army gathered from Gondor's fiefs to the siege in time.
            damn why wasn't that in the movie
            I wish we saw more of the gondorian soldiers fighting in the battle or on other fronts it seems like they were hardly there outside of the few siege scenes

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Note the fiefs are also supposed to be a whole lot more varied than the mostly Minas Tirith-raised troops we're seeing in the movies.

              Anything from superheavy cavalry (Dol MAroth Swan Knights) to pikemen to expies of scottish highlanders armed with two-handed swords.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry but GamesWorkshop figures are not accurate representations of soldiers described in the books.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >damn why wasn't that in the movie
              because then we would have to cover the entire kerfuffle with the corsairs and their attacks on Southern Gondor, adding another hour to the film.
              also, spooky ghosts look cool.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/aK3o5PD.png

              >damn why wasn't that in the movie
              because then we would have to cover the entire kerfuffle with the corsairs and their attacks on Southern Gondor, adding another hour to the film.
              also, spooky ghosts look cool.

              this, and also i would guess that the cgi for the ghosts was cheaper than hiring more people to be the new army

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The ghosts scare off the Corsairs and then Aragon and co use the ships to carry Gondorian reinforcements.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its a fantasy movie not master and commander

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tolkien is fantasy too and his original material didn't have this retardation

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tolkien is fantasy too and his original material didn't have this retardation
        After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Oromë the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. His golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and the darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken.
          Sounds like a typical wedge formation, with Theoden in front, Eomer right behind, and the rest of the cavalry trailing their leader.
          >and the darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them.
          Seems like the cavalry only attacked the orcs once the latter broke formation and started fleeing.

          I don't see the issue with your passage. There's no retardation, since the cavalry don't seem to charge into well-formed pikes in your cited paragraph. What are you complaining about, exactly?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it also omits the context of them charging into an unaware flank of the army. sounds like someone just trying to pretend like they've read it but actually criticizing the jackson depiction of the scene tbh

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/nwryl1M.jpg

          >charging your cavalry directly into a prepared pike & shield formation is a stupid idea
          Lmao not my problem your frilly horses can't climb a shieldwall, dumb surfacedweller

          >After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken.
          Sounds like a typical wedge formation, with Theoden in front, Eomer right behind, and the rest of the cavalry trailing their leader.
          >and the darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them.
          Seems like the cavalry only attacked the orcs once the latter broke formation and started fleeing.

          I don't see the issue with your passage. There's no retardation, since the cavalry don't seem to charge into well-formed pikes in your cited paragraph. What are you complaining about, exactly?

          iirc in the books the orcs prepared trenches around their camp to counter a cavalry charge and this troubled the Rohirrim commanders.
          The reason why the charge succeeded was because the Druedain showed them a secret path throigj Mount Mindolluin. Once they poured out through the secret mountain pass it surprised the orcs and they didnt get into proper formation in time.
          Also, it was said Theoden rode hard into battle like the Vala Orome, which if I was an orc would probably make me flee.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tolkien actually loved the whole retarded idea of a head on cavalry charge defeating pikemen even though pikemen are a hard counter to cavalry charges since the horses, you know, fucking die.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm no Tolkien scholar, but are the massed cavalry charges against static pike defenses meant to mirror his experiences of ww1 charges into no man's land to occupied defensive lines?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol magic horses magic men, get fucked swordtuber

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know about pikes in the book, but did you those 'pikes' in the movie?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    t. Gothmog

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its an incredibly well filmed and put together spectacle with Theoden giving a rousing speech, and the accompanying musical score. I can think of any film that has such a huge cavalry charge features since.
    While the battle of Winterfell is a dark, dismal scene that is confusingly shot, edited, and a lot of the action is off screen. All this leads to people not enjoying it and questioning the retarded shit going on.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this tbh
      it doesn't have to be realistic, fiction often isn't, but you have to be able to understand what they're going for.
      It was well done and intelligible.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this crap on /w when the jannies are not allowing constructive discussion of gun control which SHOULD be on /w and not on /pol since while gun control laws are politically incorrect discussion of there existence and removal is not.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /w/ seems like the right place for gun control discussion

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Debt!

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anon I think youre dumb

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >charging your cavalry directly into a prepared pike & shield formation is a stupid idea
    Lmao not my problem your frilly horses can't climb a shieldwall, dumb surfacedweller

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was enjoying the battle scenes in BoTFA until the elves jumped over the shield wall.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bring it up all the time

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cavalry charges were typically very densely packed with horses almost touching for maximum mass. If you space the riders out too much then the effect of the impact is lessened and it's much easier for multiple footmen to deal with a single rider.
    I do agree they should have used lances instead of random weapons but the Orcs weren't exactly set up to resist a Cavalry charge given they are literal 4 foot tall manlets with tiny spears and rusty swords.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *heavy* cavalry charges. the rohirrim are skirmishers at best. skirmishers didn't charge like that unless it was to scare a flank

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i mean, that was a pretty wide open flank all things considered

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh for fucks sake.

    >first they smash into a serrated line of pikes with legions of archers behind
    If your supermen and superhorses can pulverize spearmen, this isnt a problem. These horses are descended from magical bloodlines and in the film charge down like a 70 degree slope at forty miles an hour without problems. They can also Gallop for three days straight, which would kill any horse on earth ten times over.
    >then house sized elephants approach, and they fucking charge again, but this time, they get rekt and only win through deus ex machina
    If you actually watch, Theoden makes a snap decision, having no idea what the fuck he's looking at, just trying to keep momentum and morale. While the initial charge fails dramatically, most of the Rohirim survive and are actually doing very well against the giant elephants after that, riding around them in circles and hacking and shooting at them.
    Considering none of them had ever seen giant giga-elephants before and they had about two minutes to work out how to fight them, they did phenomenally well.

    Winterfell is a thousand times dumber.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      iirc only Shadowfax descended from Nahar. The rest of the horses were your average horses.

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