- it's not invisible at all. It's super visible
- it has a radar signature. It's not even invisible to radar
- it can be attacked and shot down like any other plane
- the F35 offers zero protection against any anti-aircraft fire like a 35mm shell exploding next to it.
- 'stealth' is a scam
- your plane has a huge Infrared signature, trivial to shoot down
- all the plane can do is bomb clueless Afghan peasants with zero anti-aircraft capabilities. But they'd still win their war. Ouch. Big ouch.
- it's over for you
>it's another seething poor thread
Enjoy being shellac'ed by invisible aircraft from 200 miles away, foreigner.
Invisible huh?
Yes. BVR it is invisible, at close range it has the signature of a bird.
It has countermeasures and coatings for IR reduction.
The F35 also networks with other weapons and sensors, so good luck hiding from the hellfire missle coming from no where and hitting your SAM or MANPAD if a child drone or other weapon detects you.
It's just Dennis the seething diasporamoron menace.
Not this time. Unfortunately we have more than one obsessed schizo regularly doing drivebys.
Russia has been oscillating between two extremes for the past 30 years.
>stealth is a scam, stealth is useless, don't get cocky stupid Americans
>our next-gen stealth aircraft is better than yours
I are demorarized
>Russian non stealthy crafts are killed left and right
>stealth is a scam!
Ok, vatnik.
>stealth makes rad-ACK!
Based as fuck. Saved
zero shame samefag. This image is old as fuck. Imagine clinging on to this so hard. Russians are known for Vodka, but what are Serbs known for?
Russian semen.
>what are Serbs known for?
>Russian semen.
>tfw your only accomplishment of note since the beginning of time is shooting down (one) plane.
A stealth plane. Proving OP correct.
Because he kept flying using the same vector of attack
If they changed it even fucking slightly this wouldn't have happened.
Tying to explain it away
Try to explain to me how it stopped the serbmorons from getting bombed?
They won
Anon I hate to break it to you but Yugoslavia ceased to exist.
Taliban won.
I didn't know that NATO was fighting the Taliban in Yugoslavia.
>get dunked on by America for 20 years even when they had just a skeleton crew in your country
>Attack only when they’re mid-leaving anyways and don’t even fight them just the Afghans
>Declare victory over America
They send US boys home in coffins.
Talk about persistence, preserverence. Talk about grit. Talk about courage.
The Taliban had it and they won.
Honestly the Afghan victory over the Soviets was much more impressive considering that they actually fought them and managed to kick them out in like half the time.
I'd say it was equally impressive. Didn't they also throw out the British earlier? Not sure
Nah, actively fighting off a world superpower and inflicking three times the casualties is much more impressive than running away to another county and squatting in caves.
And look what that got them, they now have to rule their land and already half of their admins are moaning that they’re just like the Americans now.
Not quite like Americans
Girls have to be modest again. Brides are virgins again.
No more feminism. No more pride flags.
Girls are married at 13.
Actually a paradise.
>Pedophile
Every time lol
> Another virgin muttoid cuck
Doesn't surprise me at all
So are you for or against virgins?
You know what I’ll take being a mutt over wanting to be a pedo.
You can fling all the shit you want, but you’ll always be a sub-human troglodyte
I'm European. Enough said.
>
You're a russmongol diaspora mutt
'Dennis' spam incoming in 3 ... 2 ... 1
Thanks for bumping I guess
Behold mind of an incel
/k/tards laughing about inceldom
>PrepHoletards laughing about inceldom
Don't you have some coeds to kill since you'll never get their attention anon?
Just don't use a gun, that's all I ask. Retards like you are the worst for gun rights
>Girls are married at 13.
Ew.
I really don't get these nu-sharia gays who idolise the constant marital abuse and the absolutely retarded social dynamics of sandmoron societies
Incel energy. They actually talk about being "assigned" girlfriends over on 4chan because they're too fucking scared to actually start up a conversation with a female.
The very only place with a higher share of hopeless incel virgins than 4chan is PrepHole
Sick diss, shitskin. Now go back to seeing if you can simp up a girlfriend online by offering her uggs and ipad.
Having a young, fertile and devoted girl as your wife ready to get pregnant is now bad.
Execpt it's not.
>They only way I can get a woman is if she’s 10 and I regularly get to beat her into submitting
That's all well and nice
But don't you stop and consider that every single society that lives like that is a complete shithole that is chock full of sexualy repressed insecure gays(aka Arabs) who constantly fuck each other and little boys.
Not to mention that abusing the mother of your children to make her ""devoted"" just breeds dysgenic and amoral people. But I guess I don't need to explain you that since it's so very obvious that none of you Sharia gays ever had anything close to a normal childhood or a supportive healthy family.
bros i hate nonces so much
Ultra mega hot. Just admit it. Don't be shy
If you were 13 too, it would be pretty optimal. But since you guys are clearly a couple of fat, lonely, creepy aging men, it's just weird and disturbing.
It's not weird. A strong muscular and tall (also hung) virile man (it's me) with a faithful and fertile young wife is the perfect way to go. No feminist crazyness, no pink hair, no gender confusion just pure raw biology.
Post body+chin+height
That's the onther thing.
These delusional fags think that they would actually get "assigned" their perfect Qt teen tradwife instead of them getting whatever chick they had at hand or more likely not getting anything and resorting to molesting boys and eachother.
>Girls are married at 13.
>Actually a paradise.
Cuck detected. Too scared to ask out a young and cute potential wife
I like women my own age anon so the two year difference between me and her is perfect
I can actually land women within my age bracket, I know that's a foreign concept to pedophiles
I've had so many woman of all ages.
For breeding purposes you want young woman. Just a fact of life. Concept is called biology.
>I've had so many woman of all ages.
No, no you haven't
>For breeding purposes you want young woman. Just a fact of life. Concept is called biology.
That doesn't mean a fuckin child retard Jesus Christ
You just want an excuse to fuck kids
If we are talking breeding purposes then a woman that is 18-25 years old is the best for childbearing, not that you incel gays know or care about this
>thinks marrying actual children is acceptable.
Suck start a shotgun. Actual scum.
>Girls have to be modest again.
>Actually a paradise.
In paradise, the titties don't get hidden under five layers of clothing.
>Girls are married at 13.
not only do you bother animals your also a nonce
NATO? they sure did
Let's talk Afghanistan
> F35: the plane which lost the war
>let's talk Afghanistan
Okay, those goatfuckers sure did rape the Soviets hard enough that their entire state collapsed, after taking three times the casualties that the coalition took in just half the time lol.
They won at getting bombed maybe.
In what way?
Automation threatens the individuality-lacking Chinese prole with obsolescence.
Not really. I just like seeing the US btfo other countries' militaries. I watched the Gulf War on TV when I was a kindergartener, got hooked, and now thirty years later, I can't orgasm unless I'm thinking about SEAD/DEAD operations.
Ahh the Wimp Lo school of strategy
Its 'Trying', ESL
Tying is when you tie something together, like rope. Which I wish you have a nice day on some right now.
>‘First the Complacency. This was on the part of the US Air Force, and joint allied forces. The routes used by the F-117s during the shoot down had been flown previously multiple times. This contrary to the F-117 operations in the 91 war where they flew into Baghdad, never repeating the same inbound track consecutively.
>‘Perhaps this was due to over confidence in their equipment, and air superiority. During Operation Allied Force...it was standard operating procedure (SOP) for all strike missions to be accompanied by electronic warfare aircraft [EA-6B Prowlers]. These aircraft flew with strike missions to detect, jam, and destroy enemy radar installations.
>‘Unfortunately, on the day Vega 31 would be taken out of the sky, the Prowlers were grounded due to weather. The decision was made for the F-117s to fly their strike mission unsupported.
>‘Worse yet, the Yugoslavian anti air forces knew that the Prowlers were grounded, and knew that the F-117s were going to fly a strike mission anyway. How did they know? Because the Serbs had spotters and human intelligence assets in Italy, where the strike missions were flying from. They had also compromised NATO communications in the area, and had civilian source in Italy feeding them intelligence who had access to operational information. In short, the NATO forces had a massive failure in operation security, OPSEC, that was feeding valuable data to the enemy. The Serbs knew the strike was coming, knew the general route, and knew the F-117s would be flying without electronic warfare support.
There's more (https://theaviationgeekclub.com/an-in-depth-analysis-of-how-serbs-were-able-to-shoot-down-an-f-117-stealth-fighter-during-operation-allied-force/) but I'm not wasting my time to pass it all along
The F-35 meanwhile is its own very potent EW support. It can also spot ground targets with passives incredibly far out and change its route.
If stealth doesn't work why would the US spend so much on the B-2 and B-21, which are quite slow. The whole concept behind the thing is that it can't be detected at all easily or targeted effectively. Obviously they have tried detecting and targeting it with their own AA.
As well all know losing one piece of military tech in combat makes it worthless that’s why no-one builds tanks, helicopters, or drones anymore…
2 f-117s were hit in serbia. Burgermutts hate admitting this and often just outright lie about it
>Wow two whole planes
Maybe you guys should shoot another world leader and finish that job of Chinese and African domination you started in 1914
Are you actually telling me that out of the dozens of air missions carried out DEEP inside Serbia, serbs only managed to hit two planes? And only down one? Wtf I thought Serbs were cool, I hate them now.
guy who did it (a Hungarian, btw) also damage a second one that made it back to base but was written off as a total loss
he also claims he's destroyed an F-16 and hit what was probably a B-2 but those were never confirmed by Americans
>it wasn't even a serb that shot it down
FFS they really can't do anything right
The second f117 hit was never officially acknowledged either, because it would totally expose the cope story the u.s made up about why the first one was hit
wait, what's the cope story?
the open bomb bay shit?
Yes, and “flying the exact same route with no prowlers”
The second f117 was hit after that, and to make things worse it also had EW aircraft with it.
>Yes, and “flying the exact same route with no prowlers”
I'd love to see you refute
then roach, bring evidence too I'm sure you have plenty that'll stand up
Sure, how about an interview with the actual wingman of the second f117 that was hit
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999
How does this dispute the story of the first?
I'd say notice how I didn't dispute the second (I dispute the third that is sometimes claimed) but I know reading, especially in your non-native language can be hard
If you had the powers of reading comprehension or deduction youd be able to notice that the circumstances of the second shootdown had absolutely nothing in common with the first, and that there were no long qualifications about “flying the exact same route”. This obviously calls into question the actual supposed stealth capabilities of the plane, and the u.s official reasoning of why the first shootdown was such an extraordinary 1 in a million event
Get it now?
Ignore
, I fucked up
Your speculations arent evidence though, you've done nothing to refute the first story
oof
>no evidence provided about the topic at hand (shoot down number one)
Fuckin retard
>it wasn’t even an ethnic Serb who accomplished their only feat
Holy kek, cuck nation
>Haha an ethnic magyar fought for serbs what cucks
>OMG thank you to the 100,000+ morons in the army
It took a hungarian to bring it down though. Serbs were too stupid to do anything about it.
Also the AAA office who did it is ethnic Hungarian
did it stop serbdogs from getting bombed though?
it got shot down the moment it wasn't stealthy however.
Now do one for Belgrade
Based and 1337
Oh my fucking god.
Blessed thread
> Mega ultra giga checked
>serbs
>the eternal russmoron cum guzzlers
no (you) from me serbmoron
Post Sarajevo
Sorry we didn’t know Kosovo je Serbia. Greetings from NATO
tl:dr they can be shot down pretty comfortably
Getting your capital bombed relentlessly is pretty far from comfort
Not for a roach, they feel right at home among rubble and ruin
they seem to be pretty angry about it nonetheless
Fair, but I would be too if they only time my nation was militarily relevant, or just relevant at all for that matter, was when US decided to do some pest control
So they just let their country be bombed into the ground for fun?
>get your entire country reduced to rubble
>shoot down 1 plane with extreme luck
>that's a good trade according to s*rbs
This is why you bros are so poor.
>Serbia shoots down a 1st-generation stealth bomber a full decade after the USAF adopted a 2nd-generation stealth bomber.
>The bombing of Belgrade continues uninterrupted.
>It's still the greatest Serbian military victory since 1358.
>Lol.
thats why syrian ad shot down all the joo f-35s already, right?
Corrupt and defunct army embattled in a civil war, also broke and dysfunctional
they have russian advisors and s300/pantsir hand-me-downs
it doesn't count okay?
Not only this, but Israel was flying 6,000 sorties a year at some points, at times right through Russian owned and operated AA. Even if Russia didn't want to shoot down an Israeli fighters (and I think Russia would actually love to shoot down an F-35 if they had an excuse), they also weren't earning targets they wanted to protect in time for them to get to shelter.
Russian AA has proven plenty effective against Russian aircraft in Ukraine so it's not that it is totally useless either.
Obviously Israel has favorable terrain, can hide in noise from commercial traffic, and historically has had excellent pilots with a better track record in Western hardware than the West, but it seems like the fighter itself is part of the long track record of success.
Russia is not using the S300s in syria for anything except political posturing. It was a major international incident when they actually turned on the radar of those s300s one time and almost locked up an isreali jet as it was leaving the airspace.
Shut the fuck up about muh 6000 sorties over equipment that isnt even turned on
>almost
So they didn't?
>always turned off
what use is if if it's fucking turned off lmao
I told you. Political posturing. Its there to show assad has big boy backing from russia
Did that backing stop herb F35s from bombing the shit out of Syria?
Nope, just like u.s systems didnt stop russia bombing the shit out of it either. I told you, the major powers all have an agreement in syria to leave each other alone, they kill each others proxies only.
Who even benefits from these threads? Usually bait threads have a slant towards a certain nation or bloc, but this anti-stealth thing doesn't make sense when any nation that currently projects power (or wishes to) has a stealth fighter or is currently "developing" one. Make it make sense please
It's someone smarter than you pointing out unpleasant facts.
Disprove OP or gtfo, Sherlock
Samefag.
wumao turds. It is working hours in the beijing time zone, only one in the entire shitheap. Spreading propaganda shit just like vatniks spread firehood of falsehoods to confuse and demoralize. Simply as they dont have anything that actually is comparable to the western ubertech. Just hulls shaped to resemble the actual working as intended machines while still strapping poor copies of already shit soviet engines
hey I recognize that robodog
haven't seen this cope in a while, guess your ban finally expired
Who's ban and why would OP be banned? No rule is violated obviously
antisemitism is banned on PrepHole
Hehehehe
don't be coy, we know this isn't the first time
And yet everyone with the money and resources to pursue a stealth fighter program is scrambling to either make one.
I'll bite.
military grade aircraft mounted radars aren't fully reliable even on aircraft with huge RCS like the eagle, adding stealth to the picture makes everything even more muddied.
stealth/heat diffusing nozzles are a thing on the f-22 and f-35 to protect it further against fox-2s if it ever gets WVR.
> Blablabla everything OP said is essentially true
Thanks
>stealth/heat diffusing nozzles are a thing on the f-22 and f-35 to protect it further against fox-2s if it ever gets WVR.
foxes live on the ground and cannot fly, so I don't think those will be much of a threat to the planes
these are fox-2s they upgraded and got wings
another day, another thread by the same OP whos country cant in to stand off and C4ISTAR
Considering you lost in Afghanistan I'd rather say nothing. You're a loser. Can't even beat Afghanistan
McDonald's in Afghanistan and mujihadeens bitching about wageslavery. American cultural victory
They threw out globhomo.
Cheap lithium put a smartphone into your hands and enslaved the brains of you and your cattle family. Cultural victory achieved.
>mujihadeens bitching about wageslavery
I thought you were joking but holy shit they really are disillusioned that a desk job isn't as fun as jihad
USA always wins baby.
aww geez.
AA so good and travels with tanks so well it can’t… defeat Turkish drones
Yet Vietnam is today a low key US ally in SEA and capitalistic as fuck under the commie larp.
The US were retards, but they got the last laugh, just like in Afghanistan.
Holy cow over 3000 planes lost
Vietnam is closer to WW2 than current day... Wait, Vietnam is closer to WORLD WAR 1 than Le current year
I look forward to your military getting btfo'd by the US, your shitty country occupied for twenty years, and all the cultural values you hate being imposed on you, right up until the day you inflict the type of defeat on us that we will keep forgetting we suffered. Then afterwards, life in your county will instantly become worse in every way imaginable, your economy crumbles into nothing, an endless civil war breaks out, all the infrastructure we built you for free gets ruined through neglect/incompetence/deliberate destruction, everyone with two brain cells to rub together flees, and when all is said is done, three full generations of your people have their lives ruined--- with 98% of it being self-inflicted--- all because you had to mouth off.
Definitely hit a nerve.
>battered for 20 years as an insurgency
'we won'
F35 flys faster then AA shells
F35 can hover
Faster than the shell ? That's cute.
AA shells exit the barrel at about Mach 3. Very high velocity, but this also drops off rapidly (hence ceilings at like 11,000 feet).
Depending on how high the F-35 is flying it might well indeed be moving faster. It could also just go too high to be effected.
Irrelevant. The AA system would calculate the trajectory accordingly.
If you fly very high that's even more risky.
>Soviet AA guns had an effective range of 3000m
>F-35 has a flight ceiling of roughly 15,000 meters
How will they avoid these wonder weapons
Sure fly very high and make yourself a huge target for AA missles.
Best bet is flying low
>What is stealth
Weak reply. Stealth aircrafts have been shot down casually in the past
> Stealth aircrafts have been shot down casually in the past
Lol. Lmao.
>causally
>needed spies looking at the airfield to say when the F-117 was taking off
>the F-117 had to be complacent and fly the exact same routes as it had before
>the SAM operator couldn’t find the aircraft after 2 radar scans, and had to perform a 3rd (which he was instructed not to do so by superiors to minimize risk of SEAD detecting him)
>miraculously picks up the F-117 when the bomb bays were open
>while it was making a bank
>casually
Cope.
See
>See
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999
Still has nothing to do with shootdown number one retard
>but muh fantasies
have a nice day
they shot the same aircraft model anon, and there was no "no growlers, same route, muh spies" cope in that one. Face it, they managed to crack the code sonehow
>and there was no "no growlers, same route, muh spies" cope in that one
Because it was a different shootdown, which is why it's irrelevant to our conversation you fuckin nonce
Either produce your evidence for what you believe caused the first one or accept you have none and shut the fuck up
>Face it, they managed to crack the code sonehow
Jesus H Christ anon, we lost all of fuckin two
They didn't crack shit, they got lucky once and we handed them one on a silver platter
If a minor B-tier country in Europe (corrupt, tiny, broke, no military track record) can pull it off than yes that's fairly casual. It means China will be able to do the same execpt scaled up by a factor of 1000 or so.
>shooting down one plane because the USAF got complacent and stopped following protocol after 38,000 successful sorties means it’s casual and easy for China to do
Holy retardation. Kys dennis.
Dennis thread confirmed? Why is he always winning?
>being retarded is winning
Only in your dreams
He's continuesly rocking page one, creating tons of engagement and debate. Kinda makes you think is he a gifted kid or what?
Well, I guess that you could call a dozen people continually calling you a mongoloid retard "engagement"
>chinaman thinks his colonels can perform at a basic 2nd world European standard
If they’re so easy to shoot down why did the Serbs only hit 2? Or the Iraqis down them all over during Desert Storm?
Good luck seeing it up there bud.
Even the U2 was shot down. Ultra mega high.
>shoots down a non-stealth plane
>somehow relevant to a discussion on stealth
You tried to deflect to flight ceiling. Didn't work. Just admit defeat already
>Post incorrect information about AA guns being able to beam a stealth plane no matter where it is
>Well then missiles!
>Stealth craft further away from radars are harder to see because of physics
>Well AA shot down non-stealth plane going high!
I’m not the one moving goal posts
Never said any of this. I said you've got two options
- fly low, get attacked by AA gun firing 1200 RPM with a 5km range
- fly high, get attacked by AA missles
By your own logic since AA clearly always has the upper hand and can’t be spoofed or fooled by stealth at all. No country should ever develop aircraft since AA means that won’t survive
Yet every major power still is and all are going for stealth… strange
Thanks for summarizing my point
In other words “I’m trolling or a genuine retard”. Not sure which
Now this is what we call moving goalposts
Correct.
RCS of U2 is about 100 times the new bomber drones and back then they thought moving super fast would keep them safer. Actually it makes you say easier to spot.
It got hot as fuck while the newer aircraft are stealth for IR too.
> stealth for IR too.
You just made that up. Modern IR seekers have never been more sensitive. Impossible to hide a jet engine. Extremely hot. Completely impossible to hide.
>Just made it up.
LOL, IR stealth has been a thing since the fucking Nighthawk and only gotten better.
You can do lots of things with heat sinks, mixing cool air, etc. The F-35 IR signature is fucking tiny compared to non-stealth fighters.
You can also use decoys. Decoy + significantly lower signal + blanket and area in noise can dramatically fuck with modern IR seekers.
Pic related is a big ass IFV spoofing a car's IR signature.
IR camo is currently a bit of a meme for personnel because it is heavy, but not for vehicles.
The F35 IR signature is massive. You've got a rocket engine emitting gasses over a thousand degrees hot. Hiding this will never work.
No one said it is invisible, but it looks like a fucking cloud except a small area off the back and even that is greatly reduced.
And this isn't the even the stealth bombers/drones that can reduce even more.
Sir that is more than enough for a IR seeker to destroy the aircraft
>Yup doesn’t work, America stop building them. But also ignore all our attempts at building them ourselves and bragging about it.
Do third worlders really?
Admit defeat. The F35 has a jet engine and a huge IR signature (Massive. Impossible to miss)
The fact other planes are worse won't save you
So impossible to miss that Syria has missed the sorties by Israel, or Iraqis missed all the previous gen ones flying to Baghdad in the Gulf War
Defunct, corrupt, broke, running for the hills and not actually operational
Not a capable adversary like China would certainly be
>I ignore examples I don’t like for uhhh reasons! But surely the land of corncob concrete will do it hypothetical in the future
Das rite. Proper reasons
Yeah, if you already know where it is and can orient it. But then add in flares, decoys, drones, and other protection measures.
The harder it is to tell the fighter from the decoys the harder it is to hit.
The only downside of the F-35 is that it doesn't really have the sort of powerplant you'd want for laser interceptors, which can also be used in an air defense role against cruise missiles and the like. The Mitsubishi F-3 and NGAD will have that.
Versus the F-16
F-35 versus what it looks like with its non-stealth VTOL going.
Particularly, from the front or side the F-35 is hard as fuck to see with IR at a distance and because radar has a hard time getting its bearing you can't orient IR to its weak points, which is still way less signal than other fighters.
Moving fast does keep you safer. That is literally the entire point of the SR71. Fly so fast and so high that you'll be in a new time zone before AA can launch. And it worked phenomenally for over 3 decades, but by then comp tech caught up and we opted to use stealth based designs to remove the insane speed used by the SR71 and give more survivability to the entire fleet of aircraft.
>chinks and vatniks try to catch up to US tech
>completely fail at it
>cope by saying said tech is actually meaningless
rinse & repeat
I thought the su-57s was designed specifically to have a low RCS from the front?
you can't have low frontal RCS without S-ducts (which the Su-57 doesn't have)
Krautfag, is that you?
Yes Sir. It's me. Did you miss me?
Prove it, post power outlet.
You did miss me.
Post it with a timestamp.
You know it's me. Kisses.
Not good enough, post power outlet with a timestamp.
>Stealth doesn’t work
>America still build stealth planes
>Ignore the fact the Chinese and Russians are scrabbling to build their own
Poor, Non-American hands wrote this post
if pajeet cant think of a way to make stealth its clearly a conspiracy
>the F35 offers zero protection against any anti-aircraft fire like a 35mm shell exploding next to it
Flying at its normal service altitude accomplishes that well enough.
Making it super susceptible if the enemy has modern AA missles.
Your best bet is flying ultra low like 20m.
>modern AA missles
>can't spot F-35's further than 20 km
>get dunked on from 225 km by SEAD
Damn, that was easy. Almost like the Air Force has been doing that for 60 years or something.
You don't need a clear indentification to launch an AA missle.
All you need to know is there is something in the air and it's not one of our own boys.
And you can see that from 200 miles away or even more.
>Missile proceeds to hit a flock of birds because you launched it at the first weird radar signature you saw.
The flock of birds would not move at the speed of a fighter jet
You didn't know their speed because you just shot at a random blip.
>implying I didnt join the air force to shoot missiles at flocks of birds cause they shit on my ex wifes dodge charger i bought while in boot camp
you need a clear radar signal to determine bearing, range and altitude
without that the missile won't know where to actually fly, just where an anomalous signal is right now which is useless in BVR combat
You don't need a 'clear' signal. All you need to know is 'there is something and it's moving fast like a plane'
You can see that from hundreds of miles away
>Just Fire at random signatures that might be moving quickly
And what happens when the missile can't lock on to the STEALTH plane and just flies off to wherever? Or when it gets jammed?
It can lock onto it. The missles has a IR and radar seeking warhead. Modern missles even got a camera for optical tracking so flares are ineffective as a defensive measure. You can't jam it because it's operating independently once fired.
>IR
stealth planes have reduced IR signatures retard
>radar
Do you not understand the stealth part?
>optical tracking
Lmfao, which thirdie missile has optical tracking? And how is it gonna pick out a plane amongst thousands of miles of sky?
Everything you said is wrong or irrelevant.
> Optical tracking
Means automatically tracking a target on a screen.
The RBS70 does it. Flares won't confuse it. Better than mutt nonsense like Stinger.
this has nothing to do with BVR combat you fucking monkey. you keep moving the goalposts because you are a fucking retard
Lol yeah roll it out and watch it get blown up as soon as the small laser emitting drone tags it for a missle launched 200 miles away by a networked F35.
Do you like Starlink? Do you really think they only supply internet?
There are thousand above you as we speak. No matter where you are.
Hope you can launch manpads and sams from 30m underground.
Good luck!
i hope you stand next to it.
Is the fucking operator flying around in the air with flames coming out of his ass for the missile to track the plane you retarded moron?
Hehe pretty funny reply. Thank you Sir
>RBS70
>designed in the 70's
>SHORAD laser guided missile system
>laser guided
anon, stop eating lead paint chips
RBS70 has been updated continuesly and yes it's better than Stinger
>updated continuesly
Is that why it's being phased out/retired?
It's not.
how does it lock on? you keep saying it can but can't say how or why.
you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how radar and BVR combat works. without a clear radar signal you can't determine its heading, range, speed, altitude or bearing. without that stuff your missile by the time it gets to where it wants to be turn on its own radar will be completely out of position and to get a clear radar signal you have to get dangerously close to a stealth plane that can shoot back. an IR tracker is going to be even more vulnerable and an optical tracker far worse than IR or radar, those are backups and are worse than the tracking radar. even if the missile can see the out of position plane it doesn't have the fuel to get where it needs to be. the missile does not immediately turn on its own radar and guide itself in because that would be stupid and give away the missile's position immediately. AIM-120s use the plane's TWS radar over datalink to guide in a missile to closer ranger without triggering a RWR and then the missile turns its own radar when it's no longer possible to evade it. without a clear radar signal the entire time this will not work.
also, you can jam anything that uses radar, including missiles.
Am AIM9x was tricked by flares in combat, no your sino-russian version is not proven appreciably better
Obviously no missile is 100% accurate. Doesn't have to be.
ok, you've launched a missile at something that you think is a plane. because you lacked its BRA your missile is now flying to the wrong place and you aren't even sure it's a plane. good job wasting a million dollar missile on what might be a flock of birds, a swarm of insects or a plane that is 80 miles from where the missile activated its radar and it can't see anything
you fucking mong, without the proper information the missile will just lose all of its power before it reaches whatever the fuck it's looking for, and that is if its shitty radar even finds anything.
waste of a perfectly good missile.
>Missile heads doesn't know the bearing and ends up hundreds of miles off target.
Congrats.
>Slavshit missile operator fires expensive missile at a tiny radar blip that showed up at 300 km
>is slavshit, so must fire 5 missiles to hit something
>one missile loops back around and hits one of the other launchers in your battery
>three randomly fail and hit a playground or something
>the one missile that went where you shot it doesn't hit anything because when the guidance radar goes active there's nothing in the search window
>the target you shot at was more than 50 km away from where you aimed and there's a missile inbound on your radar trailer
Such is life for ruskies.
to:dr the 'Stealth' aircraft was not stealthy. It was shot down. OP vindicated
>if military equipment is 100% perfect and indestructible it's worthless
>just ignore all other evidence of its battlefield performance of course
>isn't
Get it now?
>missile missed the aircraft entirely
>aircraft blew up the AA system
Reading comprehension seems a bit beyond the orc's abilities.
Let's lob a $500,000 air-to-air IR missile in a general direction in the hopes it'll find something within 15-18km distance that's flying at the right altitude and in the right direction for it to lock on to. What's that? The stealth aircraft blew our plane up from over 100km away? Well, what about using our semi-active radar homing missiles? Huh, the stealth plane detects our fighter first, launches a similar semi-active radar homing missile from further away which means it arrives first, and destroys our plane thus removing the source of the radar wave our missile was using for guidance. Then it just flies in a straight line until it runs out of fuel and crashes. What about using a long-range active radar missile? That's right, they also have those, so the stealth plane could fire one at maximum range, immediately turn around, and our missile couldn't catch it before it runs out of fuel. How about we take an Airbus A380, a enormous, 80-ton fuck-off AESA radar array that can detect stealth aircraft from far beyond the range of any weapon it could possibly carry? Then we give it enough ultra-long-range air-to-air missiles to guarantee we get at least one hit. Haha, checkmate!
Though these super-heavy air superiority/AWACS fighters would cost so much that no country on Earth could afford to build more than a handful of them. And their rarity would make it cost-effective to build stealth drones whose sole purpose is to carry long-range air-to-air missiles that are too large to fit inside their stealth fighter.
In fact, the AWACS-fighter's size would mean it would be detectable by satellite-mounted radar. That means they could stick a few long-range active-radar air-to-air missiles on top of a theater-range ballistic missile and shoot our AWACS-fighter from 3500+ km away.
Fuck.
No such thing as an IR missle. It will have also radar tracking built in as well. It will find the plane then use the IR seeker at the last moment to detonate close to the aircraft.
To avoid this you have to fly low. Very low.
Enabling AA guns to get you.
>you have to fly low. Very low
... or minimize your radar return.
Nope. You'll always be on the radar screen. Just less clear which plane type you are specifically. But the enemy will know you're a plane and you're there in the air waiting to be shot down
>No such thing as an IR missle. It will have also radar tracking built in as well.
what the fuck dude?
aim-9 and almost all of its variants don't have a radar.
> almost all of its variants
> almost
correct, there are radar guided sidewinders.
the sidewinders that were actually used have no radar.
now explain to me how there are "no IR missiles"
Sure they exist I was being facetious
So that's why you people keep blowing civilian aircrafts up
This is how you end up accidentally bombing Poland btw.
>You don't need a clear indentification to launch an AA missle.
you really do, especially if the enemy is spoofing radar returns which is most liekly
this implies the enemy can track and get the jump on a plane that has multiple factors of more range
>it has a radar signature. It's not even invisible to radar
Either a troll or a legitimate retard whose mother chain smoked and drank heavily during pregnancy.
> Attempting a weak ad personam while not delivering the receipts.
Pretty low effort. Pathetic
There are Israeli F-35 slaughtering Syrians "protected" by brand new S-400 as we speak.
Cope more pathetic 3rd worlder
> Muh Syria
Not a notable enemy, completely defunct
They are still using the """best""" thirdie AA and it isn't working lmao
>Russian AA Missiles with Russian “Trainers” operating them aren’t effective because they exist within the nation of Syria for some reason.
Or ya know stealth is a working technology that everyone is pursuing because it works and not so globohomo can steal more of your shekels or something
No there arent. Russia “gave” those s300 systems to syria but they were crewed by russians and had orders to fire only under explicit permission from the russian government. They were essentially a political stunt. The U.S, russia and isreal all have an agreement not to touch each others shit in syria (only kill each others proxies)
Also, to remind everyone that the USA has had multiple S-300s for decades, ones from the 90s, purchased from Belarus, and ones from the early to mid 2000s from the middle east
whats even funnier, is that americans think their air force wouldnt be just as useless as russian air force.
the last time american airforce was used was 30 years ago in desert storm against starving iraqis.
in these 30 years anti aircraft weaponry got upgraded so much, getting into anything that flies is pretty much suicide.
Dune and Warhammer, apparently, werent that much far from reality.
Advancements in technology actually pushed warfare back to WW1 state.
>anti aircraft weaponry got upgraded so much
Western AA did lol
self-propelled howitzer tries to shoot down SU - where's your stealth now?
Sir? The Skyranger 30 is a state of the art anti-aircraft gun. Best in the world. Naturally the Germans
Fuck off Dennis
YWNBAW
Israelis have been flying F-35s non-stop over Syria, which has been fielding S-300 and S-400 batteries. Not one F-35 has been shot down, however, even though the Syrians keep getting bombed, and the Israelis have fun doing stuff like popping drones out of the air. How come?
Read the thread and you will be enlightened
Isareli spies have infiltrated Syria. Non of those AA batteries has been operational
Ancient Soviet junk SAMs don’t need to have exact fixes to hit something. Most of the later Soviet and post-Soviet stuff have semi-active and fully active modes. They just need to be put in the right general vicinity if their on-board sensors stand any chance of finding something. So, at least, the launcher needs to know a relatively small area of altitude, velocity and bearing. The extra sensitive search radars cannot provide that level accuracy, it’s up to the less-sensitive targeting radars for that. So they need not only electronic excellence but SOFTWARE excellence too because the software MUST be able to discern target signals from multitudes of noise and non-target signals.
False
Remember if a technology in its early days doesn’t work 100% of time the it’s worthless.
Everyone at the time as I recall didn’t mind the F-117 being shot-down in the first place and didn’t need to cope. The media was all over it of course but they seemed blasé about it like it was just an interesting story; possibly they were protecting Clinton, I don’t know.
Anyway, most people with their heads screwed on straight knew the war was unjust and so didn’t seethe or hate on the "enemy". In fact let them have the shoot-down. We were slaughtering them for the sake of people no one actually cared about, even thought we knew technically ethnic cleansing was bad.
>knew the war was unjust
Yeah it was, the roaches had no right to leave their shithole
Luckily we drove them back into it, losing an airframe or two in the process is a small price to pay
Unless the plane is flying very low and very close no AAA is hitting fuck all. The AAA must see the target first, so if there’s a failure in intel and the stealth plane is flying just a few km away from a AAA it’s camera might just get a fix in which case the plane may be in serious danger.
The F-35’s situational awareness system will probably alert the pilot the moment it is fired upon so the risk is minimized but still the may hit something.
Partly true however the enemy would put his AA batteries (like a 35mm Oerlikon twin AA gun) close to potential targets so yes if you'd fly into enemy territory there's a chance you'd be in range of them. And yes you'd have to fly low as flying not low is obviously worse.
Technically he's winning and you're furious
did you get a new job yet?
That'd require him to put the bottle down
No good ruski would do that
Did you miss the part where he was accepted into medschool? It's somewhere in the archives... He posted everything.
you're not in med school dennis
He's already halfway done.
i know your brain is broken, but being a homeless loser is not med school.
He won.
Definitely him
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how can you shoot down something that lives in your head?
Obliterating it publicly on PrepHole would do
hey dennis is your sister still fucking morons?
Why are you guys still replying to this moron? He obviously has a humiliation fetish.
Ah, sweet. The stealth schizo is back. It's been a while. How's it going, man?
Sir? I'm officially back
>all that cope
>it's not invisible at all. It's super visible
- it has a radar signature. It's not even invisible to radar
- it can be attacked and shot down like any other plane
- the F35 offers zero protection against any anti-aircraft fire like a 35mm shell exploding next to it.
- 'stealth' is a scam
- your plane has a huge Infrared signature, trivial to shoot down
- all the plane can do is bomb clueless Afghan peasants with zero anti-aircraft capabilities. But they'd still win their war. Ouch. Big ouch.
- it's over for youm
Amerisharts just iterate fighter jets to keep nancy pelosis stock high and keep the vodka tonics flowing. Much like the F22, they're not actually built to DO anything
Han hands typed this post
Post hands, Black
Touched a nerve did i? Get some sleepy buddy you’re not yourself when you’re tired.
Status report:
> 7 pm local time, buoyant mood, 3 threads up on PrepHole and all on page one
A few more hours of getting hammered then you may lick your wounds and heal since I'll be asleep
fact is that none of this really matters at BVR engagement ranges
It does suddenly matter if the enemy isn't an Afghan farmer with no air defense. Then you'll have to fly low...
damn this is pretty sad, imagine becoming a lolcow for PrepHole and treating your humiliation like a victory
O DENNIS
Trying to summon him?
I want an anthro girl to huff and lick my balls for minutes on end.
@57354221(you)
>Stand-off munitions aren't a thing they don't exist
Cute.
So are you gonna spontaniously fire AA missiles into the air for the to search for heat signatures?
B-but you don't understand, if a weapon doesn't just thanos snap enemy out of existence it's literally useless.
Your picrel is of an F-15D that crashed in Lincolnshire due to pilot error. Also, what sort of disphit would fly a F-35 low enough to get hit by a 35mm AA cannon?
You have to fly low if the enemy has modern AA capabilities.
>tanks? useless
>aircraft? useless
WWIbros... it's finally our time again...
Let me guess
>Why not use the A-10
>Dogfight is the future of air warfare
>An M113 with wings is the best idea on the planet
Get THE FUCK OUT SPARKS
pure, unadulterated retardery, but from the number of (you)s it seems to be working. I've forgotten more about airpower in the last 12 months than you will ever know.
Yes Sir. Thread was vastly successful
I can only assume OP is from some dump country like Iran, trolling so hard and so obviously, all in the hope that some sperg lockheed engineer will spill classified beans to win an internet argument a la warthunder.
no, its an attention whore coming off of a ban most likely
Why would OP be banned? No rule was ever violated
see? attention whore.
already they beg for more.
>the F35 offers zero protection against any anti-aircraft fire like a 35mm shell exploding next to it.
WHO TF IS GOING TO BE ENGAGING AN F35 WITH AN AUTOCANNON
This thing would
Thread is gonna 404 soon. Thanks to everyone who contributed. OP reporting out