It bothers me that Ukies are fighting like it's literally Stalingrad, like it's a WW2 battle.
Their strategy is just sending more human waves to die just because their loses are 2:1 in their favor. Their soldiers are just statistics to them, just disposable assets, literally Stalin's way of thinking. Their strategy isn't any smarter from Russians, Ziggers are just more incompetent.
But what when their meme "counter" offensive comes? They will find themselves in the same situation as Ziggers are now. Mine fields, capture cities one building at a time. This could turn into the same shit fest for Ukies if they are going to use the same human wave tactics. Foreign soldiers report they were used in human wave tactics, being send to death to capture pointless positions.
We laugh that Russia hasn't taken Bakhmut, but the problem is that Ukies aren't able to secure it. It's not like the whole Russian army is in Bakhmut, they are spread over all the captured regions. The problem isn't that Ziggers can't take this one city, but that Ukies can't even secure this one city. What happens when counter offensive comes and Ukies are going to do human waves into Russian territory? Every Russian occupied city could be Bakhmut, but now Ukies are in the disadvantage.
It really bothers me that Bakhmut shows Zelensky is treating his soldiers just like Stalin (or Putin). Just disposable human waves, just numbers and statistics, it's OK to send them die because the statistics are 2:1 in our favor, no strategy whatsoever, just bigger numbers are better.
Got tired in the VDV thread eh?
It's so obviously him too lmfao
they worship nazis in ukraine, so they fight like the nazi gangs they are
Agreed. Cruel dictator, anglo puppet and strangler of babies Adolf Zelensky should surrender to avoid further bloodshed.
t. John Budweiser from Hollywood Oblast
>t. John Budweiser from Hollywood Oblast
They are holding Buckmutt as a distraction for the massive counterattack in 2 weeks
Just like Adolf Hitler, Putin will lose the war. Bakhmut is going to be his Stalingrad, the point at which future historians will point to and say
>Here is where Putin lost the war for good
Nah that's to come, it'll probably be Crimea or maybe an attack into Russia itself. This war won't be won by simply forcing the Russians out, it'll be won with a large encirclement of Russian forces leading to a coup inside Russia.
God I hope it’s bloody and televised
>This war won't be won by simply forcing the Russians out, it'll be won with a large encirclement of Russian forces leading to a coup inside Russia.
Like WW2, then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland_Pocket
Only Putler will probably die of natural causes rather than escaping into Argentina.
Like basically any war, except the ones the US likes to wage. This isn't going to end until strikes happen inside Russia or Russia loses so many troops that it forces them out of the war.
>The Soviets launched six offensives to defeat the German Army Group Courland.[5][11] Throughout the campaign against the Courland pocket, Soviet forces did not advance more than 25 miles anywhere along the front, ending no more than a few kilometers forward of their original positions after seven months of conflict.[11] The Soviet operations were hampered by the difficult terrain and bad weather
>we didn't want to attack the Germans there, just hold them!
The parallels are uncanny
Soviets did this all the time
>Achually, we never wanted to conquer WHOLE Finland!
>bla bla bla they didn't suck my dick after i took their's in my ass and now i'm gonna post shit while crying in my trench
Why are so many morons triggered by this?
The OP got fricking destroyed in a thread about the VDV apparently not losing any men in the initial assault and decided to make another thread.
I'm not that guy you fricking moron.
Ok
Yeah, ok. The "I'm just trying to be a moderate, I'm just trying to help" act doesn't work moron. Did you get banned on your previous IP?
Take your meds.
You're the one that thinks Ukraine is doing human wave attacks in Bakhmut, take yours.
I don't care. The best outcome possible right now is for eastern europe to turn into a nuclear hellscape.
Frick those subhuman slavs, if it weren't for them we actually would be speaking german
Ok
butthurt lithuanian?
Self hating Russian
vatBlack person confirmed
Did the counter-offensive start already?
Probably seething over the cancelled parades
😉
>just gave up immediately
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/ukraine-bakhmut-heavy-casualties-russia-war
>Ukraine’s authorities insist they will continue to try to hold the city despite them suffering an estimated 100-200 casualties a day – with some saying the reason is more political and symbolic than practical.
Sounds like human waves.
For some reason I can't find any official numbers on Ukrainian losses. Why don't they want people to know what their losses are if the battle is going so well.
Only official losses are Russian estimates.
>Ukrainian forces 15,000–20,000+ killed (Russian Ministry of Defence)
>The casualty ratio was estimated to be 5 Russian soldiers killed for every Ukrainian soldier according to NATO. Ukraine claims the ratio is 7 to 1 killed in favour of Ukrainian soldiers.
Sure, but no actual numbers?
Why would you give your enemy intelligence on the effectiveness of their operations?
To undermine their morale, to make them give up?
>Their strategy is just sending more human waves to die
Did you mean to type Ukies and not Russians?
Oh you guys are back
>you guys
The majority of /k/?
Ok
The Poo Brothers
>posts about what moronic things Russians are doing
>claims the other side is doing it and not the Russians.
Confirmed for Russian shill.
Delete your account
I claim they both are doing the same you moron.
No
Tldr Hitler was right about east slavs being subhuman.
What bothers me personally is not the 200bil$ that Biden and co have embezzeled, they would've found something else to use just like they did with covid and the vaxx.
What is bothering me is the constant shilling on my /k/ and the fact that we now have legit liberal democrats from predit acting like they have always been here and that NATO, homosexuality and race-mixing is natural....
HATO THUGS BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND RAPES MY WIFE, AND YOU WONT GUESS WHAT HAPPENED ON PAGE 11.
kys
>on my /k/
Post certificate of ownership. And guns.
>Tldr Hitler was right about east slavs being subhuman
Officially easterlings were east-aryan and in his private correspondence with Himmler both agree that they could be Germanized and integrated into the German people by giving them the German language and culture, see Nuremberg evidence of their letters.
The war seems like a really shitty way to embezzle money since the 200bn Ukraine has received is the monetary value of the equipment we gave them not actual cash, I doubt Biden has a secret garage where he hides the Bradleys and HIMARs that Zelensky skims off the top for him
You mean Ukraine has been fending off the second best military in the world without any western support after all?
But enough about Russia
>it's OK to send them die because the statistics are 2:1 in our favor, no strategy whatsoever, just bigger numbers are better.
what is the alternative here? to retreat and assault these positions later on? yeah assaulting enemy positions sounds like a much better plan lol
Speaking of Enemy at the Gates, it's also the name of a song about the war in Donbass.
Complete with one of the most kino music videos ever made.
>Russia still hasn't captured Bakhmut
Reminder that
>Russia still hasn't captured Bakhmut
>Russia still hasn't captured Bakhmut
That's the joke, both sides can't capture one city.
>Russia stilll
>their loses are 2:1 in their favor.
And they keep the destruction of property contained. Every bomb that goes off in Bakhmut doesn't go off in undestroyed villages.
All in all pretty cleverly done by the Ukies.
Russians can't understand that at all it seems.
hasn't captured Bakhmut
no it isnt
>both sides
homie one side is attacking and one side is defending, moron
>their loses are 2:1 in their favor.
And they keep the destruction of property contained. Every bomb that goes off in Bakhmut doesn't go off in undestroyed villages.
All in all pretty cleverly done by the Ukies.
Russians can't understand that at all it seems.
Why would you give a frick about some buildings if the future of your country is on the stake? You save a building for 100 of your people killed.
I think you should know that
>Russia still hasn't captured Bakhmut
That is where the kill ratio comes into play. It's the combination that makes it so nice for the Ukies.
Why the Russians stick to Bakhmut? Well all i know is that
>Russia still hasn't captured Bakhmut
You might live in a town so shitty that the lives of its residents are worth more than it, but in actual first world countries the developed infrastructure is far more expensive. Just to buy Manhattan, not NYC, just Manhattan, would cost about $2 trillion.
Beside the fact that they are wrong it s not like these morons have another plan for the ukies .
They just look at the numbers and say
>how come ukraine is losing men , i could do better
It's not like the Russians would stop killing people if the front moved, so why not keep it where it is? At least this way there's a lot of rubble to catch the shrapnel so they'll need to expend more shells per kill.
>their loses are 2:1
Try 5:1, and every Russian who dies at Bakhmut is one that can't defend the frontline when the Ukrainians go on the offensive again. Every Russian tank that is destroyed at Bakhmut is one that can't stop Ukrainian ones from rolling over their trenches. Every day the Russians fail to take Bakhmut causes the credibility of Putin's government to deteriorate all that much further.
The Ukrainians are essentially gutting the Russian Army of any remaining combat power and the Russian state of its remaining political clout at dirt cheap cost.
The Ukranians are having a field day. Their kill-death ratio is like 7:1 in Bakhmut if not more. imagine 50,000 Wagner soldiers cannot take the town and hence logically the Russian corpses that litter the entire city. the ukranians only retreat to shorten their lines when russians break through a line, but there are many lines behind. also you can frick off with your concern posting, puccia.
>5 to 7 russians die for every man we lose
>still unable to defend a city
>still unable to capture territory back
are ukrainians just this terrible at war or is russia using necromancy???
>Literally did not happen.
The video literally says the Ukrainians lost the airport on Feb-25th.
Juvenile autist.
Go play DOTA you worthless child
>lost it so hard he's schizo copy pasting in other threads
lmao
>actually fell for it exposing himself
Not sending the brains for this shit eh?
You're the one setting course for a rangeban anon.
I'm not talking even about body cams. There should be a body of photo evidence from smartphones and other devices when the Ukrainians ALLEGEDLY took back the airport (before they lost it again).
They were never shy of posting Russian losses, so why would they conceal images of 300 ELITE VDV.
>calling the jannies
pathetic
Just wait until the Challenger 2s and Bradleys show up russocuck. Azov will be Dirlegang 2.0. Every r***ian will be a slave until Ukraine is rebuilt. Ukrainian will be r***ia’s national language. Moscow will be NATO’s new eastern headquarters. The Urals will be a demilitarized zone between NATO and China’s puppet regime in Siberia which will be stripmined of resources and looted of beautiful Slavic women by your new Chinese overlords.
They have, in desert camo kek
Desert camo is fine. If ruskies react to the ukie offensive armed with challengers and bradleys the way they did to that one tank that just drove up on their trenches alone and started blasting, then ruskies are fricked. Ukies found a bunch of unused rpgs in that trench later. Mobiks either didn't realize they were there, or didn't know how to use them.
>no strategy whatsoever
how is trading well not a strategy?
There is no war strategy that allows you to take no casualties and cede no land
Therefore you need to do what you think is best out of the available possibilities
Stalling at Bakhmut is at the very least a reasonable strategic choice
/k/ is too hooked up on copium to see the truth. Holding Bakhmut has nothing to do with advantageous defensive positions and favorable kill ratio. Both of those factors where present at Severodonetsk, yet they pulled out as soon as the supply lines got under serious danger. Same thing happened at several different locations thought the war, it just so happens that nobody knows about those battles, but Bakhmut has become a symbol that they don't want to let go and are willing to have their soldiers fight in such horrible conditions just to keep holding a part of it
>I've been defeated, NOOO, time for some deflection!
Just admit you failed to prove that Ukraine took back the airport before April 1st.
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No matter how much you try to blow the corpses of dead VDV it won't change the fact that the initial force was pushed out of the airport. Seriously. This type of gaslighting and thinly veiled threatening only works if you have power over the person you're doing it to. I know you're wrong and you can't do shit about it.
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>Reminder: The US won the wars in iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam. They successfully took the countries.
honestly it's the same logic
>Just admit you failed to prove that Ukraine took back the airport before April 1st.
It has nothing to do with anything I said you moronic manchild. The Ukrainians retreated from most positions that got their supply lines under any serious danger just in time before they suffered any significant loses by trying to keep holding said positions, yet, they haven't done the same in Bakhmut. The difference is that Bakhmut has become a very important symbol for them, that's it. Severodonetsk and Lysychansk both were a lot more important than Bakhmut is, yet they had no problems making the decision to retreat instead of losing troops and material by keeping a supply line that's under constant artillery fire
://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/ukraine-bakhmut-heavy-casualties-russia-war
’s authorities insist they will continue to try to hold the city despite them suffering an estimated 100-200 casualties a day – with some saying the reason is more political and symbolic than practical.
>Sounds like human waves.
>For some reason I can't find any official numbers on Ukrainian losses. Why don't they want people to know what their losses are if the battle is going so well.
>Only official losses are Russian estimates.
forces 15,000–20,000+ killed (Russian Ministry of Defence)
>>The casualty ratio was estimated to be 5 Russian soldiers killed for every Ukrainian soldier according to NATO. Ukraine claims the ratio is 7 to 1 killed in favour of Ukrainian soldiers.
>Sure, but no actual numbers?
>Holding Bakhmut has nothing to do with advantageous defensive positions and favorable kill ratio.
This and keeping destruction contained to civilian free areas is a very rational reason.
You proposing they do it for "dat symbolism" is stupid, these people aren't led by feelings but discussion and thought. They sat down, looked at the known facts and did the math.
Favorable kill ratio and containment of destruction to civilian free areas is rational.
Severiodonetsk the Russians had enough artillery and shells before Himars to shoot 10 shells for 1 ukranian shell. every fricker would get out in a hurry. now its par, even.
>It bothers me that Ukies are fighting like it's literally Stalingrad
They are not. Russia is and the Ukrainians are using the situation to vaporise Russian artillery and crews with HIMARS from 80KM away. Russia looses 1% of its artillery every fricking day at this point and they only had 50% left. 9 today, 10 yesterday, 1,7,7,5,15 before that...10,13,5,8 before that...and on and on along with the vehicles and men. The Ukrainians are erasing the Russian conventional military and setting up their offensive . Where are Russia's artillery pieces and crews when that Ukrainian offensive begins? Fricking dead already. Russia has lost this war. No way back. Russia is no entering the zone where they can't even retreat or withdraw any more in an organised of planned manner.