Eagles were doing work

>President Biden called to thank the two airwing commanders whose squadrons shot down more than 70 Iranian drones last night.
Sr admin official:
"The president then spoke with Lieutenant Colonel Curtis “Voodoo” Culver, the commander of the 494th Fighter Squadron, a unit based in the U.K., and Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Prouty Murphy, commander of the 335th Fighter Squadron unit from Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina.”

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes moron. In fact the West has sustained more aircraft than men have sustained themselves in your Mother.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    173-0

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I thought the mudhen had a separate line in the chart than the eagle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        With the EX being essentially the newest-model E but using a single pilot and C doctrine, I think we're going to lump them together from now on.

        At any rate, didn't the E just have the one chopper kill with the LGB before last night?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >F-15E
          >E

          What exactly is the E doctrine as compared to the C doctrine? And I was under the impression that the EX wasn't happening anymore since its cheaper to just build F-35's and have F-15's work in conjunction with them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >5EX

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I was under the impression that the EX wasn't happening anymore since its cheaper to just build F-35's and have F-15's work in conjunction with them
            we're getting a few, mostly just to maintain a minimum baseline of mach 2+ interception capability, but it's still a viable export fighter to the Saudis and other fairweather allies we'd be moronic to trust with our 5th-gens, or for Israel and anyone else who can foresee an ongoing need for non-stealth bomb trucks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cs focus on air combat and interception duties, to the exclusion of almost everything else. Yes, they can technically carry bombs, but they do little if any training with them. Es focus primarily on interdiction/strike, with enough dogfighting practice to give them good odds in a pinch.

            Very few pilots can be experts at both missions at the same time. Ongoing training matters, and there are only so many flight hours a year, even for the USAF. For example, one potential issue with replacing A-10s with F-35s--despite the F-35 being generally better at CAS thanks to sensors and smartbombs--is that A-10 pilots train for nothing but CAS and related missions; if the guys who replace them spend most of their time training air-to-air and interdiction missions, then they probably *won't* be as good as the A-10s were at CAS, simply because the pilots won't be well-trained at it.

            Enter the Cs. They're getting very old, and their airframes are lighter and not quite as strong as the E variants (which were redesigned to carry a lot more fuel and payload). They were supposed to have been replaced 1:1 by F-22s, but obviously that never happened. They really need to be replaced soon, and there are reasons why the F-35 might not be the best fit (particularly due to its production schedule) for the mission. That's where the EX comes in; it can be flown single-seat, it has new engines that can get its heavier weight close to the performance of the C, and it can fill in the gap for the next 20-40 years. It also keeps the Eagle production line open, which is important because the Es will need replacing in the next 10-20 years, and the EX might be an option there as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There aren't many F-15EX's built yet and they are F-15E squadrons.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >U.S. military spending/defense budget for 2021 was $800.67B
    >iran gdp 413.5B

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thirdies just can't fathom the absolute scale of resources america has, all they can do is seeth and b***h online

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    yes.

    america has practically infinite money, your 3rd world shithole can't conquer a 4th world eastern european failed state

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'll hold you to 9 times, please sauce that figure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
      maybe more like 5-6x if you exclude what Europe makes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is producing about 250,000 artillery munitions per month, or about 3 million a year, according to NATO intelligence
        Oh lord it’s even worst than anticipated

        Dang. More than I thought. Guess it makes sense though considering they're in a war. Thx anon I unironically was going to shit talk but it turns out I'm wrong and gay.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And yet, they still have to buy them from Norkland and Chynah. It doesn't bode well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Probably doesnt help that the artillery guns have an accuracy measured in minutes of oblast

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >an accuracy measured in minutes of oblast
              this has to be officialized or something

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is producing about 250,000 artillery munitions per month, or about 3 million a year, according to NATO intelligence
        Oh lord it’s even worst than anticipated

        [...]
        IIRC this year its planned to produce more AIM-9s then Russia has aircraft and thats just to mention one missile type. So yeah, shooting down some lawnmovers with those isnt really a problem.

        [...]
        Dang. More than I thought. Guess it makes sense though considering they're in a war. Thx anon I unironically was going to shit talk but it turns out I'm wrong and gay.

        [...]
        Produces? Don't you mean take out from 1990s USSR storages? If you take those away, Russia would be struggling to keep up shell production too

        They include 122mm and 152mm shells in this number. They use less effective smaller, cheaper artillery, and all their specialist shells, and compare it to only western 155mm dumb shells only, because the shills that do this are disingenuous hacks.
        Western militaries are not as artillery dependant, and pit a focus on smarter munitions that Russia barely bothered with prior to this war.

        They're also at war and are pressing an absurd amount of money and human effort into inefficient old systems rather than upgraded new ones with higher output per man hour.
        They're also outnumbered in manpower by NATO almost tenfold, let alone things like GDP. Never let a Russian cope about this shit, they're just inferior and they're unironically lucky this isn't a war the west actually cares too much about to compromise its standards of living.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes Russia has realized they are at war and need to max produce shells. I really fricking wish the EU and US would wake the frick up and realize this as well

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_1495
            https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b694b109-fa2c-493e-bf1e-87768ae6469e_en?filename=ASAP%20factsheet.pdf
            The EU did wake up, they just woke up 2+ years too late in typical EU fashion

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You try finding a moment when none off the portugeese, spanish, maltese, italians, greeks and cypriots are having a nap. 2 years is a very fast response when you have to deal with the siesta belt

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Am italian, can confirm as I am currently shitposting during work.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, blame the bureucracy hell in the EU onto the southern european members instead of Germany which is both a bureaucracy lover and continously ambivalent about the ukraine thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We should nuke Moscow immediately. Let not one zigger draw breath in this universe.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is producing about 250,000 artillery munitions per month, or about 3 million a year, according to NATO intelligence
      Oh lord it’s even worst than anticipated

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    IIRC this year its planned to produce more AIM-9s then Russia has aircraft and thats just to mention one missile type. So yeah, shooting down some lawnmovers with those isnt really a problem.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >total aim-120 in the us ~17.000, total with an estimated production between 500 to 800 /yr
    just a reminder that the nato is not at war and most of that money goes to rd and keeping skilled people in the military.
    still a nation is spending double your gdp just in the military it's going to demolish you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      every one is getting out now. they can't keep skilled people.

      tell your bosses to give the enlisted a raise plz.

      secfo enlisted are asking officers to try to do something to help and they just basically say
      "not my problem"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >still a nation is spending double your gdp just in the military it's going to demolish you
      hahah when do you demolish Yemen?
      when does the pool open?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >when does the pool open?
        It never closed

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          weird cope, it never closed.

          >a bunch of fishing trawlers
          lmfao, may i see the container-max ship traffic?
          may I see the volume year-over-year?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            another weird cope but alright
            look thirdie, i know you currently have your whole personality based around this houthi thing like some sort of weird cheerleader, but other people just see an angry little dog yapping about a nothingburger, it's very embarrassing behaviour.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >thirdie
              >an angry little dog yapping about a nothingburger
              Redundant over-explanation, anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                fair criticism, i just like insulting them, it riles them up even more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but why are they like this?
                How does any self-respecting "man" cheer over these pathetic and/or false claims?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                (nta) The thing I find contemptible is that guy already knew ships were passing through the Red Sea, but he still said the pool was closed. He already knew merchant traffic was going through, but he still said it was only fishing trawlers. You posted a picture of a bulk carrier with names and details, and suddenly he's not around. He knew the whole time the pool wasn't closed and we all know he knew it. But in a half hour, he'll be right back to saying it.
                I didn't know men could have Beautiful Princess Disorder

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >why do they tell such obvious and easily disproven falsehoods
                not him but after observing third world shitters all over my internet for years now my take on it is that in their opinion, lying to someone can be an insulting expression of ones power over them
                It's one of the reasons why they are always so smug, they lord their lies over others, and it is one of the reasons why they keep coming back, they love it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They are paid to shit stir Anon. Proving them wrong and humiliating them doesn't do anything. Their lives already suck and they are getting paid to shit up the board.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        weird cope, it never closed.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >How many missiles can the US make a year?
    of all the things you could've picked to make your point, missiles was the worst. the United States produces an absurd number of missiles every year.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Produces? Don't you mean take out from 1990s USSR storages? If you take those away, Russia would be struggling to keep up shell production too

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    That’s just because we stopped needing so many. If war ramps up we’ll make 10x what the Russians can make.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure moron.
      Black person, we don't even have the shipyards we used to have back in WW2. Our shipbuilding capability alone is fricked in a war. That's why we're trying to offload it to the nips.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >and Iran probably can produce 50,000 flying lawnmowers a year
    Even if they could (they cant) said lawnmowers can be shot down by a fighter jets radarguided internal cannon too, so now go look how much 20mm is produced and reconsider if you think you will winn this equation.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >$60 million dollars worth of missiles
    60 million dollars paid directly to American engineering companies, with mostly indigenous supply chains.

    I'm glad Raytheon, Northrop, and Lockheed are making bank. They should increase taxation on menthol cigarettes, weaves, and nail extensions if you're really obsessed about how to pay for it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >indigenous
      Chinese

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      60 million that has already been paid, to be more precise

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >and Iran probably can produce 50,000 flying lawnmowers a year
    "probably"? Shaheds cost Russia $200,000 per unit. They're expensive and complicated for Iran to manufacture. 50,000/annum is a dream.

    More pressingly, in a real war, those factories don't survive past day 1.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They're expensive and complicated for Iran to manufacture. 50,000/annum is a dream.

      no they arent. they simply overcharge the shit out of russia for them

      they were even offering ''bulk order'' discounts to russia that dropped the price down to 150k per unit (which is still hilariously marked up)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wtf about a Shahed could be worth anywhere near that pricerange? Because the electronics are all low end off the shelf stuff you can get pretty much anywhere, and it basically uses a lawnmower engine to drive a pusher prop. It seems like the sort of thing a hobbiest could build in their garage for like 2 grand. All the sources I can find indicate their manufacturing costs for iran are like 10 to 20 grand, which probably includes the costs of importing the parts and labor.

      Drones that get outrun by WWI biplanes aren’t evading anything

      I could see large swarms of suicide drones benefiting from performing evasive maneuvers to increase the amount of time/ammo an intercepting system needs to spend on them and increase the number that get through.

      Wait till they combine suicide drones with AI and it can start taking evasive maneuvers when engaged. Imagine thousands of drones all scattering to the wind at the first sign of engagement it's gonna be mass confusion.

      I hope this ends up happening, and then being countered with swarms of cheap unmanned fighters running CAP, then unmanned escorts for the bomber drones, so we'd have remote control dogfights, that'd be fun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It seems like
        But it's not
        >All the sources I can find indicate their manufacturing costs for iran are like 10 to 20 grand
        You'll find that they all trace back to maybe 1 or 2 original source estimates, and they're demonstrably wrong
        >which probably includes the costs of importing the parts and labor
        No, it did not

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >But it's not
          >they're demonstrably wrong
          you sound very confident, mind providing a good source for your claims or just demonstrating that they're wrong?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A while back, somebody actually posted all of the components that were visible in the various pictures of them in production, along with the price of each component. It was closer to $200K. You might still be able to find it in the archives.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/rk0Atv7.jpeg

              wtf about a Shahed could be worth anywhere near that pricerange? Because the electronics are all low end off the shelf stuff you can get pretty much anywhere, and it basically uses a lawnmower engine to drive a pusher prop. It seems like the sort of thing a hobbiest could build in their garage for like 2 grand. All the sources I can find indicate their manufacturing costs for iran are like 10 to 20 grand, which probably includes the costs of importing the parts and labor.
              [...]
              I could see large swarms of suicide drones benefiting from performing evasive maneuvers to increase the amount of time/ammo an intercepting system needs to spend on them and increase the number that get through.
              [...]
              I hope this ends up happening, and then being countered with swarms of cheap unmanned fighters running CAP, then unmanned escorts for the bomber drones, so we'd have remote control dogfights, that'd be fun.

              found the thread

              [...]

              pay attention to posts 12 to 14 especially
              God bless random /k/ aviation hobby model gays

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              firstly, it's completely irrational for military-grade drone electronics to cost so little, and cheap electronics will easily be wiped out by electronic jamming. no matter what they claim, the drone electronics are not just made up of washing machine circuitry

              secondly, Iran sold Russia Shaheeds at about three for a million dollars. fantasies of profiteering on that scale are just that, fantasies. that price tag indicates the more likely cost range of

              and the same report, a leaked Iranian file, said that this cost doesn't include additional key components which had to be smuggled, once again entailing significant additional cost. probably it was left out of the report for compartmentalisation or higher classification reasons.

              frankly I can't recall what exactly was the original source for the 20k Shaheed quote. I've tried looking but the net is totally clogged now with MSM reposts and I can't be arsed to look deeper. but I'm sure it's an amateurish teardown or rife with assumptions that were inaccurate.

              thanks, I'm always glad to be proven wrong. While I have no grounds to contest most of your points that you've made, I do want to point out one thing I do think is not totally accurate.
              >it's completely irrational for military-grade drone electronics to cost so little, and cheap electronics will easily be wiped out by electronic jamming
              Frequently military electronics are inferior to consumer electronics and have no actual benefits other than being classified to a point where nobody in a position to second guess their price tag knows enough to properly evaluate them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Joshua Landis is saying Iran's attack on Israel was an own goal. He's an important Syria expert (his wife is Alawite), knows a ton of Arab military types, and it's interesting coming from him since he's usually highly critical of the U.S. and Israel:

                Basically Iran violated Napoleon's dictum to never interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake. By striking Israel when it did, it managed to close ranks between Bibi and Biden, while also taking the focus away from Gaza. It also shows how weak Iran is. Iran shot more than 300 missiles and drones and almost all of them were shot down. So it looks like Iran is shooting blanks. It really shows the American currency of arms buildups and a NATO-like umbrella over Israel works.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                are you a bot or did you mean to reply to someone else?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I didn't even notice. I usually reply to OP if I'm throwing some news in. Must have clicked on you by mistake.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Frequently military electronics are inferior to consumer electronics and have no actual benefits other than being classified
                no, not true
                consumer electronics don't need to be hardened against shock and shrapnel, enjoy much greater economies of scale, and in this case don't have anywhere near the precision and reliability of military electronics

                my phone GPS is not going to survive trucking along at 200kph for 10 hours without a single instance of loss of signal, let alone at 900kph like a cruise missile would

                >thanks, I'm always glad to be proven wrong
                cheers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >consumer electronics don't need to be hardened against shock and shrapnel
                hardening electronics against those doesn't cost anywhere near what military electronics cost.
                >enjoy much greater economies of scale
                you don't actually have to make entirely new electronic components to harden them. A lot could be done with civilian components for very little money. Including just buying redundant ones.
                >don't have anywhere near the precision
                I don't really know what to say to this, if you think military electronics are more precise, you either don't know much about what is on the market in terms of consumer electronics, or about how out of date most military electronics are. Keep in mind that procurement cycles tend to get upgrades for systems every decade or so, and the procurement process takes a few years on its own. Moore's law may be dead, but there are still substantial improvements made every year.
                >my phone GPS is not going to survive trucking along at 200kph for 10 hours
                I think your phone (depending on make and model of course) would surprise you in terms of how accurate it would be, but phones are hardly the gold standard in terms of GPS equipment, even in civilian stuff. I think that with some clever software tricks a decent amount could be done to mitigate the problems caused by signal loss and whatnot without actually getting exceptional GPS equipment. That might be outside of Iran's ability, but right now I'm arguing that military electronics are over priced in general, not that Iran's Shahed 136 drones are cheaper than Russia is playing for them.
                >cheers
                thanks again, I do appreciate the info, especially that link to the old thread. It's clear they are more expensive than the media was reporting, I just know enough about electronics to know that militaries tend to pay more for them than they'd go for in a competitive market.

                Oh I didn't even notice. I usually reply to OP if I'm throwing some news in. Must have clicked on you by mistake.

                it happens, I was more just curious if I would get a response since bots are getting more sophisticated lately.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I just know enough about electronics to know that militaries tend to pay more for them than they'd go for in a competitive market.
                you think the military isn't competitive?
                how likely do you think it is that not a single NATO military contractor has attempted to undercut the rest? or any other manufacturer for that matter?
                you've just been shown an example of how even with the best of intentions, a joint Russian-Iranian-Chinese effort is unable to produce a weapon that significantly undercuts American missiles
                unless you're saying that they're ripping the shit out of their militaries as well, and literally everyone in the world is colluding to inflate the prices of guided weapons

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you think the military isn't competitive?
                military contracts are national monopsonies, they are extremely noncompetitive.
                >how likely do you think it is that not a single NATO military contractor has attempted to undercut the rest?
                they really have little incentive to. They are a small club of companies that are all riding the same gravy train, rocking the boat by undercutting each other on a single contract would cut their profit margins to a fraction of what they are in future contracts. Also the problem is really more complicated than just duplicity, although that does play a small role.
                >even with the best of intentions
                even granting that China, Russia, and Iran, may have had the "best of intentions" whatever that might mean in this context, the idea that good intentions translate into efficient execution is laughable. China doesn't have good programmers or engineers, they just have a lot of them. Russia has some exceptional computer scientists, and some great programmers, but their actual manufacturing abilities are laughable, especially for precision electronics. Admittedly I know next to nothing about Iran's capacity in the field, but I have no reason to suspect they are better than even China.
                >unless you're saying that they're ripping the shit out of their militaries as well
                it's more nuanced and complicated than that. There is probably some profiteering going on, but it's more complicated than that, the people assigning price tags to things aren't typically the ones who are designing them, and the people who make decisions about what requirements should be non negotiable frequently have little communication with either the people using them who might know what is truly important, and the people designing them that know what is easy to do. Military procurement and design is a complicated process, and when it meets fields that can't be explained easily without bringing in complex math, you end up with a lot of confusion and waste.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                in summary, your hypothesis is that NATO defence contractors could actually build stuff much much cheaper, they're actually all colluding with each other to hike the cost of weapons; as for the rest of the world, they're just so incompetent enough that they happen to build stuff roughly about the same cost as NATO?
                >military contracts are national monopsonies, they are extremely noncompetitive.
                they compete against each other however
                for example, American vs French vs German vs British armoured fighting vehicle manufacturers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >your hypothesis is that NATO defence contractors could actually build stuff much much cheaper, they're actually all colluding with each other to hike the cost of weapons
                no, I was just bumping up on the 2k character limit and had to delete entire paragraphs of what I typed a few times. I think the reason nato contractors don't make things cheaper is even more complicated than in shitty countries, but I hoped you'd understand from context that I'm hardly a fan of authoritarianism.
                >they compete against each other however
                not really that much, and definitely not in a way that eliminated popular but shitty products.To go back to your example about phones, it's like how iPhones are provably inferior smart phones to even fairly mediocre Android devices, but they sell for a lot more. Or like how Sprint was clearly the worst carrier in the US for years, but stayed in business well past the point when they really should have failed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            firstly, it's completely irrational for military-grade drone electronics to cost so little, and cheap electronics will easily be wiped out by electronic jamming. no matter what they claim, the drone electronics are not just made up of washing machine circuitry

            secondly, Iran sold Russia Shaheeds at about three for a million dollars. fantasies of profiteering on that scale are just that, fantasies. that price tag indicates the more likely cost range of

            and the same report, a leaked Iranian file, said that this cost doesn't include additional key components which had to be smuggled, once again entailing significant additional cost. probably it was left out of the report for compartmentalisation or higher classification reasons.

            frankly I can't recall what exactly was the original source for the 20k Shaheed quote. I've tried looking but the net is totally clogged now with MSM reposts and I can't be arsed to look deeper. but I'm sure it's an amateurish teardown or rife with assumptions that were inaccurate.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >and Iran probably can produce 50,000 flying lawnmowers a year
    So why didn't they send at least 5000 to israel? Lmao, the impotent seething about the failed attack is fricking hilarious

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why not X
      maybe because the goal isn’t total israelite death

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the "goal" is to impress hardline morons in Iran who threatened to coup the government ever so often if they don't actively show they want to destroy Israel/America

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The goal is to fire so fee that enemy defenses catch everything so zero damage is caused
        Lol moron

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    that's the us only and aim-120 only, laser weapons and ciws have to be considered too for cheap ad.
    >and Iran probably can produce 50,000 flying lawnmowers a year
    nice invented numbers but real production is what matters.
    the problem with the drone spam theory is that it assumes that the enemy wont do anything.
    if israel one night starts bombing (with planes and proper ballistic missiles) every shahed factory and storage how can iran respond to this?
    if israel starts intercepting low effort attacks with ciws or lasers the economy question becomes irrelevant too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the problem with the drone spam theory is that it assumes that the enemy wont do anything
      This. Its the same as the moronic German naval ideas of the 1930s or the French Jeune École, while in reality someone with the significantly better economy can just counter you, or even if that fails, outproduce you in whatever field you think is superior.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >you are always working at 100% capacity
    Keep coping pajeet, you don't even have a functional economy.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If they have to fly close enough to get visual confirmation might as well use the gun

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So basically the drones which were supposed to saturate / confuse / crowd Israeli AD never made it to Israeli airspace? And of the 130 or so ballistic missiles launched roughly half of them failed after launch / mid-flight. So in the end of the day Israeli AD only had to intercept 60-70 ballistic missiles — minus whatever the US intercepted? Even so at least a few made it through?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes a lot of sand was killed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's about the state of it.
      I'm pretty sure the USAF was taking off from Jordanian bases, and the drones just flew right over them towards Israel. It was droneslaughter. Our future AI overlords will regard it as robot genocide.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Those F-15 pilots getting quick a few marks on their birds. Plus older AIM-9s are around 350k so not terribly expensive. I wanna know if there were gun kills, probably not but given so many were in the air part of me hopes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Chip ‘Mad Man’ Taylor got a gun kill in. Started jerking off next to his RIO. Selfied it. Shot a load. King of the 15’s that boy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wait till they combine suicide drones with AI and it can start taking evasive maneuvers when engaged. Imagine thousands of drones all scattering to the wind at the first sign of engagement it's gonna be mass confusion.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Drones that get outrun by WWI biplanes aren’t evading anything

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Wait till they combine suicide drones with AI
          The drones will then turn to Nazism and start craving dick

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Our future AI overlords will regard it as robot genocide.
        The Butlerian Jihad will become real!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I interpreted it as they launched 110-130 or whatever it was successfully, meaning around 100 or so failed from a salvo of 200+. I only think that cause the claim was 100+ ballistic missiles were intercepted.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >what is a wartime economy

    [...]
    If they have to fly close enough to get visual confirmation might as well use the gun

    I mean it may only be drones, but think about all the sweet footage we could get from that. Pic related

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Oh no, we 'wasted' the money we directly control, in an inflationary period were wasting money is needed now more than ever to prevent deflationary stockpiling

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    A agree with you. They should level the costs by blowing up the lawnmower factories in Iran among other weapons factories. Each time Iran tries to get cost advantage the west just needs to level it out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I would argue it'd be even more cost effective to go for TIRGCGOD (Total Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps General Officer Death). If you keep killing the senior officers, eventually one of their successors will decide to tell the Supreme Leader that they can't attack Israel anymore because all the lawnmower drones were eaten by djinns.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not a fan of Trump or his admin, but ripping Qasem Soleimani a new butthole was absolutely based. You guys should continue doing that more, again and again and again.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I wish we would too man, the seething that piece of shit's death generated is still sustaining me.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Is Iran launching more strikes? Then what's the relevance of sustainability?

    Iran can't spend the next month sending wave after wave of attacks to exhaust all the AD or it would force Israel into declaring an actual war.

    And the cheaper the weapon, the easier it is to shoot down. If they try to sustain this over a long period of time their opponents are just going to invest in more appropriate weapons. Israel might have to spend a ton of money for an emergency order of every non-missile-based AA system on the market...but they have the shekels to pay for it, and then they'll shoot down the crappy lawnmowers all day long.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I highly recommend watching that memri clip if you haven’t. That dude and the salafi host start throwing hands

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >all pol buzzwords in one sentence
    brownoids are absolutely SEETHING. Holy frick, I love winning

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      whenever missile attacks fail the cope is immediately posting unrelated explosions and old footage or shit that shows nothing "proving" there were "hits" like back when they were screaming they hit the patriot in kyiv and the evidence was flashes being a building where you couldn't see shit. when that fails it also goes to how much the missiles cost. every single time

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >REEEEEEEEEE PUT ME IN COACH IM READY

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sex

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't shooting down a weather balloon enough for you big guy?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    economic sustainability is cope for third world economies getting sanctioned to the ground still stuck with 80s technology , which in this case just happen to also be iran.
    Its also a massive assumption to make to think that if this continues israel wont be performing its own airstrike sin critical iranian infrastructure, and trust me, these strikes wont be shot down

    [...]

    this would be impressive if even 1% of these dumb shells hit within 200m of their target. This isnt the 60s anymore. proper militaries fire a few shells with high precision

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >$3 million worth of flying lawnmowers.
    $15-30 million. The Shasneed has a 5 digit price tag only in propaganda fantasy land.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Seething thirdies
    Haha, time to post it again! Remember brownies and vatBlack folk, this is only a taste of what would happen to your pathetic "military" should the mighty eagle eyebrow raise and the hamburger enter the bun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the mighty eagle eyebrow raise and the hamburger enter the bun
      this, also. sex

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > precision carpet bombing

      Man-made horrors beyond our comprehension

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > precision carpet bombing

      Man-made horrors beyond our comprehension

      What do you think Arthur Harris would say if he saw that?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        he'd black out from the blood rushing to his penis

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Let's go to the live Iraqi generals' reaction.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Abdul: Inshallah, I experience childlike wonder at the work of Allah in guiding the hand of the Great Satan against our foes.
        Mahchmoud: Wait... what?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't that Afghanistan? Part of the last ditch attempt to stop the Taliban from taking Kabul?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That was footage of the US helping the Iraqis absolutely plaster ISIS. Try harder next time.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If you're trying to argue for blowing Iranian industry the frick up then I completely agree

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Want to see us do it again?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bretty good video on it-

      (Skip to 1:12 to avoid mobileslop shilling)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who really needs a Navy when they have a shit ton of ballistic/cruise missiles and suicide drones. It’s not as if they are policing the world like uncle sam

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >w-we didn't want them anyway!!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        its pretty important if you want to engage in naval trade, which is the best form of trade.
        And thats the trade iran wants to do since their land borders are mountainous and shit to traverse through. this makes them hard to invade but it also makes it hard for iran to invade others, hence why they technically should be a maritime power.
        >ballistic and cruise missiles and suicide drones
        Will get shot down/jammed? No country can make the chips needed for the high quality missiles and drones, not even america. Which is why trade again is so important. Having trade sanctions as iran does also means that their air defense and facilities are shit, and if destroyed takes a long ass time to rebuild. Hence the israelis airstriking iran with impunity

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    iron dome is almost as expensive as throwing sidewinders, and one more drop in our defense budget is an easier sell to congress than buying the israelites another billion dollar reload

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't the Iron Dome interceptors only like $50k each? Sidewinders, at least the new ones are like $400k each

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why wouldn’t they engage the drones with gunfire tbqh. Does the F-15 have an autocannon?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The drones are flying too slow to safely engage with guns, they fly slower than the stall speed of a typical fighter jet, so if you try to do guns, you risk your pilots getting target fixation and stalling out their fighter. And if they have the discipline not to stall, it means that they a short window to attempt a gun intercept, and if they miss, they have to go around for another pass, which can be somewhat tough for small targets like that. Better to spend the money on a sidewinder.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >How many missiles can the US make a year?
    About t'ree fitty.

    >How many American missiles accomplish their mission?
    About t'ree fitty.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    He kinds does. The US has like 100k a2a missiles lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw you have enough AAM to shoot down every military aircraft in the world
      >including your own

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Literally no one bothers mentioning this because no one cares if it’s not a Western military that fails this badly, but still, HALF of your missile forces fail? That’s fricking DISASTROUS. These are actual military missile systems, no matter how ghetto they seem compared to others. It’s not like Hamas smuggling home made bottle rockets through tunnel shooting from backyards, these things are real military missiles run by a real nation’s military force as a part of a real national defense strategy — and HALF of them fail at launch or during mid-flight? The fall-out from this inside of Iran is going to be EPIC. I bet there’s a huge shake-up of the command structure incoming. Pay close attention to the news and analysis coming out of the region to see how this impacts Iran’s missile strategy. Remember they put ayatollah pictures all over this shit, and have directly associated the dear leader with failure. How I wish we could listen to the hysterical screaming going on in the Iranian government meetings.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      do you think they will torture the guys that fricked up?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I really hope those clericBlack folk get hung high and all the mosques are burned. I want to return to how it once was.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The fall-out from this inside of Iran is going to be EPIC. I bet there’s a huge shake-up of the command structure incoming.
      Lol no. They don't give a frick. The only goal is to be and stay in power. A bunch of missiles failing doesn't affect that at all.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why dont they shoot down missiles in Ukraine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You need to be a Tier 3 Ally or greater for that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has a metric frick ton of nooks compared to iran which maybe has a couple dirty bombs, and Ukraine is literally not an ally yet. you need to be an official paper work ally, then be allied fro several decades to get missile shooting privileges

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you need to be an official paper work ally, then be allied fro several decades to get missile shooting privileges
        no you just need many israelites in the us to support you
        clearly ukies don't have that

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ukies don't have that
          This is honestly something they should have thought about beforehand

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's a non-zero chance the Russians might down a US fighter flying over Ukraine, but Iran downing a US fighter flying over Israel or Jordan?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because the Russians are homosexuals and might declare their missiles being shot down an act of aggression, and they still have the ability to do something about it.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You're absolutely right. Industrial capacity can't be summoned out of thin air. That's why Putin's been a godsend for American national security. His chimpout in Ukraine has led to us investing in the defense industrial base now, instead of waiting for a war with China to breakout and then having to improvise everything on the fly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Spanish Civil War and British shadow factories version 2

      History repeats

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >US estimating 1.2million a year by 2025
      That's pretty grim for Ukrsine tbh, thank frick Europe is actually trying

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Iran probably can
    Anything's probable if you believe!

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If these wars go full scale I'll do whatever it takes to work in a US munitions factory just to apply my superior work ethic and mental capacity against whatever it is you support.

    14 hours a day 7 days a week for years if I have to or die trying
    (cus they gots to Pay. Me. BOYEEEEEE, unlike you vatniks)
    frick you

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This is literally just live fire target practice for them. Don't often get this kind of opportunity. Most fighter pilots basically never get to shoot air to air missiles for real.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If the US had invaded Mexico in 2022 and was still stuck around Tijuana at this point they sure as shit would be producing more artillery shells than that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Tijuana
      Hey, let's give them SOME credit; as the crow flies Ensenada is almost exactly as far from NAS North Island as Bakhmut is from the Russian border. Lel.

      [...]
      >Do you think that is sustainable
      Depends, European airforces would be crippled right now because they would exhaust their supply. For the US it's probably doable.
      I am still of the opinion that shooting missiles at everything is fricking stupid and designed as a massive fricking MIC grift since missile cost a shit ton more than radar-slaved anti-air autocannons. US is already rolling out the laser point-defense so the military has realized there needs to be an intermediate instead of just launching expensive ass missiles at lawnmower drones.

      >US is already rolling out the laser point-defense
      [FLAMENCO INTENSIFIES]

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    well ask them nicely to get some cooler shit to blow up

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    There needs to be a study on melanin and cognitive impairment.. there's just no way there isn't a relation lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Judging by your display of cognitive impairment I can already hypothesize your skin tone. I will publish a white paper about this, which is poetic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      we generally refer to various studies on intelligence based on race.
      yes, there is correlation.
      go ask /misc/ if you want to see the graphic.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Do you think that is sustainable
    Depends, European airforces would be crippled right now because they would exhaust their supply. For the US it's probably doable.
    I am still of the opinion that shooting missiles at everything is fricking stupid and designed as a massive fricking MIC grift since missile cost a shit ton more than radar-slaved anti-air autocannons. US is already rolling out the laser point-defense so the military has realized there needs to be an intermediate instead of just launching expensive ass missiles at lawnmower drones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Tijuana
      Hey, let's give them SOME credit; as the crow flies Ensenada is almost exactly as far from NAS North Island as Bakhmut is from the Russian border. Lel.

      [...]
      >US is already rolling out the laser point-defense
      [FLAMENCO INTENSIFIES]

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I am still of the opinion that shooting missiles at everything is fricking stupid and designed as a massive fricking MIC grift
      because you're an idiot
      >since missile cost a shit ton more than radar-slaved anti-air autocannons
      wrong
      overall, buying massive numbers of advanced AA would be more expensive, because fighters are mobile and have more than one use
      these are STRIKE Eagles, it's the USA using bombers as missile defence
      >US is already rolling out the laser point-defense so the military has
      been working on laser antimissile defence for decades and are way ahead of you

      [...]

      >Do you think that is sustainable
      yes, because the US has 50 times the GDP of Iran

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes Abdullah, two more cruise missile wunderwaffles and the west will run out of money it prints.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Again with believing manufacturing and a supply line can magically ramp
    what exactly do you think happened in russia for them to produce at their current rate then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No you don't understand, anon.
      The West has fallen.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >We didn't hit anything of value and you shot the vast majority of it down but it cost you money so we win!
    The cope is real.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >335th Fighter Squadron
    Eagle squadron!

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    F-1SEX Eagles

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't a sidewinder a heat seeking missile? What does it even lock on to with a Shaheed? The tiny prop can't have much heat signature.

    Could it have been amraams guided by an awacs plane after launch?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those chang balloons were shot down with sidewinders.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Isn't a sidewinder a heat seeking missile?
      Yes and no. The first models could only lock on to the jet engine from behind, but these days they have been all aspect for decades.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Modern IR just needs a heat difference, they don't need a signature. Even shasneeds look different to the sky and ground using an IR camera you can buy off of eBay/Amazon.

      They can lock onto a rubber band driven plane if they wanted to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It isn't just a hot spot sensor anymore. Heat seekers are full thermal imagers now. Anything warmer than the background sky can be found and locked onto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA

      Also, very based of you captcha.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon there is Sa-7 Soviet manual in the net. It can lock on AN-2 and Mi-1 helicopters. Shaheeds engine is smaller but mind you Sa-7 had uncooled (!) seeker that can't even lock head on on jets.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Must have been a fricking blast to be a pilot on that day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ace Combat?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >No time for a brief, the Eruseans just launched a barrage of drone systems, cruise missiles, as well as rocket launchers from their clandestine proxies in the region towards the front!
        >Alert birds are already in the air, just get off the runway fast - AWACS will direct you targets as they enter our area of responsibility.

        blasts at earrape levels as Trigger goes around annihilating everything that enters the airspace with AMRAAMs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Not LRSSG Debriefing II
          Fission Mailed, anon.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The missiles fly over US airbases so they have an excuse to intercept them en route. That's not the case in Ukraine since we haven't turned Western Russia into a buffer state yet.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    90% of USA's military exists solely to fight for Israel, and the other 10% is on stand by to fight for Israel.

    The US military in Europe and even most of it in Japan and Korea, and elsewhere is to protect israeli interests from the locals, not to protect Europe from Russia or Japan and Korea from China.

    In fact, US based National Guard really exists to protect our Israeli run US Govt from its subjects. That is why we are seeing National Guard units deployed in several states in spite of no new emergency except re-newed and new levels of American citizens questioning our "special relationship with Israel".

    GWOT and Israelification of US Military as Army of Occupation against a well armed Islamic-Christian population wasn't a pivot against the Muslims as it was training to be Army of Occupation in USA for American citizens.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >and Iran probably can produce 50,000 flying lawnmowers a year
    what makes you think iran is going to survive a whole year in the event of war with the US?

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Anyone replying to this fails to realise Russians count both 152mm AND 122mm shells and ONLY compare them to 155mm western shells.
    I've seen this shilling EVERY single time I see this shit brought up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russians count both 152mm AND 122mm
      They also include all types of mortar shells in that number.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Sidewinders have a shelf life even if it is decades. Most of them are never fired in anger. Unless this becomes a frequent thing, that money was already lost the day it was accepted into operational use.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    90000-0

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why is there a plate on the bottom of the canopy that covers the WSO's seat?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's a F-15C single seater

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    artilllery shells don't matter dumbo. the us produces far more PGMs (JDAMs cruise missiles, himars GMLRS, etc). far more than russia.

    the west doesn't us artillery the same way russia does. in any war with the west the planes will be doing most of the lifting.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I know your propagandists tell you that the US is at war with Russia. But that's not true.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And no the Bethlehem steel industry is gone and US is dependent on steel imports.

      China makes over 1000 tons of steel per year.
      US makes barely 20.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not that anon, but the iranian drones arent made of steel but sand and sugarcane

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Unguided shells
    You'll spend at least three turning over dirt for every one that has effect on target.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Do you think that is sustainable
    Absolutely. Iran just ruined its reputation and its economy has been hamstrung by sanctions, which are about to get much worse. It can't 'sustain' acting like a moron for much longer without another revolt breaking out.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Iran GDP: 0.5 trillion USD
    >Shasneed cost: 0.3 million
    >US GDP: 23 trillion
    >Patriot missile cost: 6 million

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Using PAC-3s against lawnmower drones? How deliciously extravagant!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a notional example of course
        Sidewinders cost no more than a million a pop

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No need to explain, dear fellow! Though perhaps we might consider a Ground-Based Interceptor instead?

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    And then they should karate chop all the shot down pilots and exfiltrate out on skateboards.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    But it’s not true, the f15 is not a much better plane. Why did you cope about that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the F-15E isn't a good plane
      I mean it has ungodly levels of power and an AESA radar but continue to cope.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >an AESA radar is "a little bit better"
    >i'm apparently warriortard now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >warriortard gets called out in his threads and they get deleted
      >warriortard quickly gets mad
      >he then goes into other threads and call other posters warriortard out of spite and to make his haters look irrational
      First time? There is a reason why no one really likes warriortard.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You're the only person bringing up warriortard, "anon". F-15E is an amazing aircraft.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The F-22 isn't dogshit though, it's an absurdly good aircraft for air to air. It stomps literally any aircraft that isn't an F-35 or another F-22.

    Also yeah, you are the only person bringing up warriortard. Do you know literally anything about the F-15E?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The F-22 isn't dogshit though, it's an absurdly good aircraft
      >ignore that the F-22 is largely untested in combat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my modern semi-auto rifle might not be battle tested but i for sure know it's going to beat a flintlock.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many drones would count as a"1" in padding the F-15's A2A record?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      None
      if they're not even capable of shooting back, they shouldn't count
      it's exactly like WW2 pilots shooting down V-1 rockets, it's not easy but it's certainly not as dangerous as dogfighting an enemy pilot

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >now apparently F-15Es dumping on 70 cruise missiles and drones is "a bad thing"
    >despite the fact that cruise missile interception has been a mission for fighters since cruise missiles were invented

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    i mean, isn't that the default midwit response anyway?
    "it's newer than old thing therefore hasn't proven itself"
    people who know nothing about a topic will often say this reflexively.
    not that it can't end up being true, but it usually isn't.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Shooting down 70 drones
    Ah frick it's the tutorial mission before the main single player campaign

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Based. They should delete all browns in a 500 kilometer radius

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >well yes, i like being played like a fiddle and get mad over the wrong people while i'm at it
    Sounds like a you problem.

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >post deleted
    So, this was another post by warriortard pretending to be another annoyed bystander. Curious.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      of course
      it was obvious that was the ol fartsniffer

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    172:0 unmatched

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >F-15’s just flew low over my house

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the goal was actually to waste ur ammo!

    Ive heard kids in ARK say the same shit when i blow up their mud hut

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    imagine seething this hard because your walmart drones failed to do anything. Seethe and sneed shitskin, you will never be a superpower

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >walmart drones
      I think even that is overselling their capabilities.

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >MANPADS shooting down F-15's
    You don't know shit about frick. MANPADS have a max range of like 3km. F-15's will be operating at 10km+.

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >no source in OP
    >thread devolves to shit
    Many such cases, frick you OP.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Biden's Instagram
      https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5wo3DuMMoa/
      >I spoke with members of the 494th and 335th Fighter Squadrons today to commend them for their exceptional airmanship and skill in defending Israel from an unprecedented aerial attack by Iran. These brave servicemembers make us all proud.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://theaviationist.com/2024/04/15/biden-talked-to-f-15e-aircrews/
      https://www.airandspaceforces.com/usaf-fighters-shoot-down-iranian-drones-in-defense-of-israel/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        so OP lied and confused air wings with squadrons.
        not that air wings commanded by only Lieutenant Colonels made any sense.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Set the drones to fly low and as slow as possible forcing them to slow down and come within range of ground
    You do know look down/shoot down against cruise missiles is a thing even the Soviets with the basic b***h PVO MiG-23P or MLA had figured out by the mid 70s, right?

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    moron, that requires you to control the ground and airspace the drones will be flying through, which means you're either striking targets in your own territory or within MANPADs range from the front line.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ask why USA defends a nation that it has no direct military or defensive alliance with
    >get warned

    hmm...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well Israel IS America's greatest ally, thats what the ~~*media*~~ says!

      >pic related
      All the ~~*compromised*~~ jannies are only proving my point. They must have had their base pay tripled for them to be working so hard for their masters

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's more likely you got warned for saying Black person
        Maybe I will too

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's rather more likely he got warned for going on about Black folk and da joos with every (second) post.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no direct military or defensive alliance
      yeah man why isn't real life like paradox games

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >started warning
      Damn. To be fair i was really on a roll with the jokes when the shill threads were popping. Not to boast to an insufferable degree or anything, I'll leave that to them.

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know the USA couldn't just ignore these drones/missiles for obvious reason but I still find it disgusting that even after this valuable help Israel will shit on the American administration as far as Gaza is related and act like a rogue state.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They recently bumped up the aid going in, which was our main demand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        wrong.
        main demand is a cease-fire. there's even an UN resolution for this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >main demand is a cease-fire
          Not by us.
          >UN anything
          lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Not by us.
            "an immediate ceasefire is essential"
            https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/04/04/readout-of-president-joe-bidens-call-with-prime-minister-netanyahu-of-israel-3/

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              We could tell the Israelis to come to an agreement tomorrow and accept Hamas demands if we really cared. We're not because we're happy to see Hamas get owned, and so are the rest of the Arab governments. Learn to read the tea leaves Mahmoud.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >We could tell the Israelis to come to an agreement tomorrow and accept Hamas demands if we really cared.
                potus literally did this:
                "he urged the Prime Minister to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Telling them to negotiate is not the same thing as telling them there needs to ceasefire at any cost.
                We have multiple interests. Ceasefire is on the list, but not at any price.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this is getting absurd.
                potus called an immediate ceasefire essential. there were no pre-conditions to be met by hamas.
                israel is clearly ignoring u.s. interests.
                assassinating highly-ranked uniformed soldiers of iran without giving notice endangered every single u.s. soldier in the middle east.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is honestly something the US should have thought of before butting in to the middle east.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Quick, what year did the US start "butting in" to the middle east?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the year an u.s. president first set foot in the middle east

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And yet we're continuing to sell weapons instead of working to isolate them. Because we don't actually care all that much. This would be obvious to anyone who has an IQ over 68.
                >israel is clearly ignoring u.s. interests.
                Okay, now I'm demoralized.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                israel aid and money to support u.s. operations in the middle east have been stuck in congress for months

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this never stopped the weapons from flowing to israel though. only reason why that one bill is still in the house is because its aid is tied to ukraine and republicucks don't like it when you send aid to ukraine. but a vote will happen this week so we'll see

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >only reason why that one bill is still in the house is because its aid is tied to ukraine and republicucks don't like it when you send aid to ukraine.
                this is incorrect.
                a clean israel aid bill also failed in february.
                https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/02/06/congress/house-solo-israel-bill-flops-00139936

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The White House had derided it as a “cynical political maneuver,” as Republicans roundly reject a more comprehensive and bipartisan border security-foreign aid deal negotiated in the Senate

                >I believe that there are 300 votes for Ukraine. There are 400 votes for Israel,” he said in an interview. “Not putting humanitarian aid in this bill is a despicable continuation of Republican policy, which says to the American people and the rest of the world: You're on your own.”
                >“There's no conditions on any aid and there's horrific stuff going on,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “There's no Ukraine aid in here. This is just a way for Speaker Johnson to try to change the discussion.”
                the bill didn't fail because it was going to israel. but because of republicuck frickery. the white house has always wanted the bill to be tied to aid to ukraine and financing the border it was never going to pass alone. it was just political posturing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                gop controls the house. the clean israel aid bill failed because of their own infighting. the white house didn't have to veto anything.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > the clean israel aid bill failed because of their own infighting
                only 14 republicans opposed it vs 166 democrats. it was never going to pass without major democrat numbers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                why were the rules suspended? gops own the rules committee.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's typical for foreign aid bills

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Immediate ceasefire *and immediate release of hostages; neither side will abide by this

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >assassinating highly-ranked uniformed soldiers of iran without giving notice endangered every single u.s. soldier in the middle east.

                I miss all the decades before the assassination when U.S. soldiers were completely safe everywhere in the middle east. Oh wait-

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know the Strike Eagles are deployed in Jordan, but I wonder if they crossed into Iraq and Syria. It's not like Syria would have tried to do anything anyway. Also, wonder if any gun cam footage from the USAF will get released.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I know the Strike Eagles are deployed in Jordan,
      how? Pentagon wouldn't say.
      "GEN. RYDER: We had deployed some additional fighter units into the region. But I'd have to refer to CENTCOM, whether or not those units were already in the AOR, whether they were additional units that had been deployed in support of bolstering our efforts there."

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so we've just minted the first American air aces of the 21st century, and all they did was dunk on some meme-tier trash drones powered by lawnmower enginea from alibaba. god what a moronic reality we love in, I love it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pew pew pew. people forget that the cruise missiles get handled the same way

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        shasneed is just a very slow cruise missile yes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i think terrain following cruise missiles would be harder to shootdown. i don't know. like why doesn't russia shootdown storm shadows with it's fighter jets

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Apparently, the IAF used primarily AIM-7 Sparrows and some Sidewinders and Pythons.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I doubt they used Sparrows for a harmless drone. They probably had them for enemy aircraft.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Pressing a button so thing a million kilometers away goes boom
      >aces

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unmanned craft don't count towards ace, not even the WW2 pilots potting V-1s.

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah, they got caught with their pants down and are on the receiving end of fire.

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Protect master Schlomo at all costs.

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