You are just a massive fricking moron. The true larp are all these people that fell for the tactical training shit, which is just a layer put on competitive shooting. Competition is what drives excellence in any area and all aspects of modern tactical shooting are based in competition. If it would be up to the government to decide how to shoot in the best way possible you would still enter stupid poses and try to off someone hip firing an m14.
Also competition drives progress. If not for competitive shooters your rifle and handgun would not have red dots.
The first priority in actual combat is staying alive.
How does running like a moron from a target to target you memorized an exact position of helps with that?
Old GWOT grunt here. Nobody shoots anyone in modern combat, for the most part. The vast, vast majority of casualties are arty and CAS. If your goal is to kill the other guy before he kills you, you'd be much better served in a military setting being your platoon's forward observer and getting really good at accurately directing fires. If you're not the FO, your main goal is simply going to be to not die. You're not going to see who or what you're shooting at most of the time because the other guy is also trying to not die. Cherrypicked videos of Ukraine are not the rule. They are the exception, as they've been since we discovered how to make large explosions happen away from where any of our guys are. In most cases, in a military setting, the absolute last thing you want to do is get upright and run around trying to shoot someone. It's common sense once you're actually in that situation, but most people have never actually been in that situation so here we are arguing again over whether or not blappy tacticsman is a moron for having pretensions to expertise over anything but his meme course.
He sure is good at shooting, but shooting doesn't keep you alive. Nothing will. If your ticket is punched in a war, it's fricking punched, and there's nothing you can do about that. A lot of this shit is just trying to get control over something that's inherently uncontrollable. War is brutal, capricious, and unforgiving. Its machinations could spell the end of your life on a whimsical twist of fate as easily as if you're Jerry Miculek or Bobby Stump from Cookietown, Oklahoma.
There's no way to transmit knowledge of any of this in a way that would impact anyone, but I'm sure trying hard. Be a good shot for sure. It very well may save your life. But don't think it gives you any real control or makes you somehow better suited to surviving at war. It doesn't.
It instills muscle memory for everything that isn't a dynamic part of combat.
You think this incel would be fumbling his reload like this if he trained weekly?
If you want the details google dallas courthouse shooting
but tl;dr it was some /misc/cel who shot through the front door of a courthouse.
He panicked(pic related) then tried running away, but a security guard shot him in the back or something with a single shot. He died in the parking lot.
He basically encapsulates the "training is larping". He thought he was going to go on a killing spree but he died a little b***h.
Checked. Oh I see, so another Tarrant copycat then? Nothing_to_see_here.jpeg
He would've been better of serving his people by lifting heavy ass weights, learning bushcraft, and IT cyber security OSINT skills to help catch pedophiles online. Too many good men get jammed up because of the momentary globoschlomoschizo zeitgeist we're subjected to on a daily basis.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>white people are not responsible for their actions
>Bro you lift metal weights to train for combat? Don't you know that there are no barbells in firefights?
You are moronic. Competitive shooting like USPSA trains important skills in shooting: Draw, presentation, sight acquisition, trigger control, rapid fire, general accuracy, target transitions, shooting while moving, etc...
For actual combat it should be augmented with specific training that focuses on shooting homies, but there's a reason a lot of SOF dudes shoot comps.
>from a target to target you memorized an exact position of
Uh, do you have a job anon? A house? Do you spend 90% of your time at those two locations?
What purpose would it serve for the courses top be run blind when it's overwhelmingly likely that if you have to use your gun it'll be in a familiar place?
a friend of mine calls the impulse for niche consumers and hipsters to sneed and feed their way out of ever acknowledging the efficiency of competition >hierarchy avoidance
it's flawed / reductive, but it captures the main thing. the differentia of competitive fields is interesting. you can compete along practically any dimension of life that a handful of people can agree is fun or stimulating to cultivate.
being opposed to the parameterization of sports and the ranking of participants within those parameters can be a matter of taste, and everyone will take issue with one sport or another at some point. but if you oppose sport to a fault, you're probably just not processing a whole chunk of the human experience out of avoidance.
Well for one you most likely erroneously used “efficiency” when you meant “efficacy” and a number of phrases and words used are not “normal” English. Therefore it seems like either ESL or AI slop.
There is a good reason why government people never use practical shooting stuff.
Biathlon was originally military sport but it slowly became gay clown show it is now and same can be seen with practical but practical has its roots on self defense shooting.
Biathalon is the way it is so that more countries can do it. It would be very difficult for a japanese athelete to practice if they had to use a fricking arasaka. You put all the value of the sport on the guns used because you are a child
I dont see how your statement contradicts his, other that you acting like a massive homosexual. Gun laws are part of what makes biathlon shittier because things get limited. Or are you one of the lefty touristas who want to ban everything? You really cant make assumptions here these days...
Mostly agree, but the one area competition is bad for combat is gear choice. Most top tier competition guns and gear heavily sacrifice durability (and for triggers, negdis safety) for pure high speed performance.
The best mix is combat proven guns and gear being used in competitive training.
A custom $3k+ 2011 with a 1lb trigger, dainty CMore dot with 5 minutes of battery life, and a bulky slide wienering handle on the side is not a good sustained combat option. Neither is a similarly set up precision gassed Competition AR.
Yeah I mean nobody is forcing you to compete in open and it's very obvious that the people who do well with those setups also do well with "standard" rifles/pistols too, there's just a massive cope from people who are terrible shooters that think open shooters, issf, etc rely entirely on their equipment and can't shoot without their "crutches"
I'm just saying to maximize translation of practice to a combat scenario, you should use guns that are practical choices for self defense or combat in general, not precision geared competition focused gun setups.
Whatever you carry should be the pistol you compete with, whatever is your shit hit the fan long gun at your house should be the one you compete with if you want competitive training to serve as combat prep.
>real life is a competition and your 10 to 20 assailants tell you to ready up before beeping
This is the sort of shit I'm talking about. Fricking larping nonsense. Great sport for marksmanship in a timely manner, but it has no bearing on your life otherwise.
>practice situations that are much harder than you would ever reasonably experience in real life >Durr how that make you good at shooting?
You want realistic practice? Go to the range, set up a target less than 7 yards away, shoot five rounds at it as fast as possible, then pack up and leave. Going by statistics, that's the best way to simulate a self defense scenario. It's also the best way to never get good at shooting.
>football teams layers doing 100 yard sprints is LARPing nonsense, when are you going to run with the ball from your own goal line into the other end zone!
I swear, the average /k/ommando has no experience with ANYTHING much less guns.
Is there aspects of competition that are gamified and ridiculous, but that’s to show more of a difference between competitors and if you’re doing it for training, why do you care if other people do better because of gamer setups?
Either you’re moronic or intentionally missing the point.
When you take your motorcycle test, in America which has notoriously lax standards, you have to do stuff like a figure 8 in a parking spot, slalom and other stuff.
Will 99.9% of riders ever need to do those maneuvers? No, that’s not the point, the point is to become proficient at those more difficult maneuvers so you’ll be able to easily do the simpler ones that you’ll actually do on the street.
Now if you were to make a competition out of a motorcycle test, you’d want to make it much harder, because a lot of skilled riders could easily pass the test with a perfect score, making the competition pointless.
The real thing being practiced is marksmanship on the clock. That's the most useful skill coming out of these "practical" competitions, the guys shooting it are excellent. Can't say enough for its value in making you a better shooter generally.
Not much else translates to real life, because life/death situations aren't a scripted set of targets on a timer. It's like claiming being a racecar driver makes you better on the road than the next guy, that semi truck driver asleep at the wheel slamming into you didn't care who you were till you put on the mask.
Your assailant won't care that you were a skilled shooter, you may not see him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The course is what makes it a sport. If it was just static bill drills it would be boring.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have a curtain and send the shooter in blind with no information.
No course information at all, now you are also traing your perception.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thats fine for training but awful for competition. This is a SPORT anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The sport stands anon, the targets are delineated between friendly and enemy. You're on the timer to shoot the course overseen by an official.
Shoot the course faster and more accurate than the next guy and you win.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>a sport but no one gets to watch
Sorry bud this is a stupid idea. You spend 90% of your time at these matches watching other people shoot, if you had to spend that time just sitting and waiting it would be BORING.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you're so opposed to it, then do it for just one course. That would shake things up.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thats just a shoot house, yes militaries have them
3 months ago
Anonymous
It teaches you other skills like moving, using cover, etc. just because there’s one skill it doesn’t teach doesn’t make it useless. Shooting at a single target on a static range doesn’t teach you how to find targets either.
Seriously, you sound like you went to a comp, got rekt and are now butthurt about it and seething online about it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>teaches >moving >using cover
Real life won't necessarily afford you that opportunity. Again, the marksmanship is the primary skill being trained that will translate outside the sport.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This thread reminds me of combat sports in the late 90s and early 00s. Fat fricks would say that there was no need fight in the ring/cage because it was not real life and all their techniques were too deadly. However, the stress of walking into a ring/cage fight is high, you learn to control those emotions, and actually hurt someone. So what if I can’t eye gouge, bite, and attack the groin…
it's so obvious reading things like that that many people here have never been good at anything in their lives
never been good at sports so they don't understand the value of practice, never been good academically so they don't understand the value of study, never been good at maintaining relationships so they don't understand the value of friendliness, the list goes on
just a bunch of miserable bucket crabs enraged at the thought that anyone else could climb out
>competition drives progress
Most of the time. Sometimes, the rules of a competition are responsible for stagnating an entire market segment. I know this isn't the same as the progress you were talking about, but cowboy action shooting rules continue to ignore the fact that double action revolvers existed in the old west. As a result, we have twenty million SAA reproductions and not one DA top break repro.
https://i.imgur.com/sUxYlI7.jpg
Dynamic shooting is a gay larp.
As others have said, it's a sport and you're a gay, but you do have somewhat of a point. Some people get it backwards and think what matters in a competition is that same as what practically matters, the biggest offender being quick reloads. Speed reloads with a semi auto, and even with a revolver sometimes, do not matter at all outside of competitions and that is a fact. Prove me wrong, but the only cases I've ever heard of where anyone died due to a slow reload, average Joe or LEO, was reloading single rounds with a revolver. Yet these competitions like IDPA/USPSA put so much emphasis on speed reloads to the point where you cannot hope to be a serious competitor unless you drill reloads. To me, that's a huge waste of my time to practice a specific skill that is meaningless outside of the match.
Then there's also the gear aspect, where in an IDPA match, I put my mags in my pocket because that's where I carry them. But then I will always lose time on the reload to the guy with the OWB mag pouch and a fishing vest. The gun restrictions are also gay since you can't use anything less powerful than 9mm outside of BUG in IDPA, so some well-known duty pistols like the Sig P230 and Makarov that are too big for the BUG box are just not allowed. With all that being said, I would really like to see a newer competition option come up that is a true “shoot what you have” club and focuses on more realistic scenarios. Until then, I practice those on my own.
I meant "shoot what you have" as in any handgun is fine and the point would be getting people in to compete with the lowest barrier to entry possible. I haven't sat down and drafted a rulebook or anything, but my ideal competition club wouldn't be very competitive at all. It would be a more casual experience where people could get to shoot on a timer in well-designed, but short stages. I suppose a guy could come in with a Volquartsen 22/45 every weekend and always put up the best score, but this club would be more about getting the average concealed carrier in to improve themselves through competition, and I think the really competitive types would get bored with it quickly and move on to IPDA/USPSA.
Money dear boy, except for a couple regional or national matches with sponsors, most matches are club run, with the same people that shoot showing before and staying afterwards to set up the stages and tear it down afterwards. To shoot my idpa qual locally i had to set up the stuff myself with the president of the club as my work schedule was weird. Plus it's a lot easier to have mesh "walls" and drums you can just easily move around than building several dedicated shoothouses of wood or brick. Canvas gets torn and is expensive, and plywood is heavy. Plus you need to standardize courses of fire if you want it to catch on anything but a very local level, so people will still know it more or less. It wouldn't work, the idea sounds good, but unless you're filthy rich and plan on sponsoring the sport as a pet project it'll stay a dream
I am not wealthy, so I would like to get all my shooting pals together to make it a "thing" at the local range, and from there, we can turn it into a local event. It could grow, it might not, but I would like to try since there is a distinct lack of competition organizations that actually focus on practicing shooting skills for the average Joe. I might contact my local range to see if I can organize something like that during the summer. It should be a fun time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>there is a distinct lack of competition organizations that actually focus on practicing shooting skills for the average Joe
probably because having multiple would mean dividing the 'playerbase'? you already have a divide with USPSA and IPDA
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think there's an opening for my idea because there is no competition group that particularly caters to the modern citizen who carries a gun. IDPA is the most recent of the two you mentioned and it started in 1996, and some people still refer to it as "90s action shooting". A lot has changed since then in regards to the average Joe carrying a gun, and I think a new competitive group could get the noobs in. It probably wouldn't even take competitors away from IDPA/USPSA since the people who really like the competitive aspect would go on to join either of those two groups anyways.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I am not wealthy, so I would like to get all my shooting pals together to make it a "thing" at the local range, and from there, we can turn it into a local event. It could grow, it might not, but I would like to try since there is a distinct lack of competition organizations that actually focus on practicing shooting skills for the average Joe. I might contact my local range to see if I can organize something like that during the summer. It should be a fun time.
Okay, how will you set up your courses of fire, and your scenarios, if your range agrees they'll loan you or rent you a couple bays, if you're really lucky someone else already has a bunch of mesh walls, barrels and other shit laying around, but i doubt they'd loan them to you, specially if you snob at their particular sport. Will you buy and make your own? Where will you store the stuff? Who'll provide the targets and target stands? Do you have a certified range officer? The range due to insurance policies might simply tell u no because of liability.
I unironically wish you luck and success, but mainly because i want more ppl to go out and shoot and practice.
I currently have access to a private range, so i can shoot whenever and however i like, but before I'd go to the woods and set up targets for dot torture and do draw fire, holster, repeat for a long time as most ranges won't let you because of the lowest common denominator >this moron shot himself so nobody can have fun
Honestly you seem to want to just train instead of compete, kudos to you. Best bet might be if you can secure access to a rural property in the boonies and then slowly build up a range. Still costs a lot of $$. Better find a range that allows rental of large private bays, get someone to get RO certified and start there, if your buddies are really serious you can see if they wanna pool cash to buy props, etc
3 months ago
Anonymous
The liability factor is the main reason why I haven't taken the steps to do the real thing. I have all the material supplies and they can fit in my vehicle, I could probably rent out a couple bays for a few hours, and I have one friend who could be the range officer with official backing, but I don't have the national support that the other competitive leagues have and I don't have their lawyers if someone shoots a round through their leg or worse. You're right that I just want to train and that's mostly what my competition idea is based off of. It would be about competing against yourself and your own previous time, but also include some casual hanging out with the guys and seeing what other people are doing to maybe improve what you're doing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So why not just go to uspsa and compete in limited optics, limited, ss, revolver or stock? Or idpa in stock or the like? Most ppl compete like that. Just grab a couple friends and go in the same squad, don't bother yourself about the race boomers. Go, see how u do, then go again next time and see how ur HF, time, etc compare, you'll identify what areas you need to work upon, etc. You don't even have to walk the course, u get 5 mins to do so, and u can do something else instead.
I have so far competed with the following through diff years:
-m&p 2.0 9mm
-cz 75bd
-SA 1911 MC operator 45
-SA ronin 9mm
-Kimber Polymer doublestack 45 (bul m5)
-Glock 17
-Beretta 92fs type G
-s&w 5906
I use a blackhawk tlr1 ret holster or a 1791 leather one depending on gun, and surplus police mag pouches. I don't use optics, and keep the guns as stock as possible.
I plan on going with a model 28-2 once i get more speedloaders. And i wanna try my 4006tsw.
You are not going there to beat the pros, just to beat your previous score and improve what needs to be improved. If you want to train with buddies go ahead, but competition wise you're making a bigger deal about stuff than it needs to be
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I plan on going with a model 28-2
Man you don't want to rapid fire those .38 cal N-frames. The extra mass in the cylinder(from not being bored out to big boy calibers) beats the shit out of the bolt and cylinder notches when you go fast.
pull your head out of your own ass. red dots are shit and late 1800s trappers would shoot circles around most modern competition shooters. the military has never been an authority on how to shoot or even maintain a firearm. not all competition modifications are beneficial to the average user nor do they always add reliability to the firearm, and knowledge and technique certainly does not always benefit from it either
hitting a moving target in brush with a muzzleloader will always be harder than shooting a stationary piece of paper at 25 yards or any benchrest competition. Dont kid yourself
>Shoot a lot >Hunt a lot
Latter probably had much more meaning in his efficiency.
I remember reading that white death was basically same as german kv fear.
Sniping is very different than other types of combat. It's basically secretly target shooting people, if people know where you are and can engage in 2 way combat you have by definition failed at sniping.
You're a complete idiot. You'd be D class in USPSA and Novice in IDPA and the only reason you say it's a LARP is because you suck balls and would get beat by a 12 year old girl.
it's the only kind of shooting that is not stationary that I can do in my country. We used to have special forces (police) guys make weekend long training courses for like 200 euro but the Prefecture put a stop to that.
It's definitely a larp if they take it seriously as though the real world works like a game.
It is a great competition though that promotes marksmanship on the clock.
i signed up for a local shooting league because its entry level, i suck, and it seemed like it would be fun. just static shooting at paper targets. despite it being advertised as entry level and the requirements were 'at least 32 acp with at least 8 rounds" its a bunch of guys with staccatos vying for perfect scores
what's a gay larp is shooting alongside people with guns that are literally ten times more expensive than the gun i'm shooting with ten times the experience. obviously they're better than me i'm not slighted by it but their goal for doing this doesn't seem to be competitiveness or improving themselves it really just seems to be keeping themselves at a level where they can dominate people who offer zero competetive threat while pretending they aren't
well when it comes to video games you're defining the scope of the competition by the game you're playing, so someone who is new to the game isn't going to have all of the occult minutae and moves memorized for that game in particular. and they will get shitwrecked. but there's always a level of skill separation understood by people who are being competetive. people who go out of their way to stunt on newbies are generally considered to be homosexuals in almost every game i've played, nobody likes smurfs
showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing. they have every right to do it i guess but it doesn't make them any less gay
So I daily carry a gun that holds 15+ rounds, has a comp and a red dot. With a spare mag, nice holster, etc it is probably $2k altogether. I live within 2 hours of exactly 1 decent pistol league. Should I instead leave that gun at home and go with something lesser to keep it "fair"? I shoot in my backyard almost daily, so I have way more practice than most of the people I compete against. I also can justify spending 2 grand on a gun that will likely never be used in anger because I will shoot 10k+ rounds through it a year in perpetuity. >showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing
A child showing up to the arcade to play a fighting game should expect to get their ass beat and when they do so they shouldn't cry about how the adults know all the combos and have a copy of the game at home.
As a shitter i dont really mind when a pro shows up. I went to a random local match and one of MPA's pro shooters was there. He was a prick but also tore it up and it was fun to watch someone be that good and glean a few tricks from them
>he was a prick
A common characteristic for the high levels in most sports. The competitive mindset is often a disease when examined outside a competition environment.
>he was a prick
A common characteristic for the high levels in most sports. The competitive mindset is often a disease when examined outside a competition environment.
Most of the MPA guys are really cool. Maybe except Mel Rodero. Frick that guy. Joey Sauerland is a based jacked autist, and Mike Hwang is also pretty chill. Travis Tomasie is pretty much the nicest guy you can imagine.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Whos the nutter with the X ring channel on youtube?
3 months ago
Anonymous
nah it was andrew hyder
3 months ago
sage
you must have been a tard because ive shot A5 and other matches with andrew and hes a nice guy.
I went to a competition (a steel challenge type of thing where you shoot simultaneously and the loser gets eliminated) with a Saiga and beat one of the top competitors in round 1. Yeah, I was slow as shit, but he missed and I didn't. He was slightly salty afterwards lol (but ended up winning the whole thing because of a lucky loser seed)
its funny to me that you're treating the amount of money you're spending on guns as a competition, in a discussion about how competitive environments are full of people trying to make themselves look better rather than perform better
The person being replied to was complaining about "high end guns" being brought to their local competition. >showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing
Following reply chains isn't hard so I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
well when it comes to video games you're defining the scope of the competition by the game you're playing, so someone who is new to the game isn't going to have all of the occult minutae and moves memorized for that game in particular. and they will get shitwrecked. but there's always a level of skill separation understood by people who are being competetive. people who go out of their way to stunt on newbies are generally considered to be homosexuals in almost every game i've played, nobody likes smurfs
showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing. they have every right to do it i guess but it doesn't make them any less gay
Git gud gayet and you can be like them instead of whining
you know what gun won the limited nationals? a fricking canik, stop b***hing with this cope on why you lost.
Its not the gun, its you.
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Git gud gayet and you can be like them instead of whining
Gear is maybe 5% of the equation, the rest is you. I compete with a Glonk 17 and consistently mog the boomers running $3k race guns and shooting 9mm major. Before that I was finishing mid-pack overall while shooting single stack with my $600 1911. I've noticed that a good portion of the dudes who own race guns think they can buy their way around having to practice. They'll buy a Staccato and get frustrated, start blaming the gun, sell it, buy an Atlas, get frustrated, sell it, repeat ad infinitum.
The only way to git gud is to get your reps in. Do dry fire every day, even if it's just sitting on the couch and aiming at whatever is on TV. Practice your draw, practice sight acquisition, practice your reloads, learn to call your shots, just spend time with the gun in general. You'll be demolishing boomers in no time.
Have any of you actually gone to a shooting competition ever?
Shooting competitions are good ways to put your skills to the test and find out a lot of things that you dont know. Example, you build your gun belt based on the instagram tactical operators, you go out to a comp for the first day and find out your positions are wrong and you're constantly fumbling trying to pull shit off your belt. So, you've learned you need to change it up.
What they are not, is training on how to fight in combat. Improving your drawstroke is not nearly as important as learning the difference between cover vs concealment, and how to maneuver on targets. I don't know, I've never got in a gun fight, but it's pretty obvious that the skills are not 1-to-1.
There are obvious gaps: example, competitions will frequently have stages where you fire behind cover, but this is less about actually protecting yourself (you are not deducted points if any of your limbs escape from cover for example) and more about shooting in an uncomfortable position.
At the higher levels of competition you run into metagaming. People shooting IPSC open class pistols and having belt rigs with next to no retention because it improves their draw time minutely.
But no one is forcing you to metagame. You can show up to a comp with completely the wrong setup (I show up with a SBR & can, both are actively detrimental for competition). And people will not judge you for it.
The skills are not directly 1-1 but competition is a way to get out and go shooting, and shooting practice time is never a bad thing.
Unironically milsim west gives some of these points too. Is it training? No, its silly BB wars with blank fire and hearing loss and a touch of sleep deprivation. Is it good for learning what to adjust on your kit in real world use? Yes, absolutely.
The rules are not the same, first you won't know you're in one until weapons are displayed, if you do then you're headed to frickmeintheass prison. You aren't likely using competition gear in day to day life. Life is truly dynamic, but in shooting competitions nothing is really dynamic, you know the course and are going through a Hollywood script better than the next guy in your division.
Marksmanship goes a long way and shooting sports prize that above all else, they're very good teachers. You will get proficient at shooting in these competitions.
I just came up with a new competitive shooting sport.
>scavenger hunt around town that should take about 4-5 hours to complete >competitor's are armed with simunition guns >at some point as you're going around town you will be attacked/robbed etc >you must defend yourself
Idk, I think a better test for the average random encounter is quickly drawing your gun and expending four rounds of ammunition as quick as possible at 7 yards to the target.
If you can get your draw time to be fast then you are fast.
They are not larping
They are athletes competing in a sport
Using their tools and gear for
Their intended purposes
Larper are on the hand are buying night vision and plates that will never be used for the intended purpose of killing combatants.
The intended purpose of a gun is to kill, but you just said that people find other ways to use it like sport. You don't need to kill with night vision either, just to see in the dark. You can't even kill with armor unless you beat someone with it
Its really more about being a realistic adult
Who >joins the army or foreign organization for the real >still shoots but is realistic in his head about it >maybe he trains with his ccw because he know it’s probably the only gun he needs >still has a bunch of other guns he realistically knows he will never use in anger >shoots competitively because it is a great sport to sharpen his skills as a gun man >maybe he own gear for collecting purposes or maybe shooting at a larp style 3 competition because shiny trophy cucks
And then we have the fantasyland man child >buys all the latest night vision, plate carriers, red dots for shooting with night vision. >goes to tactical training course and comes on here saying self taught can’t hit shit. >post sigma male on boomer book or twitter >things he is the main hero in a upcoming blockbuster >actually believes him and his squad of pretending homosexuals will be the saviors
All for them to come of ass the dollar store version of the real gun man
Who done it for real while larping homosexual stayed home playing vidya.
He probably will still out shoot him as well
Even Hollywood has gotten in on it
Why do you think civil war movie is coming up
It’s to drive sales of pointless gear
I found it very useful training. Using a longer slide version of my usual carry gun with a my normal T-shirt as concealment and extra mag in the same position as edc. I wasn’t gaming my set up. It improved my times for draw, reload, malfunction clearance, moving to cover, etc. Yes, the targets are stationary, but when the buzzer sounds there is a small adrenaline dump and my brain is telling me “Go Faster!” It’s shooting under pressure. Depending on how you approach it it can be pretty good for reinforcing skills. And, it’s fun as hell.
ive yet to see someone try and make a "go in blind" competition. what i mean is the shooter doesnt know the layout or even number of targets and targets dynamically pop out and hide. i dont know nor do i care to think about how to actually make this competetive and fair for everyone involved but id much rather take part in something like this than gay "heres the exact layout of your next stage so you can memorize where everything is".
You would probably need to go to some dedicated shoothouse for that kind of thing, but it would be nice. I've noticed in local IDPA matches that the first couple guys in the shooter order can get screwed because everyone watching can see where they screwed up on their stage strategy and adjust accordingly. That was always a bit of a bummer to me.
and this is why only the shooter actively on that stage should be able to know the layout of that stage but im sure comptetetive hype beasts would get aneurysm if that were the case
Mentioned earlier in the thread, this should absolutely exist. At least at one or two stages at a event.
i would like entire events like that
people that feel the constant need to compare themselves to others can’t handle adversity. this would cause mass hysteria
which is why op is correct in that dynamic shooting is just a min maxing competition that doesnt actually have that much to do with actually shooting
There are a lot of 2gun and action matches were certain stages are blind and have no walkthroughs. Not every stage, but they like throwing one in there every match. This is especially true for darkhouse stages.
The reason that it isn't always done is because it would take forever for someone to clear a stage, be very prone to breaking the 180, and the squad can't help paste targets if they haven't shot it yet, making it take longer to reset.
>The reason that it isn't always done is because it would take forever for someone to clear a stage, be very prone to breaking the 180, and the squad can't help paste targets if they haven't shot it yet, making it take longer to reset.
thats absolutely fair and understandable but theres "people" who dont even tolerate the idea of blind stages for self improvement and actively frown upon it
Idk most people at IDPA or USPSA matches wouldn't mind doing something like that: people like challenges hence why they're at a competition. The big problem is for match directors and ROs: blind stages are usually more concealed which makes it harder to tell if people are still resetting the stage. It's a safety thing which is why a lot of "walls" in dynamic shooting are just snow fences.
There are a lot of 2gun and action matches were certain stages are blind and have no walkthroughs. Not every stage, but they like throwing one in there every match. This is especially true for darkhouse stages.
The reason that it isn't always done is because it would take forever for someone to clear a stage, be very prone to breaking the 180, and the squad can't help paste targets if they haven't shot it yet, making it take longer to reset.
Sheltered morons in this thread would tell you that wrestling and boxing won't help you in a bar fight because there aren't rules and the other guy could throw a stool at you.
Nah homosexual, there's nothing stopping someone from sucker punching you, or choking you from behind, or smashing a bottle without warning. Training is to help you when you are ready, and to save you when you are not
mk262 loading for the military? Developed by the NRA high power nerds
canted irons/canted red dots? developed by 3 gunners
red dots on pistols? IPSC competitors
mag wells? competition shooters
Mk12 spr/dmr? basically a 3 gun/ipsc open division rifle
2011 pistols 8double stack 1911s if you wanna be turbogay) now used by CBP? first made for competition
wadcutter bullets that the Stakeout guys used to gutcheck perps in snub nosed revolvers? Made originally bullseye target shooting
All competition shooting is gay larp. However, gay larp is what drives technology and techniques forward. It's all homosexuals all the way down, and you are at the bottom.
Git gud.
You are the kinda moron who'd say a Glock 34 is a gay competition gun that's useless and unreliable while toting a 2011 from a company that makes pistols a year for $9000 dollars each without any merits at all.
Imagine how instantaneous the quality improvement would be for this board if all foreign IPs were banned and you had to post a pic of a timestamped gun to be able to post. morons like OP would be virtually extinct.
? Most Europeans here probably do IPSC or some other dynamic shooting sport, it's the only way to get actual decent firearms here
I think shit takes like OP are more common from Americans
in this thread i wouldn't be surprised if its mostly americans. The contrarian opinions being brought up here are the same kind you would see in an esports thread on PrepHole. PrepHole attracts loners so naturally they have an aversion to competition, even if its for their two favorite things.
Shooting isn't analogous to war in the way that video games are analogous to esports. When you're involved in any kind of real world shooting, you aren't plinking steel targets. The targets are shooting back. That's why some people (myself included) think the competition scene can be a little cringy.
yeah it is. for how accessible it is USPSA offers people the chance to move and shoot quickly in a challenging environment. a local match costs about 20 bucks to enter and will require maybe 200 rounds, in the span of a few hours you will get to do fast shooting, holster work, moving and shooting as well as learning from other shooters who are probably better than you. Altogether it is a very useful training experience that will let you know what you currently suck at.
that sort of thing usually costs hundreds of dollars.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's better than nothing, sure. But it emphasizes things which don't matter all that much to anything but competition. That's the issue. Sure, if it gets people up and moving that can't be bad, in and of itself, right? Right. But again, that isn't the point. You're trying to argue it too absolutely. It's possible that competition can be a good thing but also less than what people want it to be. That's my entire position.
Op sucks donkey wieners on a daily basis.
What you gain from competition:
-marksmanship under stress. The clock and people watching induce stress, which is great. If you ever have to shoot a melanin enriched individual, you won't rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training.
-you'll realize your own shortcomings, did you fumble the draw? How quickly could you clear that malfunction? How are those reloads? Can you shoot both fast AND accurately? You'll be able to see what you need to work on
-you can test your gear, your gun will run 100-200 rounds in an evening, your mags will hit the dirt and your stuff will be dirty. I had a holster detach itself because blackhawk sent me too short screws. You learn where to position your stuff in a way that works with you.
-you watch others and learn from them. At matches at any level there will be scrubs, and there will be john wick wannabes. Most people compete in categories other than optics.
-multiple divisions, you can shoot limited, carry optics, revolver, single stack, bug, any gun you have in 9mm or up you can compete with. I mostly use a stock m&p 2.0, but will run 1911s, a 5906, a bul m5 and other oddball guns for shits and giggles
In the end you can be a homosexual like OP, or go shoot a Match, be humbled, and work on improving yourself. It's better than poking holes in paper, you'll have to shoot at targets in cover, at a variety of distances, at moving ones, and while under stress. There's only benefits and it's fun
>this guy believes the John Wick fantasy rather than acknowledge the sport is exclusively competition and unrelated to real life in the same way racing isn't at all like driving on the highway
>why do soldiers do PT or range time, the only training should be force on force with sim munitions.
Did your parents feed you lead paint instead of milk as a baby?
It is a sport, but a lot of it translates into rl. >fast drawing
Obviously related to potential sd acenarios, more so idpa if you draw from concealment >pressure element
You can't have a gunfight practice, but if you ever have to draw in anger you will be under tremendous pressure, it's the best u get for practice, more so for matches that include a pt element or night matches with a weapons light. >detecting your own shorcomings
Due to the pressure element at first you'll fumble things. You'll fumble the reload, you'll struggle to clear that malfunction, to get the mag out of the magpouch, etc. You can honestly see what you need to work on. >testing your gear
Unless you're running optic (which very few people do) you should compete with your carry stuff. I run the same leather holster i do for owb carry and use a stock gun without a dot.
Stop being a gay and go shoot, you'll improve your skills and have fun. All you need is your shitty polymer gun, 3 mags, 1 holster and 1 surplus mag pouch. You won't win, but you'll benefit a lot, and maybe, just maybe contact with other people will make you less of a sperg
You avoid the main point and retort to logical fallacies you subhuman.
If you ever need to draw a gun irl, you need to be able to:
-draw fast
-aim and shoot fast at your intended target(s)
Both of which you practice in a competition, same reason you do dot torture or other drills if you have a range that allows to draw from holster. We know that performance goes down while under pressure, a competition is not life or death, but it does still instill a sense of stress and pressure, which forces you to get accustomed to it. Same with reloads, clearing malfunctions or firing while moving. Those are motor skills that you NEED to practice to get proficient add, same reason you practice drawing and dryfire. A competition is the closest you get to training that short of having access to simmunitions and hell of a lot cheaper.
In the end you're a sperg that is so fixiated with "muh fantasy" to recognize the benefits and skill building, it's also fun. I bet also you don't practice with pistol anything beyond 10yds. Try bullseye. The skill you get will translate to close range shooting
>because of the unique characteristics of practical shooting, it grants shooters unique authority over unrelated events >you must just be bad because you're not a GM
Lets make consistent arguments at least, no amount of USPSA or IDPA will save you if you're engaged in a gunfight in real life.
You develop marksmanship, a great skill and I'd encourage anyone to join if they want to shoot better and faster. Lets not pretend the world is like a scripted John Wick course that you study before shooting.
>yeah, practicing getting more hits on target more accurately in less time, drawing quickly, and clearing malfunctions quickly will never help in a real gunfight
Hierarchy avoidance at it's finest.
You've never seen a real gunfight, it's not difficult to just watch them, police bodycams galore.
You can speculate "aw yeah, I'd have done better. I shoot IDPA." All you'd like.
3 months ago
Anonymous
being a better shot and practicing holster work absolutely will give you an advantage in a gunfight. stop trying so hard to make it seem like practice doesn't do anything. you're just making up cope to feel better about you never going shooting.
go back to dryfiring at shit in your room.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I will survive any gunfight because of my USPSA skills
Larperators.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>stereotypical internet nerd gets mad when someone shows confidence.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I am confident, in fact I relish gunfights. Afterall, I trained uspsa. Bring it on, you can quote me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
are we only allowed to pretend we don't want to get into a gunfight? is virtue signalling about how self-aware we are the correct option?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>trust me your honor, I trained my entire life to ensure that the other son of a b***h was going to die. I shoot idpa
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh cool so i survived
3 months ago
Anonymous
You couldn't make it at any competition
3 months ago
Anonymous
>ad homenimen
Black person, the point we try to make is that competition allows you to work on the motor skills that you need to be competent in a self defense shooting >fast drawing and presentation >shooting fast and accurate >fast reloading >clearing malfunctions >moving, shooting while moving and shooting around obstacles >doing it all under some kind of stress and under pressure
The people that shoot competively train, and tend to have the basics down. You gonna tell me that the guys who practices his draw, and can shoot fast and accurately won't have an advantage in a gun fight versus some urban youth?
Nobody here except you is thinking that the average street encounter is going to turn into a mass shootout, but being proficient with your firearm will help you.
The alert mindset is the only thing missing, and that is something you just have to work on by paying attention to your surroundings and not getting into bad spots. No amount of training is going to help you if someone comes and shoots you in the back of the head. Go outside, shoot a local match with your carry gun, it'll humble you, you'll learn something and have fun.
They get so pissed and write walls of text when you point out that their competition isn't like defensive shooting events in real life.
They will attack your ability and integrity rather than wrestle with the incongruence.
This is peak larperator.
Who are you quoting? What is the same between competitions and real life is pressure and the need for performance. Unless you get yourself into SDS's to improve, competition is the next best thing. Stop being a stubborn moron
Active Self Protection's John talks about how often he sees a private citizen need a reload in the 40k+ defensive uses he's watched (spoiler, it's zero times) and does a little math to rationalize why he personally feels a reload isn't worth carrying.
I mean if you carry an auto you have to have one because they are unreliable jam-o-matics but revolver bros are gtg.
>literallywho gay walked back his statement
He didn't walk back shit. Massad basically said carry a reload for 1).00001% situation 2)because autos are jam-o-matics 3)autos are gay because if you get into a hand to hand yuo might(.0000000000000000000001%) drop the mag.
It's literally outlier larping bullshit and mostly due to autos being unreliable pieces of shit for basic b***h self-defense.
The gay who has watched over 40K defensive gun uses. He's never seen a reload matter in a single one. This is not data that's easily dismissed unless you're a tacticool larping moron whose ego is built upon your purchase history instead of your range time.
I'm pretty sure he works part time at both a surfboard rental shop and a Cabelas, but I don't see why that matters when talking about all the self defense shootings he has seen.
>this surfboard retailer says he's watched 2k+ hours of defensive gun videos, which is why you should listen to him about guns use
Anon I'm honestly disappointed in you
3 months ago
Anonymous
I was being a smart ass, I don't really know what the guy does for a living, the point was that it doesn't really matter. The ASP dude doesn't pretend to be a SEAL or have extensive combat experience, he just watches videos and talks about what he sees, and there's nothing wrong with that. Let's take a different hypothetical example and say that I'm an auto mechanic who moonlights as a rapist for hire. I sit down and watch every police and self defense shooting video that has ever been posted online, document myself doing so, then talk about how in 89.1% of gunfights I have watched, the person who shoots first wins. Is that analysis of the data I've seen somehow wrong or inconclusive just because I do not work in a profession where I shoot at people and/or get shot at?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Why would I listen to somebody who's watched thousands of real world shootings opinion about what tends to happen in real world shootings? >Why would I listen to somebody who's worked on thousands of cars opinion on working on cars? >Why would I listen to somebody who's cut down thousands of trees opinion on cutting down trees?
I'm struggling to comprehend just how smooth brained you have to be to ask that question. Like I carry a reload most of the time because it's low effort to do so but just dismissing somebody out of hand when they've got clear knowledge and experience to share an informed opinion based on because it disagrees with your feelings is straight up moronic
3 months ago
Anonymous
anon if you're going to trust any random schmuck because he claims to have watched a bajilluon hours of videos then that's on you
3 months ago
Anonymous
The reason why we're talking about him at all is because he didn't just claim to have watched all of these videos. You can go to the ASP youtube channel and watch him comment on all of those bajilluon hours of videos. You are welcome to disagree with him, but everything that has formed his opinions if available to watch right now for you to watch and form your own opinions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Stop shilling your homosexual channel John, Jesus.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The reason why we're talking about him at all is
Is because one homosexual who has been claiming for years that no one should carry a spare mag/semiauto pistol tried to find something halfway authoritative looking to back it up and stumbled across him. That's the only reason this not-even-middling channel has any presence here.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm that homosexual and I've never said DON'T carry whatever. I have said it's extremely(like almost unimaginable tier) rare that you will ever need a reload to survive a DGU. I dunno why you guys got to get so fricking butthurt that there are people who train/carry for the most likely events rather than the outlier events. Fell free to do whatever the frick you want. It's a free country. More power to you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>there are people who train/carry for the most likely events rather than the outlier events.
By that logic don't even carry a gun. The chances of you ever finding yourself in a self defense situation is already an outlier event.
Needing to land a hit with your handgun past 7 yards is an outlier event but Elisjsha Dicken stopped the Greenwood Park Mall shooter by shooting at him with a Glock 19 from 40 yards away.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Either carry a space gun with 87 boolits and lasers and an optic plus a full aid kit and a police radio and tear gas or don't carry anything
This is what you sound like.
>muh .00001% larp event
Sorry but that gay should have de-assed the area instead of engaging. He was a moron who fell for the memes. I know you gays love your sheepdawg fantasies but that ain't me. My gun is to protect me and mine not some max-vaxxed good goy. I ain't hanging my ass out for any of these fricks on the street who probably voted to see me dead. If I can run I'm running. If you get between me and the door then we're gonna party.
I wish we lived in a homogeneous country where there was a sense of community and shared values but we don't. We live in a dystopian hellscape where doing the "right" thing is a one way ticket to pound town by a local Soros DA.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I ain't hanging my ass out for any of these fricks on the street. >I wish we lived in a homogeneous country where there was a sense of community.
Sounds like you're part of the problem, you moron.
This is what you sound like, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrzyRXSxuAg
Meanwhile I'll encourage people to develop and improve their accuracy, reloads, their draw, switching targets. God forbid anyone want to become proficient with the tools they use.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>"I ain't risking my life for strangers" means I don't advocate training for proficiency
lol.lmao even.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>"I ain't risking my life for strangers" means I don't advocate training for proficiency
Lets read what was posted
>there are people who train/carry for the most likely events rather than the outlier events.
By that logic don't even carry a gun. The chances of you ever finding yourself in a self defense situation is already an outlier event.
Needing to land a hit with your handgun past 7 yards is an outlier event but Elisjsha Dicken stopped the Greenwood Park Mall shooter by shooting at him with a Glock 19 from 40 yards away.
I brought up an an uncommon situation where a guy had to defend his life, one of those outliers you say no one should ever prepare for.
>Either carry a space gun with 87 boolits and lasers and an optic plus a full aid kit and a police radio and tear gas or don't carry anything
This is what you sound like.
>muh .00001% larp event
Sorry but that gay should have de-assed the area instead of engaging. He was a moron who fell for the memes. I know you gays love your sheepdawg fantasies but that ain't me. My gun is to protect me and mine not some max-vaxxed good goy. I ain't hanging my ass out for any of these fricks on the street who probably voted to see me dead. If I can run I'm running. If you get between me and the door then we're gonna party.
I wish we lived in a homogeneous country where there was a sense of community and shared values but we don't. We live in a dystopian hellscape where doing the "right" thing is a one way ticket to pound town by a local Soros DA.
You mentioned how that would never happen to you or anyone else apparently.
You then mentioned how you'd never do anything to help the community.
Those are two separate points you brought up and then decided to conflate in . No godzilla reaction image will stop anyone from realizing what a moron you are.
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3 months ago
Anonymous
Black person we were talking specifically about reloads and carrying an extra mag not every low probability event possible. Even a revolver gay can and should practice longer range shots.
How many rounds did that kid use in his long range engagement anyway?
3 months ago
Anonymous
He fired ten rounds to hit the intruder 8 times before the shooter finally went down. Depending on what gun a person has some concealed carriers would have had to reload, like for example all those guys who bought a Glock 43 or all those people still carrying revolvers.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Depending on what gun a person has some concealed carriers would have had to reload
Not necessarily. I'm not familiar enough with the particulars but the fight could have been over after the 3rd round but he kept firing anyway.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>available to watch right now for you to watch and form your own opinions.
This is what gets me. If you are really a student of this shit and you're NOT watching hundreds of clips you're doing it wrong. This is probably the best time in history to be a student of self defense with handguns. You don't need to pay some gay a bunch of money to tell you the lessons he learned from studying shit you don't have access to. You can study it for yourself. Here are some of my observations from my years of study:
>shit happens very fast(practice your draw and presentation gays) >shit is over very fast(low round counts frick reloads) >first solid hits usually carry the day >almost no one but someone looking to die(suicide by cop) is going to stand toe to toe once the lead starts flying >autos jam all the fricking time(I'm sure it could never happen to you though)
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'd rather talk to a guy who spent a lifetime working on cars or cutting down trees, than watching fricking videos of people working on cars, or cutting trees down. Let alone DGU's. If Correia is such an expert, how much DGU's did he personally survive? Or is he just an armchair general doing some color commentary on grainy liveleak-era CCTV for easy Youtube clout?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Professional defensive gun user
The closest we have is cops. As for people who’ve been in multiple defensive shootings, we have Paul Harrell, and his advice for learning to shoot for defensive purposes was to shoot competition lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
>cops
Not analogous to private citizen self defense in any way.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>in any way
not quite true, but that's the general point I was making moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's irrational to expect anyone to rack up multiple DGUs when the rates are so low. Best guy I can think of is that israeliteelry store owner in LA back in the 80s or 90s but even that isn't really a good example because he was targeted by gangs and in a static defensive position. As imperfect as it is the study of random DGUs is the best anyone can do and to dismiss it as useless just outs you as a moron who is worth listening to even less than the active self protection guy.
Who gives a shit? I'm an engineer but I've read damn near every book about the US Civil War. Many I have read multiple times. Being a subject matter expert doesn't require being employed in that field.
nobody YouTuber who has totally watched five+ year's worth of DGU footage (not counting sleep hours me and you) so he can totally say nobody has ever reloaded a pistol. only reason anyone here knows he exists is he has a chronically online revolver shitposter spamming that one particular vid he made to back up his homosexualy takes when he feels neglected and needs online attention
>hits count. >first hits count most >carry the gun that fits your hand best and that you will always carry >range ammo.time is always a better investment than a new gun you will hardly ever shoot
well first off a ppk is 700 dollars new and does absolutely nothing better than a glock 43 while being in a crappier caliber. it also has a worse trigger.
the 'go to a gun store and hold all the guns until you find out that feels the best' is one of the worst nuggets of fuddlore out there. guns are meant to be held by human hands, they are ALL going to fit your hand in some way.
if you're going to holster-carry a gun there is very little reason to choose anything other than a G19, M&P 2.0 or P365. those are the three best 'compact' pistols on the market and choosing anything else is simply contrarianism.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ok. Would you like to share a picture of the gun you carry?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I would vouch for anyone carrying that they shoot good with and conceal well, but those are damn fine choices as well. The P365XL and G19 are both fantastic shooters.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if you're going to holster-carry a gun there is very little reason to choose anything other than a G19, M&P 2.0 or P365.
lol what a fricking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
what do you carry?
3 months ago
Anonymous
A brace of .38s. One AIWB(right hand) and one innapocket(left hand). I'm a degenerate revolvergay. I've put in a lot of work over the years because I love it. Consequently I have a lot of confidence in my skills and equipment. I will put a cylinder full of rounds right in your face with either hand faster than you can say "I thought she was 18." And before you lose your mind I've been carrying a gun damn near every day for 28 years and most of that time was with an autoloader of some kind(commander 1911, p229, hi-power, G19 among others). I started with revolvers and after a couple decades have come full circle right back to them. Sorry, not sorry.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh its the fitz special guy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you couldn't tell by the dumbfrickery?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Man you guys really get threatened by anything outside of the accepted current year larp. Shit just isn't as complicated as gun industry marketing and the training rackets want you to think it is. If you can draw decently fast and put your first couple of shots on target with either hand you're doing better than 90% of all gun owners. Frick if you go to the range more than 12 times a year you're in the top 10% of all gun owners.
3 months ago
Anonymous
blah blah blah blah
3 months ago
Anonymous
dude you clearly carry those because of feelings. i dont even hate on revolvers for CC but like you don't even have good grips, you have dogshit hockey tape because you need to feel scrappy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>dude you clearly carry those because of feelings.
I've never claimed otherwise. I also shoot them very well because my feelings have me practicing like a mad man because I enjoy it. It's synergistic.
>i dont even hate on revolvers for CC but like you don't even have good grips
Are you me? Do you have my hands? Have you tried grips until you found the ones that work for you? I promise you I have the best grips for me. >you have dogshit hockey tape because you need to feel scrappy.
Nah I have grip tape because I live in the south east and it is hot as frick most of the year and I have noticed when I'm sweating my ass off I have a better grip with the tape. It's really just that simple. I have experience and I do shit based on my experience. I only tape my carry guns.
Literally everything about what, why and how I carry has evolved over 28 years of experience. I'm not telling anyone else what to do. I am telling people what I do and why. This makes some people unreasonably salty. I don't know why that is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Just don't engage, after seeing his shitty flowcharts that, at one point, listed revolvers as having more "energy efficient" cartridges I knew he was just a wannabe know-it-all. He eventually got clubbed enough into removing it but it showed the kind of shitter he is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's literally the bell curve meme. Based morons and geniuses get it. Midwits are hopelessly filtered. Kinda like Godzilla movies.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Probably only the second biggest detriment to the revolver community here, the worst being the bumbling twink with a humiliation fetish.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What's detrimental about my philosophy? Enumerate it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've never heard of the second guy, but my dick is curious about who he is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's harmless. He's got tiny little babby hands and likes to post his pp. Butthurt nihilists hate to see anyone having fun.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not a revolver guy myself but I have to respect anyone else that also carries a dual gun setup
3 months ago
Anonymous
Everyone should carry a pocket gun all the time regardless of whether they carry anything else. It's a big advantage to be able to put your hand on a gun in a 100% unobtrusive manner.
By that logic, 99% of people will never need a gun, period, let alone a spare mag. Why carry? But I'd hate to be the guy to need either and not have. As a wise person here once said, its not the odds that matter, it's the stakes. It's only your life on the line right?
It's a hobby. It's a lifestyle choice. It's a mindset. It's really not for everyone. Like I said you do you man. If you feel the need to carry for the most outlier event you can imagine you go right ahead. I don't feel the need. My lifestyle is pretty low threat. I don't really go out at night much. I don't go to bars or other sketchy places. I do practice like a fiend though because I enjoy it. I like my odds. Remember kids:
on one point, you suck dick as usual
on second point, you are right, too many homosexual rules made by yuropoors ruined that sport, finland have their own version of it with no rules regarding weapon, caliber, clothing, gear and even target types but keep the competitive aspect of it.
never change finland, set the exemple to everyone
Are you talking about "reservist shooting", I don't know if there's even a proper english translation for the sport.
But we do have three divisions, Standard, Open and Military. Military is the fun larp one where you have to carry certain gear.
Wow! Another "I'm and expert on something I've never done before and here's why you shouldn't do it" thread! How fricking interesting! Only 20 times this week!
Shooting at trash and magdumping is fun.but u could be a lot better at it if you went a few matches.if you took 2 shooters of the same skill,and one only shot matches once a month for a year & the other only just magdumped at the range every weekend in full kit, the comp guy would obliterate the larper if they did some shot timer practice.OK ppl so it's like okay if some ppl like to just train in innawoods and some like dynamic shooting comps it's OK they're both avid shooter's & the world needs more shooter's we're already eating our own enough already.OK so just go shoot how ever u want it dosent matter as long as your out there putting rounds down range & having fun .
I always figured with handguns that one of their big pros is usability in awkward positions which allows one to take better advantage of available cover
It's mostly standing with repositioning being practiced which has its place but does seem to cause people to not really maximize handgun usage to cover more varied scenarios
>train myself at home to check chamber on every reload >also train target acquisition. >and tap rack bang >and reloads >drawing from holster >go to action pistol (whatever you carry) comp. >do everything that I practiced at home well enough without thinking too much about it. >learn about shit I need to learn.
OP's reproductive organs enlarge at thought of another man's alimentary canal.
you fricken asutists act like theres just ulimited ammo. 90% of the worlds remaining ammo supply (much of which is gone due to ukraine and their useless resistance) will be used up inm the first few months of world war 3, and most of it is going to be absolutely wasted. if you're smart you'll work on your archery skills, as they will be much more useful if you intend to survive. guns will only do you good in urban situations, but if you can hunt with a bow, you'll have no reason to even go into those urban areas.
Kind of appropriate this dogshit thread gets revived with something as inanely moronic as this. Starting to think just about every pistol-centric thread we have here nowadays is just rage bait.
ehh yes and no. There's plenty of people out there with stockpiles of ammo and if you're not using it to shoot a lot recreationally. It can last quite a long time.
It is an interesting problem to think about, because even if 95% of people don't have any ammo, that 5% who still does are a big deal.
true if you're american
don't pay attention to the news or social media and you can troll terminally online co-workers/friends/family >hear about ....? >no, my rss feed did show the new vidya though
feels good man
My dude, what do you think hunting tags are for? As soon as wild game becomes the only reliable source of food it will all be gone in like 6 months anyways lol.
You are just a massive fricking moron. The true larp are all these people that fell for the tactical training shit, which is just a layer put on competitive shooting. Competition is what drives excellence in any area and all aspects of modern tactical shooting are based in competition. If it would be up to the government to decide how to shoot in the best way possible you would still enter stupid poses and try to off someone hip firing an m14.
Also competition drives progress. If not for competitive shooters your rifle and handgun would not have red dots.
So stfu uneducated moron.
The first priority in actual combat is staying alive.
How does running like a moron from a target to target you memorized an exact position of helps with that?
First one to get shots on target wins
Old GWOT grunt here. Nobody shoots anyone in modern combat, for the most part. The vast, vast majority of casualties are arty and CAS. If your goal is to kill the other guy before he kills you, you'd be much better served in a military setting being your platoon's forward observer and getting really good at accurately directing fires. If you're not the FO, your main goal is simply going to be to not die. You're not going to see who or what you're shooting at most of the time because the other guy is also trying to not die. Cherrypicked videos of Ukraine are not the rule. They are the exception, as they've been since we discovered how to make large explosions happen away from where any of our guys are. In most cases, in a military setting, the absolute last thing you want to do is get upright and run around trying to shoot someone. It's common sense once you're actually in that situation, but most people have never actually been in that situation so here we are arguing again over whether or not blappy tacticsman is a moron for having pretensions to expertise over anything but his meme course.
He sure is good at shooting, but shooting doesn't keep you alive. Nothing will. If your ticket is punched in a war, it's fricking punched, and there's nothing you can do about that. A lot of this shit is just trying to get control over something that's inherently uncontrollable. War is brutal, capricious, and unforgiving. Its machinations could spell the end of your life on a whimsical twist of fate as easily as if you're Jerry Miculek or Bobby Stump from Cookietown, Oklahoma.
There's no way to transmit knowledge of any of this in a way that would impact anyone, but I'm sure trying hard. Be a good shot for sure. It very well may save your life. But don't think it gives you any real control or makes you somehow better suited to surviving at war. It doesn't.
I’ll keep that in mind next time Tyrone opens his home invasion with an artillery barrage and a machine gun suppressing the basement door.
It instills muscle memory for everything that isn't a dynamic part of combat.
You think this incel would be fumbling his reload like this if he trained weekly?
Who is that guy?
If you want the details google dallas courthouse shooting
but tl;dr it was some /misc/cel who shot through the front door of a courthouse.
He panicked(pic related) then tried running away, but a security guard shot him in the back or something with a single shot. He died in the parking lot.
He basically encapsulates the "training is larping". He thought he was going to go on a killing spree but he died a little b***h.
Checked. Oh I see, so another Tarrant copycat then? Nothing_to_see_here.jpeg
He would've been better of serving his people by lifting heavy ass weights, learning bushcraft, and IT cyber security OSINT skills to help catch pedophiles online. Too many good men get jammed up because of the momentary globoschlomoschizo zeitgeist we're subjected to on a daily basis.
>white people are not responsible for their actions
>Bro you lift metal weights to train for combat? Don't you know that there are no barbells in firefights?
You are moronic. Competitive shooting like USPSA trains important skills in shooting: Draw, presentation, sight acquisition, trigger control, rapid fire, general accuracy, target transitions, shooting while moving, etc...
For actual combat it should be augmented with specific training that focuses on shooting homies, but there's a reason a lot of SOF dudes shoot comps.
basically you should have a nice day
>from a target to target you memorized an exact position of
Uh, do you have a job anon? A house? Do you spend 90% of your time at those two locations?
What purpose would it serve for the courses top be run blind when it's overwhelmingly likely that if you have to use your gun it'll be in a familiar place?
^this
Kys OP you moron
a friend of mine calls the impulse for niche consumers and hipsters to sneed and feed their way out of ever acknowledging the efficiency of competition
>hierarchy avoidance
it's flawed / reductive, but it captures the main thing. the differentia of competitive fields is interesting. you can compete along practically any dimension of life that a handful of people can agree is fun or stimulating to cultivate.
being opposed to the parameterization of sports and the ranking of participants within those parameters can be a matter of taste, and everyone will take issue with one sport or another at some point. but if you oppose sport to a fault, you're probably just not processing a whole chunk of the human experience out of avoidance.
Was this written by AI?
I'm worried about younger generations when a normal phrase written in proper English makes them go: "Is this AI?"
Pick up a book sometimes.
Well for one you most likely erroneously used “efficiency” when you meant “efficacy” and a number of phrases and words used are not “normal” English. Therefore it seems like either ESL or AI slop.
got em
good post
There is a good reason why government people never use practical shooting stuff.
Biathlon was originally military sport but it slowly became gay clown show it is now and same can be seen with practical but practical has its roots on self defense shooting.
Biathalon is the way it is so that more countries can do it. It would be very difficult for a japanese athelete to practice if they had to use a fricking arasaka. You put all the value of the sport on the guns used because you are a child
I dont see how your statement contradicts his, other that you acting like a massive homosexual. Gun laws are part of what makes biathlon shittier because things get limited. Or are you one of the lefty touristas who want to ban everything? You really cant make assumptions here these days...
>the olympics should be used as a tool for promoting gun rights
No, it shouldnt. Olympic sports should be as accessible as possible so that every country can compete.
poo and pee
>There is a good reason why government people never use practical shooting stuff.
The Finnish military still has biathlon competitions with an assault rifle.
Mostly agree, but the one area competition is bad for combat is gear choice. Most top tier competition guns and gear heavily sacrifice durability (and for triggers, negdis safety) for pure high speed performance.
The best mix is combat proven guns and gear being used in competitive training.
A custom $3k+ 2011 with a 1lb trigger, dainty CMore dot with 5 minutes of battery life, and a bulky slide wienering handle on the side is not a good sustained combat option. Neither is a similarly set up precision gassed Competition AR.
Yeah I mean nobody is forcing you to compete in open and it's very obvious that the people who do well with those setups also do well with "standard" rifles/pistols too, there's just a massive cope from people who are terrible shooters that think open shooters, issf, etc rely entirely on their equipment and can't shoot without their "crutches"
I'm just saying to maximize translation of practice to a combat scenario, you should use guns that are practical choices for self defense or combat in general, not precision geared competition focused gun setups.
Whatever you carry should be the pistol you compete with, whatever is your shit hit the fan long gun at your house should be the one you compete with if you want competitive training to serve as combat prep.
But the most popular class in uspsa is carry optics
>real life is a competition and your 10 to 20 assailants tell you to ready up before beeping
This is the sort of shit I'm talking about. Fricking larping nonsense. Great sport for marksmanship in a timely manner, but it has no bearing on your life otherwise.
>practice situations that are much harder than you would ever reasonably experience in real life
>Durr how that make you good at shooting?
You want realistic practice? Go to the range, set up a target less than 7 yards away, shoot five rounds at it as fast as possible, then pack up and leave. Going by statistics, that's the best way to simulate a self defense scenario. It's also the best way to never get good at shooting.
So competition is a larp if all I reasonably need is
>target less than 7 yards away, shoot five rounds at it as fast as possible
Cool
>football teams layers doing 100 yard sprints is LARPing nonsense, when are you going to run with the ball from your own goal line into the other end zone!
I swear, the average /k/ommando has no experience with ANYTHING much less guns.
Is there aspects of competition that are gamified and ridiculous, but that’s to show more of a difference between competitors and if you’re doing it for training, why do you care if other people do better because of gamer setups?
>football players are justasgood as marathon runners
Either you’re moronic or intentionally missing the point.
When you take your motorcycle test, in America which has notoriously lax standards, you have to do stuff like a figure 8 in a parking spot, slalom and other stuff.
Will 99.9% of riders ever need to do those maneuvers? No, that’s not the point, the point is to become proficient at those more difficult maneuvers so you’ll be able to easily do the simpler ones that you’ll actually do on the street.
Now if you were to make a competition out of a motorcycle test, you’d want to make it much harder, because a lot of skilled riders could easily pass the test with a perfect score, making the competition pointless.
The real thing being practiced is marksmanship on the clock. That's the most useful skill coming out of these "practical" competitions, the guys shooting it are excellent. Can't say enough for its value in making you a better shooter generally.
Not much else translates to real life, because life/death situations aren't a scripted set of targets on a timer. It's like claiming being a racecar driver makes you better on the road than the next guy, that semi truck driver asleep at the wheel slamming into you didn't care who you were till you put on the mask.
Your assailant won't care that you were a skilled shooter, you may not see him.
The course is what makes it a sport. If it was just static bill drills it would be boring.
Have a curtain and send the shooter in blind with no information.
No course information at all, now you are also traing your perception.
Thats fine for training but awful for competition. This is a SPORT anon.
The sport stands anon, the targets are delineated between friendly and enemy. You're on the timer to shoot the course overseen by an official.
Shoot the course faster and more accurate than the next guy and you win.
>a sport but no one gets to watch
Sorry bud this is a stupid idea. You spend 90% of your time at these matches watching other people shoot, if you had to spend that time just sitting and waiting it would be BORING.
If you're so opposed to it, then do it for just one course. That would shake things up.
Thats just a shoot house, yes militaries have them
It teaches you other skills like moving, using cover, etc. just because there’s one skill it doesn’t teach doesn’t make it useless. Shooting at a single target on a static range doesn’t teach you how to find targets either.
Seriously, you sound like you went to a comp, got rekt and are now butthurt about it and seething online about it.
>teaches
>moving
>using cover
Real life won't necessarily afford you that opportunity. Again, the marksmanship is the primary skill being trained that will translate outside the sport.
This thread reminds me of combat sports in the late 90s and early 00s. Fat fricks would say that there was no need fight in the ring/cage because it was not real life and all their techniques were too deadly. However, the stress of walking into a ring/cage fight is high, you learn to control those emotions, and actually hurt someone. So what if I can’t eye gouge, bite, and attack the groin…
it's so obvious reading things like that that many people here have never been good at anything in their lives
never been good at sports so they don't understand the value of practice, never been good academically so they don't understand the value of study, never been good at maintaining relationships so they don't understand the value of friendliness, the list goes on
just a bunch of miserable bucket crabs enraged at the thought that anyone else could climb out
Literally yes, except "ready up" is them sprinting towards you in a seething jogger rage.
>competition drives progress
Most of the time. Sometimes, the rules of a competition are responsible for stagnating an entire market segment. I know this isn't the same as the progress you were talking about, but cowboy action shooting rules continue to ignore the fact that double action revolvers existed in the old west. As a result, we have twenty million SAA reproductions and not one DA top break repro.
As others have said, it's a sport and you're a gay, but you do have somewhat of a point. Some people get it backwards and think what matters in a competition is that same as what practically matters, the biggest offender being quick reloads. Speed reloads with a semi auto, and even with a revolver sometimes, do not matter at all outside of competitions and that is a fact. Prove me wrong, but the only cases I've ever heard of where anyone died due to a slow reload, average Joe or LEO, was reloading single rounds with a revolver. Yet these competitions like IDPA/USPSA put so much emphasis on speed reloads to the point where you cannot hope to be a serious competitor unless you drill reloads. To me, that's a huge waste of my time to practice a specific skill that is meaningless outside of the match.
Then there's also the gear aspect, where in an IDPA match, I put my mags in my pocket because that's where I carry them. But then I will always lose time on the reload to the guy with the OWB mag pouch and a fishing vest. The gun restrictions are also gay since you can't use anything less powerful than 9mm outside of BUG in IDPA, so some well-known duty pistols like the Sig P230 and Makarov that are too big for the BUG box are just not allowed. With all that being said, I would really like to see a newer competition option come up that is a true “shoot what you have” club and focuses on more realistic scenarios. Until then, I practice those on my own.
>true “shoot what you have” club
How would you verify that? Go through the past two years of transactions for every competitor to make sure they didn't buy a racegun just for this?
I meant "shoot what you have" as in any handgun is fine and the point would be getting people in to compete with the lowest barrier to entry possible. I haven't sat down and drafted a rulebook or anything, but my ideal competition club wouldn't be very competitive at all. It would be a more casual experience where people could get to shoot on a timer in well-designed, but short stages. I suppose a guy could come in with a Volquartsen 22/45 every weekend and always put up the best score, but this club would be more about getting the average concealed carrier in to improve themselves through competition, and I think the really competitive types would get bored with it quickly and move on to IPDA/USPSA.
Money dear boy, except for a couple regional or national matches with sponsors, most matches are club run, with the same people that shoot showing before and staying afterwards to set up the stages and tear it down afterwards. To shoot my idpa qual locally i had to set up the stuff myself with the president of the club as my work schedule was weird. Plus it's a lot easier to have mesh "walls" and drums you can just easily move around than building several dedicated shoothouses of wood or brick. Canvas gets torn and is expensive, and plywood is heavy. Plus you need to standardize courses of fire if you want it to catch on anything but a very local level, so people will still know it more or less. It wouldn't work, the idea sounds good, but unless you're filthy rich and plan on sponsoring the sport as a pet project it'll stay a dream
I am not wealthy, so I would like to get all my shooting pals together to make it a "thing" at the local range, and from there, we can turn it into a local event. It could grow, it might not, but I would like to try since there is a distinct lack of competition organizations that actually focus on practicing shooting skills for the average Joe. I might contact my local range to see if I can organize something like that during the summer. It should be a fun time.
>there is a distinct lack of competition organizations that actually focus on practicing shooting skills for the average Joe
probably because having multiple would mean dividing the 'playerbase'? you already have a divide with USPSA and IPDA
I think there's an opening for my idea because there is no competition group that particularly caters to the modern citizen who carries a gun. IDPA is the most recent of the two you mentioned and it started in 1996, and some people still refer to it as "90s action shooting". A lot has changed since then in regards to the average Joe carrying a gun, and I think a new competitive group could get the noobs in. It probably wouldn't even take competitors away from IDPA/USPSA since the people who really like the competitive aspect would go on to join either of those two groups anyways.
Okay, how will you set up your courses of fire, and your scenarios, if your range agrees they'll loan you or rent you a couple bays, if you're really lucky someone else already has a bunch of mesh walls, barrels and other shit laying around, but i doubt they'd loan them to you, specially if you snob at their particular sport. Will you buy and make your own? Where will you store the stuff? Who'll provide the targets and target stands? Do you have a certified range officer? The range due to insurance policies might simply tell u no because of liability.
I unironically wish you luck and success, but mainly because i want more ppl to go out and shoot and practice.
I currently have access to a private range, so i can shoot whenever and however i like, but before I'd go to the woods and set up targets for dot torture and do draw fire, holster, repeat for a long time as most ranges won't let you because of the lowest common denominator
>this moron shot himself so nobody can have fun
Honestly you seem to want to just train instead of compete, kudos to you. Best bet might be if you can secure access to a rural property in the boonies and then slowly build up a range. Still costs a lot of $$. Better find a range that allows rental of large private bays, get someone to get RO certified and start there, if your buddies are really serious you can see if they wanna pool cash to buy props, etc
The liability factor is the main reason why I haven't taken the steps to do the real thing. I have all the material supplies and they can fit in my vehicle, I could probably rent out a couple bays for a few hours, and I have one friend who could be the range officer with official backing, but I don't have the national support that the other competitive leagues have and I don't have their lawyers if someone shoots a round through their leg or worse. You're right that I just want to train and that's mostly what my competition idea is based off of. It would be about competing against yourself and your own previous time, but also include some casual hanging out with the guys and seeing what other people are doing to maybe improve what you're doing.
So why not just go to uspsa and compete in limited optics, limited, ss, revolver or stock? Or idpa in stock or the like? Most ppl compete like that. Just grab a couple friends and go in the same squad, don't bother yourself about the race boomers. Go, see how u do, then go again next time and see how ur HF, time, etc compare, you'll identify what areas you need to work upon, etc. You don't even have to walk the course, u get 5 mins to do so, and u can do something else instead.
I have so far competed with the following through diff years:
-m&p 2.0 9mm
-cz 75bd
-SA 1911 MC operator 45
-SA ronin 9mm
-Kimber Polymer doublestack 45 (bul m5)
-Glock 17
-Beretta 92fs type G
-s&w 5906
I use a blackhawk tlr1 ret holster or a 1791 leather one depending on gun, and surplus police mag pouches. I don't use optics, and keep the guns as stock as possible.
I plan on going with a model 28-2 once i get more speedloaders. And i wanna try my 4006tsw.
You are not going there to beat the pros, just to beat your previous score and improve what needs to be improved. If you want to train with buddies go ahead, but competition wise you're making a bigger deal about stuff than it needs to be
>I plan on going with a model 28-2
Man you don't want to rapid fire those .38 cal N-frames. The extra mass in the cylinder(from not being bored out to big boy calibers) beats the shit out of the bolt and cylinder notches when you go fast.
pull your head out of your own ass. red dots are shit and late 1800s trappers would shoot circles around most modern competition shooters. the military has never been an authority on how to shoot or even maintain a firearm. not all competition modifications are beneficial to the average user nor do they always add reliability to the firearm, and knowledge and technique certainly does not always benefit from it either
>late 1800s trappers would shoot circles around most modern competition shooters
No. No they would not.
hitting a moving target in brush with a muzzleloader will always be harder than shooting a stationary piece of paper at 25 yards or any benchrest competition. Dont kid yourself
so an english longbowman would shoot circles around a modern shooter just because using a longbow is harder?
>muzzleloader
>
>muh longbow
Commit an ND against yourself, but I doubt you can, nogunz
I don't mind target shooting.
How is ipsc not target shooting? You shoot the targets, that’s the whole point!
>Shoot a lot
>Hunt a lot
Latter probably had much more meaning in his efficiency.
I remember reading that white death was basically same as german kv fear.
Sniping is very different than other types of combat. It's basically secretly target shooting people, if people know where you are and can engage in 2 way combat you have by definition failed at sniping.
OP is clearly referring to two way combat.
Hayha got half his kills with his Suomi, so either he's dead sneaky or he actually did some running and gunning.
Uspsa is fun and inexpensive. You just hate it cause youre shy
>low effort bait thread
>some Black folk still caught
kys
> performance put to the test on a timer
> larp
You're a complete idiot. You'd be D class in USPSA and Novice in IDPA and the only reason you say it's a LARP is because you suck balls and would get beat by a 12 year old girl.
it's the only kind of shooting that is not stationary that I can do in my country. We used to have special forces (police) guys make weekend long training courses for like 200 euro but the Prefecture put a stop to that.
It's definitely a larp if they take it seriously as though the real world works like a game.
It is a great competition though that promotes marksmanship on the clock.
It's just for fun you autist
It's a sport, don't pretend it's anything more.
i signed up for a local shooting league because its entry level, i suck, and it seemed like it would be fun. just static shooting at paper targets. despite it being advertised as entry level and the requirements were 'at least 32 acp with at least 8 rounds" its a bunch of guys with staccatos vying for perfect scores
what's a gay larp is shooting alongside people with guns that are literally ten times more expensive than the gun i'm shooting with ten times the experience. obviously they're better than me i'm not slighted by it but their goal for doing this doesn't seem to be competitiveness or improving themselves it really just seems to be keeping themselves at a level where they can dominate people who offer zero competetive threat while pretending they aren't
I've heard this same argument on PrepHole about fighting games.
well when it comes to video games you're defining the scope of the competition by the game you're playing, so someone who is new to the game isn't going to have all of the occult minutae and moves memorized for that game in particular. and they will get shitwrecked. but there's always a level of skill separation understood by people who are being competetive. people who go out of their way to stunt on newbies are generally considered to be homosexuals in almost every game i've played, nobody likes smurfs
showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing. they have every right to do it i guess but it doesn't make them any less gay
So I daily carry a gun that holds 15+ rounds, has a comp and a red dot. With a spare mag, nice holster, etc it is probably $2k altogether. I live within 2 hours of exactly 1 decent pistol league. Should I instead leave that gun at home and go with something lesser to keep it "fair"? I shoot in my backyard almost daily, so I have way more practice than most of the people I compete against. I also can justify spending 2 grand on a gun that will likely never be used in anger because I will shoot 10k+ rounds through it a year in perpetuity.
>showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing
A child showing up to the arcade to play a fighting game should expect to get their ass beat and when they do so they shouldn't cry about how the adults know all the combos and have a copy of the game at home.
As a shitter i dont really mind when a pro shows up. I went to a random local match and one of MPA's pro shooters was there. He was a prick but also tore it up and it was fun to watch someone be that good and glean a few tricks from them
>he was a prick
A common characteristic for the high levels in most sports. The competitive mindset is often a disease when examined outside a competition environment.
Most of the MPA guys are really cool. Maybe except Mel Rodero. Frick that guy. Joey Sauerland is a based jacked autist, and Mike Hwang is also pretty chill. Travis Tomasie is pretty much the nicest guy you can imagine.
Whos the nutter with the X ring channel on youtube?
nah it was andrew hyder
you must have been a tard because ive shot A5 and other matches with andrew and hes a nice guy.
>you must have been a tard
the only explanation, huh
You will literally never improve if you refuse to show up because someone there is going to have more experience and better gear than you do.
I went to a competition (a steel challenge type of thing where you shoot simultaneously and the loser gets eliminated) with a Saiga and beat one of the top competitors in round 1. Yeah, I was slow as shit, but he missed and I didn't. He was slightly salty afterwards lol (but ended up winning the whole thing because of a lucky loser seed)
its funny to me that you're treating the amount of money you're spending on guns as a competition, in a discussion about how competitive environments are full of people trying to make themselves look better rather than perform better
The person being replied to was complaining about "high end guns" being brought to their local competition.
>showing up to a child friendly gun league with a high end gun and shooting perfect scores is basically the real life equivalent of smurfing
Following reply chains isn't hard so I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
IME you just don't get good at things if you aren't the least bit c**ty
Maybe you are just a homosexual
Real men want a challenge rather than a ez win
The quality of your gun is so much less important than your agility and course 'route'
>it really just seems to be keeping themselves at a level where they can dominate people who offer zero competetive threat
You really cant be choosy with where you compete, anon, most of the big competitions are hours away.
you know what gun won the limited nationals? a fricking canik, stop b***hing with this cope on why you lost.
Its not the gun, its you.
Git gud gayet and you can be like them instead of whining
Listen to these anons:
Gear is maybe 5% of the equation, the rest is you. I compete with a Glonk 17 and consistently mog the boomers running $3k race guns and shooting 9mm major. Before that I was finishing mid-pack overall while shooting single stack with my $600 1911. I've noticed that a good portion of the dudes who own race guns think they can buy their way around having to practice. They'll buy a Staccato and get frustrated, start blaming the gun, sell it, buy an Atlas, get frustrated, sell it, repeat ad infinitum.
The only way to git gud is to get your reps in. Do dry fire every day, even if it's just sitting on the couch and aiming at whatever is on TV. Practice your draw, practice sight acquisition, practice your reloads, learn to call your shots, just spend time with the gun in general. You'll be demolishing boomers in no time.
Pic unrelated.
>t. got smoked by a boomer in a fishing vest
Have any of you actually gone to a shooting competition ever?
Shooting competitions are good ways to put your skills to the test and find out a lot of things that you dont know. Example, you build your gun belt based on the instagram tactical operators, you go out to a comp for the first day and find out your positions are wrong and you're constantly fumbling trying to pull shit off your belt. So, you've learned you need to change it up.
What they are not, is training on how to fight in combat. Improving your drawstroke is not nearly as important as learning the difference between cover vs concealment, and how to maneuver on targets. I don't know, I've never got in a gun fight, but it's pretty obvious that the skills are not 1-to-1.
There are obvious gaps: example, competitions will frequently have stages where you fire behind cover, but this is less about actually protecting yourself (you are not deducted points if any of your limbs escape from cover for example) and more about shooting in an uncomfortable position.
At the higher levels of competition you run into metagaming. People shooting IPSC open class pistols and having belt rigs with next to no retention because it improves their draw time minutely.
But no one is forcing you to metagame. You can show up to a comp with completely the wrong setup (I show up with a SBR & can, both are actively detrimental for competition). And people will not judge you for it.
The skills are not directly 1-1 but competition is a way to get out and go shooting, and shooting practice time is never a bad thing.
Unironically milsim west gives some of these points too. Is it training? No, its silly BB wars with blank fire and hearing loss and a touch of sleep deprivation. Is it good for learning what to adjust on your kit in real world use? Yes, absolutely.
shooting competitions are not gunfights, but all gunfights are inherently shooting competitions
The rules are not the same, first you won't know you're in one until weapons are displayed, if you do then you're headed to frickmeintheass prison. You aren't likely using competition gear in day to day life. Life is truly dynamic, but in shooting competitions nothing is really dynamic, you know the course and are going through a Hollywood script better than the next guy in your division.
Marksmanship goes a long way and shooting sports prize that above all else, they're very good teachers. You will get proficient at shooting in these competitions.
This homie not livin' in condition yellow
I just came up with a new competitive shooting sport.
>scavenger hunt around town that should take about 4-5 hours to complete
>competitor's are armed with simunition guns
>at some point as you're going around town you will be attacked/robbed etc
>you must defend yourself
What could go wrong?
anon, i know you think that what you typed was an elegant response to OP in the form of a boomer aphorism.
and I want you to know that you were right.
Perfect for /k/ then
Why is it that when a moron on this board talks about sports negatively it's always projection?
Idk, I think a better test for the average random encounter is quickly drawing your gun and expending four rounds of ammunition as quick as possible at 7 yards to the target.
If you can get your draw time to be fast then you are fast.
They are not larping
They are athletes competing in a sport
Using their tools and gear for
Their intended purposes
Larper are on the hand are buying night vision and plates that will never be used for the intended purpose of killing combatants.
The intended purpose of a gun is to kill, but you just said that people find other ways to use it like sport. You don't need to kill with night vision either, just to see in the dark. You can't even kill with armor unless you beat someone with it
Its really more about being a realistic adult
Who
>joins the army or foreign organization for the real
>still shoots but is realistic in his head about it
>maybe he trains with his ccw because he know it’s probably the only gun he needs
>still has a bunch of other guns he realistically knows he will never use in anger
>shoots competitively because it is a great sport to sharpen his skills as a gun man
>maybe he own gear for collecting purposes or maybe shooting at a larp style 3 competition because shiny trophy cucks
And then we have the fantasyland man child
>buys all the latest night vision, plate carriers, red dots for shooting with night vision.
>goes to tactical training course and comes on here saying self taught can’t hit shit.
>post sigma male on boomer book or twitter
>things he is the main hero in a upcoming blockbuster
>actually believes him and his squad of pretending homosexuals will be the saviors
All for them to come of ass the dollar store version of the real gun man
Who done it for real while larping homosexual stayed home playing vidya.
He probably will still out shoot him as well
Even Hollywood has gotten in on it
Why do you think civil war movie is coming up
It’s to drive sales of pointless gear
Its fun and tests your skills who cares?
I found it very useful training. Using a longer slide version of my usual carry gun with a my normal T-shirt as concealment and extra mag in the same position as edc. I wasn’t gaming my set up. It improved my times for draw, reload, malfunction clearance, moving to cover, etc. Yes, the targets are stationary, but when the buzzer sounds there is a small adrenaline dump and my brain is telling me “Go Faster!” It’s shooting under pressure. Depending on how you approach it it can be pretty good for reinforcing skills. And, it’s fun as hell.
I remember a webm of some guy training exactly like this, he was breddy gud.
ive yet to see someone try and make a "go in blind" competition. what i mean is the shooter doesnt know the layout or even number of targets and targets dynamically pop out and hide. i dont know nor do i care to think about how to actually make this competetive and fair for everyone involved but id much rather take part in something like this than gay "heres the exact layout of your next stage so you can memorize where everything is".
You would probably need to go to some dedicated shoothouse for that kind of thing, but it would be nice. I've noticed in local IDPA matches that the first couple guys in the shooter order can get screwed because everyone watching can see where they screwed up on their stage strategy and adjust accordingly. That was always a bit of a bummer to me.
and this is why only the shooter actively on that stage should be able to know the layout of that stage but im sure comptetetive hype beasts would get aneurysm if that were the case
i would like entire events like that
which is why op is correct in that dynamic shooting is just a min maxing competition that doesnt actually have that much to do with actually shooting
>The reason that it isn't always done is because it would take forever for someone to clear a stage, be very prone to breaking the 180, and the squad can't help paste targets if they haven't shot it yet, making it take longer to reset.
thats absolutely fair and understandable but theres "people" who dont even tolerate the idea of blind stages for self improvement and actively frown upon it
>but theres "people" who dont even tolerate the idea of blind stages for self improvement and actively frown upon it
have you ever actually been to a uspsa match?
Idk most people at IDPA or USPSA matches wouldn't mind doing something like that: people like challenges hence why they're at a competition. The big problem is for match directors and ROs: blind stages are usually more concealed which makes it harder to tell if people are still resetting the stage. It's a safety thing which is why a lot of "walls" in dynamic shooting are just snow fences.
Mentioned earlier in the thread, this should absolutely exist. At least at one or two stages at a event.
people that feel the constant need to compare themselves to others can’t handle adversity. this would cause mass hysteria
There are a lot of 2gun and action matches were certain stages are blind and have no walkthroughs. Not every stage, but they like throwing one in there every match. This is especially true for darkhouse stages.
The reason that it isn't always done is because it would take forever for someone to clear a stage, be very prone to breaking the 180, and the squad can't help paste targets if they haven't shot it yet, making it take longer to reset.
Sheltered morons in this thread would tell you that wrestling and boxing won't help you in a bar fight because there aren't rules and the other guy could throw a stool at you.
Gunfights are not like hand to hand combat. You are serious shit in a gunfight and you may not even get the heads up.
Give it a rest homosexual.
Nah homosexual, there's nothing stopping someone from sucker punching you, or choking you from behind, or smashing a bottle without warning. Training is to help you when you are ready, and to save you when you are not
I think it's just a game, not relative to larping.
mk262 loading for the military? Developed by the NRA high power nerds
canted irons/canted red dots? developed by 3 gunners
red dots on pistols? IPSC competitors
mag wells? competition shooters
Mk12 spr/dmr? basically a 3 gun/ipsc open division rifle
2011 pistols 8double stack 1911s if you wanna be turbogay) now used by CBP? first made for competition
wadcutter bullets that the Stakeout guys used to gutcheck perps in snub nosed revolvers? Made originally bullseye target shooting
All competition shooting is gay larp. However, gay larp is what drives technology and techniques forward. It's all homosexuals all the way down, and you are at the bottom.
Git gud.
You are the kinda moron who'd say a Glock 34 is a gay competition gun that's useless and unreliable while toting a 2011 from a company that makes pistols a year for $9000 dollars each without any merits at all.
yes. this is why cag exclusively uses practical shooters for training.
Imagine how instantaneous the quality improvement would be for this board if all foreign IPs were banned and you had to post a pic of a timestamped gun to be able to post. morons like OP would be virtually extinct.
? Most Europeans here probably do IPSC or some other dynamic shooting sport, it's the only way to get actual decent firearms here
I think shit takes like OP are more common from Americans
in this thread i wouldn't be surprised if its mostly americans. The contrarian opinions being brought up here are the same kind you would see in an esports thread on PrepHole. PrepHole attracts loners so naturally they have an aversion to competition, even if its for their two favorite things.
Shooting isn't analogous to war in the way that video games are analogous to esports. When you're involved in any kind of real world shooting, you aren't plinking steel targets. The targets are shooting back. That's why some people (myself included) think the competition scene can be a little cringy.
You think lardass Bob waddling and plinking in his backyard is any closer to warfare?
>whatabout X?
Not the point.
yeah it is. for how accessible it is USPSA offers people the chance to move and shoot quickly in a challenging environment. a local match costs about 20 bucks to enter and will require maybe 200 rounds, in the span of a few hours you will get to do fast shooting, holster work, moving and shooting as well as learning from other shooters who are probably better than you. Altogether it is a very useful training experience that will let you know what you currently suck at.
that sort of thing usually costs hundreds of dollars.
It's better than nothing, sure. But it emphasizes things which don't matter all that much to anything but competition. That's the issue. Sure, if it gets people up and moving that can't be bad, in and of itself, right? Right. But again, that isn't the point. You're trying to argue it too absolutely. It's possible that competition can be a good thing but also less than what people want it to be. That's my entire position.
what you want is milsim airsoft.
The scenarios may not be the same as each other but the skills you develop in either context is what matter. That's what truly carries over
I would like to posit that LARPing is a good thing
*glarp
Op sucks donkey wieners on a daily basis.
What you gain from competition:
-marksmanship under stress. The clock and people watching induce stress, which is great. If you ever have to shoot a melanin enriched individual, you won't rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training.
-you'll realize your own shortcomings, did you fumble the draw? How quickly could you clear that malfunction? How are those reloads? Can you shoot both fast AND accurately? You'll be able to see what you need to work on
-you can test your gear, your gun will run 100-200 rounds in an evening, your mags will hit the dirt and your stuff will be dirty. I had a holster detach itself because blackhawk sent me too short screws. You learn where to position your stuff in a way that works with you.
-you watch others and learn from them. At matches at any level there will be scrubs, and there will be john wick wannabes. Most people compete in categories other than optics.
-multiple divisions, you can shoot limited, carry optics, revolver, single stack, bug, any gun you have in 9mm or up you can compete with. I mostly use a stock m&p 2.0, but will run 1911s, a 5906, a bul m5 and other oddball guns for shits and giggles
In the end you can be a homosexual like OP, or go shoot a Match, be humbled, and work on improving yourself. It's better than poking holes in paper, you'll have to shoot at targets in cover, at a variety of distances, at moving ones, and while under stress. There's only benefits and it's fun
>this guy believes the John Wick fantasy rather than acknowledge the sport is exclusively competition and unrelated to real life in the same way racing isn't at all like driving on the highway
>why do soldiers do PT or range time, the only training should be force on force with sim munitions.
Did your parents feed you lead paint instead of milk as a baby?
It is a sport, but a lot of it translates into rl.
>fast drawing
Obviously related to potential sd acenarios, more so idpa if you draw from concealment
>pressure element
You can't have a gunfight practice, but if you ever have to draw in anger you will be under tremendous pressure, it's the best u get for practice, more so for matches that include a pt element or night matches with a weapons light.
>detecting your own shorcomings
Due to the pressure element at first you'll fumble things. You'll fumble the reload, you'll struggle to clear that malfunction, to get the mag out of the magpouch, etc. You can honestly see what you need to work on.
>testing your gear
Unless you're running optic (which very few people do) you should compete with your carry stuff. I run the same leather holster i do for owb carry and use a stock gun without a dot.
Stop being a gay and go shoot, you'll improve your skills and have fun. All you need is your shitty polymer gun, 3 mags, 1 holster and 1 surplus mag pouch. You won't win, but you'll benefit a lot, and maybe, just maybe contact with other people will make you less of a sperg
>controlled environments where you know the course and targets is just like real life where you don't know the course and targets
Muh John Wick
post your guns anon
You avoid the main point and retort to logical fallacies you subhuman.
If you ever need to draw a gun irl, you need to be able to:
-draw fast
-aim and shoot fast at your intended target(s)
Both of which you practice in a competition, same reason you do dot torture or other drills if you have a range that allows to draw from holster. We know that performance goes down while under pressure, a competition is not life or death, but it does still instill a sense of stress and pressure, which forces you to get accustomed to it. Same with reloads, clearing malfunctions or firing while moving. Those are motor skills that you NEED to practice to get proficient add, same reason you practice drawing and dryfire. A competition is the closest you get to training that short of having access to simmunitions and hell of a lot cheaper.
In the end you're a sperg that is so fixiated with "muh fantasy" to recognize the benefits and skill building, it's also fun. I bet also you don't practice with pistol anything beyond 10yds. Try bullseye. The skill you get will translate to close range shooting
Go outside, touch grass
Not him but how does anon practice? Does anon think he could reliably beat beat the average professional handgun competitor due to this practice?
>because of the unique characteristics of practical shooting, it grants shooters unique authority over unrelated events
>you must just be bad because you're not a GM
Lets make consistent arguments at least, no amount of USPSA or IDPA will save you if you're engaged in a gunfight in real life.
You develop marksmanship, a great skill and I'd encourage anyone to join if they want to shoot better and faster. Lets not pretend the world is like a scripted John Wick course that you study before shooting.
>yeah, practicing getting more hits on target more accurately in less time, drawing quickly, and clearing malfunctions quickly will never help in a real gunfight
Hierarchy avoidance at it's finest.
You've never seen a real gunfight, it's not difficult to just watch them, police bodycams galore.
You can speculate "aw yeah, I'd have done better. I shoot IDPA." All you'd like.
being a better shot and practicing holster work absolutely will give you an advantage in a gunfight. stop trying so hard to make it seem like practice doesn't do anything. you're just making up cope to feel better about you never going shooting.
go back to dryfiring at shit in your room.
>I will survive any gunfight because of my USPSA skills
Larperators.
>stereotypical internet nerd gets mad when someone shows confidence.
>I am confident, in fact I relish gunfights. Afterall, I trained uspsa. Bring it on, you can quote me.
are we only allowed to pretend we don't want to get into a gunfight? is virtue signalling about how self-aware we are the correct option?
>trust me your honor, I trained my entire life to ensure that the other son of a b***h was going to die. I shoot idpa
oh cool so i survived
You couldn't make it at any competition
>ad homenimen
Black person, the point we try to make is that competition allows you to work on the motor skills that you need to be competent in a self defense shooting
>fast drawing and presentation
>shooting fast and accurate
>fast reloading
>clearing malfunctions
>moving, shooting while moving and shooting around obstacles
>doing it all under some kind of stress and under pressure
The people that shoot competively train, and tend to have the basics down. You gonna tell me that the guys who practices his draw, and can shoot fast and accurately won't have an advantage in a gun fight versus some urban youth?
Nobody here except you is thinking that the average street encounter is going to turn into a mass shootout, but being proficient with your firearm will help you.
The alert mindset is the only thing missing, and that is something you just have to work on by paying attention to your surroundings and not getting into bad spots. No amount of training is going to help you if someone comes and shoots you in the back of the head. Go outside, shoot a local match with your carry gun, it'll humble you, you'll learn something and have fun.
anon that's not a pic of a gun a you own
He won't because he can't
They get so pissed and write walls of text when you point out that their competition isn't like defensive shooting events in real life.
They will attack your ability and integrity rather than wrestle with the incongruence.
This is peak larperator.
inb4 a wall of text is one paragraph
Who are you quoting? What is the same between competitions and real life is pressure and the need for performance. Unless you get yourself into SDS's to improve, competition is the next best thing. Stop being a stubborn moron
Active Self Protection's John talks about how often he sees a private citizen need a reload in the 40k+ defensive uses he's watched (spoiler, it's zero times) and does a little math to rationalize why he personally feels a reload isn't worth carrying.
I mean if you carry an auto you have to have one because they are unreliable jam-o-matics but revolver bros are gtg.
Oh wow I thought after this literallywho gay walked back his statement you'd stop spamming it after every chance.
>literallywho gay walked back his statement
He didn't walk back shit. Massad basically said carry a reload for 1).00001% situation 2)because autos are jam-o-matics 3)autos are gay because if you get into a hand to hand yuo might(.0000000000000000000001%) drop the mag.
It's literally outlier larping bullshit and mostly due to autos being unreliable pieces of shit for basic b***h self-defense.
It's like this homosexual trying to show HURR DURR REVOLVERS CAN JAME GUYS by shoving it into a bush lol.
DON'T RELOAD IN THE BUSHES GUYS
damn this is some particularly lazy baitposting, gonna have to do better than that to get a (you) from me partnet
>Active Self Protection's John
Who
The gay who has watched over 40K defensive gun uses. He's never seen a reload matter in a single one. This is not data that's easily dismissed unless you're a tacticool larping moron whose ego is built upon your purchase history instead of your range time.
>over 40K defensive gun uses.
Uh huh and what is his profession
I'm pretty sure he works part time at both a surfboard rental shop and a Cabelas, but I don't see why that matters when talking about all the self defense shootings he has seen.
>this surfboard retailer says he's watched 2k+ hours of defensive gun videos, which is why you should listen to him about guns use
Anon I'm honestly disappointed in you
I was being a smart ass, I don't really know what the guy does for a living, the point was that it doesn't really matter. The ASP dude doesn't pretend to be a SEAL or have extensive combat experience, he just watches videos and talks about what he sees, and there's nothing wrong with that. Let's take a different hypothetical example and say that I'm an auto mechanic who moonlights as a rapist for hire. I sit down and watch every police and self defense shooting video that has ever been posted online, document myself doing so, then talk about how in 89.1% of gunfights I have watched, the person who shoots first wins. Is that analysis of the data I've seen somehow wrong or inconclusive just because I do not work in a profession where I shoot at people and/or get shot at?
>Why would I listen to somebody who's watched thousands of real world shootings opinion about what tends to happen in real world shootings?
>Why would I listen to somebody who's worked on thousands of cars opinion on working on cars?
>Why would I listen to somebody who's cut down thousands of trees opinion on cutting down trees?
I'm struggling to comprehend just how smooth brained you have to be to ask that question. Like I carry a reload most of the time because it's low effort to do so but just dismissing somebody out of hand when they've got clear knowledge and experience to share an informed opinion based on because it disagrees with your feelings is straight up moronic
anon if you're going to trust any random schmuck because he claims to have watched a bajilluon hours of videos then that's on you
The reason why we're talking about him at all is because he didn't just claim to have watched all of these videos. You can go to the ASP youtube channel and watch him comment on all of those bajilluon hours of videos. You are welcome to disagree with him, but everything that has formed his opinions if available to watch right now for you to watch and form your own opinions.
Stop shilling your homosexual channel John, Jesus.
>The reason why we're talking about him at all is
Is because one homosexual who has been claiming for years that no one should carry a spare mag/semiauto pistol tried to find something halfway authoritative looking to back it up and stumbled across him. That's the only reason this not-even-middling channel has any presence here.
I'm that homosexual and I've never said DON'T carry whatever. I have said it's extremely(like almost unimaginable tier) rare that you will ever need a reload to survive a DGU. I dunno why you guys got to get so fricking butthurt that there are people who train/carry for the most likely events rather than the outlier events. Fell free to do whatever the frick you want. It's a free country. More power to you.
>there are people who train/carry for the most likely events rather than the outlier events.
By that logic don't even carry a gun. The chances of you ever finding yourself in a self defense situation is already an outlier event.
Needing to land a hit with your handgun past 7 yards is an outlier event but Elisjsha Dicken stopped the Greenwood Park Mall shooter by shooting at him with a Glock 19 from 40 yards away.
>Either carry a space gun with 87 boolits and lasers and an optic plus a full aid kit and a police radio and tear gas or don't carry anything
This is what you sound like.
>muh .00001% larp event
Sorry but that gay should have de-assed the area instead of engaging. He was a moron who fell for the memes. I know you gays love your sheepdawg fantasies but that ain't me. My gun is to protect me and mine not some max-vaxxed good goy. I ain't hanging my ass out for any of these fricks on the street who probably voted to see me dead. If I can run I'm running. If you get between me and the door then we're gonna party.
I wish we lived in a homogeneous country where there was a sense of community and shared values but we don't. We live in a dystopian hellscape where doing the "right" thing is a one way ticket to pound town by a local Soros DA.
>I ain't hanging my ass out for any of these fricks on the street.
>I wish we lived in a homogeneous country where there was a sense of community.
Sounds like you're part of the problem, you moron.
This is what you sound like, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrzyRXSxuAg
Meanwhile I'll encourage people to develop and improve their accuracy, reloads, their draw, switching targets. God forbid anyone want to become proficient with the tools they use.
>"I ain't risking my life for strangers" means I don't advocate training for proficiency
lol.lmao even.
>"I ain't risking my life for strangers" means I don't advocate training for proficiency
Lets read what was posted
I brought up an an uncommon situation where a guy had to defend his life, one of those outliers you say no one should ever prepare for.
You mentioned how that would never happen to you or anyone else apparently.
You then mentioned how you'd never do anything to help the community.
Those are two separate points you brought up and then decided to conflate in . No godzilla reaction image will stop anyone from realizing what a moron you are.
.
Black person we were talking specifically about reloads and carrying an extra mag not every low probability event possible. Even a revolver gay can and should practice longer range shots.
How many rounds did that kid use in his long range engagement anyway?
He fired ten rounds to hit the intruder 8 times before the shooter finally went down. Depending on what gun a person has some concealed carriers would have had to reload, like for example all those guys who bought a Glock 43 or all those people still carrying revolvers.
>Depending on what gun a person has some concealed carriers would have had to reload
Not necessarily. I'm not familiar enough with the particulars but the fight could have been over after the 3rd round but he kept firing anyway.
>available to watch right now for you to watch and form your own opinions.
This is what gets me. If you are really a student of this shit and you're NOT watching hundreds of clips you're doing it wrong. This is probably the best time in history to be a student of self defense with handguns. You don't need to pay some gay a bunch of money to tell you the lessons he learned from studying shit you don't have access to. You can study it for yourself. Here are some of my observations from my years of study:
>shit happens very fast(practice your draw and presentation gays)
>shit is over very fast(low round counts frick reloads)
>first solid hits usually carry the day
>almost no one but someone looking to die(suicide by cop) is going to stand toe to toe once the lead starts flying
>autos jam all the fricking time(I'm sure it could never happen to you though)
I'd rather talk to a guy who spent a lifetime working on cars or cutting down trees, than watching fricking videos of people working on cars, or cutting trees down. Let alone DGU's. If Correia is such an expert, how much DGU's did he personally survive? Or is he just an armchair general doing some color commentary on grainy liveleak-era CCTV for easy Youtube clout?
>Professional defensive gun user
The closest we have is cops. As for people who’ve been in multiple defensive shootings, we have Paul Harrell, and his advice for learning to shoot for defensive purposes was to shoot competition lol
>cops
Not analogous to private citizen self defense in any way.
>in any way
not quite true, but that's the general point I was making moron.
It's irrational to expect anyone to rack up multiple DGUs when the rates are so low. Best guy I can think of is that israeliteelry store owner in LA back in the 80s or 90s but even that isn't really a good example because he was targeted by gangs and in a static defensive position. As imperfect as it is the study of random DGUs is the best anyone can do and to dismiss it as useless just outs you as a moron who is worth listening to even less than the active self protection guy.
Who gives a shit? I'm an engineer but I've read damn near every book about the US Civil War. Many I have read multiple times. Being a subject matter expert doesn't require being employed in that field.
nobody YouTuber who has totally watched five+ year's worth of DGU footage (not counting sleep hours me and you) so he can totally say nobody has ever reloaded a pistol. only reason anyone here knows he exists is he has a chronically online revolver shitposter spamming that one particular vid he made to back up his homosexualy takes when he feels neglected and needs online attention
Get new material already man, sheesh.
Some things are timeless.
>hits count.
>first hits count most
>carry the gun that fits your hand best and that you will always carry
>range ammo.time is always a better investment than a new gun you will hardly ever shoot
the gun that fits your hand best
this is how you end up buying something stupid like a PPK
As opposed to what? What should someone buy instead of a PPK that would make any meaningful difference in a carry gun?
well first off a ppk is 700 dollars new and does absolutely nothing better than a glock 43 while being in a crappier caliber. it also has a worse trigger.
the 'go to a gun store and hold all the guns until you find out that feels the best' is one of the worst nuggets of fuddlore out there. guns are meant to be held by human hands, they are ALL going to fit your hand in some way.
if you're going to holster-carry a gun there is very little reason to choose anything other than a G19, M&P 2.0 or P365. those are the three best 'compact' pistols on the market and choosing anything else is simply contrarianism.
Ok. Would you like to share a picture of the gun you carry?
I would vouch for anyone carrying that they shoot good with and conceal well, but those are damn fine choices as well. The P365XL and G19 are both fantastic shooters.
>if you're going to holster-carry a gun there is very little reason to choose anything other than a G19, M&P 2.0 or P365.
lol what a fricking moron.
what do you carry?
A brace of .38s. One AIWB(right hand) and one innapocket(left hand). I'm a degenerate revolvergay. I've put in a lot of work over the years because I love it. Consequently I have a lot of confidence in my skills and equipment. I will put a cylinder full of rounds right in your face with either hand faster than you can say "I thought she was 18." And before you lose your mind I've been carrying a gun damn near every day for 28 years and most of that time was with an autoloader of some kind(commander 1911, p229, hi-power, G19 among others). I started with revolvers and after a couple decades have come full circle right back to them. Sorry, not sorry.
oh its the fitz special guy.
you couldn't tell by the dumbfrickery?
Man you guys really get threatened by anything outside of the accepted current year larp. Shit just isn't as complicated as gun industry marketing and the training rackets want you to think it is. If you can draw decently fast and put your first couple of shots on target with either hand you're doing better than 90% of all gun owners. Frick if you go to the range more than 12 times a year you're in the top 10% of all gun owners.
blah blah blah blah
dude you clearly carry those because of feelings. i dont even hate on revolvers for CC but like you don't even have good grips, you have dogshit hockey tape because you need to feel scrappy.
>dude you clearly carry those because of feelings.
I've never claimed otherwise. I also shoot them very well because my feelings have me practicing like a mad man because I enjoy it. It's synergistic.
>i dont even hate on revolvers for CC but like you don't even have good grips
Are you me? Do you have my hands? Have you tried grips until you found the ones that work for you? I promise you I have the best grips for me.
>you have dogshit hockey tape because you need to feel scrappy.
Nah I have grip tape because I live in the south east and it is hot as frick most of the year and I have noticed when I'm sweating my ass off I have a better grip with the tape. It's really just that simple. I have experience and I do shit based on my experience. I only tape my carry guns.
Literally everything about what, why and how I carry has evolved over 28 years of experience. I'm not telling anyone else what to do. I am telling people what I do and why. This makes some people unreasonably salty. I don't know why that is.
Just don't engage, after seeing his shitty flowcharts that, at one point, listed revolvers as having more "energy efficient" cartridges I knew he was just a wannabe know-it-all. He eventually got clubbed enough into removing it but it showed the kind of shitter he is.
It's literally the bell curve meme. Based morons and geniuses get it. Midwits are hopelessly filtered. Kinda like Godzilla movies.
Probably only the second biggest detriment to the revolver community here, the worst being the bumbling twink with a humiliation fetish.
What's detrimental about my philosophy? Enumerate it.
I've never heard of the second guy, but my dick is curious about who he is.
He's harmless. He's got tiny little babby hands and likes to post his pp. Butthurt nihilists hate to see anyone having fun.
Not a revolver guy myself but I have to respect anyone else that also carries a dual gun setup
Everyone should carry a pocket gun all the time regardless of whether they carry anything else. It's a big advantage to be able to put your hand on a gun in a 100% unobtrusive manner.
a sawn off krag
I don't think a ppk would fit anyone's hand best. Aesthetic as hell, but not very egonomic.
By that logic, 99% of people will never need a gun, period, let alone a spare mag. Why carry? But I'd hate to be the guy to need either and not have. As a wise person here once said, its not the odds that matter, it's the stakes. It's only your life on the line right?
>Why carry?
It's a hobby. It's a lifestyle choice. It's a mindset. It's really not for everyone. Like I said you do you man. If you feel the need to carry for the most outlier event you can imagine you go right ahead. I don't feel the need. My lifestyle is pretty low threat. I don't really go out at night much. I don't go to bars or other sketchy places. I do practice like a fiend though because I enjoy it. I like my odds. Remember kids:
>avoidance
>awareness
>de-esecalation
>evasion
>engagement
If you got to the shooting part you probably failed further up the chain.
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do you even have guns OP ?
i tend to disagree OP
suck my hairy appalachian nuts
on one point, you suck dick as usual
on second point, you are right, too many homosexual rules made by yuropoors ruined that sport, finland have their own version of it with no rules regarding weapon, caliber, clothing, gear and even target types but keep the competitive aspect of it.
never change finland, set the exemple to everyone
Are you talking about "reservist shooting", I don't know if there's even a proper english translation for the sport.
But we do have three divisions, Standard, Open and Military. Military is the fun larp one where you have to carry certain gear.
>no rules regarding weapon, caliber
That's bullshit though, 9x19 is the minimum pistol calibre for instance
Wow! Another "I'm and expert on something I've never done before and here's why you shouldn't do it" thread! How fricking interesting! Only 20 times this week!
Shooting at trash and magdumping is fun.but u could be a lot better at it if you went a few matches.if you took 2 shooters of the same skill,and one only shot matches once a month for a year & the other only just magdumped at the range every weekend in full kit, the comp guy would obliterate the larper if they did some shot timer practice.OK ppl so it's like okay if some ppl like to just train in innawoods and some like dynamic shooting comps it's OK they're both avid shooter's & the world needs more shooter's we're already eating our own enough already.OK so just go shoot how ever u want it dosent matter as long as your out there putting rounds down range & having fun .
I always figured with handguns that one of their big pros is usability in awkward positions which allows one to take better advantage of available cover
It's mostly standing with repositioning being practiced which has its place but does seem to cause people to not really maximize handgun usage to cover more varied scenarios
To add, it's called dynamic shooting but seems anything but.
>train myself at home to check chamber on every reload
>also train target acquisition.
>and tap rack bang
>and reloads
>drawing from holster
>go to action pistol (whatever you carry) comp.
>do everything that I practiced at home well enough without thinking too much about it.
>learn about shit I need to learn.
OP's reproductive organs enlarge at thought of another man's alimentary canal.
you fricken asutists act like theres just ulimited ammo. 90% of the worlds remaining ammo supply (much of which is gone due to ukraine and their useless resistance) will be used up inm the first few months of world war 3, and most of it is going to be absolutely wasted. if you're smart you'll work on your archery skills, as they will be much more useful if you intend to survive. guns will only do you good in urban situations, but if you can hunt with a bow, you'll have no reason to even go into those urban areas.
>making an absolutely abominable post instead of just saying 'bump'
Kind of appropriate this dogshit thread gets revived with something as inanely moronic as this. Starting to think just about every pistol-centric thread we have here nowadays is just rage bait.
ehh yes and no. There's plenty of people out there with stockpiles of ammo and if you're not using it to shoot a lot recreationally. It can last quite a long time.
It is an interesting problem to think about, because even if 95% of people don't have any ammo, that 5% who still does are a big deal.
>world war 3
Nothing ever happens
true if you're american
don't pay attention to the news or social media and you can troll terminally online co-workers/friends/family
>hear about ....?
>no, my rss feed did show the new vidya though
feels good man
My dude, what do you think hunting tags are for? As soon as wild game becomes the only reliable source of food it will all be gone in like 6 months anyways lol.