Dumdum here: why are they building a new fifth gen fighter when they're also buying F-35s?
www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-britain-japan-aim-merge-tempest-f-x-fighter-programmes-sources-2022-07-14/
Dumdum here: why are they building a new fifth gen fighter when they're also buying F-35s?
F-35 is being built.
Domestic fighters still being designed.
Even if they want to prioritize their own domestic production there's still a critical capability gap that needs to be closed.
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Also why are they godfricking ugly
I thought this was a no go because the Japanese needed a longer range fighter that could carry AShM internally. Tempest doesn’t have those capabilities? Will each country be getting their own version?
Tempest & F-X are 6th gen not 5th.
Also Japan already developed a 5th gen, it just never went into production or service.
Because Tempest is supposed to be a Sixth gen aircraft
F-35 is going to be the new F-16, meaning that they 'll be at the bottom of the totem pole in a hi-lo mix fleet. Basically for grunt shit like air policing, CAP, bomb trucks, etc.
The F-35 is shit.
It's a fact.
Anyone can and will make better stealth profiles and better fighters.
But it's shit being built and sold on the market.
You've got to look at what they replace. For Japan it's their F-4 (and F-1 I think) for Brittain it's their Harriers.
The F-35 might be shit but it's not THAT shitty, it's a clear qualitative step up from really old and really obsolete jets.
>F35 is shit
>Most advanced multi role plane by far is shit
Take meds
Touch grass
Have sex
>Take meds
NO, Take Your Meds
>The F-35 is shit.
>It's a fact.
>Anyone can and will make better stealth profiles and better fighters.
Let's see them, then.
>hardmode: fighters must not be made by Lockheed and must have a prototype airborne by 2030.
The Mitsubishi x-2
The Sukhoi Su-57
The Chengdu J-20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNss2y__xGE
The KAI KF-21
Which hasn't flown yet but it's litterally days away.
>The KAI KF-21
>Which hasn't flown yet but it's litterally days away.
It wont be 5th gen until it has an internal weapons bay which doesn't get added to the design until Block 3 in the 2030s.
>X-2
An unarmed technology demonstrator.
>Su-57
Has the RCS of a Super Hornet and primitive electronics, and outdated engines.
>J-20
Dogshit RCS outside of frontal aspect and unreliable domestic engines.
>KF-21
Promising, but still carries weapons externally.
>in the 2030s
why
Because delaying now to get the internal weapons bay in the current iteration would likely take several years, so instead of holding up everything for several years, they added it to the roadmap for block 3 versions to get the internal weapons bay. This means block 1 and 2 can be produced without waiting for other work to be completed, but it also means block 1 and 2 literally CAN'T be 5th gen unless you're some Korean shill.
Honestly not that big of a deal, i'd rather have 4.5th gen fighters than no fighters at all, especially when those fighters will one day likely be upgraded to 5th gen.
Fair point.
Yep. The first generation KF-21's will be replacing F4s and F5s, so they'll still be a significant upgrade over what is being used currently.
From a Japanese standpoint, F-35 is a 5th generation multirole strike fighter and F-X is a 6th generation multirole air superiority fighter. They need it for the same reason why the US has F-22 and is developing NGAD.
Gotta diversify yo airframes, homie.
F-35 buys are primarily diplomatic in nature, they are too fragile and expensive to be used in combat. developed nations want to be able to build their own planes if a protracted war breaks out or the US collapses and no more proprietary parts are made.
The US is the only country foolish to build white elephants like the Fat Amy, everyone else will wait until there's a real need or money to be made selling war planes, like France and Sweden, but they still do the R&D to stay modern.
>they are too fragile and expensive to be used in combat
Go back to hell, Pierre Sprey.
Don't talk about things you don't know anything about.
Truth hurts, don't it? Hard to be a burger and admit how badly you got sold on a complete failure and how much money L*ckheed embezzled out of your pockets, I bet. And they're making more selling the jets your taxes built, every one is 100% profit to them.
>Su-57
There are 5 of these in existence. 4 of them can't be flown in missions.
Russia will never build or deploy this jet. It is fictional. Russia cannot develop or produce modern equipment of any kind, let alone a gen 5 fighter.
>There are 5 of these in existence. 4 of them can't be flown in missions.
No, there are like 16
10 were made as testers, 6 were made as serial production, but of those 6 production models 1 crashed.
So 16 total, 5 of which are actual production models.
Of those 5, 2 were delivered this year.
So yeah, not exactly full rate production at 1-2 per year. At this rate they might be able to outfit an entire fighter regiment in 8-10 years.
>So 16 total, 5 of which are actual production models.
and 4 of them are too dangerous to fly in and only 2 have ever been seen in the air
>Of those 5, 2 were delivered this year.
mloa. oll, even. Nothing but Pooty's bedtime stories
>20:1 kill ratios
on turkey shoots vs drones and Arabs
>S-300
those have trouble shooting down hot air balloons, let alone jets.
Look, on paper its all very nice and the israelites are having fun with theirs, but this pig will never see a dogfight, never do anything but bombing runs in uncontested air space, and never have any value besides propping up a small portion of the American middle class.
>>20:1 kill ratios
>on turkey shoots vs drones and Arabs
No in Exercise Red Flag you frick.
>admit how badly you got sold on a complete failure and how much money L*ckheed embezzled out of your pockets, I bet
Lockheeb got buck-broken in 2011 and the contract was re-baselined. They're on the verge of being buck-broken again if they can't bring maintenance costs down.
With that being said, the F-35 is a fantastic jet with 20:1 kill ratios in every exercise it's taken part in, multiple confirmed kills inside Syrian airspace claimed to be defended by S-300s, and ground-support use in Afghanistan by the Marines.
>why develop a Playstation 5 when they're buying a Playstation 4
How can a generation raised on RTSs be this moronic?
1. At the end of the day, no matter how good it is, F-35 is a small strike fighter. Some countries also need a bigger, longer range fighter. In USA that's F-22 and soon NGAD.
2. F-35 is very connected to many countries, and finally all connected to USA. Having a properly domestic fighter is considered a critical security capability. (or I guess alternative partnerships at least, because making a modern jet alone is increasingly more difficult)
3. There is keeping a domestic industry protectionism aspect.