duds and dead ends

post weapons, especially novel ones, that either never took off or were eclipsed by better designs.
the puckle gun (picrel) is a weapon of the first kind. few were created and it is unknown whether they were ever used in battle.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the hand-cranked gatling gun, on the other hand, was a successful design in its time which saw widespread use. however, it was rendered obsolete by the advent of machineguns such as the maxim gun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it was rendered obsolete by the advent of machineguns
      Lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is the Vulcan hand-cranked, ya mong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >if a single design feature is changed over the course of history, the design counts as a dud/dead end
          fricking what

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >if a single design feature is changed over the course of history, the design counts as a dud/dead end
          fricking what

          Immediately after the war he hooked it up to a electric motor so you are both wrong.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the Mark 1 tank: tank designers quickly figured out that there were better layouts for tanks. the only feature of the mark 1 seen on modern tanks is the cope cage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anti tank guns since arty became much faster to call in and more accurate?
      Now I guess non-spg artillery

      I see this all the time but this isn't the case, the situation in the field of the second world war had the tank surrounded by enemies, a turret wouldn't have helped thus the cage to stop grenades being thrown on top. Still the ft was better.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Anti tank guns
        I feel as though AT guns don't count for this thread since a whole giant war was waged using them more or less effectively. AT rifles do IMO because they were the contemporary alternative and sucked donkey dick from the beginning

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They also were no dead end they just became so much bigger they ended up as artillery pieces. Mt-12 rapiras are still widely used in ukraine.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not a dud by any stretch but would the Browning count as a Dead-end since nothing shall ever surpass it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's an end but it's far from dead.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    After 33 years, it was the answer to a question no one was asking

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I love this absolute piece of shit. I like when they stopped that awful film the expendables to give a sales pitch for it lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      …wtf is that?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kalthoff repeater, ahead of its time and required an overly expensive manufacturing method for its time. It did see actual service however. Repeaters resurged over 100 years later when manufacturing methods became easier.

    • 1 month ago
      sage

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
      Neat!

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The FV-510 warrior. The gun isn’t stabilized and it feeds from a 3 round clip. It entered service after stabilization and dual feeding chain guns were the norm. Understandably it was never exported and is set to be outright replaced by the mid 2030s

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also the coaxial is mounted upside down, something it was never designed to do, so it's nonfunctional most of the time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That’s a huge problem

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Puckle gun really isn't dissimilar to the miglor grenade rifle.
    I see no reason you couldn't weld one of these together and fire buckshot into BLM protestors. Or incendiary shells, or flack rockets. It's just a nice calibre for specialist munitions

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pity they didn’t fire something similar into the crowd of moronic MAGA traitors who stormed the Capitol Building.

      RIP Ashlee you stupid b***h

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off moron

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Puckle guns could've definitely had their niche if they hadn't been too expensive for almost anyone to bother with.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The gyrojet is a fundamentally good idea that simply was, and still is, ahead of its time. Hoping we don't have to wait 30 thousand fricking years for it to become a thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We may well see them as an airburst munition. Airburst wasn't a stupid idea there was just no need for it at the time it was developed, now drone warfare is set to be the next big thing airburst will make a comeback as light flack.

      That's the point when it will seriously be considered whether SPEW, rifle grenade, airburst or rocket propelled grenade is the best platform for infantry. Infantry who could conceivably be fighting more drone than people.

      Weapons are increasingly disposable so the cost shift to munitions seems natural, and the low impulse of the gyrojet also makes it highly suited to arming drones themselves

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The bolter is probably the best use case for gyrojets as it’s basically a SAP grenade launcher. No clue why geedubs is insistent on them being too heavy for a normal person to carry with recoil that can blow an arm off

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's what I'm trying to say, given the light weight of the launcher it could become an underbarrel airburst to arm infantry against drones.
        Wouldn't want all your spearsisters running away from a single drone that none of them could hit.

        I've seen counter terror close air systems that use airburst with rubber balls, thing about gyrojet is that the low initial acceleration would tend to reduce the risk of friendly fire, and airbust would pose less hazard than shotgun style weapons because only a single round was going downrange and nothing had lethal force at the muzzle. You can imagine the pandemonium a single ssl drone would cause in a FOB if it put everyone at ground level in the crossfire

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >No clue why geedubs is insistent on them being too heavy for a normal person to carry with recoil that can blow an arm off
        Man portable bolters have existed in canon since fricking rogue trader, GW for some weird reason thinks that a smaller gun firing identical cartridges has less recoil. So they have identical stats as well despite the marine ones being three times the size.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Marine bolters are a larger caliber than man sized ones iirc but the point is moot, a marine bolter isn’t gonna be above 30lb and I’ve seen people shoulder fire 240s enough to know its a non issue

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Marine bolters are a larger caliber than man sized ones iirc
            They aren't though, that's the problem. non-heavy bolters of all forms, AND all bolt pistols fire the same bolts.
            Marine bolters are depicted as being like five feet long and the size of an adult person. Way over 30 pounds.
            Ironically these huge behemoths canonically fire things about the size of a shotgun shell.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              IG and SoB also have heavy bolters, but they function as 50 cals as emplacements/mounted on vehicles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The gyrojet is a fundamentally good idea
      hard disagree, especially in modern warfare where most theatres of infantry combat are urban and ranges are too short to make rockets worth it.

      even on a grenade launcher, RPGs are only worth it in an anti-tank or anti-materiel role so at that point you want a bigger launcher. the OICW program should be revived as an anti-vehicle rocket launcher with attached rifle instead of the anti-infantry grenade launcher with a PDW strapped to it

      The bolter is probably the best use case for gyrojets as it’s basically a SAP grenade launcher. No clue why geedubs is insistent on them being too heavy for a normal person to carry with recoil that can blow an arm off

      >Marine bolters are a larger caliber than man sized ones iirc
      They aren't though, that's the problem. non-heavy bolters of all forms, AND all bolt pistols fire the same bolts.
      Marine bolters are depicted as being like five feet long and the size of an adult person. Way over 30 pounds.
      Ironically these huge behemoths canonically fire things about the size of a shotgun shell.

      gdubs is inconsistent on the power of a bolter and common headcanon is that they just come in different sizes. IG can take handheld bolters in both the tabletop wargame that have the same statline as SM bolters. the RPGs and newer rules generally allow normal human characters to carry a bolter and they're usually basically just one step up from the lasgun, with "storm bolters" starting to be vehicle/muhreen/abhuman/monster only.

      >Marine bolters are depicted as...
      keep in mind that all of 40k lore and side content like books/comics are made to sell the core game, which is based on models. not only do the weapons have to be identifiable across a 6ft table, but they'd be hell to handle and paint if they were any smaller. weapons in 40k are already quite difficult to paint nicely as it is, models are smaller than they look than in promo shots.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      /trounced

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        while they're cool as frick, and might still have a use one day, i think the other tround guns should also be mentioned too, like the tround 50

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hehe, DarDICK, hehe.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m American and my wife appeared on Britains got talent last week

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Casemate ironclads. They were useful during the American civil war, but were basically used only during this conflict. They didn't have that much of a legacy compared to the monitor-type ironclad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Definitely more useful in a coastal role, but the Confeds could never produce nearly enough to break the blockade. Yeah, definite dead end design. Turret Chads, stay winning!

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