>DUDE GO TO TRADE THEY'RE DYING TO TAKE APPRENTICE AND ALL THE BOOMERS ARE RETIRING N SHIEET AND THERE'S LIKE WORKER SHORTAGE N STUFF IDK I READ IT ON REDDIT SUMMTHANG
>all the union are closed for intakes
>cold call companies and everyone wants a 2nd or 3rd year apprentice
You're too late.
It's over.
here's the thing
companies want young EXPERIENCE apprentice not inexperienced ones. They don't want to train people with zero experience since it they're not efficient enough resulting a worker shortage even though they're endless supply of young people who want to get into trade
Uh, huh. Most zoomers quit, the moment they find out that they have to DO WORK and won't get paid $60K starting salary.
or make an impact!
No matter where, you likely won't make an impact at work beyond either subtly improving the lives of your coworkers by being helpful and friendly in addition to being good at the job, or by being so bad at your job you dig a hole that will take years to climb out of.
> join the trades bro it’s $60k starting bro!!!
Nah ima be real with the zoomers, if you join a trade you’re looking at being an apprentice for 5 years, it doesn’t matter if you went to trade school…
The pay is minimum wage, however you also have to buy tools.
Google snap-on screwdriver set, google fluke multi-meter, google mitutoyo calipers
You’re buying a truck full of those tools on a minimum wage salary
And no you don’t have 5 years to get it, you have to have al that before your first month of employment
Lastly , yes you will earn 60k a year once you’re no longer an apprentice… however… that’s only if you work 60 hours a week, yes it’s $60k a year but with Monday’s off
i went for a 1y program in machining and make 25/h with union benefits. i literally walked into the shop and was hired same day after a year out of the trade due to layoff. its a 4 day week.
what the frick are you talking about
it's a tripgay literally named sieg heil. of course he posts moronation
>4 day work week
>union
>$25 /hr
I’m talking about America… why the frick would you go like “wrong in Canada we got unions!”
Yeah we’ll I’m china they have manufacturing jobs
i am in america you reprehensible homosexual
>Yeah we'll I'm china
you're chinese? this explains a lot
What state? What is it like doing machining? Can someone shit at math do it?
Yes it’s not the old days anymore.
If you want the machine to cut down a center like you don’t have to trig it out and offset for cutter radius
You just click the line, then click generate tool path, then copy paste the information of the tool from the catalog and then hit post.
Then it autogenerates the tool path with the correct offset and the depth and then you take the gcode and modify it very slightly maybe 10 lines max
Then put it in the machine controller and you’re done.
Best thing is other tradesmen thing you’re a wizard because you make the shit they install (but it’s all computers)
Machinists will be replaced by AI soon
Economy is crashing who the frick told you they’re dying for warm bodies?
We don’t even manufacture shit in America and most houses are vacant avenues of foreign investment we don’t need that many tradesmen
its the winter. nobody hires in the winter unless they have experience.
OP doesn't want to be hired. OP hates work and everything associated with work. OP just wants to shit post and drag down everyone around them.
maybe he does, but I have noticed that what companies need is jacks of all trades versus masters of one. If you want to solidly become a one trade man its going to come from new build construction.
I think it's good to have one trade that you're really skilled at but also have a bit of knowledge of all the other trades too. The boomer who taught me my trade didn't know anything other than how to lay bricks and i thought it was weird.
that is how all of the boomers are. that is also probably why the trades have such bad problems attracting new blood as its not clear how you grow your income if all you are is a one trade man.
yea trades are garbage unless you are an idiot or can't stand school
Boomers grew up in a different era, and worked in an era where it paid decent money
Now costs went up 5x and the pay is the same
that's pretty much every profession though except for like software development
software development is fricked in the long run due to AI and poos
That's the other side of the coin. A lot of zoomies are going into trades hearing that it's a legitimate choice of career, but they try to apply to a company with literally zero experience, limp wristed hammer strikes style of experience, has to say "lefty loosey righty tighty" out loud to remember what way to turn a screw. Lie a little and say you've helped your dad build an addition and renovated your retired aunt's cottage.
My advice is just tell them you were a machine operator on fadal machines.
Tell them you can’t set up all you did was load a part and press the green button after someone set it up for you.
No real shop has a fadal anymore and they’ll be like yes some experience
Then when they pair you up with your trainer tell them you have 0 experience since it will be weeks since the i tail job offer and the guy training you never saw your resjme
>A lot of zoomies are going into trades
Where? I don't know a single zoomer who has gone into construction. I've heard them talk about it, most say shit like 'i think i wanna be a welder so i can be an underwater welder' LOL
Also i'm actually around a lot of young male zoomers because i'm a skateboarder who goes to the skatepark regularly
zoomers aren't going to go in and even if they did its going to be a long 10+ years to make money. You will likely change companies multiple times and may even change trades a few times.
Why would you go into the trades when being a truck driver or working at some place like Ford pays literally twice as well
You've piqued my interest anon. What should I keep in mind as a truck driver, that is fundamentally different to driving a regular car?
Obviously crashes are more catastrophic and I have to avoid going under bridges, but hopefully GoogleMaps takes care of that.
What is a newbie likely to overlook?
my union has an average 2 year waiting period just for apprenticeship
there's a shit ton of kids wanting to go to trade. you hang out with skateboarders which are pretty much the dregs of society. no wonder you never met a kid who was interested in trades
IUEC?
no ibew Ottawa
Every time i find a young person to work with me (i'm a self employed mason) they are late to work, on their phone way too often and they'll make up random excuses to leave halfway during the day. I'm legitimately very nice to kids who know nothing and i actually try teach them shit without making them feel stupid (basic stuff like tying a string line or reading a tape measure or that kind of thing). I never yell at them like my boomer bosses did to me when i was learning yet they still have 0 motivation to work. It's pretty infuriating.
its about money in that situation
the pay is frick all and they are looking for the next job just trying to do the minimum & collect their pay check
Can I work for you? I’m autistic about never being late
Sorry man but the economy is too shitty right now, i'm actually about to start working for a bigger company again because i stopped getting calls
i see a bunch of back and forth and b***hing here, but no one has asked the real question yet:
if zoomers don't go into trades, who will do them?
of course zoomers are going to do trades. every generation goes into trades, because we always need them. eventually market pressures will kick in and trades will become more profitable as younger people refuse to go in.
yes, companies are inflexible bastards right now, anyone who's done a trade before knows these companies are inflexible bastards 24/7. the difference is when they need something. right now, they jave the boomers and knowledgeable people. soon, they won't, and it will be a brief period of utter bedlam to get young people to join in. a handful of boomers will also get their final golden parachute as they will be asked to stay on late and train young people to take up the torch.
>who will do them
zoomers from the third world obviously.
how many millennials do you know in trades? I can count on one hand the people i know who went into it (in california). The rest are all immigrants.
This apart from plumbers, every tradesman is some random migrant
Google drywall repair, call that number
Guarantee you’re not going to be talking to a Dave or a mike
I'm a mechanic and I'm glad you're not.
i applied as an electrician helper with no tools and no experience when i was 18 and got the first job i applied to on craigslist
>WAH I WANNA START OUT MAKING $30 AN HOUR WITH NO EXPERIENCE
stfu
>WAH I DONT WANT TO DO HARD LABOR, b***h WORK, CLEAN UP, ETC
stfu
>WAH WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO BUY MY OWN TOOLS? I WANT MY BOSS TO BUY THEM FOR ME SO I CAN DESTROY THEM AND NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
stfu
>WAH WHAT DO YOU MEAN I GOTTA WORK FOR A YEAR BEFORE I GET BENEFITS????
stfu
if you are over 20 years old and trying to get into the trades, everyone knows youre a moron who couldnt cut it at white collar work or a total loser whos never worked a real job in his life, AKA a total waste of time who shouldnt be hired
the average start for an apprenticeship is 26 to 28 you moron
and look at the majority of apprentices. they all vape, b***h and moan, sit on their phones all day, and do absolutely no work. i always ask an apprentice "if you worked all day, and everything you did was wrong, and i had to go back and redo everything you did, did you work? and if you didnt work, did you deserve to get paid for the day?"
it always pisses em off, but they cant refute it. i run apprentices, and honestly, 95% of them arent cut out for the trades. if someone was truly motivated to have a career in a trade, they would start young. all these "late bloomers" arent worth shit
>employer wants to make illegal threats about not paying an employee and wonders why "zoomers" don't have any motivation to work
its not illegal to withhold pay for not working. would you pay $300 of your hard earned money a day for a guy who gets nothing done? since this is the internet, im sure youre some altruistic saint who thinks everyone deserves to have everything handed to them on a silver platter, but in the real world it doesnt work that way. i try to train these idiots so they get the skills to be independent and encourage them to go to school to get certified so they can go out on their own one day and make their own money, but half the time they cant even find the motivation to get to work on time. how fricking hard is it to show up at 7am?
>uh duh boss i hit traffic
>uhhh duh boss im sorry man i woke up late i swear it wont happen again
fricking morons.
if they aren't working then fire them
if you have em there you have to pay them...
That sorta bullshit is exactly why people leave trades, and no its not legal to do it or even fricking threaten it
>That sorta bullshit is exactly why people leave trades, and no its not legal to do it or even fricking threaten it
all im hearing from you is b***hing. you gotta have thick skin working in my trade. you wanna get paid? do the fricking task that i told you to do, it isnt rocket science.
if i fired every moronic apprentice ive ever had the displeasure of working with, id have 1 worker every 5 years or thereabout. not a sustainable business model. gotta give the guys the tasks that are so rudimentary that theyre literally impossible to frick up. but then they all complain about their pay grade too which is another issue.
>its not illegal to withhold pay for not working
if they clocked in or showed up then yes it's illegal to not to pay them. Like the other anon said, fricking fired them you moron
It’s because your workers are poor and live 2+ hours away in the ghettos.
And California high way patrol likes to shut the freeway down over minor fender benders every other day
zoomers are pretty much brainwashed into going to college. can't blame them for figuring out later in life that there's more to a career than sitting in an office. Just because you found trade early in life doesn't make you any special