>dude Eugene Stoner stoner would totally design an AR-15 solely for 21st century 2 gun action challenge match
>dude Eugene Stoner stoner would totally design an AR-15 solely for 21st century 2 gun action challenge match
>dude Eugene Stoner stoner would totally design an AR-15 solely for 21st century 2 gun action challenge match
considering rifles are used for nothing more than guard duty and confidence sticks until the arty and air power gets there in modern war, probably
Still inane to chrome the bolt carrier instead of the bore/chamber
its pretty pointless but its easier to clean, same excuse for nickel boron BCGs
>easier to clean
The important areas are already chromed lol
Stoner used chrome BCGs in the original AR IIRC. The fancy coatings like NiB or chrome improve function by reducing friction against the cartridges in the magazine.
>chrome improve function by reducing friction against the cartridges
Yet the phosphate carriers were never an issue since...
NFA is the felony, ATF are the felons
>Yet the phosphate carriers were never an issue since...
I would like to introduce you to the forward assist: implemented as a direct result of phosphate not having enough natural lubricity to fully close the bolt with only spring pressure.
>forward assist: implemented as a direct result of phosphate
The Army procured the forward assist before transitioning to phosphate, hence the serrated and chromed carriers of the early Colt 603, 603, SP1 (R6000), et cetera
But that's fricking wrong you little dumbass.
NiB carriers are objectively the worst you can get. Literally no one makes a "good" NiB, plenty of people make good chrome, phosphate, or nitride carriers but nobody makes a good NiB dude.
Toolcraft offers NiB coatings.
I bought a Fail Zero around 10 years ago. Going strong several thousand rounds with it, changed gas rings couple of times. But I prefer Colt/BCM these days.
What’s so bad with NiB?
Bcg coatings on gas key and carrier are attached if I remember correctly.
Why not simply give this thing a side mounted charging handle instead of developing this convoluted solution?
Non reciprocating charging handles only interface with the bolt carrier when moving backwards, they can’t push it forwards
I'd have chromed them both.
Just chrome everything.
I like the way you think
I just poop and pee
>dude YOUTUBERS
they're running a business and succeeding and you're seething for free on PrepHole. i think those guys are tremendous gays and i got over it by not watching their videos
they are both delusional at this point but Karl definitely went right off the deep end, he's literally a satanist communist cuckold
I always thought this was just some moronic ragebait made by someone mad at Karl. It was only recently I found out it's real.
oh it's quite real, he's a full on moron
Why are Arizona people so weird
He's in Tucson, which is our Houston
To scare the caligays and other normies away.
Historically it (Phoenix area) was one of the least expensive places to live in the US because of the inferno climate and total lack of desirable land. So people who were cheap moved there. The climate is also fairly consistent and never rains that much, so people who were too pussy for cold moved there. The dry climate is good for people with certain ailments, so sickly people moved there.
What you have is a base population of sickly, weak, cheap people living in almost literal Hell out of convenience. Such people are easily lead into odd behaviors and beliefs.
t. native Arizonan
Much of the same could be said of florida, just replace cheap with rich.
I'm a cheap person who moved to Tucson out of convenience, and everything here is accurate. Honestly the "hell on earth" part of the year just keeps things interesting and makes you appreciate the rest of the year.
a large percentage of homosexual californians are orginally zonoids. and any zonoids you see in California will 100% be a complete homosexual and also a terrible driver.
Hes a cuckkkkkk
>I ignored the truth about Karl posted here for years because it wasn’t what I wanted to hear
Frickin moron.
Black person I was referencing that specific tweet, get the sand out of your vag
He posted it and deleted it shortly after when even his own fans were disliking it.
why do you have a folder full of anti-karl pics?
Because anti-marx is too popular
>captcha GAYTH
I only have 2 actually. Everything else is guns or webms like a bear eating a melon
I know it could rip me to shreds but I will never not have the urge to pet bears
>webms like a bear eating a melon
Based. Bears are bros
very good post
>)
Why Don't you?
I don’t care he’s a satanist,
That’s like the least issue.
Mostly all Satanist’s do is piss off the holier than thou church types and it’s always good to see those type taken down a peg.
The “Sins for thee but not for me” type,
The “frick you I got mine” type,
The “think of the children… no no not those children I mean my children”
I hate those fricks because they’re the ones who lobby and get fun shit banned because someone needs to make it look like things are getting done.
>huh imma become a satanist to own the Christians
Epic own.
Karl seems to think so, and I can't hate him for it. He's generally an edgy moron but I do respect his firearms opinions and that's what I watch his channel for
>imma become a homosexual abrahamist to own the other kind of homosexual abrahamist
They literally worship the same exact foreskin-eating demon
https://russia-insider.com/en/history/god-israel-bloodthirsty-vindictive-sociopath-does-explain-misanthropy-jews/ri24154
>'“The finest trick of the devil, Charles Baudelaire wrote, is to persuade you that he does not exist”. Perhaps he was mistaken. His finest trick, I believe, is to convince the world that he is God.'
https://academic.oup.com/book/39211/chapter-abstract/338714124?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
>Since the second century BCE, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans had identified the evil god Seth-Typhon (often depicted as a donkey-like creature) with the israeli god Yahweh. The Seth-Yahweh tradition, with all its negative valence, was then applied to the creator worshiped by Christians as well.
Go back to your PrepHole containment thread.
You don't even deserve a (you) for this cringe
>https://academic.oup.com/book/39211/chapter-abstract/338714124?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
Gnostic bullshit. Gnosticism is religious navel-gazing, useful only for unwarranted feelings of superiority.
>Frick you I got mine
Go back to posting on liberal gun owners
My man you're moronic. He's basically agreeing and saying he's a "live and let live" type of person with social beliefs.
>t. Satanic homosexual
>don’t care he’s a satanist,
>That’s like the least issue.
>Mostly all Satanist’s do is piss off the holier than thou church types and it’s always good to see those type taken down a peg.
I'm not even a theist but you are such a fricking naive child lmao
Sure thing, Timmy.
are you excited for the 9th grade in a few months, buddy?
He's just trolling chuds here lol.
is that why his face is always beet red from being angry that he isn't taken serious?
he's a dumb homosexual and so are you
rent free
I like how these two morons completely ignored the SR15 which is LITERALLY what Stoner would have done.
Big overlap between Karl cucks and NAFO troons browsing this board
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>Big overlap between Karl cucks and NAFO troons browsing this board
Karl bashing is back. This board is (slowly) healing.
>Why do design new weapons for war?
US in Afghanistan:
2,324 soldiers dead
6 DoD civilians dead
3,917 mercs dead
Opposition in Afghanistan:
52,893 opps dead
46,319 civilians dead
>Why do we design new weapons for war?
Weapons are for killing, the AR is designed to kill human beings, and do it well.
But there is no honor in killing civilians.
>there is no honor in killing civilians.
They should have fought harder then.
>But there is no honor in killing civilians.
Kek. Ok.
>But there is no honor in killing civilians.
Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows. Blood and skulls.
You say that as if the Taliban and other terror organizations didn't specifically target civilians. I'm tired of people acting like the US doesn't develop weapons to become more precise and reduce civilian casualties.
>but still total taliban victory in the end
Funny how that works.
>tfw when Talibans are better fighters than Russians
>tfw when Talibans understand the importance of strategic victory better than Russians
>thread about guntubers
>war tourist Black person decides to post random snuff vids
i sincerely hope russia wins just so you insufferable homosexuals have a nice day.
What the frick are you talking about.
The weapon used in this gif (except for one) are m4s shows how 5.56 affects the body.
Fricking moronic,
i am really happy that Black folk like you are self destructive. when you do eventually decide to have a nice day, dont use a gun so that we dont get another pip to the "gun violence" statistics.
>Black folk like you are self destructive
Quit projecting homosexual.
>dude, i can totally revel in, and find enjoyment in, death and war and not suffer any adverse effects at all
the noose awaits
Tell me more.
Uh, yeah. Frick off you don’t belong here. You don’t even know what the /k/ube is do you?
>le /k/ has always been about posting snuff films and mocking dead soldiers
>le /k/uuube!!!!!!!!!
You’re proving me right
You're proving me right too, tourist.
Do something homosexual. Go cry more on r/liberalgunowners
he says posting like a commie
the other anon is right. you "people" are pretty disgusting
same
>Guy comes to my house
>I hide whilst he rapes my wife
>I jump out and punch him whilst he's balls deep then run away to hide again
>He breaks my wife's legs in retaliation
>cuts the power and phone lines to my house, takes the TV
>Plants Japanese knotweed in my garden
>My dog goes with him willingly because it didn't like me anyway
>Kicks my door off its hinges and leaves in a hurry, dropping a hi point
>I claim Total, tactical, cultural and strategic victory and show off my new advanced weapon technology
T. alliban
>cuck fantasy
Are you a israelite or a Black person?
this post proves that americans are almost aware enough to be real human beings but still cannot rise above their assigned status as goy fodder for globalist/colonial wars
they have just enough double think to cope about what pieces of shit they are
>now that you've seen this msg you are no longer banned
also forgot to mention they're allergic to truth in any way, shape or form.
Your """"kind""" serves no purpose other than target practice for Marines
Goddamn it I wish sharts spoke French.
>he’s a homosexual ass Arab larping as a frog
no no, trust me, americans know exactly how shit their foreign policy is. they just
1. don't care
2. think that their "good intentions" counts for more than it really does
you talking about the soviet-afghanistan war? ;^)
>thinks the taliban won
>literal cuck fantasy
Are you a israelite or a Black person or just brown?
trick question you are all 3
>le taliban didnt win because muh k:d
is this what too much homosexual propaganda does to the mind?
If they want to call themselves the kings of the rubble, they are welcome to do so.
Not my country.
Not my problem.
kinda funny how it's always a 4 post brigade too
>opposition
>civilians
amerimutts everyone
>directly aid insurgents
Nah they deserve it.
And what did it accomplish? Wasting trillions of dollars to kill some goat herders that lack plumbing and running water only to leave in disgrace? How did this war benefit the US in any way? What the frick was the point of it all?
At least the barely literate Afghanis knew what they died for.
>nooooo you can't kill the heckin terrorists!!
The only way to victory in that case was to force Pakistan to either destroy the Taliban in their country or allow the US to deploy into the country.
>knew what they died for
No the frick they didn't, as indicated by the insurgency they are fighting now. Truth is that the Taliban is a FOREIGN insurgency as most of it's members were wiped out in 2001.
journalists killed 76 afghans?
Damn those are some badass journalists
Love how Karl thinks his 2gun larp makes him an expert in shit he has no experience in
If he just said the WWSD rifle is designed purely for action challenge match I’d respect him for that, but to say all the components on the rifle that make it ideal for action challenge just so happen to be what stoner would do is stupid.
>dude Paul Mauser would totally make a target rifle solely for competition target shooting in the 21st century
Thing is, dont we al ready know what Stoner would do because he did it?
>SR-25
Thats what triggers me. Its the lack of respect.
the homosexual carbon fiber handguard isnt much of a stretch, theres already an issued AR15 with a carbon fiber handguard
But he PRI is HEAVIER than aluminum. You could beat an above average sized child with it and still not zero shift.
>and still not zero shift.
Hol up this is good
Why do people think Stoner just up and died the moment he made the M16? He was working until the 90s and made the SR-25. I still don't know how involved he was with the SR-15 though
Literally coasting off his AR15 success
the AR18 was something more significant though
The same way AR15 is more popular than the AR18, the m1911 is more popular than the browning hi-power even though it's a even bigger perfection.
>AR18
>perfection
It's literally a gun for complete poorgays, now that AR's are made in such massive numbers it's hard for people to realize it was not a cheap gun for a very long time. Even in the 90's and early 2000's they were not very cheap, the AR18 was not just Armalite trying to get back at Colt but also was cheaper than any AR15 rifle when it was new. Even the Mini 14 was cheaper or the same price as any AR15 when it was new.
The AR18 was made for poor countries with bad manufacturing capacity/processes. It’s the store brand AR15
He (well, armalite) designed the AR-18 for poverty armies.
So naturally the UK, Germany, Japan, Austria, Australia and Belgium jumped on it.
Short strokes belong on the short bus.
The hi power is worse than the 1911 in every way except capacity
If you only knew how bad things are.
He was minimally if at all involved in the SR15 rifles. Up until his death all of the SR15s that I know of were ban compliant and were basically just AR15s with the old Knight's rollmark. The current E3 guns wasn't rolled out until 2011, 14 years after Gene died
The first LEO SR16s were literally sopmod M4s, didn't even initially have the FF RIS or low pro gas block. No idea when they turned up, but Id say it was after his death. There were also match rifles that had the same furniture as SR25s, but I think Stoner was dead by then too, maybe 99 or 2000. For something that everyone circlejerks over, there is remarkably little public literature on early SR15s; at least in terms of an established timeline. I've even been to the knights museum in Florida (worth a visit) and there's nothing relevant to the SR15 on display except the latest few. A shit ton of early M16s though.
I do not like the cum drinker
These guys are gays. I built picrel for the cost of a barrel and bcg because I had spare parts and was bored
>wwsd
>entire rifle no mag or optic
4lbs 10oz
>completed lower
2lbs 1oz
>my rifle
>entire rifle no mag or optic and w car15 stock
4 lbs 14oz
>completed lower
2lbs 4oz
Their gay lower barely weighs any different from a milspec lower with milspec parts. If I used vseven shit it would be lighter than theirs probably. The biggest weigh difference was the carbon fiber handguard they used vs the midwest that I used. Their gay project was redundant and moronic. If you want to make significant weight changes it can really only be done in
>barrel
>handguard
>optic
>stock choice
In that order and not by creating some gay lower that falls apart
How did you get it that light?
Nothing special. I used all milspec parts on an aero lower. The barrel muzzle brake and bolt are faxon, I used a no fa aero upper, a lightweight Midwest hg and then a car15 stock. It wasn’t hard tbh. The credit goes to faxon for how light they can make their shit
Nice
from what I recall, the WWSD rifle was basically just seeing if Stoner's idea of a fully polymer lower was possible with modern manufacturing.
As someone who also built one with vseven parts and other minmax shit, your scale is broken.
The carbon fiber handguard is cool actually
>Karl and Ian in happier times
Where did the love go?
Has anyone pinpointed the moment that the lovely couples relationship lost its spark and they began distancing themselves from each other?
I think it began when Ian started pumping guns with that fat shotgun guy while Karl was out of town making videos about slaves and the underground railroad.
theyre actually both massive homosexuals. both are anti-gun blm supporting communists, but karl is literally a satanic "preacher" at a satanic church.
ian on the other hand is a plagiarist who cons his supporters.
>ian on the other hand is a plagiarist who cons his supporters.
this
Try saving the full image next time and not the thumbnail
that is the full image though, you've just outed yourself as a newbie phoneposter
It’s called not being a jobless homosexual, anyway that image has so many artefacts it’s nigh on unreadable, have a nice day
Go into desktop mode and then view it again.
lmao you have to be an unbelievable poorgay to give a shit about him making $2k on a gun flip while you seethe about "disclosure"
Now I know Ian-haters have brown hands. TZD.
It really seemed to be when Ian's channel got really big and InRange decended further and further into normie video game cringe.
To his credit Ian really just seems to want to sperg out about gun history exclusively and not let politics or pop culture get involved, which naturally means getting away from Karl.
This is just my observation of the situation though who knows what is really up.
>making videos about slaves and the underground railroad.
And nobody in their audience wanted to hear about that, which made Karl mad, because "heckin Black personinos are sacred, and how dare the reactionary gunchud rightoids be racist". He continued to double down from his moral pedestal, which drove business away, so he doubles down again, which drives more business away, and the feedback loop is complete.
Ian mostly shut his mouth about divisive politics and unpopular opinions he most likely holds, which drove business towards him.
It's not the first high profile partnership that has had this happen; many such cases!
t. Never cared for either of em
both make videos with troons like tacticool mentally ill gay man
that was fun to watch over time
>heres some native american history
"No stop it!"
>oh sorry, heres some black west history
"knock it off Karl!"
>whats that? you want more?
>heres some history on the one time slaves rebelled
"NOOOOOoooooooo"
"for the love of God, Karl, post some modern gun content!"
>oh, you want modern content?
>heres some transgenders shooting guns!
>also furries!
lol
Guy on left is a fat piece of shit now. Literally gained like 60 lbs from your picrel to now.
Karl started fat, lost weight, and is now fat again. Dude is also in his like mid-late 40s.
>Brownells finds out about Karl
>immediately shuts down WWSD
>sells off stock with heavy discount
Haha
You left out the discount code was "TRIGGERED." Brownells bringing the spicy memes.
Good times
Wow, imagine spending 1,700 American dollars to not have adjusted lop and no forward assist, and an a2 birdcage
There are only a few expensive parts in there. The handguard is $250 or so, the trigger is about the same, the JPSCS is something more than a normal buffer, and the ambi bolt release isn't cheap either
Everything else is normally priced
That coupon code was for any product above a certain dollar amount, they didn't make it for the wwsd
>finds out
No no no. It's much dumber than that. Arfcom boomers found out and had a laugh at the moron. Then Karl showed up and started arguing with them, and screeched that Arfcom's owners are evil racist fascist transphobe nazi bastards for allowing the users to make fun of him. It just so happens AR15.com is owned by Pete and Frank Brownell. So they instantly pull the plug on the WWSD and dump em at a discount, while Karl takes to reddit to whine that people should buy directly KE arms to support his ass, instead of Brownells.
Ian in a moment of sheer basedness only commented that Brownells was great to work with and he looked forward to working with them in the future, and that they were having a fantastic sale on the WWSD and people should pick some up. Which just made Karl seethe more that he didn't go down with the ship that he himself poked the holes into.
Brownells knew Karl and Ian were communists. They only dumped their KE inventory when people found out and got upset. ARF is full of Freemasons.
ARFcom is full of moronic alcoholic boomers who fell for the manufactured culture war that the republican party is pushing to win the next presidential election. It's 04 all over again when Bush doubled down on "protecting the family" by being against gay marriage. Something even most republicans are for now.
samehomosexual and the cancer killing nu/k/ (/k/ already died)
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[R]s and [D]s are two sides of the same coin. Thats the scam we live under. They're all freemasons working for a foreign power.
Gay marriage is abhorrent and we’ve degraded as a society and as a country as we’ve catered to gays. Bill Clinton was against gay marriage when he was in office too. You are a homosexual and don’t belong here
>Gay marriage is abhorrent
adopting early 2000s era conservative opinions is not a sign of wisdom.
Not an argument
>you are a homosexual and don’t belong
Called it
Doesn't he know it's 2000+23?
>manufactured culture war that the republican party is pushing
Kek, frick off commie
>manufactured culture war
Yes, manufactured by israelites
We all know what Eugene Stoner would have done
This is my white whale
Me too. The 63 is probably the coolest gun ever. I handled a Robinson M96 a couple days ago and I haven't been the same since.
Imagine being friends with a man that eats another man's cum out of his girlfriend's snatch...
pic related is karl, an avowed satanist.
Why is he drinking cum, are him and yandere dev friends?
i know you and no one else cares but its absinthe.
I'm so offended, how could he exercise his religious liberty like this, I thought this was America ;_;
No one is arguing Karl shouldn't worship Satan, he just deserves a bullet for doing so it's pretty simple.
The satanist thing he is involved in is basically atheism with extra edge for people with daddy issues. Basically we pretend to be religion that is about most offensive thing to christians.
hes actually a satanic minister at a satanic church. he was a minister or something (wore edgy red cape) at satancon.
karl and ian are massive homosexuals. also when did /k/ get so full of homosexuals?
it's always been full of homosexuals
if anything there are fewer now than there ever were
hello there newfriend. did you hear about this site from reddit?
Frick off dumbass, it's clear you've never been here before 2016
>hes actually a satanic minister at a satanic church. he was a minister or something (wore edgy red cape) at satancon.
He is minister of atheistic pretend-a-church. The Satanic Temple.
>karl and ian are massive homosexuals.
Arguably Karl is far more massive homosexual, all the recent drama over everything. Dude basically committed professional/business sudoku over arguing with arfcom boomers.
>also when did /k/ get so full of homosexuals?
Always has been.
>He is minister of atheistic pretend-a-church. The Satanic Temple.
this homosexual is literally a minister and headed satan-con or some other cum drinking convention. he even says its his religion.
>this homosexual is literally a minister and headed satan-con or some other cum drinking convention.
Holy frick, they organize conventions. Just like bronies and furries.
>That's just their public face, behind closed doors they do all of the child rape and homosexual devil worship.
I didn't know he was Catholic.
How do I upvote
Reminder that more teachers molest children than priests. Yes that’s per capita
And there are many more teachers than priests, who spend more hours out of any given year around kids than any priest. NTA.
tfw too moronic to understand per capita
That’s why I said per capita dipshit
>He is minister of atheistic pretend-a-church. The Satanic Temple.
How do people believe this? That's just their public face, behind closed doors they do all of the child rape and homosexual devil worship.
Yes, it's a way for for the "I'm very smart, englightened and euphoric" fedora tippers to be unique snowflakes compared to the regular "I'm very smart, enlightened and euphoric" Atheist Experience crowd and to have a thin veneer of edgelordism and contrarianism and being xtreeem without actually veering outside the acceptable confines of spineless woke neomarxists whateverthefrick they are. When it comes to being massive hypocrites as to what actual satanism would be and merely opposing the kind of things that their educators programmed them to oppose, just bring up topics such as the other two abrahamic religions in a truly anti-religious manner or socialism in a way that contravenes their brainwashing and watch the spastic seizure unfold.
Has anyone here actually shot a WWSD style AR? They're light and super balanced laser beams basically.
Look at how well one does actually shooting at distance.
>look how well an ar with an lpvo does shooting steel from prone
Are you moronic?
If this was a piece of junk would it be hitting targets that well? They're also fast as frick in target transitions because they're light. What theoretical situation are they practically bad for? The only thing they got wrong was not having a handguard with a full rail for mounting IR/NV devices.
I really don't get the hate unless you just don't like who came up with it. Look at what Carbon Mk 12 handguards go for, and people loved GWACs lowers back in the day.
Thank you for opening your mouth and removing all doubt.
>If this was a piece of junk would it be hitting targets that well?
No, but any AR with a scope can do that. A $400 PSA, Anderson, etc and a $100-120 3-9x can make those same shots
Reminder to all that Karl is a cuck and he lost the patented Inrange wheelbarrow in the divorce
Seeing how mad those mud tests of the AK vs AR made people was great fun back in the day.
Polymer lower is a smart thing.
Though I do believe that the web between the lower receiver and the stock should be even thicker than it is now there.
I get why people don't like Ian and Karl, especially Karl.
But I don't really see like what's at issue with the whole WWSD/KP15 concept. Sure certain parts are kinda homosexual. Who doesn't like a super light AR15 tho?
carbon fiber really bothers people on /k/ for some reason.
>dude stoner would have TOTALLY made a rifle that's supposed to see combat with a lower that's made out of the shittiest plastic known to man.
>he would've DEFINITELY added a handguard with a little carbon fiber pattern for extra cool points!
lmao this video was such pathetic sponsor shilling. how much do you think they got paid to pull that shit?
>b-but that lower is super duper strong reinforced plastic!!
no it's not. it's regular ass polymer and it's shit. I've seen a frickton of those break before and yes I do mean that specific brand (not going to name them frick you).
>b-but my favorite YouTuber did a "torture test" where he dropped it on the ground from shoulder height FOUR TIMES and it didn't break!!
I don't care what your favorite YouTuber was paid to do.
if you believe this shit, you are the reason the AR market is so full of overpriced and useless bullshit
Stoner used polymer and plastic in an age where the standard was iron and wood.
He had no issues selecting less durable and very advanced materials in the name of saving weight.
stoner used polymer handguards, not a fricking reciever. a handguard breaks, the gun still shoots. a reciever breaks, no more gun. idiot.
He used a polymer stock while running the buffer tube through it.
When that standard A1 stock gets damaged it will almost certainly crush the thin buffer tube and prevent cycling.
The point wasn't "this is the gun stoner would make", rather "if stoner made this gun, this is how he would make it.".
Now, it's still gay and moronic, and I have my doubt stoner would make as moronic of a gun as that, but there is some nuance to their name baiting.
I like Ian and Forgotten Weapons a lot but I knew Karl was suspect after the first video of him I saw was a WW1 two guns match where he threw the grenade in the most limp wristed homosexual way imaginable
Ian is now working on new book with that moronic guy from Q.
A History of American Silencers
By Ian McCollum with Kevin Brittingham
https://www.headstamppublishing.com/silencer-book
Satanism: "ironically" worship the embodiment of evil under the auspices of promoting the "objective"/rationalist ideologies, actively denigrate and mock traditional religion, conduct "ironic" church services/recitals for the "lolz" and to politically promote abortion, LGBT, and anti-religious sentiment.
>why does everyone hate us?
Idk, maybe it's an utter lack of any redeeming qualities. There is something ironic about self-proclaimed "rationalists" who join a cult/anti-religion for the purposes of "trolling" traditional religion. If confronted they typically employ a "that's the point" defense. Well, what a point to be made - one that ignores any phenomenological view of the world and is beaten to death in every religion 101 classroom. Imagine adopting a thought experiment (e.g., flying spaghetti monster) as your core ideology, and you'll understand the mentality of the enlightened satanist.
What is the significance of hitting a computer keyboard with a hammer?
So that you can't besmirch israelites/satan with it?
Knowing that dork it was probably some dig at the internet trolls or some shit
It's "Frick YOU Dad I'm not going to join your DUMB CHURCH" as an adult.
I disregard the opinion of anyone who self-identifies as a Satanist because they have chosen the mindset of a child. Satanism and the total hedonism it represents is a cultural dead end.
kys
Yeah bro, Afrikaans being restricted more and more in public spaces, White property being seized, the hundreds of photos online of white south africans with their guts ripped out and heads cut open, that's all just right wing propaganda I am sure the white south africans love their situation of being a minority in a sea of africans that hate whites.
idgaf kys
dirty Black person lover
The first AR 15 was a plastic fantastic carbine designed to be as handy as was possible at the time.
Even in the era, it did not use or accommodate a lot of accessories that were widely available.
So modularity was not a concern for Stoner. In fact if you ever listened to him talk, he actively believed that firearms should be very locked down so that soldiers can't frick them up.
I just like the way it looks. I think it's pretty.
*pretty gay
Wasn't Stoner some naturally gifted pressure and timing engineer? He'd have an idea about how a gun should fit, feel and fire inside of a durability/maintenance specifications for some statistically typical quality shooter and a few months later he could give you a minutiae perfect weapon without gimmicks, just solid realiable, economical for the era materials and manufacturing.
It was everyone else who got in his way about bullshit like weight, space age materials, unnecessary features like the jam button, all that dumb shit.
Stoner would not build Ian's AR. He'd never stoop so low.
This. For example, Stoner was opposed to the composite barrel submitted to the Army for testing of the AR-10. He knew it was a bad idea, but someone else pushed it forwards anyway and you can see how that turned out. The aluminum outer layer and steel inner lining delaminated due to different rates of thermal expansion and kaboum
It has can.
Truly grasped the future.
It's a big funky compensator
These old wooden AR-10s have a lot of style honestly.
I prefer the modern metal with a flat rail for optics/thermal.
It's a great caliber for all sorts of large game really.
As a hunter that is, hunting large wild game.
Even an AK-47 can be used to hunt.
It may be a weapon of war, yes.
But it works for large game.
lmao the AR10 never had wood. It was always bakelite, the only guns that had wood had it put on by someone after the fact.
That's not wood, ding-dong
Anyone have the Vickers Guide books in pdf? Would make for good airplane travel reading.
buy it, you filthy pirate
he's got cancer!
Army ordnance corps were very much in for composite barrel because they knew it would fail and M14 would be selected.
That's bullshit, but I believe it. Much of the blame could fall on George Sullivan, and there were really several factors that added up to failure. The steel lining was a type 416 steel which wasn't suitable for rapid changes in temperature, it had an excess of sulphur included in the alloy to make it cheaper and easier to machine, and the big compensator added more weight to the front end that forced the barrel to flex downwards slightly.
Basically, they cheaped out on the barrel without knowing why that was a bad idea and Stoner had known for a while that it was moronic. Sullivan wanted it anyway because he's the boss.
>All to save two ounces over a fluted steel barrel
baka my damn head
Now get this, 4150 CMV had just been introduced by the ordinance corps. The T44 guys at Springfield Armory thought what Stoner was doing was cool and made a custom fluted 4150 barrel for him (for free) that ended up being basically the same weight as the Armalite meme barrel just to help a bro out. They didn't even have to sabotage the AR-10 since it just was nowhere near ready.
They also never "sabotaged" the AR-15 either, that's Stoner being dramatic. The Alaska tests noted real deficiencies that actually existed like the bolts freezing in place (forward assist needed) and 1:14 not stabilizing at low temps (low velocity). In fact Ito who ran the tests at Alaska noted that every single proposed shortfall/change was actually implemented in the Congressional hearings. The Inspector General's office simply noted that the tests were fairly conducted and data was recorded accurately, it's just that the Infantry Board and Ordnance both liked the M14 and in analysis/conclusions were preferential to the M14 - they didn't rig any tests.
>made a custom fluted 4150 barrel for him (for free)
That's probably the one mentioned being only two ounces heavier, then. I still think Sullivan was a dickhead for pushing the composite meme barrel in the first place.
I also still think the AR-10 is better than the M14 but I may just be biased.
Sullivan took a good risk. Notice how all Stoner can ever say is "well I don't think this is a good idea" but it's not like he has ever had the more compelling engineering solution.
"Don't use that barrel it's not a good idea!"
>alright gene, how are we going to get this gun to be lighter than the T44?
"....."
"Don't use ball powder on the AR-15!"
>Ok, mr. Stoner, what powder should we use since IMR4475 is being discontinued?
"......"
"Don't use a forward assist - I've never seen it need in the tests"
>Ok mr. stoner but what about the alaska tests and the mud tests that demonstrate its necessity in the cold and usefulness in the mud?
>I also still think the AR-10 is better than the M14 but I may just be biased.
I used to think the same thing, but after reading Random Shots by Roy E. Rayle along with the Ichord hearings and taking notes, my mind was blown with how reddit tier the pop history is about the subject.
"...."
"A heavier buffer won't increase dwell time and it won't fix this overgassing issue from ball powder!"
>ignores him like a boss
Notice how Stoner just is the "hmm sounds like a bad idea" but doesn't have the problem solved himself. It was either make a gun significantly lighter and show huge potential or lose to two guns that had a much better head start in terms of development (T44/T48). At that time the AR-10 was under developed in the way the AR-15 was which lead to all the Vietnam jams. By the time the AR-10 was much more ready for trials it weighed the same as the T44 did anyways negating one of its primary advantages.
>A good risk
It failed to take off with the bolt action rifle it was initially tried on, what made him think it would work under even more strenous circumstances?
Their gun was immature and not ready for an apples to apples comparison. If they could at least have had it work by sheer luck they could have shown how advanced it was and that it was maybe worthy of investment to finalize it as a product. There was no way it was going to win with having had such comparatively little work done to it compared to the FAL and the ordnance rifles.
Nice post homosexual. Here's a (you) for your gayboy take.
Wow you are a gay. Stoner was never asked about powder until they switched. The barrel is lighter by using a lighter profile or fluting. Weight isn’t an issue on the M16. The forward assist was added at request of the army, by Stoner and Sullivan.
All of your gay questions didn’t happen because he wasn’t consulted.
>Stoner was never asked about powder until they switched.
Right, and what words of wisdom did he give?
>"Don't."
So what should they do if zero manufacturing companies are willing to load using IMR4475 powder AND its production is being halted by DuPont so even if they were willing to load it will run out anyways? What powder should they have used instead? Stoner just says "hmm sounds like a bad idea." Stoner was primarily interested in deflecting any blame or responsibility instead of coming up with any positive contribution. You know maybe he could have said, "well if you keep the port pressure within x range you should be fine." Neither Stoner nor Remington ever measured gas port pressure so they had no idea what it was supposed to be and it was up to Colt and the Army to figure that part out. That's why deferring to Stoner as an authority on these specific matters and the pop history on this is so fricking laughable.
>The forward assist was added at request of the army, by Stoner and Sullivan.
Literally go read a book or something. Neither Stoner nor Sullivan had any involvement with the AR-15s forward assist.
>All of your gay questions didn’t happen because he wasn’t consulted.
He was literally at the Alaska test and asked this at the Ichord hearings. Stoner even until at least 1967 said (incorrectly) that the new M16 heavier buffer weight will not increase dwell time to help with slowing down extraction. He was wrong and his lack of involvement with the AR-15 shows since Sullivan admits Stoner never worked directly on a 5.56 project gun until the 70s.
>a rifle that won't function without a specific propellant
And this rifle was supposed to be adopted during the Cold War, a war that would have supply lines and industry getting nuked so what happens when the only plant producing said powder gets destroyed?
>have to keep an exact pressure
And these pressure tests are often done in laboratory conditions, while ignoring that battlefields can range between 110° to -40°. So what happens when you can't get the special snowflake ammo and it's in conditions the manufacturers never even considered during testing? I've had problems with a 20" Bushmaster rifle length gas in winter, when it got below freezing I'd often have failures to eject/extract.
>so what happens when the only plant producing said powder gets destroyed?
That's why the Army authorized multiple powders throughout Vietnam and continuously sought alternates but the only one that could meet the advertised specifications was ball powder. Stoner would have rather used the less suited IMR4475, which in reality was what Remington originally chose when Stoner asked for them to make the cartridge but ironically refused to load during Vietnam.
>And these pressure tests are often done in laboratory conditions, while ignoring that battlefields can range between 110° to -40°.
You do know how EPVAT tests work, right? You do know the test apparatus is pretty simple and can be done in cold weather chambers or you could just test for port pressure at 70 as a standard and see if it works in arctic conditions. Also, why didn't any other US issued gun have problem with ball powder such as the M14, M60, etc?
>never asked
You even agreed to that. It was in fricking congressional hearings. He wasn’t asked about it switch. How can he recommend something that he was never asked about?
>He wasn’t asked about it switch
He was asked as the switch was happening and later of course at the Congressional hearings. Obviously with such a shitty answer as "hmm don't don't change powders" when there has to be a change to some other powder they're of course going to select another powder rather than make nothing at all.
>He was asked as the switch was happening
So when it was already decided. Cool. For the 3rd time, how can he give input that matters after the fact?
It was right AS the decision was made. If he gave actual advice with a real direction I'm sure it would probably have been done. Stoner would have been able to give better advice about the subject if he actually knew of a unique solution that wasn't being implemented, but Stoner didn't know anything that the other engineers and experts didn't already know, that's why nobody cared what he had to say.
Did or did they not start changing powder before consulting Stoner or Sullivan: You and I both know they didn’t.
It was the last thing they did before making the change as a way to be thorough. Besides, why would the ask Stoner who had never directly done any engineering on the AR-15 or Sullivan who hadn't touched the project in 5 years? It was Colt's gun and even if they got feedback of any substance from Stoner (impossible) they'd have to get Colt to engineer it as well or at least test it before implementing it, so the point is moot since Colt actually fixed the gun.
>was the last thing they did before making the change as a way to be thorough
So they didn’t BEFORE the change. Which is what I said. And why everything you’ve based off that is wrong. Just take the L
>So they didn’t BEFORE the change
There wasn't a change away from IMR4475, they added it as an authorized alternative which is what every military and country has ever done without asking the inventor of a gun if they can have more than 1 company make their cartridges. They asked him once they knew they couldn't use the original commercial spec ammo anymore what to do. Your question predicates an active decision to stop using IMR4475 which is in no way true and everyone presumes the switch was just military moronation when Stoner didn't even have the right answer himself either.
Secondly, that's not a great question since ball powder was originally only an alternative powder and it ended up being the only one the Air Force wanted (for velocity) and later the only one that met the Army's velocity specs too.IMR4475 was not able to be mass produced and cherry picked like it was in the low rate production to meet velocity specs, so there was less an "active" decision to use it and more like winner by default once all the commercial manufacturers started to refuse to load IMR4475.
>old dug in mil 4+ stars only like what they're already accustomed to
>m14 is basically a modernized Garand
>old dug in mil 4+ stars have fond memories of Garand
>What is this homosexual newcomer thinking, this rifle *looks* atrocious, that isn't a man's weapon!
>blahblah gas fouling muh unstick button
And in the real world every modern torture test that includes deep sand, mud and freezing impairment proves that Stoner's DI is superior for "it's going to shoot this time" reliability.
Anon, mililtary in-group dicksucking is responsible for a lot of bad decisions, like the bloated Bradley, and the choice of the YF-22 over the YF-23. That last one is particularly egregious, because a modern F-23 is well understood to be a superior modern jet for the modern needs.
>inb4 hindsight 20/20
Fighters are built with a 30+ year use life. The people who knew the -23 was better knew what we needed in the future. F-22 is great, but the F-23 is better.
Hence, AR-10 was a fine design hamstrung by bloviated once-was desk jockey wiener suckers.
>every real world test
>combat in Veitnam
>M14 was fantastic
>M16 jammed
>/k/opers
>BUT MUH CHROME
>BUT MUH POWDER
If your shitstick can't operate without special snowflake powder that can't produced under the best conditions possible then it had absolutely no business being adopted. McNamara's direct involvement in overruling the Ordinance Board cost men their lives and Colt should have been put out of business.
Pretty good bait. Almost believable if you didn’t mention the M14 being fantastic
>nooooo the M14 sucks!!!!
>everyone who has used them
>M14 is a reliable hard hitting rifle
>BUT IAN SAID!!!
Stop using a neverserved homosexuals opinion and actually READ about combat use of the M14.
>nooo your lying
I'm not Google Black person, go look up "SR25 problems/MK11 problems/M110 problems and fricking read.
>no examples
Called it
>this wrong of a take
Holy shit kid you can't be more wrong.
>M14
Proven IN ACTUAL COMBAT to be more reliable than the M16/M110, if it was as unreliable as you claim then reports would have come back as stating that the M14 was unreliable, not the M16.
>Bradley
Pentagon Wars was not real kid.
>F22 vs YF23
The F22 outperformed the YF23 in virtually every aspect, the YF23 was only good at stealth and speed, at the cost of significantly longer development and maintenance upkeep.
>YF23
>future proof
Lol no.
very nicely crafted bait, deserves at least one (You)
It’s not entirely bait.
Pentagon Wars is absolutely not real or realistic.
>yf-23 was only good at stealth and speed
Air combat is all fricking BVR with 50+ mile range missiles and now 100+, how much maneuverability do you think an airplane needs? Hardly fricking any. It needs legs and range and stealth.
The YF-23 had better legs, range, and stealth.
Now we need to procure 140, $300 million dollar NGADs for the Pacific when a supplemental fleet of modernized-developed 23s would only need engine updates and conformal drop tanks for the same effect.
Get fricked, you don't have the intelligence required to vote in 4 year increments let alone understand good choices to last 30 or more years.
>all air combat is BVR
>stealth
Oh sweet child.
You'll need to explain that with more than a reddit response.
>all three major air forces (PLAAF/Russian Air Force/USAF)
>we need stealth aircraft that have excellent maneuverability
>some random homosexual on PrepHole
>NO YOU NEED A FASTER STEALTHY AIRCRAFT!!!!!
Look at the choices that these military branches have made, now do you think they adopt aircraft based on random criteria or do they do years of testing and war games to come to their conclusions?
>Proven IN ACTUAL COMBAT to be more reliable than the M16/M110
The M14 was more reliable than a rifle that was first deployed in 2008? Huh. You must have reports for Afghanistan and Iraq to back that up. Right? You wouldn’t be completely lying now would you…
You're right on pretty much all counts but there were politics going into the decision against Northrop as well. They couldn't hand over pretty much the next gen fighter and bomber programs both while shoveling money into the B-2 the whole time as well. If the 22 had failed Lockheed Martin would have folded before the Raptor ever got slapped together in time with as rocky start as it had among buyers and development.
>And in the real world every modern torture test that includes deep sand, mud and freezing impairment proves that Stoner's DI is superior for "it's going to shoot this time" reliability.
The thing is I've come across countless clones and not a single "clone" has the proper extractor spring. The original, for instance, is stronger than even a sprinco 5 coil spring and would give more failures to chamber/lock than a modern gun will. None of the guns you see today can have the rusted out chambers like they did in vietnam because they no one is stupid enough to have a plain steel barrel after the 50s besides Yugoslavians, Western Europeans, Stoner+McNamara, or commercial companies trying to make extra profit margin from moron civilians who do not care, understand, or stress their guns at all. Most civilian guns are also more overgassed than what ball powder did to the original M16. It just so happens that the buffers used in the modern guns are nowhere near as bad or have the potential to lock up as the original that Stoner designed and they also all have o rings to aid with extractor tension not present back then. All of these modern AR-15s and clones do not come close to replicating the real reliability issues that the original had back then. Get this, there was an official order in Vietnam to download to 18 or 19 rounds for the M16 that did not exist for the M14 because of near guaranteed failure to chamber the first round an order of magnitude higher than the M14. That means in Vietnam the M14 effectively had a larger magazine capacity.
Sullivan admitted that 1:14 twist rate with the slightly slower velocities the old powder gave in arctic conditions was not sufficient for stabilizing the bullet, and that it was a real issue. Ito recommended/noted many things besides accuracy such as the bolt freezing in place and needing some means to be able to move it forward like when it is stuck partially back and you can't open the receiver.
>They also never "sabotaged" the AR-15 either, that's Stoner being dramatic
They took out the front sight and replaced it will welding rod and then complained about accuracy. Come the frick on
>"We call it ummm what would stoner do! Because um he would do this!!!"
Ok so why didn't he do that then you dumb homosexual
Because the material science of the day was vastly different for today. The original AR15 used Bakelite and Aluminum, later on it had an improved alloy of aluminum and zytel with the A2. It's only reasonable that now with the new fancy polymers we have, along with more exotic materials like carbon fiber being cheaper and easier to manufacture.
With all that said I don't think stoner would have went down the route the Satanic Shitters went since he did do work in the mid 2000's and never tried to implement any of these things to any projects he worked on.
Not to mention he made this piece of shit.
>he did do work in the mid 2000's
Stoner died in 97
My bad, I thought he worked on the M110 not just the SR25.
Is that a glass of cum?
ngl I thought it was cum too
feel sorry for ppl who bought into the hype of those things. i prob would have built one if they had come up with them a few years earlier when i was in that part of my AR journey.
The second they said it has a plastic lower I went "Nope, frick off."
An aluminum alloy metal lower will last until it rusts, and it won't ever rust even with the dumbest backwoods motherfricker abusing it for a century.
A plastic lower suffers liimited lifespan for the same reason plastic and rubber parts in a car wear out after 10-20 years, they evaporate necessary oils/compounds/volatiles over time no matter what you do.
I'm not spending money on a thing that gets catalogued in a national Fed database, that's going to inevitably break.
As I said before,
>"Stoner would not build Ian's AR. He'd never stoop so low."
That KE lower is appealing for super cheap builds. Pick up 10 of them and whatever bargain bin uppers are on sale and equipping a rifle squad is within reach for an average joe
It's at least like the CAV arms one with reinforcement where needed. Would I trust my life to it? Yeah sure. Would I pole vault with it? No.
>DI
Stoner moved on from that.
nah i'm not taking that bait
morons didn't even use the right caliber.
Ah yes, the gun that blew up.
Not only that but it blew up in such a way that would seriously injure the shooter.
Ian acts like he has deep knowledge on every gun, yet he has gotten numerous things wrong on a lot of shit. Normally it's little things but still he is not this magnificent authority on guns and at best is a short introduction to a gun. Not to mention a lot of his videos are severely lacking in details. Then you get his modern videos which are glorified advertisements, dude comes off more as a shotshow sales rep these days.
Blew up because of the composite barrel. Just accept that you can't use the composite barrel and swap in the ordinary steel barrel and it's fine.
It very much was not just fine, there's a reason portugal dropped it for thr G3 of all things.
I won't act like the AR10 was complete bunk but it very much was a rifle that would destroy itself faster than any other rifle it went against.
Stay mad, Black person.
Yeah but that has nothing to do with the composite barrel blowing.
Go wash your hands with bleach, shitskin.
They're both dumb homosexuals that will burn in hell forever for not accepting Lord Jesus as their savior. God hating homosexual.
Just admit it, you guys hate Ian just because he gets to finger all those funs.
i'd drink coyote piss if it meant i get to own a steyr acr and an em2
I don't like Ian anymore for the same reason I don't like Hickok45 anymore or a number of other israelitetubers their content turned into a bastardized version of itself over time. His content went from showing off cool historic and unique firearms to being what is essentially lindybeige or Skallagrim for guns. He started shilling products and doing his dumb 2 gun matches to meet video quotes, I appreciate he gets the opportunity now to check out rare private collections like CZ or Radom now instead of whatever James D Julia has on hand but historic firearms used to his 99% of his content not 1 in 5 of his uploads with the other 4 being him in a robe drinking while reading patreon questions.
His channel has lost all its allure and feels like any other run of the mill youtube "history" channel instead of a place to learn about FORGOTTEN WEAPONS.
>instead of a place to learn about FORGOTTEN WEAPONS.
what forgotten weapons are even left outside of more 1800s bolt actions and pocket pistols?
>what forgotten weapons are even left outside of more 1800s bolt actions and pocket pistols?
He has barely scratched the surface of anything outside of Europe and the United States even then I don't think hes ever gone down the tube lock rabbit hole. Either way it doesn't matter hes not making the same content I subscribed to see as you yourself admit for whatever reason valid or not.
/k/ and /misc/ hate Ian for a very simple reason: he proves that their interest in guns isn't the thing that keeps them from being happy.
Miserable people have this complex, where, instead of looking at their own lives and their own responsibilities and ways they can improve themselves, they frame every problem they have as being inflicted by external forces. The woman who gets two pounds of metal shoved in her face, 5,000$ in shitty tattoos, and green hair- it's not her fault she's poor, it's capitalism/neoliberalism's fault. The dude who never leaves their shitty apartment, has a bunch of gear and milsurp, and prays for the apocalypse? It's not his fault he's socially isolated, that's a noble sacrifice he makes to prepare for balkanization or a nuclear apocalypse or a zombie outbreak, and the normies just don't understand and reject them, which is why he'll be a warlord and they'll grovel for mercy. Ian is a direct counterpoint to this- he shoots, collects, travels, and interacts with a huge variety of people in a polite and pleasant manner, and does it BECAUSE of his interest in guns, not despite it. Ian is a direct challenge to the ass backwards core beliefs of the Roddy Ho social moron, and the fact that he's happy and they're miserable drives them absolutely fricking mad with jealousy.
>dat projection
Do you sell concessions while a watch a movie?