oh so the germans had a concrete layer under the pyramyds too so you cant ram or move them because they were attached. That is actually a pain in the ass to deal.
its really simple to deal with them actually
just drop a bomb on them and then scrape
add dirt as needed
literally any bladed tank could go through in like 2 minutes tops
>2 minutes
Bullshit. There are a few still around EU and those things are fricking huge. Cope pyramids well built are a pain in the ass if you dont have your engineers around.
I'd always pass them cycling on my to the swimming pool. It's too much work and too much expensive to remove. They'll probably get removed in the future if the real estate prices keep going up though.
There is nothing to suggest Ukrainians even pushed far enough to see these, so most likely just discarded surplus from the main line.
Stop slurping up propaganda thoughtlessly.
Just use them as fundaments.
11 months ago
Anonymous
the frick is a fundament
11 months ago
Anonymous
Foundation
11 months ago
Anonymous
>ESL >Dirt floor home >No indoor plumbing >No shoes
11 months ago
Anonymous
>fundament
russoid detected go celebrate the day of the churka and shit yourself from mister cider pidorashka
luckily not made out of blue concrete. That ol german bunker concrete. I encountered a piece of that shit once. Holy mother of god you can hammer blue concrete all day long and not get far.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There are loads of German bunkers made of this concrete all over the area I grew up in, which is on Walcheren were a lot of the fighting of the Battle of the Scheldt took place. You're right. Those bunkers are strong AF. They'll probably be there forever.
>Removed
Those are priceless artifacts!
Some of the old bunkers have been and are getting restored as form of "dark tourism". Ironically Zeeland gets visited by almost a million German tourists a year.
11 months ago
Anonymous
funfact: on crystalline level, the german blue bunker concrete REACHES ITS FINAL HARDNESS AFTER 200 YEARS.
its not even done yet, 130 years till first erosion apart from some moss roots start.
great stuff.
11 months ago
Anonymous
luckily not made out of blue concrete. That ol german bunker concrete. I encountered a piece of that shit once. Holy mother of god you can hammer blue concrete all day long and not get far.
What is 'blue concrete' exactly?
11 months ago
Anonymous
concrete that is blue
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just concrete, except with A LOT of cement compared to normal concrete.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Maximum hardness!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Should have posted misty for that
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wont that make it pretty brittle too then?
11 months ago
Anonymous
askin dumb questions you wanna get slapped or something?
Well yes and no in my area they are xbox huge like close to 2m and had slots for mines pressure and time delay ones. kinda like the göbels aspargus With dedicated fire support bunkers (though limited)
you needed to clear/detonate the mines, then dozer soil/sticks over them. Possible but annoying. But then you still have a bottleneck that can be shelled from 20 km away
Yeah, you basically require a decent amount of explosives to blow a gap through if you want to get past in a reasonable timeframe.
luckily not made out of blue concrete. That ol german bunker concrete. I encountered a piece of that shit once. Holy mother of god you can hammer blue concrete all day long and not get far.
Heh, there's a reason most of the damn flak towers never got demolished.
>Why are the tops flattened?
Concrete is poured into forms. Naturally the top settles flat as the concrete settles out.
You could make the form you pour into have a more narrow top for a finer point but it would limit your pour speed.
The sheer useless of the Ziggfried Line is just stunning. They didn't bother setting the dragon's teeth into a pit to make them harder to remove. In some cases, they didn't even remove the tow hooks. They could have strung barbed wire between them to make it harder for infantry to get past. They could have attached them to anti-personnel and anti-tank mines to make it that much more difficult to remove them.
I get the crappy construction quality. It's Russia, some contractor is going to cut corners to line their pockets, but it's like the soldiers whose lives are at stake couldn't be bothered to put in the slightest bit of effort. The Germans built the entire goddamn Atlantic Wall in 27 months. The Russians have had 16 months and all they've managed is Cope Toblerones and earth-and-log pillboxes.
Saw some video last year from the first week where a platoon of conscripts were walking a long a road north of Kyiv, that suddenly had concertina wire alongside it... Then the machine gun opened fire.
But you'd think Bakhmut would be covered in the stuff
No stockpiles of it ready to go, Russians were expecting to need it, Ukraine carried out a lot of Ambushes.
Large frontlines, mean you need shitloads of it, and it might be just as a hindrance to your own guys.
Hollow no, just some poured shapes of concrete plopped down on top of the soil doubt there is even reinforcement inside. Any vehicle, including a lada could tow them away. They need to be massive and dug down, with a good length of steel rods in the bottom to anchor them even further. But the vatniks have managed to skimp out on the concrete, the steel, the production and the construction work. They have managed to frick up a truly caveman-simple job. So in that regard the cope teeth is an amazing job, truly mind boggling
It's CORRUPTION, pure as simple, just like the rest of the Vatnik barbarian regime. They used the construction contracts to line their own pockets, yet again. Greedy vulture mafiosos cannot compete with a REAL military.
Even Wagner was undone mainly by its own greed and petty struggles for power.
I'd always pass them cycling on my to the swimming pool. It's too much work and too much expensive to remove. They'll probably get removed in the future if the real estate prices keep going up though.
https://i.imgur.com/pZxKkTw.jpg
Not like this...
Everyone seems to be using concrete while Finns used and is still using granite. These are still waiting Russians. Hundreds of miles/kilometers placed next to Russian border.
Just like a stencil with empty space inside - put a smaller pyramid mold (made of some cheap shit since you're not getting it back) inside the big one using spacers, fill the space between them, when it dries fill the spacers. Or don't, the order never specified that spacer holes must be filled, so frick them.
You make either 4 triangles or 4 triangles and a square then cement them together on a metal frame of some sort. If you're doing it right before you put the last side on you fill it with rebar and concrete. Voila, you now have a dragons tooth that is a b***h to deal with and sure to leave a bunch of debris when you do. Cement it into foundation strips that run the length of your line and you have given some engineers a lot of work. If you leave the tow rings you can string frickloads of wire through them too for an absolutely hellish spiderweb of pain. The teeth being cemented in place and linked by concertina wire significantly reduces the risk of them but being towed out of the way making the removal of tow rings no longer necessary.
The Russians skipped some steps making theirs an absolute joke.
Why would you bother with a pyramid mold when you can literally just make 2-3 inch thick triangle plate molds? Seems like a much bigger pain in the ass than it needs to be if you're working with concrete.
For structural integrity. A molded hollow pyramid can still be moved around easily, but triangle plates glued together probably won't survive delivery, let alone installation. You're also doubling the production time because you have to let the triangles cure then the adhesive. EPS (Styrofoam) molds are incredibly common in concrete forming, it's really the easier of the two options.
Not glued, cemented. As in with cement. Why use regular old adhesives? I really don't think when properly assembled it'd be that bad to move and install them. Worst case you ship some stacks of replacement plates which can also potentially be used as obstacles on their own. At least in Russia's case installation is literally just lifting them out of a truck bed setting them there then leaving them to break up in the heating and cooling process while foreigners laugh at how poorly made they are.
If I'm doing dragons teeth they definitely would not be hollow.
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Anonymous
You're missing the point, assembling them on site with cement as mortar would defeat the entire ruse. They knew hollow teeth couldn't physically stop a tank. They only had to pretend these were solid as a deterrent, so they had to appear solid during the installation. Specifically for the propaganda video the filmed while laying them out. How do you do that on a Russian budget? Hollow precast teeth. They're essentially movie props.
11 months ago
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Most of them should make it fine regardless. You're not assembling the vast majority of them on site and probably not even repairing the damaged ones on the line. Fair bet those things are shipped to yards and warehouses where they can be touched up if needed before being loaded up and moved to deployment zones. Guaranteed because it's Russia regardless of how they did it they broke a bunch because it's probably worse than we think when it comes to the quality.
Your company would go bankrupt because you got outcompeted by some guys running styrofoam centered variants.
Turns out corrupt shitholes like saving face more than they like actually spending decent money on things.
If it's down to marketing and cheaping out that's simple. "Luckily we have concrete panels that can be used for MANY things! You like dragon's teeth? Try shark fins! Even cheaper because is single panel! Just push into ground and enemy cannot pass*! Work like spikes in parking lot! Just push into ground and win! Four (4) panels for the same cost as a single dragon tooth from our competitors!"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your company would go bankrupt because you got outcompeted by some guys running styrofoam centered variants.
Turns out corrupt shitholes like saving face more than they like actually spending decent money on things.
11 months ago
Anonymous
not defending russia itself, but hollow dragons teeth still look like a barrier until you hit one. fake outs a legit strategy. what if you hit the one fricking real one? embarrassing. same with tossing empty landmines and throwing one or two real ones. you have to pretend all of them are live
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bullshitting seems to be Russia's primary strategy at this point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
just sayin, dont knock it. bullshit is totally valid. nobody wants to be first to find out its real. if i was russia id keep putting out these awful teeth and fill one up with as many antitanks mines i could find. make my garbage a threat
11 months ago
Anonymous
>at this point
Anon, you're talking about the home of the Potemkin village. People that have an entire word for lying about your military.
R
They've always been bullshit artists. They just used to be half good at it.
What you see now is the sad fumblings of an aged alcoholic con artist trying his old scams even though he's half senile.
11 months ago
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>Bullshitting seems to be Russia's primary strategy
The Ghost of Keev called, he says to tell you that literally everything you're hearing and seeing is bullshit.
Hollow no, just some poured shapes of concrete plopped down on top of the soil doubt there is even reinforcement inside. Any vehicle, including a lada could tow them away. They need to be massive and dug down, with a good length of steel rods in the bottom to anchor them even further. But the vatniks have managed to skimp out on the concrete, the steel, the production and the construction work. They have managed to frick up a truly caveman-simple job. So in that regard the cope teeth is an amazing job, truly mind boggling
Dragon Dentures looks better on TV to sell your super defensive line for the audiences.
Plus you get more money for a new dacha since your house on lake como got sanctioned.
Dragons teeth when properly made and defended are a huge pain in the ass. Even undefended you have to demo the bastards to go through which can take valuable time. Reinforced concrete is a bastard.
The Russian Toblerone line's dragon's nipples are hollow, not secured, and pretty clearly have nothing stopping them from just being pushed right into sufficiently soft soil and driven over. You could probably clear them with a Hilux pretty easily. The only thing the Russians did right is putting land mines all over the damn place.
>The only thing the Russians did right is putting land mines all over the damn place.
pretty sure that's not even intentional and just them trying to commit as much war crimes as they can an accidentally stumbling into a valid strategy
>BMP hits Cope Toblerone >Freeze frame >Waylon Jennings VO: "I reckon right now them 'Uke boys are awful glad they ain't VDV." >Shot unfreezes >The Hetman Skoropadskyi's horn plays a few notes of the Ukrainian national anthem >The Ukes land their BMP on one track and then tear off in a cloud of dust with Boss Priggy's T-62 chasing after them. >Cue the "Ukes of 'Herson" opening theme.
Yep, just like that. Sure they got tossed a bit but I bet the "teeth" they hit were pushed right into the mud and won't be much if a hinderance tot he next guy. Properly done they would have been stopped cold or quickly been bottomed out on the teeth.
https://i.imgur.com/ptCfgMD.png
> Even undefended you have to demo the bastards to go through
??
If you're piling up soil you still have to move all that and you have to move more than you think. What you move will be loose making it more prone to shifting as it's driven over. That still takes time. If you don't move enough (like in your image) it can shift and still bottom you out. As has been pointed out you're vulnerable that entire time. All it takes is some artillery being in range. Then there's also the risk that there's mines on/in the teeth or in the soil you're trying to move that will go off when you're piling up your earthen bridge or when you try to drive over. Demoing the teeth will also set off any mines within the ones you've blown and has the potential to be much quicker while significantly reducing the risk of shifting soil and setting off any mines safely instead of under your men and vehicles. If you're using metal tracks like a bridgelayer some land mines and other traps are magnetically triggered. Good shot anyone worth a shit has included that sort of thing. The other big risk is that the teeth are tall and/or deep to the point that your average bridgelayer won't be sufficient.
The point of defenses like this are not to be impassable, but to be a pain in the ass to pass slowing you down significantly, reducing the flow of your forces through the line, and making you vulnerable to anything that might be aimed at that general area. The Russians absolutely fricked up on the teeth which is hilarious but didn't screw up anywhere near as badly when it comes to mines. They also were aiming at some of the convenient corridors. If they had made the teeth right they'd be MUCH more useful and Ukie losses would probably be worse.
Another point that you might have forgotten is that a bridge can be blown up, even with arty. If you blow a hole in the teeth, that is a lot harder to fill in again.
You either do a shit job of it and tanks being heavy vehicles break the bridge, fall between the teeth and get stuck without a heavy crane to lift them out, or you do a proper job which means you have to bring actual bridging vehicles, which can get destroyed and will certainly cost you time, which means the teeth are working.
Ideally, the point of the defenses is to slow you down long enough while you set up some way to bypass them that the defenders can just shoot you. Works better with bigger, heavier, actually buried fortifications, but I'm sure the cope pyramids would be sufficient in some situations.
If the enemy has the ability to bring a crane and remove the toblerones, something has already fricked up big time. Also the normal procedure for clearing this is "drive tank to line, aim gun at toblreone line , press trigger until obsticle dissapears". Removing the attachment points is pointless.
Sooooo, why aren't the Ukrainians to Crimea yet then ?
Are we focusing on a picture of dragons teeth because we want to ignore the Ukrainian armor and personnel destroyed by the anti tank mines, ATGM's, artillery and the KA-52 helicopters ?
When do the Ukrainians get to the Crimean peninsula if the Russian defenses are so bad ?
Christ, we've gone from >Warsaw in 3 days, Berlin in a week, Paris in a fortnight and London in a month
to >Well Ukraine isn't in Crimea! Haha! We're winning!
I'll say what Vatniks said at the start of the war >I'm sorry, is Ukraine winning too slowly for you?
Sooooo, why aren't the Russians to Kiev yet then? If so many ukrainians died at Bakhmut then they have no soldiers left to defend. We’re approaching day 500 of the 3 day operation.
>PERHAPS ONE OF the least discussed elements of the Russian forces during the full-scale invasion of Ukraine has been its engineers. In contrast to much of the Russian forces, its engineers have performed well. The aforementioned speed with which Russian infantry dig, and the scale at which they improve their fighting positions, is noteworthy and is supplemented by combat engineers. Two engineer companies are assigned to each brigade, one focused on mining and the other on force protection engineering >Russian force protection engineering has largely followed its doctrine, with little methodological change since the Cold War. Russian defensive positions generally comprise two to three lines, depending on the context. The first line, along the line of contact, comprises the fighting positions made by the infantry. The second constitutes properly made trenches – as compared with fox holes in the first – and concrete firing posts where possible. Several obstacle belts are laid in front of these positions, usually formed with a 4-m-deep and 6-m-wide anti-tank ditch, dragons’ teeth and wire track entanglements. 24 The trench positions are usually structured as company fighting positions in wood blocks and on ridge lines, placed to cover areas of open ground with fire, rather than as contiguously occupied front lines. The depth of the defence line is usually 5 km from the first, and each belt of physical defences tends to span between 700 m and a kilometre, so that the entire obstacle series is covered by fire. The third line usually comprises fall-back fighting positions and concealed areas for reserves, with positions dug for vehicles. Command posts (CPs), meanwhile, tend to be subterranean and fortified with concrete. The overall depth of defensive fortifications exceeds 30 km on some axes.
>the only branch that requires you to be sober is the one actually doing its job
shocking
if the only Russian motivation wasn't to loot, rape and drink, they actually could have taken Ukraine in 3 days
Just a reminder those are empty inside. It's literally just chink-tier concrete shells. People posted pictures of some of them destroyed and they were a few cm thin. I didn't save it unfortunatly
>That was only the First line of defense, wait until they see the second line of defense >After all, it is normal in Soviet doctrine to have a weak first line of defense but have the second one be stronger to lure attackers into thinking they are attacking a weak point >The Second line of defense
I don't know where you live how are we suppose to know.
I do know that the people next door won't like it as the valvue of their land will go down. (Although it might go up if you are in a self police kind of place)
the cuck boxes your masters put your kind in would burn, and no amount of exaggeration will change that
the fact they they are not being sent to ukraine is proof
That would require a massive redesign of the tank itself. Blowout panel to vent downards and isolating the crew compartment from the carousel itself. The biggest issue is the loose ammo being storred around the turret.
>make tiny turret >stuff every square inch with spare ammo >...
You get to watch.
11 months ago
Anonymous
At least it's humane I guess. Then the ammo goes it's probably so quick they don't even have time to feel it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why would you not change position? Why would you sit there and let yourself be aimed at?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Many reasons: maybe the commander thought to be concealed, but forgot about all the eyes in the sky. Soviet tanks have abysmal reverse so maybe he thought it wasn't worth losing LoS without being able to go in full cover.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Needs a Goofy yell when he takes off or when he hits the roof.
Blowing out the bottom is much less effective because the explosion is contained by the ground and blowing through the turret is what they want to prevent which is why the most advanced solutions in use are to just add internal armor to the carousel (T-90M) and the mythical one is to just isolate the crew from the gun completely (T-14).
>"western main battle tanks will roll unimpeded through Russian defenses immune to Russian artillery"
Post link/screenshot/number to where it was posted.
>the shill/shills immediately brigade and deny the last several months
it’s pretty funny really. this board was a wonderful place once. now it’s just awful.
No, seriously, what's the source of this image?
GIS returns a twitter of some Italian journo, but he gives no context as to where and when was it happen. I want to know where the defensive line has been penetrated.
>this is literally what their lines of defence look like
>dragon's dentures
oh so the germans had a concrete layer under the pyramyds too so you cant ram or move them because they were attached. That is actually a pain in the ass to deal.
its really simple to deal with them actually
just drop a bomb on them and then scrape
add dirt as needed
literally any bladed tank could go through in like 2 minutes tops
>2 minutes
Bullshit. There are a few still around EU and those things are fricking huge. Cope pyramids well built are a pain in the ass if you dont have your engineers around.
I'd always pass them cycling on my to the swimming pool. It's too much work and too much expensive to remove. They'll probably get removed in the future if the real estate prices keep going up though.
There is nothing to suggest Ukrainians even pushed far enough to see these, so most likely just discarded surplus from the main line.
Stop slurping up propaganda thoughtlessly.
Just use them as fundaments.
the frick is a fundament
Foundation
>ESL
>Dirt floor home
>No indoor plumbing
>No shoes
>fundament
russoid detected go celebrate the day of the churka and shit yourself from mister cider pidorashka
luckily not made out of blue concrete. That ol german bunker concrete. I encountered a piece of that shit once. Holy mother of god you can hammer blue concrete all day long and not get far.
There are loads of German bunkers made of this concrete all over the area I grew up in, which is on Walcheren were a lot of the fighting of the Battle of the Scheldt took place. You're right. Those bunkers are strong AF. They'll probably be there forever.
Some of the old bunkers have been and are getting restored as form of "dark tourism". Ironically Zeeland gets visited by almost a million German tourists a year.
funfact: on crystalline level, the german blue bunker concrete REACHES ITS FINAL HARDNESS AFTER 200 YEARS.
its not even done yet, 130 years till first erosion apart from some moss roots start.
great stuff.
What is 'blue concrete' exactly?
concrete that is blue
Just concrete, except with A LOT of cement compared to normal concrete.
>Maximum hardness!
Should have posted misty for that
Wont that make it pretty brittle too then?
askin dumb questions you wanna get slapped or something?
..hahah
>Removed
Those are priceless artifacts!
i'd just use it as a foundation and build a house on top of it.
sovl
Well yes and no in my area they are xbox huge like close to 2m and had slots for mines pressure and time delay ones. kinda like the göbels aspargus With dedicated fire support bunkers (though limited)
you needed to clear/detonate the mines, then dozer soil/sticks over them. Possible but annoying. But then you still have a bottleneck that can be shelled from 20 km away
>just drop a bomb on them and then scrape
I think you're underestimating how resilient a yard of reinforced concrete is.
The German ones also weren't hollow.
Yeah, you basically require a decent amount of explosives to blow a gap through if you want to get past in a reasonable timeframe.
Heh, there's a reason most of the damn flak towers never got demolished.
Shouldn't they at least interlock them so there aren't just gaps
anon... you are blind
and you're illiterate. they are not interlocked dumbass, they are UNIFORM.
Why are the tops flattened? What does it mean for defense?
>Why are the tops flattened?
Concrete is poured into forms. Naturally the top settles flat as the concrete settles out.
You could make the form you pour into have a more narrow top for a finer point but it would limit your pour speed.
Not just the pour speed. Making them pointy would make it more of a pain in the ass to then remove it from the mould after it sets.
They don't want the tips breaking off, probably easier to pour the concrete into the mold too
Russia really is a cargo cult
The sheer useless of the Ziggfried Line is just stunning. They didn't bother setting the dragon's teeth into a pit to make them harder to remove. In some cases, they didn't even remove the tow hooks. They could have strung barbed wire between them to make it harder for infantry to get past. They could have attached them to anti-personnel and anti-tank mines to make it that much more difficult to remove them.
I get the crappy construction quality. It's Russia, some contractor is going to cut corners to line their pockets, but it's like the soldiers whose lives are at stake couldn't be bothered to put in the slightest bit of effort. The Germans built the entire goddamn Atlantic Wall in 27 months. The Russians have had 16 months and all they've managed is Cope Toblerones and earth-and-log pillboxes.
Barbed wire in general have been pretty rare during this war, I wonder why.
Saw some video last year from the first week where a platoon of conscripts were walking a long a road north of Kyiv, that suddenly had concertina wire alongside it... Then the machine gun opened fire.
But you'd think Bakhmut would be covered in the stuff
No stockpiles of it ready to go, Russians were expecting to need it, Ukraine carried out a lot of Ambushes.
Large frontlines, mean you need shitloads of it, and it might be just as a hindrance to your own guys.
Imagine how many drunk vatBlack folk would've frozen to death after getting caught in barbed wire if it was used more often.
I gotchu famalam.
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a very interesting movie to watch for the perspective it provides on the russian revolution.
they banned it in russia lol.
> soldiers whose lives are at stake
Pretty sure it was constructed by civilian contractors.
putting dragons teeth ina trench would have just given the enemy a place to hide.
>just slap 3 planks of plywood to make a ramp over the cones
>drive tank over it
I don't see the problem
t. Shoigu
I mean weren't their mini-dragon baby teeth already proven to be hollow?
Nevermind the fact they were sunk into the earth.
Hollow no, just some poured shapes of concrete plopped down on top of the soil doubt there is even reinforcement inside. Any vehicle, including a lada could tow them away. They need to be massive and dug down, with a good length of steel rods in the bottom to anchor them even further. But the vatniks have managed to skimp out on the concrete, the steel, the production and the construction work. They have managed to frick up a truly caveman-simple job. So in that regard the cope teeth is an amazing job, truly mind boggling
Funniest part is that they bothered to painted them white to sell the whole spoopy toothy
It's CORRUPTION, pure as simple, just like the rest of the Vatnik barbarian regime. They used the construction contracts to line their own pockets, yet again. Greedy vulture mafiosos cannot compete with a REAL military.
Even Wagner was undone mainly by its own greed and petty struggles for power.
>Even Wagner was undone mainly by its own greed and petty struggles for power.
Just like their Mongol ancestors before them.
>not hollow
Why do people keep underestimating russian corruption, lazyness and stupidity?
in all fairness if you hadn't seen it already it would be pretty hard to believe
it was immediately obvious by how they dont sink into the earth.
This is all I can think of.
That show has soo many good jokes
Everyone seems to be using concrete while Finns used and is still using granite. These are still waiting Russians. Hundreds of miles/kilometers placed next to Russian border.
those aren't dragon's teeth, those are dolmen waiting for their occupants
The stonehenge of defense.
That's actually really aesthetically pleasing.
What does one search for to find more pictures of these?
Google Salpalinja
>Salpalinja
It's insane to see this in person. Though I have no idea how good they would be against todays armor.
Is it just a sheet metal pyramid with a layer of concrete/plaster over it?
how would you even make a mold for a hollow pyramid?
pour/spray paint concrete over cardboard pyramid lol
This is still baffling our top Egyptoligists to this day
Just like a stencil with empty space inside - put a smaller pyramid mold (made of some cheap shit since you're not getting it back) inside the big one using spacers, fill the space between them, when it dries fill the spacers. Or don't, the order never specified that spacer holes must be filled, so frick them.
You make either 4 triangles or 4 triangles and a square then cement them together on a metal frame of some sort. If you're doing it right before you put the last side on you fill it with rebar and concrete. Voila, you now have a dragons tooth that is a b***h to deal with and sure to leave a bunch of debris when you do. Cement it into foundation strips that run the length of your line and you have given some engineers a lot of work. If you leave the tow rings you can string frickloads of wire through them too for an absolutely hellish spiderweb of pain. The teeth being cemented in place and linked by concertina wire significantly reduces the risk of them but being towed out of the way making the removal of tow rings no longer necessary.
The Russians skipped some steps making theirs an absolute joke.
pretty basic mold design
Why would you bother with a pyramid mold when you can literally just make 2-3 inch thick triangle plate molds? Seems like a much bigger pain in the ass than it needs to be if you're working with concrete.
buddy he just asked how a mold like that would work, not for a better solution
For structural integrity. A molded hollow pyramid can still be moved around easily, but triangle plates glued together probably won't survive delivery, let alone installation. You're also doubling the production time because you have to let the triangles cure then the adhesive. EPS (Styrofoam) molds are incredibly common in concrete forming, it's really the easier of the two options.
Not glued, cemented. As in with cement. Why use regular old adhesives? I really don't think when properly assembled it'd be that bad to move and install them. Worst case you ship some stacks of replacement plates which can also potentially be used as obstacles on their own. At least in Russia's case installation is literally just lifting them out of a truck bed setting them there then leaving them to break up in the heating and cooling process while foreigners laugh at how poorly made they are.
If I'm doing dragons teeth they definitely would not be hollow.
You're missing the point, assembling them on site with cement as mortar would defeat the entire ruse. They knew hollow teeth couldn't physically stop a tank. They only had to pretend these were solid as a deterrent, so they had to appear solid during the installation. Specifically for the propaganda video the filmed while laying them out. How do you do that on a Russian budget? Hollow precast teeth. They're essentially movie props.
Most of them should make it fine regardless. You're not assembling the vast majority of them on site and probably not even repairing the damaged ones on the line. Fair bet those things are shipped to yards and warehouses where they can be touched up if needed before being loaded up and moved to deployment zones. Guaranteed because it's Russia regardless of how they did it they broke a bunch because it's probably worse than we think when it comes to the quality.
If it's down to marketing and cheaping out that's simple. "Luckily we have concrete panels that can be used for MANY things! You like dragon's teeth? Try shark fins! Even cheaper because is single panel! Just push into ground and enemy cannot pass*! Work like spikes in parking lot! Just push into ground and win! Four (4) panels for the same cost as a single dragon tooth from our competitors!"
Your company would go bankrupt because you got outcompeted by some guys running styrofoam centered variants.
Turns out corrupt shitholes like saving face more than they like actually spending decent money on things.
not defending russia itself, but hollow dragons teeth still look like a barrier until you hit one. fake outs a legit strategy. what if you hit the one fricking real one? embarrassing. same with tossing empty landmines and throwing one or two real ones. you have to pretend all of them are live
Bullshitting seems to be Russia's primary strategy at this point.
just sayin, dont knock it. bullshit is totally valid. nobody wants to be first to find out its real. if i was russia id keep putting out these awful teeth and fill one up with as many antitanks mines i could find. make my garbage a threat
>at this point
Anon, you're talking about the home of the Potemkin village. People that have an entire word for lying about your military.
R
They've always been bullshit artists. They just used to be half good at it.
What you see now is the sad fumblings of an aged alcoholic con artist trying his old scams even though he's half senile.
>Bullshitting seems to be Russia's primary strategy
The Ghost of Keev called, he says to tell you that literally everything you're hearing and seeing is bullshit.
yes.
you are moronic. they were hollow
>lizard lumps
>gorgon genital warts
Aren't AT mines cheaper?
Dragon Dentures looks better on TV to sell your super defensive line for the audiences.
Plus you get more money for a new dacha since your house on lake como got sanctioned.
Exactly, how are they supposed siphon the funds only from AT mines?
maybe they had spare concrete
Which first line of defense is this?
None. The 1st line of defense is in another castle. Ooooops. I meant village.
the real front line is 2 weeks away
Supposedly, Ukkies should be hitting the "1st line" today or tomorrow at Staromlynivka.
This dragon teeth are just a meme now aren't they
Where they more useful agains tanks with weaker engines?
Dragons teeth when properly made and defended are a huge pain in the ass. Even undefended you have to demo the bastards to go through which can take valuable time. Reinforced concrete is a bastard.
The Russian Toblerone line's dragon's nipples are hollow, not secured, and pretty clearly have nothing stopping them from just being pushed right into sufficiently soft soil and driven over. You could probably clear them with a Hilux pretty easily. The only thing the Russians did right is putting land mines all over the damn place.
>The only thing the Russians did right is putting land mines all over the damn place.
pretty sure that's not even intentional and just them trying to commit as much war crimes as they can an accidentally stumbling into a valid strategy
>Dukes of Hazzard theme music
Seeing the effect of an anti-tank barrier tested by a real tank in an actual warzone on Tik Tok. What a world we live in
>BMP hits Cope Toblerone
>Freeze frame
>Waylon Jennings VO: "I reckon right now them 'Uke boys are awful glad they ain't VDV."
>Shot unfreezes
>The Hetman Skoropadskyi's horn plays a few notes of the Ukrainian national anthem
>The Ukes land their BMP on one track and then tear off in a cloud of dust with Boss Priggy's T-62 chasing after them.
>Cue the "Ukes of 'Herson" opening theme.
Their car should be yellow with the black-and-red Banderite flag on top.
Yep, just like that. Sure they got tossed a bit but I bet the "teeth" they hit were pushed right into the mud and won't be much if a hinderance tot he next guy. Properly done they would have been stopped cold or quickly been bottomed out on the teeth.
If you're piling up soil you still have to move all that and you have to move more than you think. What you move will be loose making it more prone to shifting as it's driven over. That still takes time. If you don't move enough (like in your image) it can shift and still bottom you out. As has been pointed out you're vulnerable that entire time. All it takes is some artillery being in range. Then there's also the risk that there's mines on/in the teeth or in the soil you're trying to move that will go off when you're piling up your earthen bridge or when you try to drive over. Demoing the teeth will also set off any mines within the ones you've blown and has the potential to be much quicker while significantly reducing the risk of shifting soil and setting off any mines safely instead of under your men and vehicles. If you're using metal tracks like a bridgelayer some land mines and other traps are magnetically triggered. Good shot anyone worth a shit has included that sort of thing. The other big risk is that the teeth are tall and/or deep to the point that your average bridgelayer won't be sufficient.
The point of defenses like this are not to be impassable, but to be a pain in the ass to pass slowing you down significantly, reducing the flow of your forces through the line, and making you vulnerable to anything that might be aimed at that general area. The Russians absolutely fricked up on the teeth which is hilarious but didn't screw up anywhere near as badly when it comes to mines. They also were aiming at some of the convenient corridors. If they had made the teeth right they'd be MUCH more useful and Ukie losses would probably be worse.
Another point that you might have forgotten is that a bridge can be blown up, even with arty. If you blow a hole in the teeth, that is a lot harder to fill in again.
Yep. Would have gone on but hit the character limit.
> Even undefended you have to demo the bastards to go through
??
You either do a shit job of it and tanks being heavy vehicles break the bridge, fall between the teeth and get stuck without a heavy crane to lift them out, or you do a proper job which means you have to bring actual bridging vehicles, which can get destroyed and will certainly cost you time, which means the teeth are working.
Ideally, the point of the defenses is to slow you down long enough while you set up some way to bypass them that the defenders can just shoot you. Works better with bigger, heavier, actually buried fortifications, but I'm sure the cope pyramids would be sufficient in some situations.
Anon they are baby dragons teeth. Just give them time to grow in. Possibly in 2 more weeks
Cope Toblerones
Copelerones
keked
>dragon's baby teeth
Pic related is a Swiss made Toblerone line, after 80 years of faithful service.
shouldn't the loops on top be removed once they are placed in position?
Pretty handy to have loops to attach concertina wire to
Any obstacle is only effective when covered by fire. You can easily break through literally any obstacle if it is not covered by fire
No those are the sights.
If the enemy has the ability to bring a crane and remove the toblerones, something has already fricked up big time. Also the normal procedure for clearing this is "drive tank to line, aim gun at toblreone line , press trigger until obsticle dissapears". Removing the attachment points is pointless.
These look significantly bigger for some reason
Is of only optical delusion, comrade.
We still have dragons teeth here in southern England from the invasion preparation of ww2. They're huge
IT'S TOBLERONE TIME
IT HURTS MY HANDS
Sooooo, why aren't the Ukrainians to Crimea yet then ?
Are we focusing on a picture of dragons teeth because we want to ignore the Ukrainian armor and personnel destroyed by the anti tank mines, ATGM's, artillery and the KA-52 helicopters ?
When do the Ukrainians get to the Crimean peninsula if the Russian defenses are so bad ?
Your zoomer mind has been rotted by the need for instant gratification.
Consider going outside and leaving your phone inside, weather is pretty nice.
We can talk bout that when the ruztards post new images and not just repost that singular column that got mulched like almost a week ago.
Christ, we've gone from
>Warsaw in 3 days, Berlin in a week, Paris in a fortnight and London in a month
to
>Well Ukraine isn't in Crimea! Haha! We're winning!
I'll say what Vatniks said at the start of the war
>I'm sorry, is Ukraine winning too slowly for you?
Sooooo, why aren't the Russians to Kiev yet then? If so many ukrainians died at Bakhmut then they have no soldiers left to defend. We’re approaching day 500 of the 3 day operation.
Ukrainians conserve manpower like a nomad in a desert. Vatniks squander it.
Vatniks still think they have a WW2 level of fighting age Soviet men willing to fight. It is a foolish mindset.
The whole /chug/ would be screeching for 0.8 - 1.3 threads if you posted a cope like this in March 2022.
/k/ did? Where?
In his krokodil fueled hallucinations.
I wonder if I can get one shipped to the states as a souvenir after the war
Honestly with a quick wash it would make an okay minimalist garden ornament lol
>paying to ship a giant concrete block overseas
>concrete
It's cardboard, chicken wire, and spray-on concrete.
>PERHAPS ONE OF the least discussed elements of the Russian forces during the full-scale invasion of Ukraine has been its engineers. In contrast to much of the Russian forces, its engineers have performed well. The aforementioned speed with which Russian infantry dig, and the scale at which they improve their fighting positions, is noteworthy and is supplemented by combat engineers. Two engineer companies are assigned to each brigade, one focused on mining and the other on force protection engineering
>Russian force protection engineering has largely followed its doctrine, with little methodological change since the Cold War. Russian defensive positions generally comprise two to three lines, depending on the context. The first line, along the line of contact, comprises the fighting positions made by the infantry. The second constitutes properly made trenches – as compared with fox holes in the first – and concrete firing posts where possible. Several obstacle belts are laid in front of these positions, usually formed with a 4-m-deep and 6-m-wide anti-tank ditch, dragons’ teeth and wire track entanglements. 24 The trench positions are usually structured as company fighting positions in wood blocks and on ridge lines, placed to cover areas of open ground with fire, rather than as contiguously occupied front lines. The depth of the defence line is usually 5 km from the first, and each belt of physical defences tends to span between 700 m and a kilometre, so that the entire obstacle series is covered by fire. The third line usually comprises fall-back fighting positions and concealed areas for reserves, with positions dug for vehicles. Command posts (CPs), meanwhile, tend to be subterranean and fortified with concrete. The overall depth of defensive fortifications exceeds 30 km on some axes.
>the only branch that requires you to be sober is the one actually doing its job
shocking
if the only Russian motivation wasn't to loot, rape and drink, they actually could have taken Ukraine in 3 days
Does anyone else have an urge to build Dragon's Teeth for fun suddenly, lol? It's so painful to see that concept butchered.
Is it one of the famous Putin's redlines?
Russians couldn't find water if they fell into it.
Dragonbreasts.
Pathetic, mournful dragonbreasts. Sad.
For me, it's the toblerone
did you fail kindergarten geometry? toblerone are triangles you turbohomosexual
Don't be mean, Anon, they were just too embarrassed to call the Sexagonals by their proper name.
What's the likely hood that a simple pickup truck with a snowplow could have pushed these aside?
well that car has better engine than russian tank so yes.
This is what happens when you don't brush. It's called tooth decay.
Just a reminder those are empty inside. It's literally just chink-tier concrete shells. People posted pictures of some of them destroyed and they were a few cm thin. I didn't save it unfortunatly
>When your defensive line has scurvy
they're called pidormids
don't show that to Russian taxpayers 🙁
All five of them?
>That was only the First line of defense, wait until they see the second line of defense
>After all, it is normal in Soviet doctrine to have a weak first line of defense but have the second one be stronger to lure attackers into thinking they are attacking a weak point
>The Second line of defense
I remember when some brown cum/chug/ger claimed that the real line of defense had Krokodil's Teeth and the Dills would never reach them.
How illegal would it be to set up dragons teeth with barbed wire on top around my property?
I don't know where you live how are we suppose to know.
I do know that the people next door won't like it as the valvue of their land will go down. (Although it might go up if you are in a self police kind of place)
>LOL k/ tards
Who are these /k tards. What’s /k?
I love how it changed from Kiev in 3 days and Warsaw in 1 week to
>hahaha you aren’t winning fast enough
Saddam bros, we won!
Burgers on suicide watch.
the cuck boxes your masters put your kind in would burn, and no amount of exaggeration will change that
the fact they they are not being sent to ukraine is proof
Except we're giving Ukraine 31 Abrams this year.
Behold, crew survivability!
>Comprehend the incomprehensible, vatnik.
Forgot the video
Live abrams reaction
>Behold, crew survivability!
t. Diogenes
is it possible to make a blowout system for a carousel auto loader?
depends. are survivors a requirement
yes
sounds like a real you problem
That would require a massive redesign of the tank itself. Blowout panel to vent downards and isolating the crew compartment from the carousel itself. The biggest issue is the loose ammo being storred around the turret.
>make tiny turret
>stuff every square inch with spare ammo
>...
You get to watch.
At least it's humane I guess. Then the ammo goes it's probably so quick they don't even have time to feel it.
Why would you not change position? Why would you sit there and let yourself be aimed at?
Many reasons: maybe the commander thought to be concealed, but forgot about all the eyes in the sky. Soviet tanks have abysmal reverse so maybe he thought it wasn't worth losing LoS without being able to go in full cover.
Needs a Goofy yell when he takes off or when he hits the roof.
Literally Looney Tunes.
Blowing out the bottom is much less effective because the explosion is contained by the ground and blowing through the turret is what they want to prevent which is why the most advanced solutions in use are to just add internal armor to the carousel (T-90M) and the mythical one is to just isolate the crew from the gun completely (T-14).
>Gets abandooooned and captured
What did they mean by this
>but muh Autoloader
FOOL, Our Loaders are FASTER than your Autoloaders!
Why chocolate shaped and not gumdrop shaped?
>"western main battle tanks will roll unimpeded through Russian defenses immune to Russian artillery"
Post link/screenshot/number to where it was posted.
Again, somebody in rus made a lot of money selling these to army : )
Where did you get that?
>the shill/shills immediately brigade and deny the last several months
it’s pretty funny really. this board was a wonderful place once. now it’s just awful.
back in the day, if you didnt like it you f40ph'ed it, b***h. what happened, your balls drop off?
They're just larping as oldgays, they're not actually old enough to remember that.
are teeth now part of the crumple zone?
they slowed down. it worked. well? lel. but they did something.
well some friend of a politician who happened to own a concrete factory got a lot of money out of it anyway
No, seriously, what's the source of this image?
GIS returns a twitter of some Italian journo, but he gives no context as to where and when was it happen. I want to know where the defensive line has been penetrated.
If you get a bridge builder vehicle there cant it just put the bridge part on the teeth
They're intended to slow you down, not stop you entirely. Fricking around with a bridge chucker means they've done their job.
More like Black person's teeth, since they keep getting knocked around and are never where they should be