Light and optic are the minimum, both should cost more than the rifle itself. Poorons are the only people who would argue otherwise.
Does your rifle have what it needs?
Light and optic are the minimum, both should cost more than the rifle itself. Poorons are the only people who would argue otherwise.
yeah
Doesnt make your balls immune to .357 magnum
What decade is it? Protac basic b***h lights are plenty good enough, and red dots have not gotten significantly better than the compm3.
How far can you positively id someone at 1x?
depends on the environment. upwards of a mile in a barren environment and clear weather
I'm gonna guess 500 ft, give or take 200 ft depending on vision. There's no way it's even close to a mile, that's 10 times the distance roughly.
source: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/zones/thousand_feet.html
Using your fricking binos, moron.
If you point a gun at me to "PID" you are automatically a threat
What happens after you put the binos down and lift up your gun to see through your scope? oh yea, you'll have to confirm that's the same person you just saw before shooting them, moron.
no you don't.
maybe if they're by themselves in an open area, but if you're engaging targets in a suburb, you kinda want to know if the guy that's behind cover is the same one you saw.
If they're far enough away you have to positively ID them, it is 2000% illegal for you to pull the trigger moron.
>b-but muh epic SHTF fantasies
aren't realistic.
but anon i hunt skinwalkers for sport
Not with an AR you don't. A gun needs to have some medicine on it for that purpose.
How is it not realistic when we know that one of the primary things people do is raid for food and water when things go south? They're not gonna care what's illegal at that point.
4th rule of gun safety, rookie. If you can hear the target, keep shooting, oo-rah. If you can't hear the target, there is no target and you are safe.
Oorah semper fi
Protacs flicker and have bad throw.
Youre probably made at the word 'throw'
I spent 400 dollars on a zbolt. I love throw. Protac is fine. It's good enough for poors.
Arisaka lights are good and don't break the bank. Reminder that when you buy Cloud Defensive or Modlight you're paying for a name to a company that makes apple-tier margins and somehow cost more than the more proven surefire lights.
Bought a rein here in Sweden, for some reason it cost a lot less than a fully equipped surefire.
Could have been on sale now that I think about it. It is bright though.
Protacs work if you don't use the pressure pad. Brokies buy them because they come with a pressure pad. The end. Idiots doing idiot things.
idk anon its a lot easier spending 1200 on a rifle instead of spending 1200 on an optic.i'm sure they work great, but i have no reason to spend that much on something i'll never use to its full potential.
its like buying a sports car and only driving the speed limit
How do you like the Jakl?
i've enjoyed it so far, it shoots really soft once you have the gas dialed in, and no real malfunctions so far. Really easy to clean too.
Wish it had more aftermarket support but its a newer platform so maybe in time some companies will make stuff for it. Only thing I would really change is an ambi-safety and maybe a dedicated JAKL lower that doesn't require that little adapter piece
>its a lot easier spending 1200 on a rifle instead of spending 1200 on an optic
This is the way. Every time I buy a new rifle, I tell myself I'll get a nice optic, upgrade the trigger, etc, and instead I end up buying mags and ammo for it, and then buying the next gun. Iron sights are good enough and a light gives away my position.
imo the only reason to drop a ton of money on an optic is if you want it for night vision, or if you want a nice scope, expensive red dots are a meme for the daytime
Blinding people is actually really effective
Hi Ken hackathorn get off the internet.
Also this is what is called Black person rich, many such cases see for example the plague of opticless scar's.
Brainlet take. It's not like the optic dictates where the bullets go or anything right.
hop, your last thread is still up.
Thread has a gif cut from a video that was posted after the thread went live. Hmmm.
meds immediately, schizo
You're saying it isn't true?
>lust provoking image
>irrelevant, time wasting statement
I don't think I can find a light more expensive than my SCAR 17S
>Light and optic are the minimum
no 🙂
How not?
SLING
It isn't.
Explain yourself tardo
hold rifle in hands
>have to pick up and carry some equipment some distance
>have to tend to somebody who's wounded
>have to scale a fence or barrier
>have to hump it for a while
what do
Figure it out. Not hard.
>Not hard
Even easier with a sling
>you should have a partner
And if you both have slings, it'll make carrying something even easier!
>if you're tending, your rifle is not the priority
Not at the moment, but you'll need it later! Best to keep it on your person so you don't have to leave it behind if you need to evac quickly
>why are you scaling a fence and not just cutting through it? are you black
Not all fences are chain-link
>scaling a barrier higher than your chest is a far bigger pain the ass with your gun dangling off you than not
So use a two-point sling that doesn't let your rifle dangle! What else are you gonna do, leave it behind? Throw it? Both are dumb options!
>if you're rucking and you don't need to be at low ready, it should be on your pack
This is certainly an alternate option, but I've always preferred to have my rifle not attatched to my pack. Plus it's a decent idea to have it slung across your front, so it's still hands-free but easily accessible
Thanks for playing!
>>have to pick up and carry some equipment some distance
you should have a partner
>>have to tend to somebody who's wounded
if you're tending, your rifle is not the priority
>>have to scale a fence or barrier
why are you scaling a fence and not just cutting through it? are you black? scaling a barrier higher than your chest is a far bigger pain the ass with your gun dangling off you than not
>>have to hump it for a while
if you're rucking and you don't need to be at low ready, it should be on your pack
maybe if your gun never leaves the house or the range.
having your weapon stowed on your person is always going to be preferable to putting it down every time you need to do a thing. this is why slings have been issued since as long as firearms have been around.
>put your gun down in sand, mud, dirt, etc
>it gets dirty and fricked up
>tend to some task and all of a sudden you need to de-ass
>now you have to run to pick up your rifle
a weapon is merely a tool of a combatant, and other types of people who use tools (carpenters, plumbers, electricians) also keep their most important tools on their person for this specific reason. a sling is the bare minimum. it doesnt even have to be a good sling.
Sling is a necessity, dipshit
Optic, sling, light - in that order - is the Holy Trinity of AR attachments. Can't hit if you can't aim, can't take it with you if you can't carry it, and can't hit at night if you can't see it.
Speaking of which, I have a good dot and a good sling. What's a good light for $150 or less? Mostly concerned with taking care of raccoons, foxes, and coyotes fricking with the chicken coup at night
protac hlx or hl since there is no reason for anything more unless you want better candela. Assuming you really need a light at all.
Not that anon, but what is the correct option then? I don't want to put a maglite on my gun if I decide to put a light on my gun..
I bought a protac hlx because I fell for the meme, but now I want to know why. Is it for CQB that everyone dreams of? If someone can show me russian or ukrainian forces using weapon lights at all let alone in great numbers I'll listen.
>I don't want to put a maglite on my gun if I decide to put a light on my gun
Why not? they're durable and affordable. I don't see why they don't make maglite mounts
they make generic flashlight mounts. IDK what diameter maglite bodies are but you can probably find one that fits.
Is there a maglite with a button on the back for easy activation? I'm only familiar with their twist to turn on, and stupidly large lights that are impractical. Maglite is the best option then?
Their Mag-Tac 2 appears to have a rear button
Bullshit. It's sling, light, optic.
>Can't hit if you can't aim
Fricking homosexual zoomers should be FORCED to learn how to shoot with irons
Most AR's these days are sold without irons. You'd know if you owned any guns
they’re also sold without optics anon…
No shit. Doesn't change my point
Do zoomers actually not know about the ghost ring?
this
Well, except for a HD rifle I wouldn’t even count the sling as a necessity, just light then optic. But would recommend having a sling on hand if need be.
Clicky cap arisaka w malkoff head for 200 bones. 4 payments interest free so quit your b***hing.
go back to making The Examined Life of Gaming roland
He's so freaking handsome and kissable. I need him.
assfacts, dont you have a pdw video you should be working on?
I'm not him, I'm just Hop's future bf.
You wish. Hop is a twunk top.
Do you think any 6'5" women with square jaws and wide shoulders are out there
Probably at least a few.
You mean She? Hop is a transgirl!
the frick kind of light do you have on your rifle that costs more than the gun itself? mine was like 350
was your gun $349?
Incredible that companies have thoroughly convinced tactical gays that it's perfectly reasonable to fork over $350 for a flashlight that cost about $20 to manufacture and ship.
The 300 dollar flashlights are moron prooof, the 20 dollar one will not survive a solid smack
>The 300 dollar flashlights are moron prooof
Says the anon who's been swindled into believing a durable flashlight needs to cost $300
I felt more swindled when my cheap just as good "I thought they were bright before I knew shit" lights took a shit when I needed them and I looked a fool. You mist not have friends or do cool things like go camping or offloading and shit. Sucks to be you.
if i want it mounted towards the front of my gun i want it to be able to withstand thousands and thousands of rounds worth of muzzle blast
You're completely missing the point I'm trying to make. It's okay man, reading comprehension is hard; have a good one
your point is that it supposedly costs 20 dollars to make and people buy it for more than its worth, I know. What weapon light do you have then? Is it justasgood(TM) as a higher end one, in terms of light output, in terms of ease of mounting, in terms of durability? Does it come with both a tapeswithch with momentary/constant on and an endcap mounted to the body? Some people would rather just buy something that works than cobble together a sub optimal solution, even if it costs a bit more. Its completely fine to have a cheap weapon light, its probably one of the least important accessories on a rifle imo, but there is no reason to whine when other people buy nicer ones than you do.
find me the $20 flashlight with the same performance and QC as the $350 flashlight.
surely if it's so easy some chinese company would have undercut the market by an absurd margin, no?
I have a $300+ Surefire and a Protac I got for around $100. The Protac is about 90% of the Surefire for less than a third of the price. I also have a Fenix I got for like $60 or $70 ages ago that I have dropped God knows how many times, including into a tank of like 1000 gallons of boiling water, and it survived fine.
Where did you happen across a tank of 1000 gallons of boiling water
Your take is as simpleton tier as the ops, the lights aren't that bad but people want adapters and pressure pads and buttons and stupid shit that actually limits the output of many lights. Consoomers gonna consoom.
>optic
>need
>16" midlength/dissy
>freefloat
>adjustable gas block
>4x optic w/ red dot on top
>light
>BUIS
>sling
That's what you need for a gun. Don't skimp on optics but you don't need a $1000 ACOG either. Something from primary arms for around $250ea is gud enuf. Just don't get MOOYUNG TACTICAL 1-10x SNIPER SCOPE XTREME ARMY from amazon.
>surplus chest rig/harness
>really anything to carry some ammo
There you go. All said you should only have to spend around $1500 for gun with accessories, gear, and ammo to have something ready to go that works great.
Why in sam hell would you put back up irons on a gun that already has two optics?
>dissy
>That's what you need for a gun
Why would you recommend getting the absolute least reliable kind of AR
Do not use my likeness on this website without permission, thanks.
Hop, I've got some questions for you.
>how old are you?
>how tall are you?
>are you married or in a relationship?
I am annoyed by how attractive and successful you are.
He's my bf
I'm not going to pay an extra couple hundred on a light or optic that is for all intents and purposes around the same as a cheaper option. Price tag isn't what's important, quality and functionality are. Yeah you probably shouldn't be buying airsoft stuff, but you don't need to break the bank on the most expensive things you can find either.
HAMR review when
she did that already
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9:17
you fricking monkey
Those lips... i need them
Based. And he can’t talk me out of wanting an LCO/D-EVO. (Obviously it’s his strategy to buy them all).
Everytime this thread is made with a Hop picture, you know it was made by a flaming homosexual. Sage in all fields.
im waiting for the news report of him killing someone someday
>both should cost more than the rifle itself
No commonplace WML costs thousands of dollars, unless you’re implying I should be putting Cloud Defense lights on an ATI.
You’re also not convincing me that my LARPing ass needs an optic built to the same abuse standards as professional door kickers. There’s no such thing as “just as good” but there is “good enough.”
>door kickers
magnification?
Where did this "light is a must" meme even come from? It's a great way to show an enemy where to shoot, sure, but why would you need that?
I've never seen a single gun with a flashlight attached while I was serving in Ukraine. Is this because Americans treat their guns like toys and love to add as many accessories as possible without even thinking about usability in real-life scenarios?
>Is this because Americans treat their guns like toys and love to add as many accessories as possible without even thinking about usability in real-life scenarios?
Burger here, I feel like it's a bit of consumerism and a bit of emulating the armed professions (mil/LE) without much thought. It's not like it's a problem to have a light on your rifle since you can always decide whether or not to use it, but to say someone will be killed in the streets if they don't have one is silly. That being said, obviously OP is being inflammatory to get a rise out of us
>why would you need that?
I assume you're from Europe. You'll find that this word "need" is a major sore spot for us Americans. Sometimes we get really defensive when the concept of "need" is brought up since it's often part of questions (often bad-faith questions) posed by the anti-gun element here. I wish it weren't like that, since I feel like it gets in the way of thinking critically about what's the mission and what's suitable equipment for it.
Thanks for the meaningful answer anon. Originally I'm from Europe, yes. But I lived half of my life in the US and own many guns that are still stored there since I left America to join the war in Ukraine.
I used the word "need" only because OP stated that having a light on your gun "is a minimum", and he's not the only one I noticed to share such an opinion. I can argue that the optic is definitely a great addition in a war scenario, but the only application of a flashlight on a rifle I can think of is to try and blind someone if you somehow plan to surprise them. Very risky plan though, as if you're doing such a spec ops mission, it's better to use night vision or thermals and stay hidden and keep the enemy confused as long as you can.
Do you go to Odessa often?
Rarely. Why?
Just wondering if you have any restaurant /activity reccomendations. I'll be heading there in like a week.
Install Tinder and get a local guide in exchange for food and drinks. That'd be more fun than any suggestions I can give you.
Btw, Odessa is still under regular attacks for the air, just in case you're worried about it.
>Install Tinder and get a local guide in exchange for food and drinks.
Already have one. This will be my fourth time going, last time was like August. I'm not worried about air attacks. I just like seeing if people have reccomendations of places I didn't know about before.
Then I don't think I can really help you with this one my man. Try to enjoy it off-season, it can be cold and gloomy compared to August.
Good luck on your trip!
Thanks man!
Brit here. My understanding of the US Constitution is that it may as well be ordained by God. That the rights contained within are inalienable and so the very concept of maintaining a right to bare arms is for the very specific reason of preventing a rogue government from subjecting citizens to tyranny and evil.
I've heard Biden and other gun grabbers say "you don't need an AR-15" and in some respects you don't. An M1A1 will put down a malicious actor just the same as an AR-15. There's a bit of cope from both sides actually because the purpose of the rifle is to kill the enemy, even if the enemy is from within. So when pro gunners start talking about using their AR-15 for hunting they're kind of dancing to the let's tune in that they are trying to justify owning a rifle.
The purpose of owning a rifle is to kill the enemy. Whether that's a home intruder or a government agent. As laid out in the Constitution it is your RIGHT to do so. No other excuses are necessary. That's why if you pay attention to the left they have started along the lines of "well the Constitution was written by men and the rights within can be chopped and changed because mih government". They are saying that your rights are not natural, not God given, they're at the whim of the government and can be removed as they see fit. That's why you have a rifle, to shoot these frickers.
>the US Constitution may as well be ordained by God
Flowery 18th century language isn’t meant to be taken literally and treating a political document written by a bunch of Freemasons as the word of god is sacrilege in pretty much any religion.
>sacrilege
who tf cares. the rights are inalienable, be it the will of a god or ethics or whatever.
>but muh boogaloo
not required
It is so you can see in the dark, moron. If I have to grab a rifle it is for home defense and I don't want to blast a relative because I was too cheap to buy a flashlight. Because I'm not E*ropean I'm not poor, so the cost of a flashlight is nothing to me.
If you actually plan to defend your home, you better turn on the lights and spook the perp, than become a bright target for a guy with a gun lurking in the shadows.
>they will just shoot at the le light!
Turn on a 1000 lumen light and look at it head on please.
Sure, if you already know where exactly the perp is and can aim at him faster than he does. Which is a big IF that can cost you a life my friend
>Sure, if you already know where exactly the perp is and can aim at him faster than he does
You know where your doors are and you're responding to noise the intruder is making. These are not big ifs. Especially when the purpose of the light isn't for navigation, it's to light up the person you're already aiming at to make sure they're someone you're okay with putting in the dirt and not a dumbass relative of some kind.
>not putting down dumb ass relatives who enters my house through office window unaccounced, not going to main door, knocking and greeting, not turning on lights and answering me
Have you ever been in pitch dark and had someone flash you with a bright as frick LED light? It can be literally stunning and you will very likely see spots for a long time after it's off. Your natural night vision also now absolutely useless in the dark for quite a while. A lot of these things come with warnings to never look directly at the light period because damage can be long term or even permanent. We're not talking about cheap camp flashlights from the 90s. Pretty much anyone is going to be completely surprised and instinctively immediately try to shield their eyes at bare minimum. A light with a strobe setting (which many weapon lights have) at that brightness can even make you experience vertigo and all the fun stuff that comes with it too.
Just turning on the house lights lets the intruder see you without the obscuring light blob or a notable stunning effects. It's much easier to quickly adjust to. You also very likely have to take a hand off your weapon. A weapon light coming on and being aggressively yelled at is a WAY more effective way to spook and disorient someone. There's a reason cops do it.
Again, vast majority of people are going to be deer in the headlights when that weapon light turns on. As another anon said, it's not for navigation. What it's for is PID and blinding the threat. Anyone who is able to react and shoot you the way you seem to think is not only possible, but even likely, was probably going to kill you regardless... then the director will yell "CUT".
You should know your home well enough to navigate it without turning on the lights and without making a bunch of noise. You should also be able to figure out where an intruder likely is by sound they make unless your house is fricking massive, in which case your private security should be gleefully stomping the intruder's guts out while you sleep. If you don't practice clearing your house in both light and dark you are doing home defense wrong.
>I've never seen a single gun with a flashlight attached while I was serving in Ukraine
The needs of a civilian acting in self defense are not the same as a soldier. moron.
I read this as
>Is your rifle special needs
And immediately thought of all the moronic setups I've seen.
>Light... should cost more than the rifle itself.
who is selling 1000+ dollar lights?
I am. You want one?
What the FRICK is Hop's problem?
What do you mean?
Where did the rest of his eye brows go?
>muh light
>muh optic
you will never shoot anyone. no an heroing doesnt count as shooting someone.
Ohh hohoho he fell for the instragrammers lies lmoa. A good rifle costs what 1500? A good optic is what, $5-600 for a used acog? A surefire or arasaka is like 200, why do you losers keep repeating "your optic should cost more!!!". Explain it, immediately explain why the optic should cost more than the rifle.
moronic nonsense that gets repeated by homosexuals who follow social media clout chasers who think they are reading some meta information that the normalgays don't know. You will NEVER be in combat in any form. You WILL obsess over arguing about the latest slop product. You are a loser.
Post practiscore.
Outside of some moron with a complete POS jamomatic rifle that failed to function: Can you provide a single example where someone did or did not survive due to their choice of optic or light?
I'm sure there are a lot of instances of people sticking a regular flashlight on their gat using some ebay clamp mount and it failing when they tried to use it
T. Me
>Light and optic are the minimum
Why would I have a fricking torch on my long range or target rifles or moronic red dots on any my iron sight milsurp and who the frick are you moron?
>torch
Why do non Americans post in threads? Weapons are for citizens, not serfs.
We do it in order to spite you, specifically.
>all these morons running around with slings on 100% of the time
Enjoy your snags and fumbling I guess
it's actually so I can tie you up and have my way with you
Never seen this braindead take before; good job anon!
There's a time and a place for a sling, when that isn't the case it's an active impediment. Keep larping tho it's cute
The time& place not requiring a sling is a flat stagnant range with a bench and a lane. You're exposing yourself again anon
You're moronic
Excellent argument
A sling is a convenience, not a necessity.
>moving goalposts
It's okay i expected this. I've always hunted in thick brush and always had a sling on my rifle. Never had an issue with snagging.
Please explain to me, oh wise larptard, when a sling is an active impedIment
Not the same anon
You've never left the basement, fatty.
slings have been used on rifles for hundreds of years without issue.
please have a nice day, preferably with a sling around your neck.
>slings have been used on rifles for hundreds of years without issue
This means they are absolutely necessary how?
>absolutely necessary
nobody said that. they are a very useful piece of kit that is so useful that its always been used.
i think you're just a fart-huffing contrarian thats convinced yourself you're way way way smarter than you actually are.
I think they are nice, I just think your moronic for calling them more important than an optic.
that is one shitty opinion you've got there, try to clean it up a bit.
>I can't use my rifle effectively without strapping it to my obese body
Uh huh
why would I need a sling for HD?
Why not? They're cheap and don't get in the way.
If I try to pull your weapon off your body while it’s slung around you Imma have a bad time, especially if I accidentally pull the muzzle towards me
Not to mention there are any number of circumstances you may need one or two free hands. Malfunction, transition, opening a door, doing a quick peak, bleeding control, bailing out of a room or building, tripping, restraining someone (more for LE types, but you could be helping a scared family member to safety).
I used to be a PSDgay, and the rule was if it isn’t attached to you, when you’re ambushed, it’s gone. Whether bailing out of a vehicle or the kinetics of a crash, you can’t take for granted being able to grab, hold onto, pick up; etc. None of this is crazy 1 in a million scenarios.
now that's true horror anon.
No
Canadians aren't people
Hope has a penis
Turned into a cute puffy clit!
She never had srs though. It's still a penis irl.
I don't consider skin taken from your thigh, rolled into a tube, and then attached to your crotch a penis
She's mtf not ftm.
Kys troony
So speaking of lights, I just got a Streamlight HLX. I like it so far, gonna go out shooting with it this weekend. Curious though, online I read the default programming mode let's me switch to low with three button clicks but mine doesn't. I can only activate strobe. When I change modes I can use low just fine but I can't in the default programming mode.
Can anyone confirm that their HLX is the same?
what's her name?
Hope
>light should cost more than the rifle
Oh boy babies first dip into the Dunning kreuger curve
I dont need an assault rifle thats for the military and police. My 12g will suffice
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I have an M16 clone with uhh... spray paint camo, picatinny carry handle and a bayonet... Oh and a canvas canteen strap.
>Carry handle clone
That's like calling a poptart a clone of the McRib
If it's a s'more poptart I couldn't care less
No but it has a bayonet
I’m glad opie from almost famous decided to embrace his second amendment