In 500 years it's questionable if we'll still be using metallic cartridges, or ballistic projectile weapons in general. But for Halo's universe it makes sense. You want maximum velocity and stopping power in as compact a package as possible for dealing with superior xeno armor & shields. Also
is correct. the MA5B is top-tier, 60 rounds of real frickin nato at 900 RPM.
343 has no sense for the halo aesthetic even when they try to emulate it.
You should see their own version of the smg. They took out all the character of the original design and just made it a space p90
The Halo aesthetic was neither consistent nor sensible. The weapons would have been seen as fricktarded even in the 70s. The AR is inexplicably bulky to no purpose like that underslung flashlight in a world where chest lights exist. Halo CE was supposed to be a standalone with its own original weapons then we have Halo 2 go IRL guns well beyond the pistol resembling some real life guns.
>underslung flashlight
Modern ultra bright LED flashlights have basically no volume required. They could be mounted as a 2 millimeter thick ring at the muzzle. The battery could be anywhere and thin wires ran to the LED.
In 500 years it's questionable if we'll still be using metallic cartridges, or ballistic projectile weapons in general. But for Halo's universe it makes sense. You want maximum velocity and stopping power in as compact a package as possible for dealing with superior xeno armor & shields. Also
is correct. the MA5B is top-tier, 60 rounds of real frickin nato at 900 RPM.
The writers explained that in the year 2200, humanity invented a glass of water that killed all your enemies when you drank it. They decided this wasn't fun and stuck with traditional ballistic weapons.
lol I remember that from the Halo 3 extra disc
anyway the reason they use bullpups in halo is because it's better for center of gravity in low-gravity or even zero-g environments.
I made that up just now but it sounds good.
>superior xeno armor & shields.
In early Halo(Reach - Halo 2) the M7 and BR55 are the only UNSC guns I can think of off the top of my head that were actually designed to be used against Covies. Everything else was meant to be used against Innies or near peer enemies. Hell, even the Spartan II's were initially designed to fight insurrectionists.
When armor is king, you need all the velocity you can get, which means maximizing barrel length.
Also, the DMR makes no sense, it should be chambered in 50BMG to line up with it's size, in game damage and role on the battlefield.
https://i.imgur.com/snzRuZi.png
In 500 years it's questionable if we'll still be using metallic cartridges, or ballistic projectile weapons in general. But for Halo's universe it makes sense. You want maximum velocity and stopping power in as compact a package as possible for dealing with superior xeno armor & shields. Also
is correct. the MA5B is top-tier, 60 rounds of real frickin nato at 900 RPM.
In universe the AR was always supposed to be the "not good enough humanity is outmatched" gun. In the books the UNSC even has soft armor that stops .308 AP cold.
If they wanted to bring it back they should have explained it with old weapon caches, innies using surplus, or had it rechambered into a stronger cartridge. They could have at least said "It's AP design has been upgraded" or something.
>MA5B >good
Only thing the ar excelled at in CE was clearing waves of Flood infection pods. You could feather the trigger on it and be accurate enough to pop combat forms' infection pods. But it's still better to use a M6D or M90 to pop the pod and destroy the body in half the time it takes the rifle. MA5C on the otherhand is a very good assault rifle.
>Does it make sense for a mass shift to bullpups in 500 years?
it makes about as much sense as the hyper-advanced alien race using guns with a muzzle velocity of ~50 feet per second
In the lore the plasma weapons simply melt through everything it gets shot at which offsets the disadvantage of low velocity. Plus there are also long ranges weapons like the carbine and beam rifle
covenant were moronic. All their plasma tech was based on shitty replication of old forerunner designs and they refused to ever do much upgrading.
It's brought up a lot in the books and extended lore that the Covenant's really dogshit at innovating upon known technology. In fact they barely understand most of it beyond the basics of how to make it, and get it working. The actual theory behind their own technology is elementary at best. I think it's First Strike, where a bunch of humans and cortana take over a covenant ship and after interfacing with it for like a day Cortana realizes the covenants super scary ship scale plasma weapons are barely operating at half their maximum possible output. It's mentioned later that if humans could have captured even one decent sized covenant ship intact near the start of the war, they could reverse engineer it and field superior vessels in about a decade maybe sooner.
It is partially covered in game as well. The Huragok were the only species within the Covenant that could fully understand and intergrate with their systems, and even then it was on a maintenance basis. It fits with the predominate narrative as a whole. The Covenant appropriate a long lost civilization they hardley know about so the technology will naturally be just as alien. It is like a lot of post apocalyptic stories where the orignal engineers or mechanics for infrastructure have died off so the current of people treat machines as sacred and utilise them while not fully understanding their function.
They could do okay with the Needler. That was a Covenant homebrew from the ground up. Their problem is they're 40k Admech levels of screaming tech heresy. That Covenant ship was the equivalent of being set to factory normals because they're too obsessed with the product to toggle basic settings any common sense user would.
It is partially covered in game as well. The Huragok were the only species within the Covenant that could fully understand and intergrate with their systems, and even then it was on a maintenance basis. It fits with the predominate narrative as a whole. The Covenant appropriate a long lost civilization they hardley know about so the technology will naturally be just as alien. It is like a lot of post apocalyptic stories where the orignal engineers or mechanics for infrastructure have died off so the current of people treat machines as sacred and utilise them while not fully understanding their function.
They could do okay with the Needler. That was a Covenant homebrew from the ground up. Their problem is they're 40k Admech levels of screaming tech heresy. That Covenant ship was the equivalent of being set to factory normals because they're too obsessed with the product to toggle basic settings any common sense user would.
Begone Travisstroons, A single Sangheili working in a private laboratory designed a top of the line suit of powered armor for humans despite never having seen a human before, and having nothing besides videos and pictures of human powered suits to work off of, not even blueprints. Said design was competitive with last generation Mjollnir armor.
There is LITERALLY an entire province on the Sangheili homeworld the primary export of which is Sangheili weapon and armor engineers, where all the greatest Sangheili autists tinker with plasma batteries and exploding crystals all day long.
NTA but 343s canon is by in large bad fan fiction, Bungie canon is leagues better despite there not being a lot of it, also Eric Nylund writes Halo as good as Joseph Staten
3 months ago
Anonymous
Elites being intelligent and having their own engineers has been in every era of the lore. Some writers want them to be ignorant cavemen, and some want them to be advanced, and the two factions have been retconning each other's writing back and forth from the very beginning.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Smartest race in the Covenant other than engineers sure but humans are smarter given how the covenant had to use Forerunner ruins to get their tech whereas humanity developed everything on their own granted having their ancestors blood memories as The Flood and Ghosts of Onyx implied might have helped but still
It is partially covered in game as well. The Huragok were the only species within the Covenant that could fully understand and intergrate with their systems, and even then it was on a maintenance basis. It fits with the predominate narrative as a whole. The Covenant appropriate a long lost civilization they hardley know about so the technology will naturally be just as alien. It is like a lot of post apocalyptic stories where the orignal engineers or mechanics for infrastructure have died off so the current of people treat machines as sacred and utilise them while not fully understanding their function.
, in fact I said it was in game lore. My point here
>that spacing
...and which game did this lore made its debut in anon?
was that your lore was additional side content for one of if not the most shitty instalments, lore and gameplay wise, for the entire series.
Your armor is shit and ugly as frick kek
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I never said that homie in fact I said it was in game lore.
I didn't say you admitted it, I said it WAS books only, which it is, you illiterate homosexual.
>There is LITERALLY an entire province on the Sangheili homeworld the primary export of which is Sangheili weapon and armor engineers, where all the greatest Sangheili autists tinker with plasma batteries and exploding crystals all day long.
Nice try Split-lip, only humans have the capacity to develop and understand new technology
>covenant were moronic
Yeah, that was clearly stated when the UNSC discovered that they can't innovate at all. All their tech is copied Forerunner tech.
Just because you like it better, which shows you have no taste.
while the early books weren't considered primary canon (always games > books) they did strictly adhere to the Halo Story Bible which bungie made and provided as a compilation of things that are canon, but that just don't naturally fit into the game
which means that the information they provide about how covenant were morons when it comes to technology is canonical since it's historical/background lore and not book specific events
There are just as many if not more writers who contradicted the "dumb elites" writers going all the way back to the beginning.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yes but fall of reach, the first halo novel, the book that necessiated the creation of the story bible in the first place (first major non-studio project) and the book that had by far the most bungie oversight and it unequivocally states covenant are just poor imitators
you don't seem AT ALL familiar with the topic so why are you arguing here about it all?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ahhhhh so when it's a book you approve of then we can use the books, my how CONVEEEEEEEEENIENT
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know you're probably just baiting at this point but fall of reach was under such scrutiny by bungie the book was almost scrapped because they didn't agree with what it said
it was the one book where they for certain had absolute control of the contents
3 months ago
Anonymous
People throw massive hissy fits about reach contradicting the fall of reach's Canon even though Nylander wasn't talking to the rest of bungie when he threw in stuff like humanity still depending on centrifugal force for their ships and nobody seeing elites until the battle of reach, i.e. shit that was instantly contradicted by halo ce
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't give a shit how much scrutiny the book was under.
You gays came charging in insisting that nothing written mattered, that only the games mattered, that everything you thought about elites was in the games, only to squirm and resort to a book when pinned down.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The stuff you're saying isn't backed up by what's in the games, or even common sense. The Covenant have no AI because that's something they outlawed. As such their ability to innovate and adapt is laughable compared to humanity. Cortana can crack their battle net encryption with ease, for instance.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The stuff you're saying isn't backed up by what's in the games
Halo 1 has *zero* elite characters, Halo 2 and 3 show them as reasonable, intelligent people who were already strongly questioning the validity of the war despite centuries of propaganda that they were raised inside.
>or even common sense.
It's your cartoon cardboard cutout villains that make no sense.
>The Covenant have no AI because that's something they outlawed.
Having certain technologies restricted or stymied by the central government does not actually speak to the Elites' specific technical abilities in any way.
>As such their ability to innovate and adapt is laughable compared to humanity.
Or their ability to innovate and adapt is being constantly held back by the prophets.
>Cortana can crack their battle net encryption with ease, for instance.
And the UNSC is laughably, woefully behind the covenant in both electrical and material sciences.
Everywhere in the trilogy, the retrograde influence of the prophets is felt holding the elites BACK, so it made perfect sense when writers correctly pointed out that without that anchor pulling them down, they would soar ahead.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Halo 1 has *zero* elite characters
This. Part of why 2 is my favorite is how much it introduced. The Prophets, Great Journey, etc. If you only played CE, the aliens are generic idiots who get sidelined in favor of Flood whom they broke out of containment. If we go by the instructions manual, they have some religious reason to wipe out humanity but nothing else elaborated. The Covenant in CE are hollow and might as well be replaced with killer robots, given their lack of personality.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lack of personality >CE Covenant
How does someone life with such profound mental moronation?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Halo 1 has *zero* elite characters
It has several, and they all have strong personalities. Like the gold elite that stands behind the force field, and that first stealth elite that chuckles.
>Elites are cool and stuff
They're basically medieval knights that were given technology.
>Covenant have better tech
They're aping stuff from the forerunners. The elites could never recreate the tech for AI.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but when were these given any indication from the game? And for personality, we basically have little more than a goomba laughing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Who cares? Halo 1 wasn't about the intricacies of the Covenant.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they have personality >but they don't because game was not about them
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They do >Sorry it wasn't a full novel's worth of character building for every elite you see.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they have >but it's nothing >muh novel >but it's literally nothing when even reach's cast has more
3 months ago
Anonymous
They have less than a sentence.
"Waaah muh lack of hyperbolically deep intrigue."
Halo 1 was focused on Chief, Cortana and 343. Deal with it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>literal nothing >but this is huge characters
Stay away from Call of Duty. Those characters must be like 5D chess to you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
CoD is just action movie drivel, with the exception of Black Ops 1 and 2. Modern Warfare 3 went full moron with its campaign that resurrected characters who died on screen.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Which is why they're better characterized than much of Halo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, deeper than CE elites.
3 months ago
Anonymous
CE Elites oozed character. Their presence had a commanding affect on other covenant members, and you saw that they had spec ops guys trying to deal with the flood.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How? They behave like anything else
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lack of personality >CE Covenant
How does someone life with such profound mental moronation?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>A faction can't have character unless it has litteral characters! >Everyone who disagrees with me is baiting
My estimation of your IQ is getting lower by every post.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They have less than a sentence.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So to be clear you cant actually respond to a single thing that I said? Great, frick off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Too be clear, you never actually said anything.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I made several points backed up by the games, and you just pretended I didn't and said "nuh uh, the games said it somewhere, I dunno where but I'm sure it was in duh games"
like a fricking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You made up several points, you mean.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hey it's fine if you cant argue against any of it it's ok.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I did, lol. You didn't make any points. Elites are just medieval knights that discovered technology. They don't know how their stuff works, unlike how every human soldier understands the workings of their weapons.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>already strongly questioning the validity of the war despite centuries of propaganda that they were raised inside.
The Elites actually started to respect humans too. Their questioning of the Covenant was born out of humanity's battle prowess and the Hierarchs' flat out refusal to even offer them a place within the Covenant.
while the early books weren't considered primary canon (always games > books) they did strictly adhere to the Halo Story Bible which bungie made and provided as a compilation of things that are canon, but that just don't naturally fit into the game
which means that the information they provide about how covenant were morons when it comes to technology is canonical since it's historical/background lore and not book specific events
>Storage and usage on board spaceships where space is at a premium. If you have a chance to make the weapon smaller you take it.
What's wrong with collapsible or folding stocks? if that's the problem, we already have many solutions.
Assuming it's a full length barrel you must have. But if it's storage, foldable weapons occupy less space and only need like a second to unfold. Most can be fired like that too.
The DMR is a WMD in a package? It kills everything from a thousand miles away. Two of them can destroy a Banshee in seconds. One of them can pop a Scorpion or Wraith hood and kill the driver, let alone anything with an uncovered driver. There are power weapons less powerful.
Aesthetically, I like the DMR better, but the BR almost certainly has better ballistics. The realest answer is the SRS99 that'd be stashed on my mongoose
You know I wish we got more of the downsized mjolnir armor like ODST's and Dare had since both of their helmets are derived from mjolnir produced designs. See how those integrations were being done near the end of the war as it became more possible to produce stand alone variants of helmets and other parts of armor. I suppose it would make sense though for only glowies and special forces to get these toys.
The irony is if the halo universe was not so over the top with literal super soldiers, ODST would be as fricking glowie as you can possibly get. These are special forces trained for fricking orbital re-entry and killing everyone within their vicinity.
It's funny since that's directly what they are mentioned to do and still do after the war, nothing like dropping in guys from orbit onto rebel camps with no way to retaliate.
those are all ugly and fricking atrociously stupid, clearly made by someone that doesn't understand how guns work. are those fricking bluetooth magazines? how does the bullet get into the chamber?
those look like destiny concept art, irc destiny weapons are either energy weapons or kinetics that use programmable matter called glimmer to create their projectiles so in a way they are bluetooth mags
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I reufsed to play Reach out of pure contrarianism when it came out, H3 being the one I played the most with friends and CE my absolute favorite for the campaign. But frick me, I went and got the MCC and decided to play Reach and it was fantastic. Different, but it very much was the last good entry in the series.
Reach is unironically my favorite Halo. Mechanically it's near perfect. Armor powers were superior to 3's equipment. Hit/hurt boxes are some of the most accurate I've ever seen in a video game. You can literally give a player a Loony Tunes style bullet outline without hurting them. Most of the guns felt the best with appropriately "punchy" sound fx. Vehicles felt the best too and the Falcon is my favorite aerial vehicle in the series. And Kat's perfectly round booty. FRICK I LOVE HALO REACH
>Mechanically it's near perfect. Armor powers were superior to 3's equipment. Hit/hurt boxes are some of the most accurate I've ever seen in a video game.
I too enjoy lying for the sake of trolling but isn't this too much? Nobody would fall for these lies. Not the least the Halo players who abandoned the franchise and went on to play Call of Duty games that aren't made by Bungie.
Truly that was an odd era for Bungie but very invocative of the future. Much like how their modern day selves tried saying making Marathon into an extraction shooter was "passion" rather than chasing trends, they tried their had at Call of Duty games. The good news is that even Halo's playerbase is smart enough to reject their failed attempts.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Reach was the best Halo in terms of gameplay. There's a case to be made for Infinite's campaign gameplay, though. It practically gets DOOM like towards the end.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Reach was the best Halo in terms of gameplay.
Who has taught you these lies?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Myself. I mean in Halo 4 you can hide behind a corner and enemies will forget you exist. In Reach they will throw grenades and pressure you if your shield is down.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Some because of Bungie was facing down a fan rebellion who insisted they didn't understand Halo during Reach's time.
What the frick is this english? You aren't making any sense whatsoever.
Bait or mental moronation
3 months ago
Anonymous
How can someone come up with such lies?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>DMR/Needle Rifle cross-map laserbeams because "hurr durr muh comp players say it's better when only one weapon is relevant!!1!11" >BTB being hide from the DMR because vehicles would die to them >maps reused from campaign and so open that infinite range is too strong
Some because of Bungie was facing down a fan rebellion who insisted they didn't understand Halo during Reach's time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Some because of Bungie was facing down a fan rebellion who insisted they didn't understand Halo during Reach's time.
What the frick is this english? You aren't making any sense whatsoever.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Which is kind of funny to think about when you look at Bungie's actions in the previous 2.5 games, they clearly weren't fans of the precision weapon meta and tried to break it, but they didn't seem to be able to figure out how. The BR (and the noob combo) got whacked with a massive nerf going from 2 to 3, and in ODST they straight up deleted the BR from the game and replaced it with a pistol that was extremely good at chain-killing unshielded enemies but extremely bad at breaking through shields. (There's also a video at some game dev conference where someone from Bungie is giving a talk about ODST and when he says they removed the BR there's actually a cheer from the audience.)
The changes to precision weapons in Reach were fairly radical but definitely in line with how the Bungie wanted the game to be, they just weren't executed very well with the random bloom being the worst offender. Personally I would have simply made it a single-shot BR clone that takes five shots minimum to kill instead of four and maybe increased the rate of fire ever so slightly instead of trying the random spread, but I can understand why they would want to try and find an alternative balancing method after years of people being used the the four shot precision kill.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'd add that it's not just bloom but vehicle health calculations making the DMR far too good at destroying them. A big part of Halo modes made irrelevant.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'd add that it's not just bloom but vehicle health calculations making the DMR far too good at destroying them. A big part of Halo modes made irrelevant.
Nobody gives a shit about the multiplayer. All those modes are dead now, while the campaigns are eternal and thus what the games should be ranked on.
Reach had the best enemy AI. The elites were exceptionally smart. They dodged grenades, chased you around corners, and used their own grenades. They'd roundhouse kick you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>. They dodged grenades, chased you around corners, and used their own grenades.
Typical halo game stuff? This is everyday Halo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Elites dodged grenades even in ce.
Not in Halo 4. The enemy AI in Halo 4 sucked shit and could be defeated by using lamp posts for cover.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>muh 4
So low a standard. How about actual Halo games unlike that and Reach?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Elite AI yes. Online Ai vs AI battles show Promethians are surprisingly smart. One video over a decade ago showed a 2vs2 with H4 Elites had them split up, then one teleports to the other just to dogpile Elites in a 2vs1 one at a time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Did anyone actually enjoy fighting Prometheans? I found them to be annoying bullet sponges.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>likes Reach >calls something else bullet sponge
3 months ago
Anonymous
The DMR wrecks everything in Reach, and you can noob combo to make it stronger.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the OP abomination that destroys everything can destroy enemies who survive an energy sword slash >the weapon that makes everything else obsolete can >noob combo that works in any halo
Yes, a nuclear weapon exploding right beside can destroy the best tanks of today.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Too easy. Even on Legendary
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Promethians
Just assassinate bro
3 months ago
Anonymous
For me and my hate? It's prothean knights >pop their shield >they teleport away
3 months ago
Anonymous
I remember I got stuck on a checkpoint in Halo 4 because I had no ammo left on any non-promethean weapons and the knights kept regenerating. Looking back I probably could have just ran through the level.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they teleport away
That was one of the easiest things to deal with. They telegraphed where they pop up. Plant a grenade or just wait for them to show up at that spot and assassinate. .
3 months ago
Anonymous
You could not pay me to come up with worse enemy design. >bullet sponges that eat up half of your already small ammo reserve >no reaction to being shot at, even when shields are down >shields give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields >hard to tell when shields are down >head silhouette is hard to distinguish from the rest of the body due to its gray monotone color scheme >getting headshots for the 1 hit kill is a convoluted mechanic that's not well telegraphed to the player >the fricking annoying watchers that always accompany them can quickly revive them, doubling your ammo consumption
I don't know how 343 managed to do it
3 months ago
Anonymous
sponges that eat up half of your already small ammo reserve >>no reaction to being shot at, even when shields are down
give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields >>hard to tell when shields are down
Did the breaking effect and roar not give enough?
3 months ago
Anonymous
ok, and then he teleports away and now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
That is, if he hasn't regenerated his shields yet, which is also stupidly fast considering how strong they are
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's some sense in what Truth, Regret, and Mercy did upon finding out. They knew that the knowledge of living Forerunners would break the Covenant and cause their entire civilization to collapse. They had to lie, and get into positions of power to maintain the lie.
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There wasn't originally any manner of "being chosen" by anyone. Covenant "theology" is unlike anything else I've really seen, except for maybe Scientology or something.
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It's not so simple. Let me explain what the Covenant believe: >there was an ancient and powerful race called the Forerunners >the Forerunners saw how shit the universe was, you succumb to death and entropy means it's all doomed anyways >Forerunners build Halo Array >Halo basically raptures them to a higher plane of existence where there is no entropy or death and they live on as powerful godlike beings forever >the Covenant want to do what they did and become gods too
The problem is that if there are living Forerunners, then that's all hogwash. They were supposed to have ascended to become gods, they can't still be here.
Further, the 3 Hierarchs we know and love knew that the Covenant religion was a lie, as told to them before they gained power by Mendicant Bias, who was on the Dreadnought (Cortana is referring to him in Halo 2 when she mentions that the "Covenant AI" is extremely formidable). They gained control over the Covenant solely to ensure the lie remained hidden and the Covenant's civilization wouldn't collapse. To that end, it meant destroying the evidence.
These walls of text offend me. They display terrible understanding of Halo and its gameplay.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one
You don't have eyes?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
You can. There's an effect. >strong they are
The scattershot or even the base AR is pretty effective at taking down their shield. A human weapon can down their shields fast.
https://i.imgur.com/QramAhB.png
The Needler is my homeboy. It destroys all my enemies. A single magazine will down any Elite, Promethean Knight, or Brute on Legendary. Except if skulls are on. And some games I may need a melee at the end.
is correct that a full needler magazine is a guarantee kill on every promethean even on full health. Just supercombine twice. They'll flinch long enough that even close range ones will die in the time it takes for the second.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Shotgun and Scattershot are good weapons against the Prometheans. Even on Legendary, only 3-4 shots are needed to kill them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Shotgun and Scattershot are good weapons against the Prometheans. Even on Legendary, only 3-4 shots are needed to kill them.
Adding to these, I'm
When I went through the MCC, I tried my best to use weapons I usually don't use or give every weapon a try. It's for the same reason as those younger people, for variety. I found that the 343 games tend to have better automatics. I did things I would've never done before like traded away a full DMR or BR for an AR. Precision weapons still had headshot ability but even on Legendary I used automatics besides the occasional Plasma Pistol or Needler way more.
Yeah, I also remember Halo forums. Players today would be shocked if they read what people wrote a decade ago. Opinions on games, balancing, etc. And yeah, Mint would be one of the people not to complain. He's really, really good and part of why I trust his opinions on gameplay. He's not some shitter who doesn't know what he's doing, he's a highly skilled opinion. So many complainers for many game complain because of their own skill issue. Not him.
and 4's non-precision weapons surprised me when I first played through. They were much better than I remembered in Reach, 3, even earlier. When playing 4 PvE, I highly recommend not doing the usual Halo precision weapon tunnel vision. It's safer taking enemies out from a distance but spraying them up close is much faster most of the time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's safer taking enemies out from a distance but spraying them up close is much faster most of the time.
This. Even the fugly Storm Rifle is closer to the Brute Plasma Rifle than the Plasma Rifle. They both overheat faster but deplete shields sooner. BPR via more per-shot damage, SR via highr rate of fire. But this is a good thing because as long as it doesn't overheat before the enemy's shields are gone, it depletes the shields faster and you swap to another weapon. It serves the plasma weapon shield buster role.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
Do we count the purple mist?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You mean that faint blue smoke that's mostly hidden behind their body? That you're supposed to be able to tell from a distance in the heat of combat apart from all the other visual clutter and glow? That's supposed to be just as good as
https://i.imgur.com/YDNVvAB.jpg
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Give me a minute to download h4 so I can show you what a bullshit argument that is
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3 months ago
Anonymous
It's way better. Purple vs orange. Some early elites have the same armor color and blue doesn't show well on blue.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I saw it easily.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's way better. Purple vs orange. Some early elites have the same armor color and blue doesn't show well on blue.
That looks more blue and that's good. Complementary colors.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That pic vaguely reminds me of Metroid Prime. Halo wishes any of it's campaigns were as good as Metroid Prime.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bluish mist shows up in many games including metroid prime
3 months ago
Anonymous
>after dumping half your ammo into something that barely shows any reaction to being shot at, it will show its skull IF AND ONLY IF it is not in the middle of any animation whatsoever (basically never)
Why dump half a magazine? Elites die faster than Reach's >lol I survived rocket
and Prometheans flicker when hit and pop when shields are gone like any other enemy. And [...] shows they have an easily visible complementary color mist too after.
>using Halo 5 as an example
Now that's just not fair. You know as well as I do that no one played 5.
3 months ago
Anonymous
give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields >>hard to tell when shields are down
Wut
3 months ago
Anonymous
You realize that shield break effect only last for a split second right?
When you shoot someone in a bungie halo their entire silhouette lights up like a christmas tree. When you shoot a knight in halo 4 a tiny part of their shields shimmer at the point of impact, and that can be easily obscured by the abundance of visual clutter in that game. Visually it's like shooting a brick wall, there's so little indication as to whether or not you're actually doing damage and how close their shields are to popping. It's fricking horrible visual design, you can even see it in the halo 1 remaster too.
https://i.imgur.com/1Mzx2E2.jpg
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Once a Knight's shields are depleted, its helmet will open, exposing its face. Shooting the face with a precision weapon will kill it instantly. How do you not notice a flaming skull?
You can't headshot a knight until you shoot off its helmet too, and you can't shoot off its helmet until you take off its shields. It only shows the skull for a brief second right after taking out its shields, otherwise it puts the helmet back on. Though I don't blame you for not knowing this, because again the mechanics are horribly telegraphed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Just say you fricking suck man holy shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
Look, moron. There's almost no visual change between a knight with his shields up and one with its shields down after that initial shield breaking effect. It's not my fault you play on easy and nothing matters because they all die in a single magdump.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see it. Try closer and you can too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can see a difference and it's far away. Also, why's the video letting themselves be exposed? On Halo 2, a Jackal would snipe him. In 3 or Reach he's vulnerable too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You can't headshot a knight until you shoot off its helmet too, and you can't shoot off its helmet until you take off its shields.
The faceplate automatically comes off once shields are busted. These aren't Reach Grunts or Brutes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is categorically false and I don't know why I'm trying to argue this point to morons who clearly don't know what they're talking about
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's right. It took me longer to redownload the game than capture this. https://files.catbox.moe/hq26l7.mp4
You can see the face opening.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the face glows slightly more orange in addition to his entire body, which also glows orange
Very convincing. Meanwhile,
https://i.imgur.com/TzunbPM.jpg
flicker
very slight
blink and you'll miss it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Blind man needs another clip
3 months ago
Anonymous
[...] >this backpedddling
moron
I see lightning effects. That's damage.
I swear god you morons could convince yourselves that water is dry
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I swear god you morons could convince yourselves that water is dry
just sucks
3 months ago
Anonymous
Let me rephrase that
Thank you for proving my point that the skull animation exists only for a split second instead of staying off as I said in
https://i.imgur.com/vqHMVfD.png
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I swear god you morons could convince yourselves that water is dry
, and is not at all a reliable visual indicator of shields popping
3 months ago
Anonymous
nta but other prometheans have been shown with faces off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>that the skull animation exists only for a split second instead of staying off
Nice try. Play the game more. There's types where it stays longer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, after you shoot the helmet plate off moron
Maybe you should play the game yourself and show me that animation I'm supposedly missing
3 months ago
Anonymous
>after shooting
Stop. They die if you do that. Halo works via headshot instant kills for most shielded enemies. This isn't a Grunt with a mask. This isn't a Brute.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
That was a very humiliating miss.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and russia is winning right?
3 months ago
Anonymous
They're killing their own minorities with conscription. Zelensky and Putin are good friends behind the scenes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>halogay cares about that shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
The new hip thing is Israel. You should be saying >Yeah and hamas is winning right?
3 months ago
Anonymous
But I'm not into apartheid.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shut up and give your tax dollars away.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hhorribly telegraphed
It's the same as an Elite roaring in any other game. >clutter
Their bodies disappear unlike other Promethean enemies. There's less clutter the better you do. >shoot off helmet
What game you talking?
That's a load of skill issue
3 months ago
Anonymous
They leave sickly green splatters/pools
[...]
Their blood is fluorescent sherbet orange. It's been incredibly obvious when you deal damage to hunters since the first game. >all biological enemies bleed....
Did you morons even comprehend my post?
>this backpedddling
moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see lightning effects. That's damage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's visible enough for gameplay.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You realize that shield break effect only last for a split second right?
Welcome to Halo?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Top is a halo 3 brute shielded vs. unshielded.
Bottom is a halo 4 promethean shielded vs. unshielded. Can you tell which is which?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>choosing the enemy that strips >and a far shot
3 months ago
Anonymous
Trick question. Brutes can armor lock as right. They're always armored.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Flaming skull. What is so hard about bullet to flaming skull?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, so I dropped their shields. Where's that skull you were talking about?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Like I expected. You posted a mid air.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he actually doesn't know most halos dont
[...]
They do.
[...] >in air
>two feet on the ground = in the air
That wasn't the original condition you proposed either btw.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>animation plays >but jt was canceled because of another extraneous action
3 months ago
Anonymous
>"actually you can tell when their shields drop, you just have to look for the skull!" >"actually you can't actually see the skull if he's doing any sort of animation whatsoever!"
This is why you can't argue with 343 apologists. Enjoy your shitty halo knockoffs
3 months ago
Anonymous
>skull shows as animation >animation is canceled >343gays >implying basic understanding is
3 months ago
Anonymous
How to tell if you broke someone's shields in halo 1 - reach: >shields flare up in a very obvious color across the entire body and gets stronger until it pops
How to tell if you broke a knight's shields in halo 4: >after dumping half your ammo into something that barely shows any reaction to being shot at, it will show its skull IF AND ONLY IF it is not in the middle of any animation whatsoever (basically never)
Yeah great design, you convinced me
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How to tell if you broke someone's shields in halo 1 - reach: >slight flicker >4 >incapable of admitting you're shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
flicker
very slight
blink and you'll miss it
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but on co-op I've missed it many times.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Skill issue
3 months ago
Anonymous
>after dumping half your ammo into something that barely shows any reaction to being shot at, it will show its skull IF AND ONLY IF it is not in the middle of any animation whatsoever (basically never)
Why dump half a magazine? Elites die faster than Reach's >lol I survived rocket
and Prometheans flicker when hit and pop when shields are gone like any other enemy. And
https://i.imgur.com/1xRX7co.jpg
>because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
Do we count the purple mist?
shows they have an easily visible complementary color mist too after.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>blind anon thinks barely any reaction
Holy shit. I knew the Halo fanbase were rejects who have too much sunken cost fallacy to move onto CoD like most of 3's players but this is way too much.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>knew the Halo fanbase were rejects who have too much sunken cost fallacy to move onto CoD like most of 3's players but this is way too much
The post 3 players you mean
3 months ago
Anonymous
>actually you can't actually see the skull if he's doing any sort of animation whatsoever!"
That's how things are for many games. Scripts and animations. You do things, an animation triggers. People have done skips and glitches that one way or another made a script not play in more games than I can count.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Elites cancel out of animations when floating too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The teleport charge; Easily readable and heck something on legendary imo you should try to encourage to close the distance safely. Instant kill melee is something I hear a lot for both halo reach and halo 4 but unless I've just been lucky in my many many hours replaying these games on legendary, the majority of the time it's only an instant kill if you have take any shield damage prior to the engagement. I do think this one might be enemy rank dependant I might be speaking from the darkness there. One last thing to mention is in the vast majority of engagements in halo 4 will have viable weapons somewhere, normally hidden away or just off the main path, available to make the encounter a cake walk.
4's lower total ammo count is functionally forcing you to use scavenged weapons more which in 4 just means you're forced to use weapons that work better on them. even the suppressor can down shields quickly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
ok, and then he teleports away and now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
That is, if he hasn't regenerated his shields yet, which is also stupidly fast considering how strong they are
Once a Knight's shields are depleted, its helmet will open, exposing its face. Shooting the face with a precision weapon will kill it instantly. How do you not notice a flaming skull?
3 months ago
Anonymous
By being a moron is how you don't notice
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the fricking annoying watchers that always accompany them can quickly revive them, doubling your ammo consumption
I saved this from /hg/. /k/'s filesize limit is smaller so I'm going to use catbox.
Someone on Legendary can one-shot a Watcher with a charged Boltshot. https://files.catbox.moe/8cferi.webm
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not a matter of difficulty. It's just not fun to fight them. What makes matters worse is there's not a lot of variation in Halo4 encounters.
3 months ago
Anonymous
True, it's not fun when they're too easy. H4 lacks a Legendary. Its Legendary is a Heroic. The problem is the playerbase has been morons for years.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Stay way from Flood. Some 3 Flood are way worse.
3 months ago
Anonymous
At least combat flood have a consistent headshot hitbox you can hit. Pure tank forms are one shot by energy swords. Range forms can be picked off by plasma rifles The stalkers are generally harmless. Yes they are very annoying and a bad design but nowhere near knights
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, they're way fricking worse. >Flood pure forms are boring as frick. Stalker just runs around, ranged is annoying and hits way farther than most, and tank slllowwwwllllyyy pushes you. SLOWLLYYYY
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see lots of people in Warzone Firefight attacking Knights with headshots, or spraying away with an AR, so I guess this isn't common knowledge or apparent to beginners, but there's a more effective way to fight them and take them down in a few seconds.
On their back carapace/hood thing immediately behind the shoulders, there are two brightly glowing jets. A handful of shots with a precision weapon like a BR or DMR to that spot will cause that half of the carapace to violently explode. Do that on the other side too, then when the Knight has no carapace, you can kill him with a single shot to the gut.
It's not that hard of a target to hit because Knights don't move around a lot, and if you shoot from a distance, they'll basically stand there and take it.
>nobody gives a shit about multiplayer in halo
(You)
3 months ago
Anonymous
Then it deserves dead last. The one saving grace about Reach is Forge. Now we have no Forge. Damage sponge elites surviving rockets, tech demo shit clearly meant to test for Dedtiny features, etc
3 months ago
Anonymous
That would mean Halo CE is backtracking the same levels, 2 is incomplete and Legendary straight up untested and 3 being 2's leftovers with some levels being two-parters and ruining the story, Wars being an RTS, and ODST being an empty city with maybe some jazz and substories about survivors.
Lol moron, Reach has the worse campaign interms of sandbox and its affects are still feeled to this day. >pick up dmr/needle rifle >stay far behind out of aggro range >shoot the 30 grunts and jackals, finish off the remaining 10 Elitles/brutes with noob combo >repeat until vehicle part of the mission
Bungie went full moron and forgot firefights were designed around one to three squads of covies.
The changing menus were cool tho
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is the part people don't seem to get about reach. The enemies are so bullet spongey in that game that everything becomes centralized around the precision weapons. At least in previous halos the grunts were weak enough to the point that even bad weapons were still viable against them, plus you had dual wielding to shake things up.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ran a reach legendary run a few years ago. Tried avoiding precision weapons. Didn't work. Fricking singular grunts can eat more than half an AR magazine. Singular grunts. At point blank and because they have no headshot effect there's no way to make it stronger any time. On legendary most non precision weapons are water guns.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That’s only true on legendary
Besides if we’re talking legendary Halo 2 had all those flaws and more
I’m a Reach fan (NTA too) but I can see it’s flaws and it should’ve been a one of for that stuff
3 months ago
Anonymous
Moreover, the whole system sucked. >Halo Reach movement
No thanks. Sprint ruined Halo. >Reach pacing
No thanks. The armor abilities and quirky movement messed up the pacing. It's supposed to be faster due to more movement options but just ends up feeling slower/tedious. >Reach gunplay
Maybe...It might be okay once all the armor abilities and sprint have been removed. The bloom sucks, but apparently it's always been a part of Halo anyway so I guess I'd be open to seeing how it plays. I just wish they weren't so obnoxious about it in this game. >Reach responsiveness
Absolutely not. It's the most sluggish-feeling Halo. Halo 3 was sluggish, but it was a slower game that wasn't built around sprint. Going in and out of sprint in Reach, having to deal with getting 'stunned' every time you fell from a high elevation...no thanks. They built sluggishness into this game.
Bonus negative points for nerfing the base jump height, invisible snipers everywhere in BTB/Heavies, Jetpacks (talk about slow and unresponsive (to use) while also being a pain to fight against), fall damage, and most importantly removing dual-wielding. It's like Bungie started to hate fun all of a sudden. There's so many anti-fun mechanics in this game while fun things were removed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Firefight is an accurate summary of the campaign. Just phoned in firefighter matches. Bungie really were sick and tired of the franchise.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>while the campaigns are eternal
Try playing a Bungie campaign on Legendary without relying enterally on the handful of precision weapons and the plasma pistol. 343 have made a lot of mistakes but their weapon sandbox is infinitely better than basically every Bungie game except CE.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but I tried that with 3 for a few levels. It was honestly rather pleasant. I went through Crow's Nest and a few others while ignoring Battle Rifles for Assault Rifles. It was a much greater challenge I will fully admit but Halo without the precision weapon can be a fun experience.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The changes to precision weapons in Reach were fairly radical but definitely in line with how the Bungie wanted the game to be
I doubt this. The Halo 2 BR was comparable to the DMR in ability but the maps included tons of close range places where getting DMRed from across the map is less of an everyday occurrence.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It’s funny seeing this in a modern light, all modern halo fans shit the bed the few times 343 tried to change the BR domination of the sandbox. Everyone with any sense could see it kinda ruined the whole ecosystem. 343 tried to give the AR, SMG, and something else more accuracy and precision damage and losers like HiddenXperia and others freaked out. I remember seething on the halo waypoint forums back in the day trying to tell all these eco chamber morons that using the BR or magnum isn’t “difficult.” Younger people I’ve talked to who have played MCC and past titles all talk about how they liked the game but were sick of using the same gun over and over. I think it’s hurt the franchise’s ability to gain fans, amongst all the other things that have gone wrong. Ironically the only guy who doesn’t freak out over these balancing changes is MintBlitz, who’s coincidentally the best player in the world or near it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
When I went through the MCC, I tried my best to use weapons I usually don't use or give every weapon a try. It's for the same reason as those younger people, for variety. I found that the 343 games tend to have better automatics. I did things I would've never done before like traded away a full DMR or BR for an AR. Precision weapons still had headshot ability but even on Legendary I used automatics besides the occasional Plasma Pistol or Needler way more.
Yeah, I also remember Halo forums. Players today would be shocked if they read what people wrote a decade ago. Opinions on games, balancing, etc. And yeah, Mint would be one of the people not to complain. He's really, really good and part of why I trust his opinions on gameplay. He's not some shitter who doesn't know what he's doing, he's a highly skilled opinion. So many complainers for many game complain because of their own skill issue. Not him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I agree, for all of its issues Halo 4’s gunplay was very good balance and variety wise. Didn’t like the Light Rifle or suppressor but they genuinely didn’t do a bad job on that part of 4. It’s so funny watching so many mediocrities onions face while mint couldn’t care less.
>Armor powers were superior to 3's equipment.
Armor lock
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he wasn't an armor lock chad
Get filtered you filthy noob. Armor lock was the easiest one to counter. You literally didn't have to do anything.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but it wasn't dealing with it, it was just a mindless delay. At most strategic, you press a button to instantly split the opponent's attention between a new target or the guy who can come out from under his rock at any time. Or you do it do destroy an incoming Ghost. The vast majority of the time it's done as nothing more than a death delay in a game whose TTK is already much larger. During those times, it's practically like another player sitting on the same couch pauses the game for a few seconds.
Reach was sovl as frick bro. The whole game. I know it was gay and plotholey hut piloting the spaceship blew my fricking mind
I reufsed to play Reach out of pure contrarianism when it came out, H3 being the one I played the most with friends and CE my absolute favorite for the campaign. But frick me, I went and got the MCC and decided to play Reach and it was fantastic. Different, but it very much was the last good entry in the series.
Shame we never got another ODST game, I loved all the different minor armor varients they were able to give the squad, get to see more of those special forces without limitations of them just being NPCs.
Halo 3 ODSTs, and I can honestly say I think their aesthetic is just overall superior rather than just old thing good, number company bad.
Halo is the one series from my childhood I've refused to let go. Star Wars and Star Trek, Gears of War and Fallout, I've let them be buried. But Halo, I keep holding out hope.
>Halo 3 ODSTs, and I can honestly say I think their aesthetic is just overall superior rather than just old thing good, number company bad.
Well in this case both versions are bungie in a way as the left one is just the Halo 2 design but made with modern tech.
Lol, lmao even. Still don't know why they had to add in the white outline for the visor in H2A.
[...]
[...]
Begone Travisstroons, A single Sangheili working in a private laboratory designed a top of the line suit of powered armor for humans despite never having seen a human before, and having nothing besides videos and pictures of human powered suits to work off of, not even blueprints. Said design was competitive with last generation Mjollnir armor.
There is LITERALLY an entire province on the Sangheili homeworld the primary export of which is Sangheili weapon and armor engineers, where all the greatest Sangheili autists tinker with plasma batteries and exploding crystals all day long.
>dinos couldn't even grow food and had to use brute and grunts workers.
I was in denial for a long time but I finally accepted this too
Halo 3 ODSTs, and I can honestly say I think their aesthetic is just overall superior rather than just old thing good, number company bad.
Halo is the one series from my childhood I've refused to let go. Star Wars and Star Trek, Gears of War and Fallout, I've let them be buried. But Halo, I keep holding out hope.
Till 343 gets fired there is no hope, but even then Microsoft would probably just think at that point that Halo has served its purpose and just pull the plug
how has everyone in 343 not lost their jobs yet?
Nepotism, sunk cost, Halo fans not acting like Battlefield fans (which I am a fan of both) when we get screwed over by 343 and the fact that Halo is no longer number one for Xbox because they own Activision now
https://i.imgur.com/K0wjAIQ.png
>there’s still some microscopic chance that maybe they won’t spectacularly frick up
As much as I want to believe that this is possible, we all know that this is unfortunately cope. The environments in which Halo CE and 2 were designed were lightning in the bottle scenarios. Smaller development teams with limited scope. CE was a success because of what it pioneered as standard form in shooters along with being a launch title. 2 shot it out of the park because instead of having unfocused development on wether to fully commit to a single player fps experience it instead hammered out the kinks of CE and expanded the universe storytelling along with popularising multiplayer on console. 3 succeeded due to the new hardware capabilities that the 360 provided, but was a far smaller game compared to 2 and mostly succeeded on: >"its next gen halo, what is not to love!"
That is not to say it was over rated, it is one if my favorites, but that is the naked truth of why Halo 3 worked. It had a reputation and capitalised on it with new tools and resources. ODST, despite how people reflect back onto it now, is mostly cult status. Motherfrickers bought that for the map packs while the campaign was an after thought with folks. Halo Wars was a mediocre RTS saved by an intriguing story and with the universe of Halo to bump up cred. Then there is reach. While reach is one of my all time favorite games it is a heavily polarised mess. They polished as much as they could mechanically so they tried to instead keep up with the current standard with modern shooters with mixed results. They had perfected the story so they instead regressed to book lore which they fumbled with. Bungie knew that there was not much they could do with the IP anymore, that is why the team moved on. It is why 343 are a bunch of frick ups.
Despite viewing Halo Reach as good as 3 it really should’ve stuck to FoRs canon like Bungie was going to do but Frank O’Connor was involved in the writing to some extent and he and the rest of 343 absolutely despise Eric Nylund
>tfw Halo is dead forever
should have stayed dead after Reach. >Rookie never died in that novel >Chief and Cortana are still drifting in space, rescued eventually. 343 never retcons rampancy as "AI schizophrenia" (which Cortana logically shouldn't even suffer from in the first place)
Halo is still one of Microsofts bigwigs, even if they’ve done absolutely everything they possibly could to ruin it. That said the main shithead in charge over there, Bonnie Ross, got canned a few months back so there’s still some microscopic chance that maybe they won’t spectacularly frick up whatever they will be doing next. That said they will still absolutely never compare to prime Bungie who were pulling 20 hour days 6 days a week for the first two titles with a fraction of the resources 343 has.
>there’s still some microscopic chance that maybe they won’t spectacularly frick up
As much as I want to believe that this is possible, we all know that this is unfortunately cope. The environments in which Halo CE and 2 were designed were lightning in the bottle scenarios. Smaller development teams with limited scope. CE was a success because of what it pioneered as standard form in shooters along with being a launch title. 2 shot it out of the park because instead of having unfocused development on wether to fully commit to a single player fps experience it instead hammered out the kinks of CE and expanded the universe storytelling along with popularising multiplayer on console. 3 succeeded due to the new hardware capabilities that the 360 provided, but was a far smaller game compared to 2 and mostly succeeded on: >"its next gen halo, what is not to love!"
That is not to say it was over rated, it is one if my favorites, but that is the naked truth of why Halo 3 worked. It had a reputation and capitalised on it with new tools and resources. ODST, despite how people reflect back onto it now, is mostly cult status. Motherfrickers bought that for the map packs while the campaign was an after thought with folks. Halo Wars was a mediocre RTS saved by an intriguing story and with the universe of Halo to bump up cred. Then there is reach. While reach is one of my all time favorite games it is a heavily polarised mess. They polished as much as they could mechanically so they tried to instead keep up with the current standard with modern shooters with mixed results. They had perfected the story so they instead regressed to book lore which they fumbled with. Bungie knew that there was not much they could do with the IP anymore, that is why the team moved on. It is why 343 are a bunch of frick ups.
Most have, 343 is basically a revolving door. It's actually why infinite had such a mess of development, because they made a new engine in house and by the time it was finished none of the devs working there had actually had a hand in making the engine and thus had no idea how to use it. As to the higher ups well, executives tend to fail upwards.
What do you think Destiny is? Spoiler: it's Sci Fa Halo. If you need that Bungie FPS itch scratched just download the basic b***h version of Destiny 2. It's free. >tfw been using the Sunshot revolver since vanilla >tfw clearing entire squads with 2 shots and its passive's chain reaction
>pretending Destiny plays anything like Halo
Frick off. We want a standard single player campaign, basic movement options, no gay ass powers, a fun multiplayer slayer maps, and fun weapon sets.
Destiny's moronic MMO style, numbers cluttering the screen, looking down the rails gameplay is nothing like halo.
Many have. The big question is why all of Bungie wasn't shut down after 3. I know greed but they wanted to stop at CE and only did up to 3 because of contracts and unable to get everything in 2. Nohting afterwards had any passion and was phoned-in tech demos for Destiny. Might as well let them do a new IP like they all wanted.
i don't get cosplay anons, like you're gonna go through all that effort to 3d print some shit and then *not* sand it enough so you can't see the printlines? Like it just seems super cheap and shitty, like women who buy a onesie and that's their cosplay. Am i autistic /k/ ?
Guys GUYS!!! Hear me out! What if... We take child soldiers, give them drugs, enhancement surgeries and power armor? We can start with all those orphaned war children from Gaza.
realistically if we are still using fricking hand guns in 500 years I will be very disappointed, my bet just seeing the Ukraine conflict is that the gun becomes obsolete and we all start using personal self guided munitions on each other as weapons, maybe something like the knife drones from culture, what use is a gun when swarms of self guided exploding munitions can take out any infantry
Depends on how they function outside atmosphere. I agree with the power of personal self-guided munitions but not obsolescence of firearms. Police, self defense, there's many who'd stick to guns.
How is it less practical? Have we fixed the triggers? The triggers are generally not as good as a traditional rifle because you need to transfer the motion of the trigger pull from the middle of the rifle all the way to the rear, where the cartridge is. To my knowledge, we still haven't made any with super good triggers.
as a dude who actually was issued an m16 and uses his other "assualt rifles" regularly, i do like having all of the controls and operations in front of my face so i can do things like clear a jam or inspect the chamber without having to pull the entire weapon away and look at it like a confused fricker trying to change a babys diaper
Bullpup has the one advantage of longer barrel for a given weapon length. If that's needed then sure. Otherwise it doesn't matter. A traditional firearm has the chamber and ejection port forward of the operator's face. A bullpup has the danger of catastrophic explosion next to the operator's neck.
What makes obvious sense is for Reach to have classic Halo gameplay and ODST to be the experimental CoD shooter experience in a Halo setting. What we actually got was two games that both both haphazardly mixed classic Halo gameplay with random CoD bullshit. The legacy of not forcing both development teams to stick to their respective and clearly distinct fricking briefs is the absolute shitful mess of a Halo franchise we have now. I won't speculate on the reasons that they fricked it so hard, except to say that I think you can see the guilty fingerprints on it as early as Halo 3, maybe even some management stuff in Halo 2.
Halo Reach was such a let down >Reach is hyped up to be military stronghold of humanity >Only 20 Orbital MAC stations compared to Earths 300 >Covie ground forces land planetside in some desert >Instead of nuking the entire area, UNSC launches full scale ground assault with warthogs and tanks >Covenant Supercarrier reveals itself in said area >Again, instead of nuking the hell out it (Nukes are conveniently on the opposite side of the planet, apparently ICBM's don't exist in the 26th century) or at least just spamming with bombs, artillery, missles, anti air fire, etc, retreat on your own military stronghold planet. >Have to jury rig a slipspace engine to take it out instead of overwhelming it with planet that theoretically should have a homefleet that outnumbers it 15 to 1 >Original Canon had Reach fall in 24hrs but the game retcons it to 1 month which doesn't make any sense
is hyped up to be military stronghold of humanity
Then fricking ONI ordered the fleet away. I haven't read anything more moronic in a Bungie game. One of their most important planets undefeated because some glowy space CIA buttholes thought it was fun.
Frank O’Connor was involved in the writing so it’s pretty clear what went wrong given how the trailers were more in line with the book and the fact he can’t write anything correctly to save his life
Was he the one ruining 3? 343i might have shat the bed even worse from 4 onward, but if you actually believe Halo 3 was anything short of a MGSV tier disappointment as a continuation to Halo 2's story, you're either blind or severely impaired.
>Arbiter relegated to being an extra with maybe 3 lines of dialog through the whole thing. >Prophet of Truth, the cunning mastermind slowly planning his shit through the whole of H2 while deleting the other prophets in the process, is now a mindless fanatic who actually believes in 'The Great Journey' which he didn't give a rat's ass about in H2 besides being a stepping stone into getting more power. >Cortana's been in the clutches of the Gravemind for weeks ! She's definitely getting compromised, and won't ever be the same again ! Also, she's totally going rampant, guys. Actually never mind, she's fine, just a bit sad. Let's go back to the usual business. Glad to have you back, Ma'am. >Gravemind, this huge entity that's lived through centuries amassing both power and knowledge which is literally omnipotent in its current state and could end you on a whim just ... gives up and die. While crying about it like a b***h. >Guys let's trust 343 GS even though he's proved countless times to be a murderous whacko without an ounce of a conscience, I'm sure nothing bad will happen ! >Miranda and Johnson romance out of nowhere.
Staten had no part in H3's script, and it fricking shows. To anybody who made the mistake a getting hyped after H2 it was a severe cold shower. H3 might have been an improvement over 2 regarding everything else, but man did the story shit the bed.
>Arbiter relegated to being an extra with maybe 3 lines of dialog through the whole thing.
He had a decent amount of dialogue, it's just that Chief never interacts with him. He literally says only a single word to Arbiter throughout Halo 3's campaign. As for not having an independent campaign, probably little point. They were working together now rather than being on literal different sides of the Human-Covenant war like before. Also, it's not well remembered, but a lot of people gave Bungie shit for the Arbiter's inclusion in Halo 2 at all back in the day. I don't agree, but that may have been why they tried to avoid that. >Prophet of Truth, the cunning mastermind slowly planning his shit through the whole of H2 while deleting the other prophets in the process, is now a mindless fanatic who actually believes in 'The Great Journey' which he didn't give a rat's ass about in H2 besides being a stepping stone into getting more power.
He actually would've been safe from the Array on the Ark. He might've planned on wiping everything out and then ruling the aftermath as if he were a living god anyway. Or he could've just been going insane and trying to justify humanity's existence as them being "left behind" Forerunners. >Cortana
It was kinda up in the air as to what was going on with her. >Gravemind, this huge entity that's lived through centuries amassing both power and knowledge which is literally omnipotent in its current state
I don't think it was quite there yet. I'm actually more stumped as to how it got to the Ark in the first place. Truth took the Dreadnought, which was High Charity's power source, or at least it's main source. How did it jump to slipspace? >Guys let's trust 343 GS even though he's proved countless times to be a murderous whacko without an ounce of a conscience
They did this in Halo 2 >Miranda and Johnson romance
I never got that impression. Figured Johnson felt it was his duty to protect the daughter of his late Captain.
GS was going to work with the Humans and elites in Halo 2s cut third act, his hurry to activate the rings in CE was mostly him being confused and probably him believing that the rest of the out break was on a far larger scale and likely that the rest of humanity had already been evacuated to Shield Worlds
>Arbiter relegated to being an extra with maybe 3 lines of dialog through the whole thing.
He had a decent amount of dialogue, it's just that Chief never interacts with him. He literally says only a single word to Arbiter throughout Halo 3's campaign. As for not having an independent campaign, probably little point. They were working together now rather than being on literal different sides of the Human-Covenant war like before. Also, it's not well remembered, but a lot of people gave Bungie shit for the Arbiter's inclusion in Halo 2 at all back in the day. I don't agree, but that may have been why they tried to avoid that. >Prophet of Truth, the cunning mastermind slowly planning his shit through the whole of H2 while deleting the other prophets in the process, is now a mindless fanatic who actually believes in 'The Great Journey' which he didn't give a rat's ass about in H2 besides being a stepping stone into getting more power.
He actually would've been safe from the Array on the Ark. He might've planned on wiping everything out and then ruling the aftermath as if he were a living god anyway. Or he could've just been going insane and trying to justify humanity's existence as them being "left behind" Forerunners. >Cortana
It was kinda up in the air as to what was going on with her. >Gravemind, this huge entity that's lived through centuries amassing both power and knowledge which is literally omnipotent in its current state
I don't think it was quite there yet. I'm actually more stumped as to how it got to the Ark in the first place. Truth took the Dreadnought, which was High Charity's power source, or at least it's main source. How did it jump to slipspace? >Guys let's trust 343 GS even though he's proved countless times to be a murderous whacko without an ounce of a conscience
They did this in Halo 2 >Miranda and Johnson romance
I never got that impression. Figured Johnson felt it was his duty to protect the daughter of his late Captain.
The plot point of halo 3 that always pissed me off even at release was how the frick did the Gravemind get to the ark?
High charity was left without the forerunner dreadnought as a power source and shouldn't be able to function much less travel through slipspace. Even if we ignore that then how did the Gravemind manage to travel through the portal on Earth without just shitting flood all over the planet? That little flood ship Cortana's message was on brought enough spores for the Elites to glass Africa so how the frick did High Charity get threre? It could use standard slipspace since the ark is way outside the Galaxy!
Maybe there was backup generators on High Charity because the Prophets knew that the Ark portal needed the Keyship to activate, the way I see it it was so fast that it didn’t want to risk the rings firing plus after Shipmaster glassed Africa it was probably barren enough so that any Flood that were there could be taken out quickly and presuming that the other Covenant ships present in Sol were dealt with the Home Fleet could’ve positioned ships for that purpose like only 2 of the 7 Frigates present in The Storm’s final cutscene went to the Ark
The only explanation I found on the wiki said that it made a slipspace jump near Mars, THEN realized everything about the Ark from the consumed knowledge of Regret and Mercy, and then somehow directly jumped to the Ark from there rather than attacking Earth like he was going to. But that also claims he was using 343's precursor space magic to do this, so I suspect this is a later attempt at explaining it.
Honestly it might've been a bolder choice to just let the Gravemind take out Earth and then fire the rings and repopulate the galaxy with the survivors at the Ark. I don't think that would've gone over well in 2007 though.
The only explanation I found on the wiki said that it made a slipspace jump near Mars, THEN realized everything about the Ark from the consumed knowledge of Regret and Mercy, and then somehow directly jumped to the Ark from there rather than attacking Earth like he was going to. But that also claims he was using 343's precursor space magic to do this, so I suspect this is a later attempt at explaining it.
Honestly it might've been a bolder choice to just let the Gravemind take out Earth and then fire the rings and repopulate the galaxy with the survivors at the Ark. I don't think that would've gone over well in 2007 though.
the halo 2 storyboards show that the flood never took part in the final battle for the ark and instead the after credits cutscene with cortana and the gravemind was meant to be sequel bait for a proper halo 3.
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The plot point of halo 3 that always pissed me off even at release was how the frick did the Gravemind get to the ark?
High charity was left without the forerunner dreadnought as a power source and shouldn't be able to function much less travel through slipspace. Even if we ignore that then how did the Gravemind manage to travel through the portal on Earth without just shitting flood all over the planet? That little flood ship Cortana's message was on brought enough spores for the Elites to glass Africa so how the frick did High Charity get threre? It could use standard slipspace since the ark is way outside the Galaxy!
Small aside but why did the Gravemind not attack Chief during the later parts of 3? He sends minions but itself is a giant monster capable of wrapping Chief and Arby around its tentacles. The Proto-Gravemind in Halo Wars 2 needed an entire army's munitions to destroy. Had it shown up personally in Cortana or the final level, there's no way Chief or Arby would survive.
In Halo style? Not really. Ergonomically the AR is shit. Good for video game design but not IRL. The others are better due to being more directly based on real life but why them?
The Needler is my homeboy. It destroys all my enemies. A single magazine will down any Elite, Promethean Knight, or Brute on Legendary. Except if skulls are on. And some games I may need a melee at the end.
Hop in boys! We're driving in an active warzone!!! Huh? The Warthog is meant a scouting vehicle and not frontline combat??? Nah! The Warthog is so totally a frontline combat vehicle you drive into war and direct prolonged firefights. No windows, doors or a closed cabin??? Look at everyone in the UNSC! Everyone's driving the Warthog into outright warzones and firefights with no stinking doors, windows or closed cabins! Armor and protection for the exposed gunner, not enough room to carry more than two or three personnel???
We spent our budget giving ONI HQ alien hookers and MAC cannons with theoretically enough yield to blow up planets but we cheaped out so they're air support. We can't afford anything else.
I think there's early lore that states they took off the armored doors to save weight for more speed, because the plasma from Covie weapons went through it easy anyway
NTA but that doesn't explain both tanks and heavier vehicles that can withstand at least a few shots. But knowing the UNSC or ONI, they'd probably say >So what if we can save a life by putting something to take just 1 shot or give them an escape opportunity? It's a standard soldier. He's worthless than the hooker I embezzled his medical funds on.
The greatest threat to humanity is always humanity itself.
Maybe. People try old shit all the time. Armor itself has gone from >We need it >We need more of it >Nah, it sucks >Doesn't do shit, just dead weight >Okay it has uses >We need it
Throughout history. For all we know, bullpups will too but I'm skeptical about its benefits over conventional.
Halo needs to expand to survive. We need different variants of games in the universe. A third person squad command cover based shooter like a hardcore mass effect 3 would be kino. Make grunts and jackals difficult and elites bosses. Make it gritty, segmented regenerative health. Would be fun.
What it needs is to be first removed from 343 along with of their cancerous content then games of the classic formula, more ODST games, Space combat, Republic commando but in Halo etc.
Especially now that they’ve acquired both Activision and Bethesda I imagine Raven, ID etc. would be fit for the job
>Republic commando but in Halo
Thats unironically what Guardians was trying to achieve. I'd say stay away from that formula
343 has proven to be completely incompetent, everything that is actually a good idea if executed right like introducing the other Spartan 2s(not 4s because they’re moronic), expanding the sandbox, increasing player count beyond 16, AI in the multiplayer etc. was executed in the worst possible form
Yes, raven could deliver the best campaign in a decade. I’ve been impressed with their work in the boring ass CoD stuff. I think with halo they could do something impressive.
>Halo needs to expand to survive
No it doesn't, Halo just needs to be a good FPS to survive. Everytime Halo tries to expand outside its FPS genre like Halo Wars and tabletop games. No one plays them and they virtually get attention from the community itself.
Especially now that they’ve acquired both Activision and Bethesda I imagine Raven, ID etc. would be fit for the job
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343 has proven to be completely incompetent, everything that is actually a good idea if executed right like introducing the other Spartan 2s(not 4s because they’re moronic), expanding the sandbox, increasing player count beyond 16, AI in the multiplayer etc. was executed in the worst possible form
Lol they got the people from Republic commando pretty sure lmao. Bungie tried it too with Noble Team and a lesser extent with ODST and no one remembers them for being any good during combat. Halo engine was never built for competent friendly A.i.
If the game is good people will play it. Tons of people I know who hate science fiction played Star Wars battlefront back in the day because it was fun.
Halo unironically needs to die. It should have died after Bungie split from Microsoft. It told its story, Halo 3 was where we "finished the fight". Reach was a neat little addition to that, a little goodbye present to send Halo off with.
But no. We get the endless raping of the lore with a moronic developer being directed by suits who only care about making a quick buck off the morons who still buy AAA games in current year.
I'm not even talking about Bungie fans I'm talking about the fanboys. The guys that are always rabbit and screeching about how they could make a better halo now ignoring the fact that the old Bungie is 8 feet under.
I do agree there, Bungie isn't the same company that made Halo anymore. All the people who made Halo what it was are gone, all that's left is the people currently ruining Destiny. Hell, I used to LIKE Destiny back when it released. I don't even know what they'd do to Halo now, but it wouldn't be much better than its current sordid state.
I say again that Halo needs to be put out of its misery, literally the only silver lining I had for Infinite was that it was supposedly gonna be the last one before they finally let it die, but I've heard they're gonna keep making more now.
I think he worded it weirdly, but there are a certain kind of Bungie fanboys who are extremely unpleasant and stupid. I don't think anon has a problem with Average Classic Halo Enjoyers, like with any fanbase there are "those" types, y'know?
I'm not even talking about Bungie fans I'm talking about the fanboys. The guys that are always rabbit and screeching about how they could make a better halo now ignoring the fact that the old Bungie is 8 feet under.
I should also mention that I favor the older games more than the newer ones.
I get what you mean. Bungie has done nothing but frick up with Destiny for years, you can't even play the majority of Destiny's story content, and that financial report from last year was dire.
Excuse me, but what is that backpack supposed to be? It's not a power pack, as that is not a powered armor. It is not a backpack for equipment, it is too small for that one.
It is not some "oxygen tank" as that is not a vac-sealed suit to be used in space and there are no visible connections from the "backpack" to helmet.
So... what is that bulky thing in the back supposed to be?
>It is not a backpack for equipment, it is too small for that one.
Its a backpack anon. Have you seen the ammo pouches in Halo? They are tiny and not even big enough to fit a magazine. Just look at Chief pouches from Halo CE.
>It is not some "oxygen tank" as that is not a vac-sealed suit to be used in space
I think they meant to imply that before they really got into what an ODST was. Remember the dead one in the airlock on Cairo Station? Wouldn't make any sense to have ODSTs stationed on an orbital MAC platform, and it wouldn't make any sense for him to be there if he wasn't equipped for a spacewalk. Of course, this doesn't have any bearing on later lore, the same way CE isn't in the same universe as Marathon.
Maybe my memory is just faulty and I'm looking at it wrong. Do they ever specifically call them ODSTs in Halo 2? Maybe they were originally just supposed to be Marines in armored spacesuits before they fleshed that out more.
Yeah as much as I like the chunkiness of the 3/ODST iteration the original 2 version are my favorite as well
also people always forget that Bungie didn't want ODST's to appear at all, it was dudes from Microsofts Game Division at the time who argued to get them included and only succeeded because they agreed to help Bungie with a bunch of other work on the game.
Bungie thought it was pointless to have them included because fans wouldnt really notice them being anything but npc marines
https://i.imgur.com/UuYHSIW.gif
Excuse me, but what is that backpack supposed to be? It's not a power pack, as that is not a powered armor. It is not a backpack for equipment, it is too small for that one.
It is not some "oxygen tank" as that is not a vac-sealed suit to be used in space and there are no visible connections from the "backpack" to helmet.
So... what is that bulky thing in the back supposed to be?
it's a hard shell backpack. and ODST BDU's have a bodysuit that is used for EVA
I really wish Bungie took the time to actually make a proper ODST models in Halo CEA instead of reusing Reach assets. I came across a few fan models and they look cool as frick. Literally has the same aesthetic as original Halo CE marines
It always trigged my autism how DMR used 7.62 when the AR also used the same round yet DMR did more damage. Considering that in Halo everything is bigger, it makes more sense to retcon the DMR to use .338 lapua
I'd actually go the opposite direction with that. In Reach, the weapons are actually smaller, more suited for normal humans to be holding. You are also smaller in Reach, being a Spartan-III (in actuality, the weapons are probably scaled for the S-III models, but they're close enough to Marine/Army trooper height). For scale, Jorge is an S-II and he's massive, I don't think his fingers would even fit in the trigger guards of most weapons. Master Chief and the others are supposed to be about the same size as Jorge. It's more noticeable with how big the weapons look when held by Marines in the other games, they're scaled for Chief to be holding.
Where the MA5 series in the other games are 7.62 NATO, I'd say the MA37 we see in Reach should actually be a true assault rifle, perhaps shooting 5.56 or some .300 type round. Supporting this is the fact that the Reach AR actually deals less damage than the AR in Halo 3, taking 19 shots to kill a Spartan in multiplayer rather than the other's 16. And these are S-IIIs, who are supposed to be individually weaker than their predecessors.
If you want to adjust the Halo aesthetic look to the series it was ripped off from: Christopher Rowley's Starhammer trilogy.
Laowon = Covenant
Vang = Flood
Batrachians = Precursors
ITAA = UNSC
Insurgents = insurgents
>Precursors are a 343 thing IIRC.
I agree. Halo 3 is the start of the disaster. Much of 3 and everything onward should be declared non-canon. This would eliminate the Halo 3 Bestarium that said >As the [Forerunners] had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than their own—with the exception of the Precursors—this is a theoretical ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be creatures of legend.
And the best part, it'll erase all of ODST and Reach too.
You can just discount the gay-ass wall of text terminals. Isn't the guy who wrote those working with 343 now?
https://i.imgur.com/V2CIkEt.jpg
That was a bunch of incomplete plans in H2 then by the time H3 happened there's everything from the terminals to official marketing campaigns that say they're different.
Halo was always lore being secondary, which is why Bungie and 343 both repeatedly contradict themselves every game. One of their old ideas was Forerunners riding dinosaurs. All of these were scrapped somewhat early.
H3 has plenty of lines that indicate they're the same, including Guilty Spark literally telling Chief that he is Forerunner. Also the general term "reclaimer" implies that you're taking back something you once had. It makes zero sense if the Forerunners are a different species. Same goes for "inheritor", you inherit things from your forefathers.
NTA but Frank the Hack got fired last year but given the sheer amount of damage he’s done and the fact that Microsoft seems to be moving to pull the plug on Halo after 1 or 2 more flops from 343
>including Guilty Spark literally telling Chief that he is Forerunner. >actually pushing this one line over and over and over >mfw not even worth posting quotes from devs outside the Frank and Luke cucks
Your Bungie idol was always shit and I'm not even wasting my time.
Have you even read Contact Harvest, Ghosts of Onyx, First Strike and The Flood or paid attention to any of the lines from Truth, Mercy, Mendicant Bias etc. or GS other lines like “Oh how exciting is to have a record of all of OUR lost time, human history is it? Fascinating”
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh how exciting is to have a record of all of OUR lost time, human history is it? Fascinating >a level where flood spent the entire time ooing over the flood but people were all muh 343 talked about humans mid conversation
Yes, I did. I actually played the games.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>or paid attention to any of the lines from Truth, Mercy, Mendicant Bias etc
The guys who are either apeshit or say treat them as separate?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh how exciting is to have a record of all of OUR lost time, human history is it? Fascinating >a level where flood spent the entire time ooing over the flood but people were all muh 343 talked about humans mid conversation
Yes, I did. I actually played the games.
Nice cope and 343s retcons will never change what Bungie meant all 3 characters were completely sane (other than the genocide) also Rampancy isn’t the retcon of AI schizophrenia in 343s universe
Dude, the ENTIRE basis of the story is that the Covenant's religion is invalidated by humanity existing, them being living Forerunners. If they weren't Forerunners, then the Human-Covenant war does not happen.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nope. The entire basis would be invalidated by others being chosen too. It's Cain and Abel. It's knowing you were passed over and enviously murdering a brother.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have your forgotten the Covenant's whole schtick is being a faction of multiple alien species? Partway through the war, a lot of the Covenant were beginning to wonder why the humans hadn't been offered a place in the Covenant yet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Prophet jelly
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's some sense in what Truth, Regret, and Mercy did upon finding out. They knew that the knowledge of living Forerunners would break the Covenant and cause their entire civilization to collapse. They had to lie, and get into positions of power to maintain the lie.
NTA but >Cain and Abel
is a good enough explanation. Cain was extremely jealous and didn't ask for how to improve or integrate Abel's better methods. He wanted death to his brother.
There wasn't originally any manner of "being chosen" by anyone. Covenant "theology" is unlike anything else I've really seen, except for maybe Scientology or something.
In that case, why not secretly allow humanity in? Mythological demi-gods throughout history were well respected figures like Hercules. Having your own gods be either sub servant or part of your system is like if a prophet or saint came along and asked to join.
It's not so simple. Let me explain what the Covenant believe: >there was an ancient and powerful race called the Forerunners >the Forerunners saw how shit the universe was, you succumb to death and entropy means it's all doomed anyways >Forerunners build Halo Array >Halo basically raptures them to a higher plane of existence where there is no entropy or death and they live on as powerful godlike beings forever >the Covenant want to do what they did and become gods too
The problem is that if there are living Forerunners, then that's all hogwash. They were supposed to have ascended to become gods, they can't still be here.
Further, the 3 Hierarchs we know and love knew that the Covenant religion was a lie, as told to them before they gained power by Mendicant Bias, who was on the Dreadnought (Cortana is referring to him in Halo 2 when she mentions that the "Covenant AI" is extremely formidable). They gained control over the Covenant solely to ensure the lie remained hidden and the Covenant's civilization wouldn't collapse. To that end, it meant destroying the evidence.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Prophets can easily say they're descendants or genetic alikes because of random chance in a galaxy full of life. They can also easily no true Scotsman by saying they are mistaken for them if they're the same species.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They could, if not for a glaring issue with how the Covenant finds artifacts. They have these things called Luminaries, devices that scan for Forerunner technology. The Covenant have mistakenly translated the symbol for "reclaimer" as "reclamation".
A small error perhaps, given how I certainly can't make heads or tails of those Forerunner symbols. But a fatal one. They took the symbols to mean "technology to be reclaimed" rather than "living Forerunners who will reclaim what was lost". This symbol mostly marks humans, and a little technology intended for the reclaimers.
This was a big problem when they ran into humans. The first interaction was with a freighter. They saw the symbol, boarded the ship, and a Grunt and Engineer were forced to kill the space trucker in self defense. After he died, the symbol went away, and the scouting party assumed it was an error.
Then they found Harvest, and the planet was fricking full of the symbols. They do still hold that Forerunner technology is sacred in some sense, so it can't possibly be wrong. They would eventually begin to question something, either the holy technology is wrong or flawed or it's right and these are their supposed gods that shouldn't be there. If nothing else, it would cause a revolt against the prophets.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The engineers were said to be holy because they were made by Forerunners. Just bullshit an excuse like they were made to guide people to the Rings.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Alright, suppose they do that. Now, where are the rings, human?
Something tells me that lasts all of 5 seconds before something goes sideways. Plus, there are unknowns. The Covenant hadn't yet encountered humanity, Truth and friends were only told of them by Bias. What if humanity knows their origins?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Regret b***hes about the monitors knowing nothing about the Great Journey while still calling 2401 an oracle. Humanity being a species designed as a key is all that's needed
https://i.imgur.com/AnVrBWr.jpg
Top is a halo 3 brute shielded vs. unshielded.
Bottom is a halo 4 promethean shielded vs. unshielded. Can you tell which is which?
That's cherrypicking. Most of Halo's enemies aren't Brutes taking armor off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>choosing the enemy that strips >and a far shot
Trick question. Brutes can armor lock as right. They're always armored.
https://i.imgur.com/WZTcBka.jpg
Flaming skull. What is so hard about bullet to flaming skull?
Give me a minute to download h4 so I can show you what a bullshit argument that is
3 months ago
Anonymous
You know what if I was shown the bottom on its own, I wouldn't know if shields were there or not?
3 months ago
Anonymous
you can visibly see the blood splatter
3 months ago
Anonymous
Where?
3 months ago
Anonymous
On the ground? And a blood splatter wouldn't be from an initial plasma pistol charged shot. It'd be from a hit after.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How are you going to prove
Trick question. Brutes can armor lock as right. They're always armored.
wrong? besides
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being a 3 Brute, he's right that Reach Brutes armor lock without armor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=2sygwQf7yIY
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's almost like reach brutes don't have a shield vs. unshielded state and armor lock is completely irrelevant to the topic in the first place
It's like asking "how can you tell a grunt's shields are down?" when grunts don't even have shields. What's your point?
3 months ago
Anonymous
In Halo: Reach, only Jiralhanae chieftains wear power armor. It is more resilient than the armor worn by chieftains in Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST, potentially requiring multiple MA37 assault rifle magazines to disable. This version of the power armor features regenerating shields. Though Captain Majors are fully armored, they do not have shields. However, all ranks can use Armor Lock.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and guess what, they have the same style of easily visible shield flickering when they take damage and shield static when its down just like the elites do. Again, what's your point?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's almost like reach brutes don't have a shield vs. unshielded stat
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3 months ago
Anonymous
Do you not see the hypocrisy of your own link where you can visibly tell when their shields are down vs. recharging?
Show me the same effect on promethean knights
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he actually doesn't know most halos dont
It's almost like reach brutes don't have a shield vs. unshielded state and armor lock is completely irrelevant to the topic in the first place
It's like asking "how can you tell a grunt's shields are down?" when grunts don't even have shields. What's your point?
They do.
https://files.catbox.moe/y567tn.mp4
Ok, so I dropped their shields. Where's that skull you were talking about?
>in air
3 months ago
Anonymous
>That's cherrypicking >all biological enemies bleed and leave pools and splatters of (often fluorescent) blood >elite shields pop in a glorious sparky fashion >jackal shields change color as they lose their charge before sparking out completely >hunter armor eventually started showing signs of damage >grunts have no shields and blood splatters everywhere as you blast them, when engineers showed up their shield is a bright blue >engineers' crystal crack and pop when you punch through their shielding >sentinels and other forerunner bots take visible damage, even back in CE they would explode and billow smoke as you damaged them >flood combat forms lose limbs and bleed green coagulated mushroom blood >pod carriers slow to a standstill and jiggle until they explode >infection pods explode like they're wet paper >all vehicles since CE(except the invincible human ones) would billow smoke, spark, explode, etc
You've never played Halo
3 months ago
Anonymous
Overshields
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>all biological enemies bleed and leave pools and splatters of (often fluorescent) blood
Not really. Flood just make pieces.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They leave sickly green splatters/pools
armor eventually >eventually
So not in all Halo?
Their blood is fluorescent sherbet orange. It's been incredibly obvious when you deal damage to hunters since the first game. >all biological enemies bleed....
Did you morons even comprehend my post?
3 months ago
Anonymous
they're 343 shills, they can't comprehend anything
3 months ago
Anonymous
>people with eyes are 343 shills
3 months ago
Anonymous
armor eventually >eventually
So not in all Halo?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Prometheans do visibility take damage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody played Halo 5 so nobody is familiar with that. 4 was many people's last Halo game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>shields that are visible only when damage is taken
Anon, you're not making the point you think you do.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And fricking watchers explode and make pieces on the ground. Woopty do.
Halo stopped being cool years ago. ODST was a shitty map pack, Reach a was a god forsaken shitty cod clone, can you all move on?
3 months ago
Anonymous
After playing farther, I found the Prometheans do have blood splatters. They just look so much alike red normal blood that I didn't notice it. Either it's them or they coded Chief's blood to splatter before shields are down and from the enemy a visible distance away. https://files.catbox.moe/d45pes.mp4
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can't even tell where the blood is coming from. There's about 4 different visual effects going on for a single promethean and none of them are telegraphing any sort of blood or gore effect
3 months ago
Anonymous
>shooting enemy, looks down at where enemy was
Dude, he made that video easier to follow than a preschool class.
3 months ago
Anonymous
ok, draw a red circle showing where the blood is leaving the knight's body
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're not that mentally handicapped. https://files.catbox.moe/mmp3b9.mp4
3 months ago
Anonymous
You still haven't shown me where the blood is coming from, only that there's blood on the floor.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I see it okay.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, after you shoot the helmet plate off moron
Maybe you should play the game yourself and show me that animation I'm supposedly missing
Based Blind anon
3 months ago
Anonymous
>There's about 4 different visual effects going on
Anon suffering from sensory overload from that?
Frick off /k/ halogays. You're all as moronic as this. Basic walking outside is too much sensory overload.
Your franchise is dead and buried. It was okay at best but never actually good. Now bullpups.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but >Cain and Abel
is a good enough explanation. Cain was extremely jealous and didn't ask for how to improve or integrate Abel's better methods. He wanted death to his brother.
3 months ago
Anonymous
In that case, why not secretly allow humanity in? Mythological demi-gods throughout history were well respected figures like Hercules. Having your own gods be either sub servant or part of your system is like if a prophet or saint came along and asked to join.
cope, humans are forerunners or at the very least made in the image of forerunners. 343 fans and 343 defenders are slowly but surely getting ejected from the remnants of this fanbase. staten got the last word in with contact harvest cope and seethe.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>muh 343 >muh staten
Bungie did it while Staten was on sabbatical. They all pushed it forward. Choices don't get made by a single person. Your shitty childhood company who wanted Sprint in Halo 2 and cried buckets of tears when Call of Duty stole all their players did it. Say 343 all you want, they were the ones who didn't want Halo to be dead and buried, like it should've been.
3 months ago
Anonymous
more crying and gnashing of teeth won't change the truth 343 troon. frick off and play more shitfinite if you can find a match in that dead game lmao.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Guy kocked halo in general dipsh8t
3 months ago
Anonymous
>343 troon
Enjoy your delusions. Halo should've never went past 3. 3 too should never have happened. And 2 either. The developers all wanted a standalone.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is actually true. The developers didn't want a franchise but were pushed to make more because of their contract.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>and cried buckets of tears when Call of Duty stole all their players
Good times. I was there on forums when it happened. People on gamefaqs or Bungie forums complaining about the newest game, complaining about their 360s RRoDing, or bemoaning CoD being the newhotness.
It's 2020s. People are playing Modern Warfare, Playstation has no games, the times sure haven't changed.
Not always. There's all sorts of IRL people saying they're reclaiming an old culture or inheritance they were never part of. It's a thing people do >Your lands, which you were in before us, is actually ours and we reclaim it.
Also reclaimers were labeled different people.
>including Guilty Spark literally telling Chief that he is Forerunner. >actually pushing this one line over and over and over >mfw not even worth posting quotes from devs outside the Frank and Luke cucks
Your Bungie idol was always shit and I'm not even wasting my time.
This. >waaaah muh rogue bungay employee everybody else gud bois!
If only everyone knew how disorganized or contradictory all of the shit were.
https://i.imgur.com/V2CIkEt.jpg
That was a bunch of incomplete plans in H2 then by the time H3 happened there's everything from the terminals to official marketing campaigns that say they're different.
Halo was always lore being secondary, which is why Bungie and 343 both repeatedly contradict themselves every game. One of their old ideas was Forerunners riding dinosaurs. All of these were scrapped somewhat early.
's Cradle of Life advertising campaign was one of the few being consistent. Even Staten said that Halo 3's writing was made through a number of agreements while also saying Halo 3 was all about who shouted louder.
Under Bungie, Humans were the chosen race to be successors of the Forerunners, hence why only humans can interface with their technology. The fact they even look the same is precisely WHY the Covenant is at war with the humans in the first place - because the prophets shoved anti-human propaganda down their throats to mask the fact that Humans were the chosen ones and not the Prophets.
>Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.
I always thought that was a leftover from when Halo was set in Marathon's universe. Now I know Master Chief was secretly thousands of years old and spoke to 343 GS. I also know that Master Chief's parents were aliens. >You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind.
Master Chief's parents being aliens would explain why lists Chief as different from humans. Because he's an alien all along.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, he was a cyborg the entire time. The games themselves have Marines say >Oh, a Mark IV!
rather than >Oh, a Spartan!
I mean, who would do that unless it's hardware? Why would the model of his armor be more important than him being a super soldier Spartan, unless the CE manual openly stated they were cyborgs and thus Chief is close to hardware? Even the 1st mission says >Constructs and Cyborgs First!
Not to mention if you shoot any marine then Cortana says he's gone Rampany. Rampancy is a Marathon concept, you're right about originally set in Marathon, but humans don't go rampant. AIs so.
Chief can't be an alien because he is a child soldier cyborg constructed by the UNSC.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Also >Chief >steel and nerve >Arby >flesh and faith
If Chief was as flesh as Arby, why's it worth mentioning? Steel and nerve. Chief was intended to be a cyborg way before 2001. In the original E3 announcement (can't remember the year), before Microsoft bought the IP rights and changed the game in a FPS, Chief had a robotic voice.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Chief's neural lace connects him to his armor. His armor is directly connected to his nervous system. The neural lace itself already makes him a cyborg. The armor makes him a modular cyborg.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, the original trailer audio has him with a robot voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEVz0KyQDt8
Thank god his final voice was planned and way better
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Marathon
To this day, I do not understand why Marathon had to be an Extraction Shooter.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bungie chasing the next fad. What's new?
3 months ago
Anonymous
How many players are they going to gain from the Marathon brand?
3 months ago
Anonymous
None. And they found it funny to ask the Tarkov players, of all stockholm syndrome fanbases, if they would play it on release after testing. It's not even a plot twist all of them said no. If they have any idea what Tarkov players, and not other extraction shooter players, wanted then they'd know even the world's best gameplay can't get them. The overall style is too different. I'm shocked that Bungie thought they had any chance.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
He was born on Eridanus II, kidnapped as a grade schooler like every other Spartan. 343 was either going senile or rampant in all likelihood. There's a slight possibility it relates to the end of Marathon, where you escape the heat death of the universe with your AI god and enter the next one to rule over it as deities, but I doubt it.
https://i.imgur.com/E9a1zln.jpg
No, he was a cyborg the entire time. The games themselves have Marines say >Oh, a Mark IV!
rather than >Oh, a Spartan!
I mean, who would do that unless it's hardware? Why would the model of his armor be more important than him being a super soldier Spartan, unless the CE manual openly stated they were cyborgs and thus Chief is close to hardware? Even the 1st mission says >Constructs and Cyborgs First!
Not to mention if you shoot any marine then Cortana says he's gone Rampany. Rampancy is a Marathon concept, you're right about originally set in Marathon, but humans don't go rampant. AIs so.
Chief can't be an alien because he is a child soldier cyborg constructed by the UNSC.
Don't they only refer to Chief as a Mark V in CE? IIRC at that point it wasn't yet clear if Halo would be an extension or spiritual successor to Marathon yet, so concepts got borrowed here and there. By Halo 2 they committed to Halo being its own thing, but left a couple nods to Marathon here and there, like some superstition among Elites that Spartans were reanimated warriors returned from the dead to fight again. This is exactly what the Mjolnir cyborgs in Marathon are, but they only went up to like Mark IV, whereas Chief was a Mark V in the first game, implying he's more advanced than those. Also yeah, Mjolnir was carried over too, but as the name of the armor and not the one inside.
Also >Chief >steel and nerve >Arby >flesh and faith
If Chief was as flesh as Arby, why's it worth mentioning? Steel and nerve. Chief was intended to be a cyborg way before 2001. In the original E3 announcement (can't remember the year), before Microsoft bought the IP rights and changed the game in a FPS, Chief had a robotic voice.
Machine and nerve. Could refer to the power armor and Cortana. Chief could technically still be called a cyborg of sorts given his neural interface, but that's a standard UNSC augmentation.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Halo 2 they committed to Halo being its own thing
Anon tells a funny
You could not pay me to come up with worse enemy design. >bullet sponges that eat up half of your already small ammo reserve >no reaction to being shot at, even when shields are down >shields give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields >hard to tell when shields are down >head silhouette is hard to distinguish from the rest of the body due to its gray monotone color scheme >getting headshots for the 1 hit kill is a convoluted mechanic that's not well telegraphed to the player >the fricking annoying watchers that always accompany them can quickly revive them, doubling your ammo consumption
I don't know how 343 managed to do it
Anon tells another funny
3 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/E9a1zln.jpg
No, he was a cyborg the entire time. The games themselves have Marines say >Oh, a Mark IV!
rather than >Oh, a Spartan!
I mean, who would do that unless it's hardware? Why would the model of his armor be more important than him being a super soldier Spartan, unless the CE manual openly stated they were cyborgs and thus Chief is close to hardware? Even the 1st mission says >Constructs and Cyborgs First!
Not to mention if you shoot any marine then Cortana says he's gone Rampany. Rampancy is a Marathon concept, you're right about originally set in Marathon, but humans don't go rampant. AIs so.
Chief can't be an alien because he is a child soldier cyborg constructed by the UNSC.
>No, he was a cyborg the entire time. >He was born on Eridanus II, kidnapped as a grade schooler like every other Spartan.
Wrong. He is the literal child of Forerunners who made 343 GS. He spoke to 343 GS over a thousand years before the current Halo games.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Chief could technically still be called a cyborg
Wouldn't the nerve work and HGH implant count too?
That was a bunch of incomplete plans in H2 then by the time H3 happened there's everything from the terminals to official marketing campaigns that say they're different.
Halo was always lore being secondary, which is why Bungie and 343 both repeatedly contradict themselves every game. One of their old ideas was Forerunners riding dinosaurs. All of these were scrapped somewhat early.
>The Flood, as far as I can remember, was something that Jason talked about purely as a gameplay twist. This is the enemy we could introduce to change the gameplay dynamic. It had to be horrifying. Beyond that, there was nothing fleshed out. >So, I started putting together all kinds of different sketches and ideas. Originally – and this is sort of funny considering how militantly opposed I became to the idea after the fact – the Flood was an engineered weapon. >Basically a living, intelligent mine field that the Covenant seeded the worlds on the edge of their space with. You showed up on one of their planets and you were screwed as soon as you made landfall. >[…] Griesemer wrote up a really interesting alternative story (and he was the guy who coined the term 'Gravemind' as well.) Basically, in his early version, the Flood was a type of meningitis that somehow made a life form more aggressive, but also made them more intelligent, so it was this rite of passage. When males reached a certain age, they'd be hit in the head and tossed into this mass grave. They'd come out smarter, but looking for a fight.
I hate mystery so much. Why couldn't Bungie have went with their original ideas of the Flood being a bio-weapon rather than cosmic unknown horror? Why couldn't they keep Chief a cyborg? Why couldn't they do >They were going to be riding thornbeasts, herding blind wolves, in bamboo armor that made them look alien. But when the mask came off... HUMAN! This idea was VERY short lived, but we hinted at it in the stone structures on Halo 2. But, that wasn't definitive, either.
Where it wasn't short lived they ditched during Halo 2 but 343 GS came back and revealed they had bamboo armor? I'm robbed. I want fricking cavemen Forerunners. Frick advanced technology I want the Old Ones to come back as hunter-gatherers with less tech than a feral world. I want my fricking cavemen.
Well, the MSBS has a bullpop version. Some guns have bullpup versions of themselves even in this decade. They're niche but I doubt bullpups will ever completely disappear so if there's ever some awesome advancement which only benefits bullpups, then sure.
Frick off Halogays. Your games were never more than tolerable for 10 year Olds. The plot never made sense, the weapons and armor stupid, try something better
It was pretty stupid to have a huge frickoff flashlight underslung for a future service rifle when we had nods standard issue for regular infantry in 2000. They could have had a 40mm tandem warhead HEDP grenade that could one shot elites instead. It's hard to believe that after ten years of fighting the covenant they wouldn't have developed a weapon that at least gave parity to the individual marine with an elite.
The lore explanation is that elites were rarely deployed. But I don't see that in Halo reach.
Judging by early screenshots and early 3rd person builds calling it a >MA-5 ICW/30mm CGL
Apparently there was meant to be an underslung grenade launcher at the bottom at some point in development.
The earliest concept arts have two magazines of different sizes, implying a mag-fed underslung weapon. The Assault Rifle went under many iterations with some being very, very XM29 OICW.
If any more proof is needed, here's an older screenshot of the underslung grenade launcher being used. Halo went from RTS, to third-person, to first-person and many design iterations.
>Halo went from RTS,
Kinda funny to think it could have been a forgotten starcraft knockoff instead of the most significant FPS of the 2000s. The standard by which everything is measured today.
>books not canon
FoR, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact Harvest and the Cole Protocol are all great
Reach was actually supposed to expand on FoR but Frank O’Connor who absolutely despises Nylund has a hand in the development
>after Reach >the biggest plot hole in the franchise
Even on its own, it's completely illogical. It's a plot singularity.
It gets makes more sense if you use head canon to make it take place from August 29th-30th and how the covenant were actually jamming the entire side of the planet until Tip of the Spear which is when the Fleet of Particular Justice first arrived, not great but O’Connor was likely the reason why Reach’s story turned out that way
yeah
they might have figured out caseless ammo by then. that+electronic trigger= a bullpup that really fricks.
based yeahposter
Maybe. Neither. Halo: CE AR is the GOAT
In 500 years it's questionable if we'll still be using metallic cartridges, or ballistic projectile weapons in general. But for Halo's universe it makes sense. You want maximum velocity and stopping power in as compact a package as possible for dealing with superior xeno armor & shields. Also
is correct. the MA5B is top-tier, 60 rounds of real frickin nato at 900 RPM.
>keltec canonically the only manufacturer to survive 500 years into the future
lmao
In an age of ar clones and a stagnant market, only one company was bold enough to innovate
I hear American AKs are growing though.
Their name? Desert Tech
>A subsidiary of ROBINSON ARMS
I'm trying my very best to ignore my feelings towards 343 but why does that look worse than the ODST model. am I imagining it?
343 has no sense for the halo aesthetic even when they try to emulate it.
You should see their own version of the smg. They took out all the character of the original design and just made it a space p90
90% of modern vidya gun designers could be replaced by a poorly made machine learning algorithm.
>could be
Will be
The Halo aesthetic was neither consistent nor sensible. The weapons would have been seen as fricktarded even in the 70s. The AR is inexplicably bulky to no purpose like that underslung flashlight in a world where chest lights exist. Halo CE was supposed to be a standalone with its own original weapons then we have Halo 2 go IRL guns well beyond the pistol resembling some real life guns.
>underslung flashlight
Modern ultra bright LED flashlights have basically no volume required. They could be mounted as a 2 millimeter thick ring at the muzzle. The battery could be anywhere and thin wires ran to the LED.
It's literally SOVL vs SOVLLESS
The writers explained that in the year 2200, humanity invented a glass of water that killed all your enemies when you drank it. They decided this wasn't fun and stuck with traditional ballistic weapons.
lol I remember that from the Halo 3 extra disc
anyway the reason they use bullpups in halo is because it's better for center of gravity in low-gravity or even zero-g environments.
I made that up just now but it sounds good.
>superior xeno armor & shields.
In early Halo(Reach - Halo 2) the M7 and BR55 are the only UNSC guns I can think of off the top of my head that were actually designed to be used against Covies. Everything else was meant to be used against Innies or near peer enemies. Hell, even the Spartan II's were initially designed to fight insurrectionists.
When armor is king, you need all the velocity you can get, which means maximizing barrel length.
Also, the DMR makes no sense, it should be chambered in 50BMG to line up with it's size, in game damage and role on the battlefield.
In universe the AR was always supposed to be the "not good enough humanity is outmatched" gun. In the books the UNSC even has soft armor that stops .308 AP cold.
If they wanted to bring it back they should have explained it with old weapon caches, innies using surplus, or had it rechambered into a stronger cartridge. They could have at least said "It's AP design has been upgraded" or something.
>MA5B
>good
Only thing the ar excelled at in CE was clearing waves of Flood infection pods. You could feather the trigger on it and be accurate enough to pop combat forms' infection pods. But it's still better to use a M6D or M90 to pop the pod and destroy the body in half the time it takes the rifle. MA5C on the otherhand is a very good assault rifle.
>that front heavy
>that length of trigger pull
>that much useless shit slapped onto it
>for shittier range than a pistol
Nay
>only one shot in 300 hits
its dogshit stop coping bc you think its cool
Unironically, yeah it checks out.
>Also BR or DMR?
BR is more iconic but DMR is superior performance wise (and fricking satisfying to pop heads with)
>Also BR or DMR?
Literally
>halo 4 model DMR
disgusting
Not my Misriah Armory
if you need absolute maximum ballistics to kill the ayys then bullpups are an obvious choice
>id hay-loeh ree-ah-lees-tik?
You're actually black, aren't you?
Halo is a white man's franchise
Not true, black yugioh nerds and mexicans with fricked up mics are also staples of the fanbase
Black yugioh needs are honorary aryans
The real answer is Quake or CS but as far as console shooters went, Halo was practically an ethnostate compared to CoD.
Doesn't stop nogs like you from thinking they can play on the white man's sandbox.
Barrel length without it being longer than a ww1 Mosin
Was
343 turned it into slop fit for Latinx and other undesirables
>tfw LNoS was the closest we’re ever getting to space combat
I could probably cludge together a working DMR so I'll go with that
>Does it make sense for a mass shift to bullpups in 500 years?
it makes about as much sense as the hyper-advanced alien race using guns with a muzzle velocity of ~50 feet per second
In the lore the plasma weapons simply melt through everything it gets shot at which offsets the disadvantage of low velocity. Plus there are also long ranges weapons like the carbine and beam rifle
covenant were moronic. All their plasma tech was based on shitty replication of old forerunner designs and they refused to ever do much upgrading.
It's brought up a lot in the books and extended lore that the Covenant's really dogshit at innovating upon known technology. In fact they barely understand most of it beyond the basics of how to make it, and get it working. The actual theory behind their own technology is elementary at best. I think it's First Strike, where a bunch of humans and cortana take over a covenant ship and after interfacing with it for like a day Cortana realizes the covenants super scary ship scale plasma weapons are barely operating at half their maximum possible output. It's mentioned later that if humans could have captured even one decent sized covenant ship intact near the start of the war, they could reverse engineer it and field superior vessels in about a decade maybe sooner.
It is partially covered in game as well. The Huragok were the only species within the Covenant that could fully understand and intergrate with their systems, and even then it was on a maintenance basis. It fits with the predominate narrative as a whole. The Covenant appropriate a long lost civilization they hardley know about so the technology will naturally be just as alien. It is like a lot of post apocalyptic stories where the orignal engineers or mechanics for infrastructure have died off so the current of people treat machines as sacred and utilise them while not fully understanding their function.
I did not need to see bare elite ass today
They could do okay with the Needler. That was a Covenant homebrew from the ground up. Their problem is they're 40k Admech levels of screaming tech heresy. That Covenant ship was the equivalent of being set to factory normals because they're too obsessed with the product to toggle basic settings any common sense user would.
Begone Travisstroons, A single Sangheili working in a private laboratory designed a top of the line suit of powered armor for humans despite never having seen a human before, and having nothing besides videos and pictures of human powered suits to work off of, not even blueprints. Said design was competitive with last generation Mjollnir armor.
There is LITERALLY an entire province on the Sangheili homeworld the primary export of which is Sangheili weapon and armor engineers, where all the greatest Sangheili autists tinker with plasma batteries and exploding crystals all day long.
>and exploding crystals all day long
Why did the wider covenant fear it? And overall why did both devs hate the needler?
>that spacing
...and which game did this lore made its debut in anon?
careful, hes gonna reee that its from the books or something
Oh I know where it is from, I am just waiting for him to bravely confess where kek
it's not like it's from one of the halo mobile games or something, right?
I will give you a hint. It was side content added in a later update. It also looks ugly as frick.
Ironic, considering everything you gays said was books only.
NTA but 343s canon is by in large bad fan fiction, Bungie canon is leagues better despite there not being a lot of it, also Eric Nylund writes Halo as good as Joseph Staten
Elites being intelligent and having their own engineers has been in every era of the lore. Some writers want them to be ignorant cavemen, and some want them to be advanced, and the two factions have been retconning each other's writing back and forth from the very beginning.
Smartest race in the Covenant other than engineers sure but humans are smarter given how the covenant had to use Forerunner ruins to get their tech whereas humanity developed everything on their own granted having their ancestors blood memories as The Flood and Ghosts of Onyx implied might have helped but still
I never said that homie
, in fact I said it was in game lore. My point here
was that your lore was additional side content for one of if not the most shitty instalments, lore and gameplay wise, for the entire series.
Your armor is shit and ugly as frick kek
>I never said that homie in fact I said it was in game lore.
I didn't say you admitted it, I said it WAS books only, which it is, you illiterate homosexual.
>all those squidfaces and they can't come up with a swappable battery for their primary rifle in more than 500 years
imp'less'ive
>There is LITERALLY an entire province on the Sangheili homeworld the primary export of which is Sangheili weapon and armor engineers, where all the greatest Sangheili autists tinker with plasma batteries and exploding crystals all day long.
Nice try Split-lip, only humans have the capacity to develop and understand new technology
>covenant were moronic
Yeah, that was clearly stated when the UNSC discovered that they can't innovate at all. All their tech is copied Forerunner tech.
Stated by one writer in books, contradicted by other writers, also in books.
The Covenant just copying Forerunner tech and refusing to innovative because muh heresy makes more sense lore wise.
Just because you like it better, which shows you have no taste.
There are just as many if not more writers who contradicted the "dumb elites" writers going all the way back to the beginning.
yes but fall of reach, the first halo novel, the book that necessiated the creation of the story bible in the first place (first major non-studio project) and the book that had by far the most bungie oversight and it unequivocally states covenant are just poor imitators
you don't seem AT ALL familiar with the topic so why are you arguing here about it all?
Ahhhhh so when it's a book you approve of then we can use the books, my how CONVEEEEEEEEENIENT
I know you're probably just baiting at this point but fall of reach was under such scrutiny by bungie the book was almost scrapped because they didn't agree with what it said
it was the one book where they for certain had absolute control of the contents
People throw massive hissy fits about reach contradicting the fall of reach's Canon even though Nylander wasn't talking to the rest of bungie when he threw in stuff like humanity still depending on centrifugal force for their ships and nobody seeing elites until the battle of reach, i.e. shit that was instantly contradicted by halo ce
I don't give a shit how much scrutiny the book was under.
You gays came charging in insisting that nothing written mattered, that only the games mattered, that everything you thought about elites was in the games, only to squirm and resort to a book when pinned down.
The stuff you're saying isn't backed up by what's in the games, or even common sense. The Covenant have no AI because that's something they outlawed. As such their ability to innovate and adapt is laughable compared to humanity. Cortana can crack their battle net encryption with ease, for instance.
>The stuff you're saying isn't backed up by what's in the games
Halo 1 has *zero* elite characters, Halo 2 and 3 show them as reasonable, intelligent people who were already strongly questioning the validity of the war despite centuries of propaganda that they were raised inside.
>or even common sense.
It's your cartoon cardboard cutout villains that make no sense.
>The Covenant have no AI because that's something they outlawed.
Having certain technologies restricted or stymied by the central government does not actually speak to the Elites' specific technical abilities in any way.
>As such their ability to innovate and adapt is laughable compared to humanity.
Or their ability to innovate and adapt is being constantly held back by the prophets.
>Cortana can crack their battle net encryption with ease, for instance.
And the UNSC is laughably, woefully behind the covenant in both electrical and material sciences.
Everywhere in the trilogy, the retrograde influence of the prophets is felt holding the elites BACK, so it made perfect sense when writers correctly pointed out that without that anchor pulling them down, they would soar ahead.
>Halo 1 has *zero* elite characters
This. Part of why 2 is my favorite is how much it introduced. The Prophets, Great Journey, etc. If you only played CE, the aliens are generic idiots who get sidelined in favor of Flood whom they broke out of containment. If we go by the instructions manual, they have some religious reason to wipe out humanity but nothing else elaborated. The Covenant in CE are hollow and might as well be replaced with killer robots, given their lack of personality.
>lack of personality
>CE Covenant
How does someone life with such profound mental moronation?
>Halo 1 has *zero* elite characters
It has several, and they all have strong personalities. Like the gold elite that stands behind the force field, and that first stealth elite that chuckles.
>Elites are cool and stuff
They're basically medieval knights that were given technology.
>Covenant have better tech
They're aping stuff from the forerunners. The elites could never recreate the tech for AI.
NTA but when were these given any indication from the game? And for personality, we basically have little more than a goomba laughing.
Who cares? Halo 1 wasn't about the intricacies of the Covenant.
>they have personality
>but they don't because game was not about them
>They do
>Sorry it wasn't a full novel's worth of character building for every elite you see.
>they have
>but it's nothing
>muh novel
>but it's literally nothing when even reach's cast has more
"Waaah muh lack of hyperbolically deep intrigue."
Halo 1 was focused on Chief, Cortana and 343. Deal with it.
>literal nothing
>but this is huge characters
Stay away from Call of Duty. Those characters must be like 5D chess to you.
CoD is just action movie drivel, with the exception of Black Ops 1 and 2. Modern Warfare 3 went full moron with its campaign that resurrected characters who died on screen.
Which is why they're better characterized than much of Halo.
Yes, deeper than CE elites.
CE Elites oozed character. Their presence had a commanding affect on other covenant members, and you saw that they had spec ops guys trying to deal with the flood.
How? They behave like anything else
>A faction can't have character unless it has litteral characters!
>Everyone who disagrees with me is baiting
My estimation of your IQ is getting lower by every post.
They have less than a sentence.
So to be clear you cant actually respond to a single thing that I said? Great, frick off.
Too be clear, you never actually said anything.
I made several points backed up by the games, and you just pretended I didn't and said "nuh uh, the games said it somewhere, I dunno where but I'm sure it was in duh games"
like a fricking moron.
You made up several points, you mean.
Hey it's fine if you cant argue against any of it it's ok.
I did, lol. You didn't make any points. Elites are just medieval knights that discovered technology. They don't know how their stuff works, unlike how every human soldier understands the workings of their weapons.
>already strongly questioning the validity of the war despite centuries of propaganda that they were raised inside.
The Elites actually started to respect humans too. Their questioning of the Covenant was born out of humanity's battle prowess and the Hierarchs' flat out refusal to even offer them a place within the Covenant.
while the early books weren't considered primary canon (always games > books) they did strictly adhere to the Halo Story Bible which bungie made and provided as a compilation of things that are canon, but that just don't naturally fit into the game
which means that the information they provide about how covenant were morons when it comes to technology is canonical since it's historical/background lore and not book specific events
Covenant technology is reverse engineered from Forerunner designs and they consider any sort of R&D to be heresy.
>example 4880120 of the G11 being more futuristic than sci fi weapons.
Yes.
>Why
Storage and usage on board spaceships where space is at a premium. If you have a chance to make the weapon smaller you take it.
>Storage and usage on board spaceships where space is at a premium. If you have a chance to make the weapon smaller you take it.
What's wrong with collapsible or folding stocks? if that's the problem, we already have many solutions.
You're gonna need to fold it eventually. Bullpups have compactness for tight corridors without sacrificing shootability
Assuming it's a full length barrel you must have. But if it's storage, foldable weapons occupy less space and only need like a second to unfold. Most can be fired like that too.
It makes sense to do a mass shift to bullpups now, but everyone is stuck in their ways
Not really. Why switch?
AR. We WILL be killing alien shitters with 7.62 REAL FRICKING NATO in 2552.
If we're going that angle, I assume it's to have a barrel long or longer than modern sniper rifles in a bullpup package
The DMR is a WMD in a package? It kills everything from a thousand miles away. Two of them can destroy a Banshee in seconds. One of them can pop a Scorpion or Wraith hood and kill the driver, let alone anything with an uncovered driver. There are power weapons less powerful.
The M932 DMR is my raifu.
Aesthetically, I like the DMR better, but the BR almost certainly has better ballistics. The realest answer is the SRS99 that'd be stashed on my mongoose
You know I wish we got more of the downsized mjolnir armor like ODST's and Dare had since both of their helmets are derived from mjolnir produced designs. See how those integrations were being done near the end of the war as it became more possible to produce stand alone variants of helmets and other parts of armor. I suppose it would make sense though for only glowies and special forces to get these toys.
The irony is if the halo universe was not so over the top with literal super soldiers, ODST would be as fricking glowie as you can possibly get. These are special forces trained for fricking orbital re-entry and killing everyone within their vicinity.
It's funny since that's directly what they are mentioned to do and still do after the war, nothing like dropping in guys from orbit onto rebel camps with no way to retaliate.
SPI armor is pretty neat.I really liked how these photo panels worked.
Is it concept art time?
those are all ugly and fricking atrociously stupid, clearly made by someone that doesn't understand how guns work. are those fricking bluetooth magazines? how does the bullet get into the chamber?
BETHESDA makes better fantasy guns
Todd, please.
those look like destiny concept art, irc destiny weapons are either energy weapons or kinetics that use programmable matter called glimmer to create their projectiles so in a way they are bluetooth mags
The in universe conceits don't make it better.
Which way /k/?
You know a choice helps.
Halo 3 ODST all the way. However, the Reach version is tippy top.
Reach was sovl as frick bro. The whole game. I know it was gay and plotholey hut piloting the spaceship blew my fricking mind
Reach is unironically my favorite Halo. Mechanically it's near perfect. Armor powers were superior to 3's equipment. Hit/hurt boxes are some of the most accurate I've ever seen in a video game. You can literally give a player a Loony Tunes style bullet outline without hurting them. Most of the guns felt the best with appropriately "punchy" sound fx. Vehicles felt the best too and the Falcon is my favorite aerial vehicle in the series. And Kat's perfectly round booty. FRICK I LOVE HALO REACH
>Mechanically it's near perfect. Armor powers were superior to 3's equipment. Hit/hurt boxes are some of the most accurate I've ever seen in a video game.
I too enjoy lying for the sake of trolling but isn't this too much? Nobody would fall for these lies. Not the least the Halo players who abandoned the franchise and went on to play Call of Duty games that aren't made by Bungie.
Truly that was an odd era for Bungie but very invocative of the future. Much like how their modern day selves tried saying making Marathon into an extraction shooter was "passion" rather than chasing trends, they tried their had at Call of Duty games. The good news is that even Halo's playerbase is smart enough to reject their failed attempts.
Reach was the best Halo in terms of gameplay. There's a case to be made for Infinite's campaign gameplay, though. It practically gets DOOM like towards the end.
>Reach was the best Halo in terms of gameplay.
Who has taught you these lies?
Myself. I mean in Halo 4 you can hide behind a corner and enemies will forget you exist. In Reach they will throw grenades and pressure you if your shield is down.
Bait or mental moronation
How can someone come up with such lies?
>DMR/Needle Rifle cross-map laserbeams because "hurr durr muh comp players say it's better when only one weapon is relevant!!1!11"
>BTB being hide from the DMR because vehicles would die to them
>maps reused from campaign and so open that infinite range is too strong
Some because of Bungie was facing down a fan rebellion who insisted they didn't understand Halo during Reach's time.
>Some because of Bungie was facing down a fan rebellion who insisted they didn't understand Halo during Reach's time.
What the frick is this english? You aren't making any sense whatsoever.
Which is kind of funny to think about when you look at Bungie's actions in the previous 2.5 games, they clearly weren't fans of the precision weapon meta and tried to break it, but they didn't seem to be able to figure out how. The BR (and the noob combo) got whacked with a massive nerf going from 2 to 3, and in ODST they straight up deleted the BR from the game and replaced it with a pistol that was extremely good at chain-killing unshielded enemies but extremely bad at breaking through shields. (There's also a video at some game dev conference where someone from Bungie is giving a talk about ODST and when he says they removed the BR there's actually a cheer from the audience.)
The changes to precision weapons in Reach were fairly radical but definitely in line with how the Bungie wanted the game to be, they just weren't executed very well with the random bloom being the worst offender. Personally I would have simply made it a single-shot BR clone that takes five shots minimum to kill instead of four and maybe increased the rate of fire ever so slightly instead of trying the random spread, but I can understand why they would want to try and find an alternative balancing method after years of people being used the the four shot precision kill.
I'd add that it's not just bloom but vehicle health calculations making the DMR far too good at destroying them. A big part of Halo modes made irrelevant.
Nobody gives a shit about the multiplayer. All those modes are dead now, while the campaigns are eternal and thus what the games should be ranked on.
The campaign is the worst
Reach > Infinite > Halo 1 > Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 4 > Nobody played Halo 5
In terms of the campaigns.
>reach above any
Reach had the best enemy AI. The elites were exceptionally smart. They dodged grenades, chased you around corners, and used their own grenades. They'd roundhouse kick you.
>. They dodged grenades, chased you around corners, and used their own grenades.
Typical halo game stuff? This is everyday Halo.
Not in Halo 4. The enemy AI in Halo 4 sucked shit and could be defeated by using lamp posts for cover.
>muh 4
So low a standard. How about actual Halo games unlike that and Reach?
Elite AI yes. Online Ai vs AI battles show Promethians are surprisingly smart. One video over a decade ago showed a 2vs2 with H4 Elites had them split up, then one teleports to the other just to dogpile Elites in a 2vs1 one at a time.
Did anyone actually enjoy fighting Prometheans? I found them to be annoying bullet sponges.
>likes Reach
>calls something else bullet sponge
The DMR wrecks everything in Reach, and you can noob combo to make it stronger.
>the OP abomination that destroys everything can destroy enemies who survive an energy sword slash
>the weapon that makes everything else obsolete can
>noob combo that works in any halo
Yes, a nuclear weapon exploding right beside can destroy the best tanks of today.
Too easy. Even on Legendary
>Promethians
Just assassinate bro
For me and my hate? It's prothean knights
>pop their shield
>they teleport away
I remember I got stuck on a checkpoint in Halo 4 because I had no ammo left on any non-promethean weapons and the knights kept regenerating. Looking back I probably could have just ran through the level.
>they teleport away
That was one of the easiest things to deal with. They telegraphed where they pop up. Plant a grenade or just wait for them to show up at that spot and assassinate. .
You could not pay me to come up with worse enemy design.
>bullet sponges that eat up half of your already small ammo reserve
>no reaction to being shot at, even when shields are down
>shields give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields
>hard to tell when shields are down
>head silhouette is hard to distinguish from the rest of the body due to its gray monotone color scheme
>getting headshots for the 1 hit kill is a convoluted mechanic that's not well telegraphed to the player
>the fricking annoying watchers that always accompany them can quickly revive them, doubling your ammo consumption
I don't know how 343 managed to do it
sponges that eat up half of your already small ammo reserve
>>no reaction to being shot at, even when shields are down
give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields
>>hard to tell when shields are down
Did the breaking effect and roar not give enough?
ok, and then he teleports away and now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
That is, if he hasn't regenerated his shields yet, which is also stupidly fast considering how strong they are
These walls of text offend me. They display terrible understanding of Halo and its gameplay.
>now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one
You don't have eyes?
>now you can't which of the 3 knights that spawned together is the weak one because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
You can. There's an effect.
>strong they are
The scattershot or even the base AR is pretty effective at taking down their shield. A human weapon can down their shields fast.
is correct that a full needler magazine is a guarantee kill on every promethean even on full health. Just supercombine twice. They'll flinch long enough that even close range ones will die in the time it takes for the second.
The Shotgun and Scattershot are good weapons against the Prometheans. Even on Legendary, only 3-4 shots are needed to kill them.
Adding to these, I'm
and 4's non-precision weapons surprised me when I first played through. They were much better than I remembered in Reach, 3, even earlier. When playing 4 PvE, I highly recommend not doing the usual Halo precision weapon tunnel vision. It's safer taking enemies out from a distance but spraying them up close is much faster most of the time.
>It's safer taking enemies out from a distance but spraying them up close is much faster most of the time.
This. Even the fugly Storm Rifle is closer to the Brute Plasma Rifle than the Plasma Rifle. They both overheat faster but deplete shields sooner. BPR via more per-shot damage, SR via highr rate of fire. But this is a good thing because as long as it doesn't overheat before the enemy's shields are gone, it depletes the shields faster and you swap to another weapon. It serves the plasma weapon shield buster role.
>because 343 never figured out how shield flickering effects give the player an indication of an enemy's health.
Do we count the purple mist?
You mean that faint blue smoke that's mostly hidden behind their body? That you're supposed to be able to tell from a distance in the heat of combat apart from all the other visual clutter and glow? That's supposed to be just as good as
?
It's way better. Purple vs orange. Some early elites have the same armor color and blue doesn't show well on blue.
I saw it easily.
That looks more blue and that's good. Complementary colors.
That pic vaguely reminds me of Metroid Prime. Halo wishes any of it's campaigns were as good as Metroid Prime.
Bluish mist shows up in many games including metroid prime
>using Halo 5 as an example
Now that's just not fair. You know as well as I do that no one played 5.
give very little indication of damage unlike elite shields
>>hard to tell when shields are down
Wut
You realize that shield break effect only last for a split second right?
When you shoot someone in a bungie halo their entire silhouette lights up like a christmas tree. When you shoot a knight in halo 4 a tiny part of their shields shimmer at the point of impact, and that can be easily obscured by the abundance of visual clutter in that game. Visually it's like shooting a brick wall, there's so little indication as to whether or not you're actually doing damage and how close their shields are to popping. It's fricking horrible visual design, you can even see it in the halo 1 remaster too.
You can't headshot a knight until you shoot off its helmet too, and you can't shoot off its helmet until you take off its shields. It only shows the skull for a brief second right after taking out its shields, otherwise it puts the helmet back on. Though I don't blame you for not knowing this, because again the mechanics are horribly telegraphed.
Just say you fricking suck man holy shit
Look, moron. There's almost no visual change between a knight with his shields up and one with its shields down after that initial shield breaking effect. It's not my fault you play on easy and nothing matters because they all die in a single magdump.
I see it. Try closer and you can too.
I can see a difference and it's far away. Also, why's the video letting themselves be exposed? On Halo 2, a Jackal would snipe him. In 3 or Reach he's vulnerable too.
>You can't headshot a knight until you shoot off its helmet too, and you can't shoot off its helmet until you take off its shields.
The faceplate automatically comes off once shields are busted. These aren't Reach Grunts or Brutes.
This is categorically false and I don't know why I'm trying to argue this point to morons who clearly don't know what they're talking about
He's right. It took me longer to redownload the game than capture this. https://files.catbox.moe/hq26l7.mp4
You can see the face opening.
>the face glows slightly more orange in addition to his entire body, which also glows orange
Very convincing. Meanwhile,
Blind man needs another clip
I swear god you morons could convince yourselves that water is dry
Yes. Watch a YouTube video
play the game
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-1725,00.html
Thank you for proving my point
You're welcome. The animation exists and
just sucks
Let me rephrase that
Thank you for proving my point that the skull animation exists only for a split second instead of staying off as I said in
, and is not at all a reliable visual indicator of shields popping
nta but other prometheans have been shown with faces off.
>that the skull animation exists only for a split second instead of staying off
Nice try. Play the game more. There's types where it stays longer.
yeah, after you shoot the helmet plate off moron
Maybe you should play the game yourself and show me that animation I'm supposedly missing
>after shooting
Stop. They die if you do that. Halo works via headshot instant kills for most shielded enemies. This isn't a Grunt with a mask. This isn't a Brute.
That was a very humiliating miss.
Yeah and russia is winning right?
They're killing their own minorities with conscription. Zelensky and Putin are good friends behind the scenes.
>halogay cares about that shit
The new hip thing is Israel. You should be saying
>Yeah and hamas is winning right?
But I'm not into apartheid.
Shut up and give your tax dollars away.
>hhorribly telegraphed
It's the same as an Elite roaring in any other game.
>clutter
Their bodies disappear unlike other Promethean enemies. There's less clutter the better you do.
>shoot off helmet
What game you talking?
That's a load of skill issue
>this backpedddling
moron
I see lightning effects. That's damage.
That's visible enough for gameplay.
>You realize that shield break effect only last for a split second right?
Welcome to Halo?
Top is a halo 3 brute shielded vs. unshielded.
Bottom is a halo 4 promethean shielded vs. unshielded. Can you tell which is which?
>choosing the enemy that strips
>and a far shot
Trick question. Brutes can armor lock as right. They're always armored.
Flaming skull. What is so hard about bullet to flaming skull?
Ok, so I dropped their shields. Where's that skull you were talking about?
Like I expected. You posted a mid air.
>two feet on the ground = in the air
That wasn't the original condition you proposed either btw.
>animation plays
>but jt was canceled because of another extraneous action
>"actually you can tell when their shields drop, you just have to look for the skull!"
>"actually you can't actually see the skull if he's doing any sort of animation whatsoever!"
This is why you can't argue with 343 apologists. Enjoy your shitty halo knockoffs
>skull shows as animation
>animation is canceled
>343gays
>implying basic understanding is
How to tell if you broke someone's shields in halo 1 - reach:
>shields flare up in a very obvious color across the entire body and gets stronger until it pops
How to tell if you broke a knight's shields in halo 4:
>after dumping half your ammo into something that barely shows any reaction to being shot at, it will show its skull IF AND ONLY IF it is not in the middle of any animation whatsoever (basically never)
Yeah great design, you convinced me
>How to tell if you broke someone's shields in halo 1 - reach:
>slight flicker
>4
>incapable of admitting you're shit
flicker
very slight
blink and you'll miss it
NTA but on co-op I've missed it many times.
Skill issue
>after dumping half your ammo into something that barely shows any reaction to being shot at, it will show its skull IF AND ONLY IF it is not in the middle of any animation whatsoever (basically never)
Why dump half a magazine? Elites die faster than Reach's
>lol I survived rocket
and Prometheans flicker when hit and pop when shields are gone like any other enemy. And
shows they have an easily visible complementary color mist too after.
>blind anon thinks barely any reaction
Holy shit. I knew the Halo fanbase were rejects who have too much sunken cost fallacy to move onto CoD like most of 3's players but this is way too much.
>knew the Halo fanbase were rejects who have too much sunken cost fallacy to move onto CoD like most of 3's players but this is way too much
The post 3 players you mean
>actually you can't actually see the skull if he's doing any sort of animation whatsoever!"
That's how things are for many games. Scripts and animations. You do things, an animation triggers. People have done skips and glitches that one way or another made a script not play in more games than I can count.
Elites cancel out of animations when floating too.
The teleport charge; Easily readable and heck something on legendary imo you should try to encourage to close the distance safely. Instant kill melee is something I hear a lot for both halo reach and halo 4 but unless I've just been lucky in my many many hours replaying these games on legendary, the majority of the time it's only an instant kill if you have take any shield damage prior to the engagement. I do think this one might be enemy rank dependant I might be speaking from the darkness there. One last thing to mention is in the vast majority of engagements in halo 4 will have viable weapons somewhere, normally hidden away or just off the main path, available to make the encounter a cake walk.
4's lower total ammo count is functionally forcing you to use scavenged weapons more which in 4 just means you're forced to use weapons that work better on them. even the suppressor can down shields quickly.
Once a Knight's shields are depleted, its helmet will open, exposing its face. Shooting the face with a precision weapon will kill it instantly. How do you not notice a flaming skull?
By being a moron is how you don't notice
>the fricking annoying watchers that always accompany them can quickly revive them, doubling your ammo consumption
I saved this from /hg/. /k/'s filesize limit is smaller so I'm going to use catbox.
Someone on Legendary can one-shot a Watcher with a charged Boltshot. https://files.catbox.moe/8cferi.webm
It's not a matter of difficulty. It's just not fun to fight them. What makes matters worse is there's not a lot of variation in Halo4 encounters.
True, it's not fun when they're too easy. H4 lacks a Legendary. Its Legendary is a Heroic. The problem is the playerbase has been morons for years.
Stay way from Flood. Some 3 Flood are way worse.
At least combat flood have a consistent headshot hitbox you can hit. Pure tank forms are one shot by energy swords. Range forms can be picked off by plasma rifles The stalkers are generally harmless. Yes they are very annoying and a bad design but nowhere near knights
No, they're way fricking worse.
>Flood pure forms are boring as frick. Stalker just runs around, ranged is annoying and hits way farther than most, and tank slllowwwwllllyyy pushes you. SLOWLLYYYY
I see lots of people in Warzone Firefight attacking Knights with headshots, or spraying away with an AR, so I guess this isn't common knowledge or apparent to beginners, but there's a more effective way to fight them and take them down in a few seconds.
On their back carapace/hood thing immediately behind the shoulders, there are two brightly glowing jets. A handful of shots with a precision weapon like a BR or DMR to that spot will cause that half of the carapace to violently explode. Do that on the other side too, then when the Knight has no carapace, you can kill him with a single shot to the gut.
It's not that hard of a target to hit because Knights don't move around a lot, and if you shoot from a distance, they'll basically stand there and take it.
Elites dodged grenades even in ce.
Halo CE > Reach = ODST > Halo 2 > Infinite = Halo 3 > Halo 4 > Halo 5
>nobody gives a shit about multiplayer in halo
(You)
Then it deserves dead last. The one saving grace about Reach is Forge. Now we have no Forge. Damage sponge elites surviving rockets, tech demo shit clearly meant to test for Dedtiny features, etc
That would mean Halo CE is backtracking the same levels, 2 is incomplete and Legendary straight up untested and 3 being 2's leftovers with some levels being two-parters and ruining the story, Wars being an RTS, and ODST being an empty city with maybe some jazz and substories about survivors.
Lol moron, Reach has the worse campaign interms of sandbox and its affects are still feeled to this day.
>pick up dmr/needle rifle
>stay far behind out of aggro range
>shoot the 30 grunts and jackals, finish off the remaining 10 Elitles/brutes with noob combo
>repeat until vehicle part of the mission
Bungie went full moron and forgot firefights were designed around one to three squads of covies.
The changing menus were cool tho
This is the part people don't seem to get about reach. The enemies are so bullet spongey in that game that everything becomes centralized around the precision weapons. At least in previous halos the grunts were weak enough to the point that even bad weapons were still viable against them, plus you had dual wielding to shake things up.
Ran a reach legendary run a few years ago. Tried avoiding precision weapons. Didn't work. Fricking singular grunts can eat more than half an AR magazine. Singular grunts. At point blank and because they have no headshot effect there's no way to make it stronger any time. On legendary most non precision weapons are water guns.
That’s only true on legendary
Besides if we’re talking legendary Halo 2 had all those flaws and more
I’m a Reach fan (NTA too) but I can see it’s flaws and it should’ve been a one of for that stuff
Moreover, the whole system sucked.
>Halo Reach movement
No thanks. Sprint ruined Halo.
>Reach pacing
No thanks. The armor abilities and quirky movement messed up the pacing. It's supposed to be faster due to more movement options but just ends up feeling slower/tedious.
>Reach gunplay
Maybe...It might be okay once all the armor abilities and sprint have been removed. The bloom sucks, but apparently it's always been a part of Halo anyway so I guess I'd be open to seeing how it plays. I just wish they weren't so obnoxious about it in this game.
>Reach responsiveness
Absolutely not. It's the most sluggish-feeling Halo. Halo 3 was sluggish, but it was a slower game that wasn't built around sprint. Going in and out of sprint in Reach, having to deal with getting 'stunned' every time you fell from a high elevation...no thanks. They built sluggishness into this game.
Bonus negative points for nerfing the base jump height, invisible snipers everywhere in BTB/Heavies, Jetpacks (talk about slow and unresponsive (to use) while also being a pain to fight against), fall damage, and most importantly removing dual-wielding. It's like Bungie started to hate fun all of a sudden. There's so many anti-fun mechanics in this game while fun things were removed.
Firefight is an accurate summary of the campaign. Just phoned in firefighter matches. Bungie really were sick and tired of the franchise.
>while the campaigns are eternal
Try playing a Bungie campaign on Legendary without relying enterally on the handful of precision weapons and the plasma pistol. 343 have made a lot of mistakes but their weapon sandbox is infinitely better than basically every Bungie game except CE.
NTA but I tried that with 3 for a few levels. It was honestly rather pleasant. I went through Crow's Nest and a few others while ignoring Battle Rifles for Assault Rifles. It was a much greater challenge I will fully admit but Halo without the precision weapon can be a fun experience.
>The changes to precision weapons in Reach were fairly radical but definitely in line with how the Bungie wanted the game to be
I doubt this. The Halo 2 BR was comparable to the DMR in ability but the maps included tons of close range places where getting DMRed from across the map is less of an everyday occurrence.
It’s funny seeing this in a modern light, all modern halo fans shit the bed the few times 343 tried to change the BR domination of the sandbox. Everyone with any sense could see it kinda ruined the whole ecosystem. 343 tried to give the AR, SMG, and something else more accuracy and precision damage and losers like HiddenXperia and others freaked out. I remember seething on the halo waypoint forums back in the day trying to tell all these eco chamber morons that using the BR or magnum isn’t “difficult.” Younger people I’ve talked to who have played MCC and past titles all talk about how they liked the game but were sick of using the same gun over and over. I think it’s hurt the franchise’s ability to gain fans, amongst all the other things that have gone wrong. Ironically the only guy who doesn’t freak out over these balancing changes is MintBlitz, who’s coincidentally the best player in the world or near it.
When I went through the MCC, I tried my best to use weapons I usually don't use or give every weapon a try. It's for the same reason as those younger people, for variety. I found that the 343 games tend to have better automatics. I did things I would've never done before like traded away a full DMR or BR for an AR. Precision weapons still had headshot ability but even on Legendary I used automatics besides the occasional Plasma Pistol or Needler way more.
Yeah, I also remember Halo forums. Players today would be shocked if they read what people wrote a decade ago. Opinions on games, balancing, etc. And yeah, Mint would be one of the people not to complain. He's really, really good and part of why I trust his opinions on gameplay. He's not some shitter who doesn't know what he's doing, he's a highly skilled opinion. So many complainers for many game complain because of their own skill issue. Not him.
I agree, for all of its issues Halo 4’s gunplay was very good balance and variety wise. Didn’t like the Light Rifle or suppressor but they genuinely didn’t do a bad job on that part of 4. It’s so funny watching so many mediocrities onions face while mint couldn’t care less.
(You)
>Armor powers were superior to 3's equipment.
Armor lock
>he wasn't an armor lock chad
Get filtered you filthy noob. Armor lock was the easiest one to counter. You literally didn't have to do anything.
NTA but it wasn't dealing with it, it was just a mindless delay. At most strategic, you press a button to instantly split the opponent's attention between a new target or the guy who can come out from under his rock at any time. Or you do it do destroy an incoming Ghost. The vast majority of the time it's done as nothing more than a death delay in a game whose TTK is already much larger. During those times, it's practically like another player sitting on the same couch pauses the game for a few seconds.
I reufsed to play Reach out of pure contrarianism when it came out, H3 being the one I played the most with friends and CE my absolute favorite for the campaign. But frick me, I went and got the MCC and decided to play Reach and it was fantastic. Different, but it very much was the last good entry in the series.
Shame we never got another ODST game, I loved all the different minor armor varients they were able to give the squad, get to see more of those special forces without limitations of them just being NPCs.
I played through ODST the other day and I swear I never remembered Mickey having that giant shoulder piece fifteen years ago
Halo 2 ODST’s are peak
Halo 3 ODSTs, and I can honestly say I think their aesthetic is just overall superior rather than just old thing good, number company bad.
Halo is the one series from my childhood I've refused to let go. Star Wars and Star Trek, Gears of War and Fallout, I've let them be buried. But Halo, I keep holding out hope.
>Halo 3 ODSTs, and I can honestly say I think their aesthetic is just overall superior rather than just old thing good, number company bad.
Well in this case both versions are bungie in a way as the left one is just the Halo 2 design but made with modern tech.
Lol, lmao even. Still don't know why they had to add in the white outline for the visor in H2A.
>dinos couldn't even grow food and had to use brute and grunts workers.
Jiralhanae deserved all of the massacres
The j*ralhanae massacres never happened.
I guess. Shaving off a few inches but still retaining the same barrel length helps alot with storage, especially in a cramped spaceship.
Collapsible buttstock does the same thing.
True enough. Folding or collapsible stocks can achieve similar lengths. I doubt it's as shoulder-able though.
All I have to say is as an avid halo fan I fricking hate other halo fans. Shut the frick up and quit threatening devs every five seconds holy shit.
>tfw Halo is dead forever
And everyone is to blame for it
Not me. I only played the first one.
You missed out.
I was in denial for a long time but I finally accepted this too
Till 343 gets fired there is no hope, but even then Microsoft would probably just think at that point that Halo has served its purpose and just pull the plug
Nepotism, sunk cost, Halo fans not acting like Battlefield fans (which I am a fan of both) when we get screwed over by 343 and the fact that Halo is no longer number one for Xbox because they own Activision now
Despite viewing Halo Reach as good as 3 it really should’ve stuck to FoRs canon like Bungie was going to do but Frank O’Connor was involved in the writing to some extent and he and the rest of 343 absolutely despise Eric Nylund
dont be sad anon
it was good while we had it
>tfw Halo is dead forever
should have stayed dead after Reach.
>Rookie never died in that novel
>Chief and Cortana are still drifting in space, rescued eventually. 343 never retcons rampancy as "AI schizophrenia" (which Cortana logically shouldn't even suffer from in the first place)
>should have stayed dead before Reach.
Fixed
also
>Forerunners are human ancestors
>Forerunners are a mystery never to be explored or revealed at all
Fixed
>Forerunners are a mystery never to be explored or revealed at all
that's in the original trilogy.
how has everyone in 343 not lost their jobs yet?
Something something, their sugar daddy is Microsoft, something something
Halo is still one of Microsofts bigwigs, even if they’ve done absolutely everything they possibly could to ruin it. That said the main shithead in charge over there, Bonnie Ross, got canned a few months back so there’s still some microscopic chance that maybe they won’t spectacularly frick up whatever they will be doing next. That said they will still absolutely never compare to prime Bungie who were pulling 20 hour days 6 days a week for the first two titles with a fraction of the resources 343 has.
>there’s still some microscopic chance that maybe they won’t spectacularly frick up
As much as I want to believe that this is possible, we all know that this is unfortunately cope. The environments in which Halo CE and 2 were designed were lightning in the bottle scenarios. Smaller development teams with limited scope. CE was a success because of what it pioneered as standard form in shooters along with being a launch title. 2 shot it out of the park because instead of having unfocused development on wether to fully commit to a single player fps experience it instead hammered out the kinks of CE and expanded the universe storytelling along with popularising multiplayer on console. 3 succeeded due to the new hardware capabilities that the 360 provided, but was a far smaller game compared to 2 and mostly succeeded on: >"its next gen halo, what is not to love!"
That is not to say it was over rated, it is one if my favorites, but that is the naked truth of why Halo 3 worked. It had a reputation and capitalised on it with new tools and resources. ODST, despite how people reflect back onto it now, is mostly cult status. Motherfrickers bought that for the map packs while the campaign was an after thought with folks. Halo Wars was a mediocre RTS saved by an intriguing story and with the universe of Halo to bump up cred. Then there is reach. While reach is one of my all time favorite games it is a heavily polarised mess. They polished as much as they could mechanically so they tried to instead keep up with the current standard with modern shooters with mixed results. They had perfected the story so they instead regressed to book lore which they fumbled with. Bungie knew that there was not much they could do with the IP anymore, that is why the team moved on. It is why 343 are a bunch of frick ups.
Most have, 343 is basically a revolving door. It's actually why infinite had such a mess of development, because they made a new engine in house and by the time it was finished none of the devs working there had actually had a hand in making the engine and thus had no idea how to use it. As to the higher ups well, executives tend to fail upwards.
The better question is why hasn't anyone tried kickstarting a spiritual successor to it?
What do you think Destiny is? Spoiler: it's Sci Fa Halo. If you need that Bungie FPS itch scratched just download the basic b***h version of Destiny 2. It's free.
>tfw been using the Sunshot revolver since vanilla
>tfw clearing entire squads with 2 shots and its passive's chain reaction
Black Hole Gun.
>pretending Destiny plays anything like Halo
Frick off. We want a standard single player campaign, basic movement options, no gay ass powers, a fun multiplayer slayer maps, and fun weapon sets.
Destiny's moronic MMO style, numbers cluttering the screen, looking down the rails gameplay is nothing like halo.
>We
Not your personal army, homosexual.
Bonnie Ross and Frank O’Connor give fantastic head
Many have. The big question is why all of Bungie wasn't shut down after 3. I know greed but they wanted to stop at CE and only did up to 3 because of contracts and unable to get everything in 2. Nohting afterwards had any passion and was phoned-in tech demos for Destiny. Might as well let them do a new IP like they all wanted.
Split lip fricker armor
god the new armors got ugly, looks like a fricking power ranger
>length of pull resolved by electronic triggers
Probably
>underage PrepHole thread
>nice quads
Got to get them into the hobby while they are young somehow.
>underage
Anon a person who was a teenager when Halo 3 came out has a good chance of being in their 30's now.
>implying it wasn't video games that got me into guns
Thank you Rainbow Six and Goldeneye 64.
>picking the worst DMR
I'll take the reach DMR
i don't get cosplay anons, like you're gonna go through all that effort to 3d print some shit and then *not* sand it enough so you can't see the printlines? Like it just seems super cheap and shitty, like women who buy a onesie and that's their cosplay. Am i autistic /k/ ?
>Am i autistic
no
Guys GUYS!!! Hear me out! What if... We take child soldiers, give them drugs, enhancement surgeries and power armor? We can start with all those orphaned war children from Gaza.
No anon you got to go in order. First wave is kidnapping kids. War orphans for the second wave.
realistically if we are still using fricking hand guns in 500 years I will be very disappointed, my bet just seeing the Ukraine conflict is that the gun becomes obsolete and we all start using personal self guided munitions on each other as weapons, maybe something like the knife drones from culture, what use is a gun when swarms of self guided exploding munitions can take out any infantry
Depends on how they function outside atmosphere. I agree with the power of personal self-guided munitions but not obsolescence of firearms. Police, self defense, there's many who'd stick to guns.
All new rifles will be peak practical bullpups once all these miloomers with their BBC fetish die off.
>no daddy I need my rifle to be as long and black as possible even if it makes it less practical!
How is it less practical? Have we fixed the triggers? The triggers are generally not as good as a traditional rifle because you need to transfer the motion of the trigger pull from the middle of the rifle all the way to the rear, where the cartridge is. To my knowledge, we still haven't made any with super good triggers.
as a dude who actually was issued an m16 and uses his other "assualt rifles" regularly, i do like having all of the controls and operations in front of my face so i can do things like clear a jam or inspect the chamber without having to pull the entire weapon away and look at it like a confused fricker trying to change a babys diaper
thank cervix
Wow so insightful
Bullpups give me cancer
Frick MLG. Someone post that Sanity Not Included song.
The FAMAS is so aesthetic that it looks good even when unbullpupped
Destroy Bungie
Bullpup has the one advantage of longer barrel for a given weapon length. If that's needed then sure. Otherwise it doesn't matter. A traditional firearm has the chamber and ejection port forward of the operator's face. A bullpup has the danger of catastrophic explosion next to the operator's neck.
What makes obvious sense is for Reach to have classic Halo gameplay and ODST to be the experimental CoD shooter experience in a Halo setting. What we actually got was two games that both both haphazardly mixed classic Halo gameplay with random CoD bullshit. The legacy of not forcing both development teams to stick to their respective and clearly distinct fricking briefs is the absolute shitful mess of a Halo franchise we have now. I won't speculate on the reasons that they fricked it so hard, except to say that I think you can see the guilty fingerprints on it as early as Halo 3, maybe even some management stuff in Halo 2.
Halo Reach was such a let down
>Reach is hyped up to be military stronghold of humanity
>Only 20 Orbital MAC stations compared to Earths 300
>Covie ground forces land planetside in some desert
>Instead of nuking the entire area, UNSC launches full scale ground assault with warthogs and tanks
>Covenant Supercarrier reveals itself in said area
>Again, instead of nuking the hell out it (Nukes are conveniently on the opposite side of the planet, apparently ICBM's don't exist in the 26th century) or at least just spamming with bombs, artillery, missles, anti air fire, etc, retreat on your own military stronghold planet.
>Have to jury rig a slipspace engine to take it out instead of overwhelming it with planet that theoretically should have a homefleet that outnumbers it 15 to 1
>Original Canon had Reach fall in 24hrs but the game retcons it to 1 month which doesn't make any sense
is hyped up to be military stronghold of humanity
Then fricking ONI ordered the fleet away. I haven't read anything more moronic in a Bungie game. One of their most important planets undefeated because some glowy space CIA buttholes thought it was fun.
Frank O’Connor was involved in the writing so it’s pretty clear what went wrong given how the trailers were more in line with the book and the fact he can’t write anything correctly to save his life
Was he the one ruining 3? 343i might have shat the bed even worse from 4 onward, but if you actually believe Halo 3 was anything short of a MGSV tier disappointment as a continuation to Halo 2's story, you're either blind or severely impaired.
>Arbiter relegated to being an extra with maybe 3 lines of dialog through the whole thing.
>Prophet of Truth, the cunning mastermind slowly planning his shit through the whole of H2 while deleting the other prophets in the process, is now a mindless fanatic who actually believes in 'The Great Journey' which he didn't give a rat's ass about in H2 besides being a stepping stone into getting more power.
>Cortana's been in the clutches of the Gravemind for weeks ! She's definitely getting compromised, and won't ever be the same again ! Also, she's totally going rampant, guys. Actually never mind, she's fine, just a bit sad. Let's go back to the usual business. Glad to have you back, Ma'am.
>Gravemind, this huge entity that's lived through centuries amassing both power and knowledge which is literally omnipotent in its current state and could end you on a whim just ... gives up and die. While crying about it like a b***h.
>Guys let's trust 343 GS even though he's proved countless times to be a murderous whacko without an ounce of a conscience, I'm sure nothing bad will happen !
>Miranda and Johnson romance out of nowhere.
Staten had no part in H3's script, and it fricking shows. To anybody who made the mistake a getting hyped after H2 it was a severe cold shower. H3 might have been an improvement over 2 regarding everything else, but man did the story shit the bed.
>Arbiter relegated to being an extra with maybe 3 lines of dialog through the whole thing.
He had a decent amount of dialogue, it's just that Chief never interacts with him. He literally says only a single word to Arbiter throughout Halo 3's campaign. As for not having an independent campaign, probably little point. They were working together now rather than being on literal different sides of the Human-Covenant war like before. Also, it's not well remembered, but a lot of people gave Bungie shit for the Arbiter's inclusion in Halo 2 at all back in the day. I don't agree, but that may have been why they tried to avoid that.
>Prophet of Truth, the cunning mastermind slowly planning his shit through the whole of H2 while deleting the other prophets in the process, is now a mindless fanatic who actually believes in 'The Great Journey' which he didn't give a rat's ass about in H2 besides being a stepping stone into getting more power.
He actually would've been safe from the Array on the Ark. He might've planned on wiping everything out and then ruling the aftermath as if he were a living god anyway. Or he could've just been going insane and trying to justify humanity's existence as them being "left behind" Forerunners.
>Cortana
It was kinda up in the air as to what was going on with her.
>Gravemind, this huge entity that's lived through centuries amassing both power and knowledge which is literally omnipotent in its current state
I don't think it was quite there yet. I'm actually more stumped as to how it got to the Ark in the first place. Truth took the Dreadnought, which was High Charity's power source, or at least it's main source. How did it jump to slipspace?
>Guys let's trust 343 GS even though he's proved countless times to be a murderous whacko without an ounce of a conscience
They did this in Halo 2
>Miranda and Johnson romance
I never got that impression. Figured Johnson felt it was his duty to protect the daughter of his late Captain.
GS was going to work with the Humans and elites in Halo 2s cut third act, his hurry to activate the rings in CE was mostly him being confused and probably him believing that the rest of the out break was on a far larger scale and likely that the rest of humanity had already been evacuated to Shield Worlds
The plot point of halo 3 that always pissed me off even at release was how the frick did the Gravemind get to the ark?
High charity was left without the forerunner dreadnought as a power source and shouldn't be able to function much less travel through slipspace. Even if we ignore that then how did the Gravemind manage to travel through the portal on Earth without just shitting flood all over the planet? That little flood ship Cortana's message was on brought enough spores for the Elites to glass Africa so how the frick did High Charity get threre? It could use standard slipspace since the ark is way outside the Galaxy!
Maybe there was backup generators on High Charity because the Prophets knew that the Ark portal needed the Keyship to activate, the way I see it it was so fast that it didn’t want to risk the rings firing plus after Shipmaster glassed Africa it was probably barren enough so that any Flood that were there could be taken out quickly and presuming that the other Covenant ships present in Sol were dealt with the Home Fleet could’ve positioned ships for that purpose like only 2 of the 7 Frigates present in The Storm’s final cutscene went to the Ark
The only explanation I found on the wiki said that it made a slipspace jump near Mars, THEN realized everything about the Ark from the consumed knowledge of Regret and Mercy, and then somehow directly jumped to the Ark from there rather than attacking Earth like he was going to. But that also claims he was using 343's precursor space magic to do this, so I suspect this is a later attempt at explaining it.
Honestly it might've been a bolder choice to just let the Gravemind take out Earth and then fire the rings and repopulate the galaxy with the survivors at the Ark. I don't think that would've gone over well in 2007 though.
the halo 2 storyboards show that the flood never took part in the final battle for the ark and instead the after credits cutscene with cortana and the gravemind was meant to be sequel bait for a proper halo 3.
Small aside but why did the Gravemind not attack Chief during the later parts of 3? He sends minions but itself is a giant monster capable of wrapping Chief and Arby around its tentacles. The Proto-Gravemind in Halo Wars 2 needed an entire army's munitions to destroy. Had it shown up personally in Cortana or the final level, there's no way Chief or Arby would survive.
time constraints and bungie liked the scarab better.
In Halo style? Not really. Ergonomically the AR is shit. Good for video game design but not IRL. The others are better due to being more directly based on real life but why them?
Can futuristic tech correct all the flaws in them today?
Sci-fi guns tend to be so bulky. We tried that with XM29. Also China tries it too for some reason.
Give Choppa
Why would we? Are conventional setups lacking? If there was a very good reason then maybe but I can't see any for now.
Naw, we laser.
Sure. There's Lasgun patterns for it.
The Needler is my homeboy. It destroys all my enemies. A single magazine will down any Elite, Promethean Knight, or Brute on Legendary. Except if skulls are on. And some games I may need a melee at the end.
Hop in boys! We're driving in an active warzone!!! Huh? The Warthog is meant a scouting vehicle and not frontline combat??? Nah! The Warthog is so totally a frontline combat vehicle you drive into war and direct prolonged firefights. No windows, doors or a closed cabin??? Look at everyone in the UNSC! Everyone's driving the Warthog into outright warzones and firefights with no stinking doors, windows or closed cabins! Armor and protection for the exposed gunner, not enough room to carry more than two or three personnel???
Shut up and hop in already homosexuals!
We spent our budget giving ONI HQ alien hookers and MAC cannons with theoretically enough yield to blow up planets but we cheaped out so they're air support. We can't afford anything else.
Think of it more as a purpose built technical than anything else.
I think there's early lore that states they took off the armored doors to save weight for more speed, because the plasma from Covie weapons went through it easy anyway
NTA but that doesn't explain both tanks and heavier vehicles that can withstand at least a few shots. But knowing the UNSC or ONI, they'd probably say
>So what if we can save a life by putting something to take just 1 shot or give them an escape opportunity? It's a standard soldier. He's worthless than the hooker I embezzled his medical funds on.
The greatest threat to humanity is always humanity itself.
Scorpion at least has Ceramic-Titanium armor, Warthogs likely were made from lighter stuff because they were designed as FAVs
Aren't bullpups outdated trash though?
Maybe. People try old shit all the time. Armor itself has gone from
>We need it
>We need more of it
>Nah, it sucks
>Doesn't do shit, just dead weight
>Okay it has uses
>We need it
Throughout history. For all we know, bullpups will too but I'm skeptical about its benefits over conventional.
>We need it
I need it
Halo was made by creatively bankrupt nerds who copy-pasted everything from Alien$ and Iain M. Banks
Halo needs to expand to survive. We need different variants of games in the universe. A third person squad command cover based shooter like a hardcore mass effect 3 would be kino. Make grunts and jackals difficult and elites bosses. Make it gritty, segmented regenerative health. Would be fun.
What it needs is to be first removed from 343 along with of their cancerous content then games of the classic formula, more ODST games, Space combat, Republic commando but in Halo etc.
I agree. Would love to see other studios under Microsoft get a crack at things.
Especially now that they’ve acquired both Activision and Bethesda I imagine Raven, ID etc. would be fit for the job
343 has proven to be completely incompetent, everything that is actually a good idea if executed right like introducing the other Spartan 2s(not 4s because they’re moronic), expanding the sandbox, increasing player count beyond 16, AI in the multiplayer etc. was executed in the worst possible form
Yes, raven could deliver the best campaign in a decade. I’ve been impressed with their work in the boring ass CoD stuff. I think with halo they could do something impressive.
Also I’d like to see TreyArch try a take on firefight with more survival aspects like CoD zombies.
>Republic commando but in Halo
Thats unironically what Guardians was trying to achieve. I'd say stay away from that formula
>Halo needs to expand to survive
No it doesn't, Halo just needs to be a good FPS to survive. Everytime Halo tries to expand outside its FPS genre like Halo Wars and tabletop games. No one plays them and they virtually get attention from the community itself.
Lol they got the people from Republic commando pretty sure lmao. Bungie tried it too with Noble Team and a lesser extent with ODST and no one remembers them for being any good during combat. Halo engine was never built for competent friendly A.i.
If the game is good people will play it. Tons of people I know who hate science fiction played Star Wars battlefront back in the day because it was fun.
Halo unironically needs to die. It should have died after Bungie split from Microsoft. It told its story, Halo 3 was where we "finished the fight". Reach was a neat little addition to that, a little goodbye present to send Halo off with.
But no. We get the endless raping of the lore with a moronic developer being directed by suits who only care about making a quick buck off the morons who still buy AAA games in current year.
I do agree there, Bungie isn't the same company that made Halo anymore. All the people who made Halo what it was are gone, all that's left is the people currently ruining Destiny. Hell, I used to LIKE Destiny back when it released. I don't even know what they'd do to Halo now, but it wouldn't be much better than its current sordid state.
I say again that Halo needs to be put out of its misery, literally the only silver lining I had for Infinite was that it was supposedly gonna be the last one before they finally let it die, but I've heard they're gonna keep making more now.
>Reach was a neat little addition to that, a little goodbye present to send Halo off with.
More like a final middle finger. I hated it on release.
Bungie halo fanboys are moronic, we can all agree on that right?
Don’t you have a marvel movie and/or a COD game to be posting about on Reddit right now?
>t. 343 shill
I literally hate 343 you man babies
I think he worded it weirdly, but there are a certain kind of Bungie fanboys who are extremely unpleasant and stupid. I don't think anon has a problem with Average Classic Halo Enjoyers, like with any fanbase there are "those" types, y'know?
I'm not even talking about Bungie fans I'm talking about the fanboys. The guys that are always rabbit and screeching about how they could make a better halo now ignoring the fact that the old Bungie is 8 feet under.
I get what you mean. Bungie has done nothing but frick up with Destiny for years, you can't even play the majority of Destiny's story content, and that financial report from last year was dire.
I love how we talk about fan it's and outta nowhere the dogshit takes just come flooding in
I should also mention that I favor the older games more than the newer ones.
The original ODST armor from Halo 2 will always be my favorite. You can see the 90's anime inspiration in its design and it looks like space swat.
Excuse me, but what is that backpack supposed to be? It's not a power pack, as that is not a powered armor. It is not a backpack for equipment, it is too small for that one.
It is not some "oxygen tank" as that is not a vac-sealed suit to be used in space and there are no visible connections from the "backpack" to helmet.
So... what is that bulky thing in the back supposed to be?
>It is not a backpack for equipment, it is too small for that one.
Its a backpack anon. Have you seen the ammo pouches in Halo? They are tiny and not even big enough to fit a magazine. Just look at Chief pouches from Halo CE.
It's just a hardened backpack probably. There's a bunch of different designs of them spread around the games, but ODST features a few different ones.
>It is not some "oxygen tank" as that is not a vac-sealed suit to be used in space
I think they meant to imply that before they really got into what an ODST was. Remember the dead one in the airlock on Cairo Station? Wouldn't make any sense to have ODSTs stationed on an orbital MAC platform, and it wouldn't make any sense for him to be there if he wasn't equipped for a spacewalk. Of course, this doesn't have any bearing on later lore, the same way CE isn't in the same universe as Marathon.
Maybe my memory is just faulty and I'm looking at it wrong. Do they ever specifically call them ODSTs in Halo 2? Maybe they were originally just supposed to be Marines in armored spacesuits before they fleshed that out more.
Yeah as much as I like the chunkiness of the 3/ODST iteration the original 2 version are my favorite as well
also people always forget that Bungie didn't want ODST's to appear at all, it was dudes from Microsofts Game Division at the time who argued to get them included and only succeeded because they agreed to help Bungie with a bunch of other work on the game.
Bungie thought it was pointless to have them included because fans wouldnt really notice them being anything but npc marines
it's a hard shell backpack. and ODST BDU's have a bodysuit that is used for EVA
I really wish Bungie took the time to actually make a proper ODST models in Halo CEA instead of reusing Reach assets. I came across a few fan models and they look cool as frick. Literally has the same aesthetic as original Halo CE marines
>BR or DMR?
BR.
It always trigged my autism how DMR used 7.62 when the AR also used the same round yet DMR did more damage. Considering that in Halo everything is bigger, it makes more sense to retcon the DMR to use .338 lapua
I'd actually go the opposite direction with that. In Reach, the weapons are actually smaller, more suited for normal humans to be holding. You are also smaller in Reach, being a Spartan-III (in actuality, the weapons are probably scaled for the S-III models, but they're close enough to Marine/Army trooper height). For scale, Jorge is an S-II and he's massive, I don't think his fingers would even fit in the trigger guards of most weapons. Master Chief and the others are supposed to be about the same size as Jorge. It's more noticeable with how big the weapons look when held by Marines in the other games, they're scaled for Chief to be holding.
Where the MA5 series in the other games are 7.62 NATO, I'd say the MA37 we see in Reach should actually be a true assault rifle, perhaps shooting 5.56 or some .300 type round. Supporting this is the fact that the Reach AR actually deals less damage than the AR in Halo 3, taking 19 shots to kill a Spartan in multiplayer rather than the other's 16. And these are S-IIIs, who are supposed to be individually weaker than their predecessors.
If you want to adjust the Halo aesthetic look to the series it was ripped off from: Christopher Rowley's Starhammer trilogy.
Laowon = Covenant
Vang = Flood
Batrachians = Precursors
ITAA = UNSC
Insurgents = insurgents
Precursors are a 343 thing IIRC. Same with the Forerunners being weird fish people instead of ancient humanity.
>Precursors are a 343 thing IIRC.
I agree. Halo 3 is the start of the disaster. Much of 3 and everything onward should be declared non-canon. This would eliminate the Halo 3 Bestarium that said
>As the [Forerunners] had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than their own—with the exception of the Precursors—this is a theoretical ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be creatures of legend.
And the best part, it'll erase all of ODST and Reach too.
You can just discount the gay-ass wall of text terminals. Isn't the guy who wrote those working with 343 now?
H3 has plenty of lines that indicate they're the same, including Guilty Spark literally telling Chief that he is Forerunner. Also the general term "reclaimer" implies that you're taking back something you once had. It makes zero sense if the Forerunners are a different species. Same goes for "inheritor", you inherit things from your forefathers.
NTA but Frank the Hack got fired last year but given the sheer amount of damage he’s done and the fact that Microsoft seems to be moving to pull the plug on Halo after 1 or 2 more flops from 343
>including Guilty Spark literally telling Chief that he is Forerunner.
>actually pushing this one line over and over and over
>mfw not even worth posting quotes from devs outside the Frank and Luke cucks
Your Bungie idol was always shit and I'm not even wasting my time.
Have you even read Contact Harvest, Ghosts of Onyx, First Strike and The Flood or paid attention to any of the lines from Truth, Mercy, Mendicant Bias etc. or GS other lines like “Oh how exciting is to have a record of all of OUR lost time, human history is it? Fascinating”
>Oh how exciting is to have a record of all of OUR lost time, human history is it? Fascinating
>a level where flood spent the entire time ooing over the flood but people were all muh 343 talked about humans mid conversation
Yes, I did. I actually played the games.
>or paid attention to any of the lines from Truth, Mercy, Mendicant Bias etc
The guys who are either apeshit or say treat them as separate?
Nice cope and 343s retcons will never change what Bungie meant all 3 characters were completely sane (other than the genocide) also Rampancy isn’t the retcon of AI schizophrenia in 343s universe
Dude, the ENTIRE basis of the story is that the Covenant's religion is invalidated by humanity existing, them being living Forerunners. If they weren't Forerunners, then the Human-Covenant war does not happen.
Nope. The entire basis would be invalidated by others being chosen too. It's Cain and Abel. It's knowing you were passed over and enviously murdering a brother.
Have your forgotten the Covenant's whole schtick is being a faction of multiple alien species? Partway through the war, a lot of the Covenant were beginning to wonder why the humans hadn't been offered a place in the Covenant yet.
Prophet jelly
There's some sense in what Truth, Regret, and Mercy did upon finding out. They knew that the knowledge of living Forerunners would break the Covenant and cause their entire civilization to collapse. They had to lie, and get into positions of power to maintain the lie.
There wasn't originally any manner of "being chosen" by anyone. Covenant "theology" is unlike anything else I've really seen, except for maybe Scientology or something.
It's not so simple. Let me explain what the Covenant believe:
>there was an ancient and powerful race called the Forerunners
>the Forerunners saw how shit the universe was, you succumb to death and entropy means it's all doomed anyways
>Forerunners build Halo Array
>Halo basically raptures them to a higher plane of existence where there is no entropy or death and they live on as powerful godlike beings forever
>the Covenant want to do what they did and become gods too
The problem is that if there are living Forerunners, then that's all hogwash. They were supposed to have ascended to become gods, they can't still be here.
Further, the 3 Hierarchs we know and love knew that the Covenant religion was a lie, as told to them before they gained power by Mendicant Bias, who was on the Dreadnought (Cortana is referring to him in Halo 2 when she mentions that the "Covenant AI" is extremely formidable). They gained control over the Covenant solely to ensure the lie remained hidden and the Covenant's civilization wouldn't collapse. To that end, it meant destroying the evidence.
The Prophets can easily say they're descendants or genetic alikes because of random chance in a galaxy full of life. They can also easily no true Scotsman by saying they are mistaken for them if they're the same species.
They could, if not for a glaring issue with how the Covenant finds artifacts. They have these things called Luminaries, devices that scan for Forerunner technology. The Covenant have mistakenly translated the symbol for "reclaimer" as "reclamation".
A small error perhaps, given how I certainly can't make heads or tails of those Forerunner symbols. But a fatal one. They took the symbols to mean "technology to be reclaimed" rather than "living Forerunners who will reclaim what was lost". This symbol mostly marks humans, and a little technology intended for the reclaimers.
This was a big problem when they ran into humans. The first interaction was with a freighter. They saw the symbol, boarded the ship, and a Grunt and Engineer were forced to kill the space trucker in self defense. After he died, the symbol went away, and the scouting party assumed it was an error.
Then they found Harvest, and the planet was fricking full of the symbols. They do still hold that Forerunner technology is sacred in some sense, so it can't possibly be wrong. They would eventually begin to question something, either the holy technology is wrong or flawed or it's right and these are their supposed gods that shouldn't be there. If nothing else, it would cause a revolt against the prophets.
The engineers were said to be holy because they were made by Forerunners. Just bullshit an excuse like they were made to guide people to the Rings.
Alright, suppose they do that. Now, where are the rings, human?
Something tells me that lasts all of 5 seconds before something goes sideways. Plus, there are unknowns. The Covenant hadn't yet encountered humanity, Truth and friends were only told of them by Bias. What if humanity knows their origins?
Regret b***hes about the monitors knowing nothing about the Great Journey while still calling 2401 an oracle. Humanity being a species designed as a key is all that's needed
That's cherrypicking. Most of Halo's enemies aren't Brutes taking armor off.
Give me a minute to download h4 so I can show you what a bullshit argument that is
You know what if I was shown the bottom on its own, I wouldn't know if shields were there or not?
you can visibly see the blood splatter
Where?
On the ground? And a blood splatter wouldn't be from an initial plasma pistol charged shot. It'd be from a hit after.
How are you going to prove
wrong? besides
being a 3 Brute, he's right that Reach Brutes armor lock without armor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=2sygwQf7yIY
It's almost like reach brutes don't have a shield vs. unshielded state and armor lock is completely irrelevant to the topic in the first place
It's like asking "how can you tell a grunt's shields are down?" when grunts don't even have shields. What's your point?
In Halo: Reach, only Jiralhanae chieftains wear power armor. It is more resilient than the armor worn by chieftains in Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST, potentially requiring multiple MA37 assault rifle magazines to disable. This version of the power armor features regenerating shields. Though Captain Majors are fully armored, they do not have shields. However, all ranks can use Armor Lock.
Yeah and guess what, they have the same style of easily visible shield flickering when they take damage and shield static when its down just like the elites do. Again, what's your point?
>It's almost like reach brutes don't have a shield vs. unshielded stat
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Do you not see the hypocrisy of your own link where you can visibly tell when their shields are down vs. recharging?
Show me the same effect on promethean knights
>he actually doesn't know most halos dont
They do.
>in air
>That's cherrypicking
>all biological enemies bleed and leave pools and splatters of (often fluorescent) blood
>elite shields pop in a glorious sparky fashion
>jackal shields change color as they lose their charge before sparking out completely
>hunter armor eventually started showing signs of damage
>grunts have no shields and blood splatters everywhere as you blast them, when engineers showed up their shield is a bright blue
>engineers' crystal crack and pop when you punch through their shielding
>sentinels and other forerunner bots take visible damage, even back in CE they would explode and billow smoke as you damaged them
>flood combat forms lose limbs and bleed green coagulated mushroom blood
>pod carriers slow to a standstill and jiggle until they explode
>infection pods explode like they're wet paper
>all vehicles since CE(except the invincible human ones) would billow smoke, spark, explode, etc
You've never played Halo
Overshields
>>all biological enemies bleed and leave pools and splatters of (often fluorescent) blood
Not really. Flood just make pieces.
They leave sickly green splatters/pools
Their blood is fluorescent sherbet orange. It's been incredibly obvious when you deal damage to hunters since the first game.
>all biological enemies bleed....
Did you morons even comprehend my post?
they're 343 shills, they can't comprehend anything
>people with eyes are 343 shills
armor eventually
>eventually
So not in all Halo?
Prometheans do visibility take damage.
Nobody played Halo 5 so nobody is familiar with that. 4 was many people's last Halo game.
>shields that are visible only when damage is taken
Anon, you're not making the point you think you do.
And fricking watchers explode and make pieces on the ground. Woopty do.
Halo stopped being cool years ago. ODST was a shitty map pack, Reach a was a god forsaken shitty cod clone, can you all move on?
After playing farther, I found the Prometheans do have blood splatters. They just look so much alike red normal blood that I didn't notice it. Either it's them or they coded Chief's blood to splatter before shields are down and from the enemy a visible distance away. https://files.catbox.moe/d45pes.mp4
I can't even tell where the blood is coming from. There's about 4 different visual effects going on for a single promethean and none of them are telegraphing any sort of blood or gore effect
>shooting enemy, looks down at where enemy was
Dude, he made that video easier to follow than a preschool class.
ok, draw a red circle showing where the blood is leaving the knight's body
You're not that mentally handicapped. https://files.catbox.moe/mmp3b9.mp4
You still haven't shown me where the blood is coming from, only that there's blood on the floor.
I see it okay.
Based Blind anon
>There's about 4 different visual effects going on
Anon suffering from sensory overload from that?
Frick off /k/ halogays. You're all as moronic as this. Basic walking outside is too much sensory overload.
Your franchise is dead and buried. It was okay at best but never actually good. Now bullpups.
NTA but
>Cain and Abel
is a good enough explanation. Cain was extremely jealous and didn't ask for how to improve or integrate Abel's better methods. He wanted death to his brother.
In that case, why not secretly allow humanity in? Mythological demi-gods throughout history were well respected figures like Hercules. Having your own gods be either sub servant or part of your system is like if a prophet or saint came along and asked to join.
cope, humans are forerunners or at the very least made in the image of forerunners. 343 fans and 343 defenders are slowly but surely getting ejected from the remnants of this fanbase. staten got the last word in with contact harvest cope and seethe.
>muh 343
>muh staten
Bungie did it while Staten was on sabbatical. They all pushed it forward. Choices don't get made by a single person. Your shitty childhood company who wanted Sprint in Halo 2 and cried buckets of tears when Call of Duty stole all their players did it. Say 343 all you want, they were the ones who didn't want Halo to be dead and buried, like it should've been.
more crying and gnashing of teeth won't change the truth 343 troon. frick off and play more shitfinite if you can find a match in that dead game lmao.
Guy kocked halo in general dipsh8t
>343 troon
Enjoy your delusions. Halo should've never went past 3. 3 too should never have happened. And 2 either. The developers all wanted a standalone.
This is actually true. The developers didn't want a franchise but were pushed to make more because of their contract.
>and cried buckets of tears when Call of Duty stole all their players
Good times. I was there on forums when it happened. People on gamefaqs or Bungie forums complaining about the newest game, complaining about their 360s RRoDing, or bemoaning CoD being the newhotness.
It's 2020s. People are playing Modern Warfare, Playstation has no games, the times sure haven't changed.
Not always. There's all sorts of IRL people saying they're reclaiming an old culture or inheritance they were never part of. It's a thing people do
>Your lands, which you were in before us, is actually ours and we reclaim it.
Also reclaimers were labeled different people.
This.
>waaaah muh rogue bungay employee everybody else gud bois!
If only everyone knew how disorganized or contradictory all of the shit were.
's Cradle of Life advertising campaign was one of the few being consistent. Even Staten said that Halo 3's writing was made through a number of agreements while also saying Halo 3 was all about who shouted louder.
Under Bungie, Humans were the chosen race to be successors of the Forerunners, hence why only humans can interface with their technology. The fact they even look the same is precisely WHY the Covenant is at war with the humans in the first place - because the prophets shoved anti-human propaganda down their throats to mask the fact that Humans were the chosen ones and not the Prophets.
>Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.
I always thought that was a leftover from when Halo was set in Marathon's universe. Now I know Master Chief was secretly thousands of years old and spoke to 343 GS. I also know that Master Chief's parents were aliens.
>You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind.
Master Chief's parents being aliens would explain why lists Chief as different from humans. Because he's an alien all along.
No, he was a cyborg the entire time. The games themselves have Marines say
>Oh, a Mark IV!
rather than
>Oh, a Spartan!
I mean, who would do that unless it's hardware? Why would the model of his armor be more important than him being a super soldier Spartan, unless the CE manual openly stated they were cyborgs and thus Chief is close to hardware? Even the 1st mission says
>Constructs and Cyborgs First!
Not to mention if you shoot any marine then Cortana says he's gone Rampany. Rampancy is a Marathon concept, you're right about originally set in Marathon, but humans don't go rampant. AIs so.
Chief can't be an alien because he is a child soldier cyborg constructed by the UNSC.
Also
>Chief
>steel and nerve
>Arby
>flesh and faith
If Chief was as flesh as Arby, why's it worth mentioning? Steel and nerve. Chief was intended to be a cyborg way before 2001. In the original E3 announcement (can't remember the year), before Microsoft bought the IP rights and changed the game in a FPS, Chief had a robotic voice.
Chief's neural lace connects him to his armor. His armor is directly connected to his nervous system. The neural lace itself already makes him a cyborg. The armor makes him a modular cyborg.
Nope, the original trailer audio has him with a robot voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEVz0KyQDt8
Thank god his final voice was planned and way better
>Marathon
To this day, I do not understand why Marathon had to be an Extraction Shooter.
Bungie chasing the next fad. What's new?
How many players are they going to gain from the Marathon brand?
None. And they found it funny to ask the Tarkov players, of all stockholm syndrome fanbases, if they would play it on release after testing. It's not even a plot twist all of them said no. If they have any idea what Tarkov players, and not other extraction shooter players, wanted then they'd know even the world's best gameplay can't get them. The overall style is too different. I'm shocked that Bungie thought they had any chance.
He was born on Eridanus II, kidnapped as a grade schooler like every other Spartan. 343 was either going senile or rampant in all likelihood. There's a slight possibility it relates to the end of Marathon, where you escape the heat death of the universe with your AI god and enter the next one to rule over it as deities, but I doubt it.
Don't they only refer to Chief as a Mark V in CE? IIRC at that point it wasn't yet clear if Halo would be an extension or spiritual successor to Marathon yet, so concepts got borrowed here and there. By Halo 2 they committed to Halo being its own thing, but left a couple nods to Marathon here and there, like some superstition among Elites that Spartans were reanimated warriors returned from the dead to fight again. This is exactly what the Mjolnir cyborgs in Marathon are, but they only went up to like Mark IV, whereas Chief was a Mark V in the first game, implying he's more advanced than those. Also yeah, Mjolnir was carried over too, but as the name of the armor and not the one inside.
Machine and nerve. Could refer to the power armor and Cortana. Chief could technically still be called a cyborg of sorts given his neural interface, but that's a standard UNSC augmentation.
>Halo 2 they committed to Halo being its own thing
Anon tells a funny
Anon tells another funny
>No, he was a cyborg the entire time.
>He was born on Eridanus II, kidnapped as a grade schooler like every other Spartan.
Wrong. He is the literal child of Forerunners who made 343 GS. He spoke to 343 GS over a thousand years before the current Halo games.
>Chief could technically still be called a cyborg
Wouldn't the nerve work and HGH implant count too?
That was a bunch of incomplete plans in H2 then by the time H3 happened there's everything from the terminals to official marketing campaigns that say they're different.
Halo was always lore being secondary, which is why Bungie and 343 both repeatedly contradict themselves every game. One of their old ideas was Forerunners riding dinosaurs. All of these were scrapped somewhat early.
Is the portal made out of dirt or was this drawn by someone else of the portal bring buried and Frank O’Connor just wrote the contradictory text after
Holy shit is this PrepHole or are you guys just naturally moronic?
>We never got a level based on the Halo 3 Believe diorama where UNSC and Covenant are just slugging it out
>We never got a Gravemind boss fight.
Halo 3 is still my favorite Halo but I wish the campaign was a bit longer
>The Flood, as far as I can remember, was something that Jason talked about purely as a gameplay twist. This is the enemy we could introduce to change the gameplay dynamic. It had to be horrifying. Beyond that, there was nothing fleshed out.
>So, I started putting together all kinds of different sketches and ideas. Originally – and this is sort of funny considering how militantly opposed I became to the idea after the fact – the Flood was an engineered weapon.
>Basically a living, intelligent mine field that the Covenant seeded the worlds on the edge of their space with. You showed up on one of their planets and you were screwed as soon as you made landfall.
>[…] Griesemer wrote up a really interesting alternative story (and he was the guy who coined the term 'Gravemind' as well.) Basically, in his early version, the Flood was a type of meningitis that somehow made a life form more aggressive, but also made them more intelligent, so it was this rite of passage. When males reached a certain age, they'd be hit in the head and tossed into this mass grave. They'd come out smarter, but looking for a fight.
I hate mystery so much. Why couldn't Bungie have went with their original ideas of the Flood being a bio-weapon rather than cosmic unknown horror? Why couldn't they keep Chief a cyborg? Why couldn't they do
>They were going to be riding thornbeasts, herding blind wolves, in bamboo armor that made them look alien. But when the mask came off... HUMAN! This idea was VERY short lived, but we hinted at it in the stone structures on Halo 2. But, that wasn't definitive, either.
Where it wasn't short lived they ditched during Halo 2 but 343 GS came back and revealed they had bamboo armor? I'm robbed. I want fricking cavemen Forerunners. Frick advanced technology I want the Old Ones to come back as hunter-gatherers with less tech than a feral world. I want my fricking cavemen.
Well, the MSBS has a bullpop version. Some guns have bullpup versions of themselves even in this decade. They're niche but I doubt bullpups will ever completely disappear so if there's ever some awesome advancement which only benefits bullpups, then sure.
True. Bullpups still get new releases. BTW, are the NGSW guns that didn't get chosen going to hit the civilian market?
Apparently yes
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/rifles/true-velocity-the-genesis-the-civilian-version-of-the-rm277-ngsw/
Who knew that the pistol in CE was loaded with high explosive ammunition?
Wasn't it said in the game booklet that it was? I know the booklet had info on all the cartridges that the human weapons fired
Remember when Halo fans said Halo 3 ruined everything about Halo 2?
>Halo 3, where Bungie ruined everything. On its own, Halo 2 was money, and there was tons of mystery.
>Was Truth playing the elites all as fools? Why did Regret jump the gun? What was Cortana going to do on High Charity?
>Then Halo 3 tells us No, doesn't matter, and nothing.
https://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive35.pl?read=1052235
Are Bullpup PKMs actually better than normal PKMs?
Give machinegun
Reminder
WTF is second from above?
I want my cavemen
Frick off Halogays. Your games were never more than tolerable for 10 year Olds. The plot never made sense, the weapons and armor stupid, try something better
>343 shill starts sperging out when he realizes he lost the argument
lmao
>can't address arguments
No because they're ergonomics suck.
Why? Is there something wrong with traditional designs? ARs, AKs, even China ditched bullpups.
It was pretty stupid to have a huge frickoff flashlight underslung for a future service rifle when we had nods standard issue for regular infantry in 2000. They could have had a 40mm tandem warhead HEDP grenade that could one shot elites instead. It's hard to believe that after ten years of fighting the covenant they wouldn't have developed a weapon that at least gave parity to the individual marine with an elite.
The lore explanation is that elites were rarely deployed. But I don't see that in Halo reach.
Judging by early screenshots and early 3rd person builds calling it a
>MA-5 ICW/30mm CGL
Apparently there was meant to be an underslung grenade launcher at the bottom at some point in development.
The earliest concept arts have two magazines of different sizes, implying a mag-fed underslung weapon. The Assault Rifle went under many iterations with some being very, very XM29 OICW.
If any more proof is needed, here's an older screenshot of the underslung grenade launcher being used. Halo went from RTS, to third-person, to first-person and many design iterations.
>Halo went from RTS,
Kinda funny to think it could have been a forgotten starcraft knockoff instead of the most significant FPS of the 2000s. The standard by which everything is measured today.
While fascinating, can we talk about bullpups instead of this shitty sci fi franchise?
good bread
>anything beyond Halo Reach
Not canon
>anything exclusively by 343
Not canon
>books
Not canon
>Forerunners
Human
>Rookie
Not dead.
>after Reach
>the biggest plot hole in the franchise
Even on its own, it's completely illogical. It's a plot singularity.
>books not canon
FoR, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact Harvest and the Cole Protocol are all great
Reach was actually supposed to expand on FoR but Frank O’Connor who absolutely despises Nylund has a hand in the development
It gets makes more sense if you use head canon to make it take place from August 29th-30th and how the covenant were actually jamming the entire side of the planet until Tip of the Spear which is when the Fleet of Particular Justice first arrived, not great but O’Connor was likely the reason why Reach’s story turned out that way
BR if I want a better game.
DMR if I want to complete destroy the weapon balance.