It is already and not yet at the end of your sentence.
While the Tejas first flew in 2001 versus the F-35 in 2006, so not a huge difference, I'd want the more stealthy aircraft that the Pakistanis and Chinese will be in terror of and not the flying radar cross section aircraft.
The Spanish Conquest of America is what The British Raj should have been. India deserves to be depopulated along with the rest of the Pakistani tribal belt escapees
>The Spanish Conquest of America is what The British Raj should have been
That's gypsies. Imagine 1.5 billion gypsies unleashed on the world. Even streetshitters are preferable.
Nah fuck pajeets, they are not trustworthy
Instead of trying to lure them away from russia, better support pakis to create conflict with poos and keep them occupied
You will be suprised amout of us tech india owns p8 Poseidon,predators,cj 130,c17, Apache,Seahawks,some minor sam launcher,engine for Tejas ge 404/414.
Im aware.
Im also aware that those things you listed are export models. There is no export model F-35. You buy the F-35, you get the same thing the US has.
dumb waste of tech and money for both sides. Pajeets are too fucking stupid to actually manage the craft while, of course, also selling all its secrets they can get out of it in pure jealous spite. Like the turdies they are.
Russhitias garbage is far more on their level as it is made with retards operating them in mind. They barely work and are overall shit but you can spam more of them at higher prolonged costs. This is beneficial to keep the poos wasting their modest wallet on superficial ego projects they dont really need. Just like vatnikstan has a navy and air force that effectively are broken in a actual war.
The F-35 has no secrets that haven't been stolen, but the "global south" and China cannot comprehend American space magic. The J-20 is their best try and that thing is less stealthy than a Nighthawk.
Agreed. Why would you give the most powerful aerial weapons system in the world to a totalitarian Russia-alligned autocracy that can't even provide plumbing for the majority of its population? If nothing else it's a waste of resources, the F-35s greatest strength is its battlefield awareness, networking, and electronic warfare capabilities, something that you actually need an intelligent military to take advantage of. India took 4 decades to build less than 50 Tejas and they're worse than the Gripen in every way.
Russia supplies all of the fertilizer and most of the energy that India needs to keep its marginal agricultural land functional. Until the US can secure an alternate supply to keep India from starving, India is going to keep giving Ukraine the finger t
We realized that even if they stole the plans they can't fucking make it because their advanced industrial facilities aren't capable of making the parts needed at the tolerances required.
We could hand them a fully functional F35 and it wouldn't matter, it would take them ten years to make a second one, and by that time whatever crazy shit comes out in the meantime will make it irrelevant.
its literally f16 with a f22 body and less weapons bay atleast on export monkey models on europe and asia >inb4 muh 360 camera
why would you need a camera on engagements thats 100+km away
f 16 are only allowed to defend mainland.thay can't attack with.thats the term to buy those crafts.and main reason we are not buying them ,we don't know when us will get offended and stop the spare parts.
We do know that. You have Russian air defense systems. You will never get the F-35. >us will try to sell watered down version.lesser radar and ew suite capability
This doesnt exist. There is no export version of the F-35, and they arnt going to spend time and money to make a retard version for India.
The US has never even hinted at offering the F-35 to India once, youre too close to Russia and therefor not trustworthy.
There was no export version of p8 Poseidon.it was specially created. f35 was brought at defence air show in india. So thay are giving it a thought .
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>There was no export version of p8 Poseidon.it was specially created
Complete nonsense. They didnt create anything, they just withheld some equipment. >In January 2008, Boeing proposed the P-8I, a customized export variant of the P-8A, for the Indian Navy.[69] It features two major components not fitted on the P-8A, a Telephonics APS-143 OceanEye aft radar and a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD)
The P-8 is just a 747, it in no way compares to the complexity of the F-35 which you think they can just remove and add random radars and EW suites like legos or something.
>f35 was brought at defence air show in india. So thay are giving it a thought
They arnt giving it a thought at all. Its never once been offered.
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By created that's what I meant .why can't aircraft parts cant be replaced what are you talking about . You are saying Lockheed too dump to replace radar with inferior one.thay are playing diplomatic cat and mouse game.than what the fuck was need to bring it to air show.thay are trying to align us towards them but cost we have to pay for it will be dear.
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>why can't aircraft parts cant be replaced what are you talking about
Because the F-35 is a much more complex system to customize than the P-8. It takes a long time and cost quite a lot of money to do so. Just look how long it takes to get weapons certified. Why would Lockheed Martin do this? For India just to buy 20-30 F-35s? Not going to happen. Especially not since YOU HAVE RUSSIAN AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS. They Kicked Turkey out for this very reason. >thay are playing diplomatic cat and mouse game.than what the fuck was need to bring it to air show.
They also brought a B1 to the airshow, you think they are going to offer the Lancer to India to now? >thay are trying to align us towards them but cost we have to pay for it will be dear.
Continuing to rely on Russian tech that clearly has no future will be whats truly dear for India. China figured this out decades ago.
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complex yes but thay are willing to do it for f21 for 30 - 40 planes .b1 planes are not on our doctrine or any countries for that matter.and what's so great about b1 anyways.
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>complex yes but thay are willing to do it for f21
The F-21 is still just a F-16, Its been a solved platform for over 30 years now. >b1 planes are not on our doctrine or any countries for that matter.and what's so great about b1 anyways.
It was a trick question you mong. The B1-B isnt for export and isnt even in production anymore.
My point was refuting your claim that because they brought something to a airshow, they are trying to sell it to India. They arnt.
The only thing the US is trying to sell to you right now are F-18s for your carrier competition.
>Maybe thay were offering overpriced craft too as no one is buying it.
Countries are lined up down the street to buy F-35s, and countries that already have them keep ordering more. The F-35A only costs 79 million these days which makes it cheaper than most 4th gens.
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By Overpriced i meant b1 not f35 .
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i don't follow aircraft like b1.so why thay bought f35 not f18 or f16/f21.what was the need for it.why the need to show it .why need to grow interest of it.
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>why thay bought f35 not f18 or f16/f21
They did bring the F-18/F-16 to the airshow in India. >what was the need for it.why the need to show it
Its a airshow. They get international press. >why need to grow interest of it.
Because the US is also trying to convince India to buy the F-18 for the carrier competition the India is holding currently.
Your English is also giving me brain damage. Please do the needful and stop sir.
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Why does f35 need press it's in high demand.so thier must be connection as you said thay are trying to convince to buy f18.so what's the connection .see you are right thier apply your brain little more .
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For the last time SIR, The US has never offered the F-35 to India. Just because it shows up at a airshow doesnt mean they are trying to sell it to India.
It was in Paris in 2017, does that mean they were trying to sell them to France? No, it doesnt.
I think im done indulging in your poo encrusted logic chains and conspiracy theories now. You arnt getting the F-35. Never ever.
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You can't compare France to india.its a nato ally.and maybe Lockheed were even trying to sell them to France.thay will happily sell them to screw thier mic.
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Maybe thay were offering overpriced craft too as no one is buying it.
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And Radar/mad and ew suite was replaced with lesser one.not not fitted at all.
You don't know that .us will try to sell watered down version.lesser radar and ew suite capability .
The US won't offer to sell you a watered down version of the F-35 because the US isn't going to offer to let you buy any version of the F-35. Have fun deterring Pakistan and China with the thirty-years-too-late HAL Tejas. Last I checked, y'all could build up to eight of them a year. Or rather, you can build them provided Russia, Israel, France, and the United States all remain willing to sell you the 25% of the Tejas' components which aren't indigenous (i.e. the engine, avionics, radar, sensors, targeting systems, and every missile and PGM that isn't DRDO vaporware "planned" for adoption at an unspecified date lol).
Do you think India's MiG-21s will get retired when the HAL Tejas' initial production run is finished or will they have already crashed by then?
The poos a joke, but if they have the money let them buy it. If it gets them off Russia’s dirty money then fine. Selling the tech to China is fine as China does not and will not (any time soon) have the industrial base to make anything remotely like an F-35. So, who cares let the poos sell what they can.
Not unless they withdraw from BRICS and openly denounce the war in Ukraine. I like India and think they’re a valuable QUAD ally, however their flirtation with Russia needs to end
Impossible, when you have 10 billion people or however many pajeets there are you need lots of cheap oil and gas to sustain them which is where Russia comes in.
Lots of newfags in this thread. Protip; China obtained the blueprints for the F35 along time ago via hacking which means Russia and anyone else close to China got access to those plans: >https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/hacked-how-china-stole-us-technology-its-j-20-stealth-fighter-66231 >https://eurasiantimes.com/chinese-stealth-espionage-us-tech-used-in-its-f-22-f-35-fighter/
yeah bro they stole the entire blue prints, they'll just disable them with a push of a button
How much 4chan brain damage do you need to suffer to believe this?
>does India deserve to pay for a flying pig that chews money and is not combat viable without carrier support?
I think Indians deserve a government that doesn't waste money on military posturing.
It always seemed ridiculous to me that the US continued to ally itself with Pakistan vs India. Pakistan fucking hates us and does nothing but prop up terrorist groups yet we still give them weapons for some retarded reason. India does some retarded shit, but it would be way easier to get along with them since our geopolitical interests are actually aligned for the most part
India made the first move so the US's choices were either do nothing, accept the consolation prize of Pakistan and move on with the world, or try to outbribe the USSR. The only thing that has changed since then is Russia is quickly on it's way to becoming a non-issue and India fucking hates China while Pakistan is more willing to play ball with the chinks in addition to having proven themselves to be a bunch of traitors over the past 20 years, so if India would stop being le epig fence sitters who're totally playing both sides, the US would be happy to extend a hand but unfortunately they're too dumb just like the watermelon salesman in Turkey who at least got into the US's good graces before going full retard.
India was offered the entire F-16 line before it was moved form Fort Worth TX to Greenville NC. The fools turned it down. India is more concerned about bribes and blackmail the russians can have em.
They were offered the Mirage 2k line from 1995 and COMPLETE ToT and EXPORT rights.
They turned it down to focus on Tejas which still isn't combat capable.
Indian retardation.
It was a good decision.although we have only 40 Tejas jets.we have developed MIC around it.now we are planning to build twin engine carrier based jet. And 5th gen jets development is in progress in its initial stage.it was not possible if we had accepted mirage production line.we have aesa,fly by wire,ew suite ,irst and what not just because of it.
>we have developed MIC
Israeli radar, Russian gun + missiles, British avionics and ejector seat, American engine + gearing/transmission system, French FCS + wing design, Japanese composite systems.
lmao
https://i.imgur.com/ZuGRugL.jpg
>They were offered the Mirage 2k line from 1995 and COMPLETE ToT and EXPORT rights.
No.
The Mirage 2000 was never built in India. All airframes were made in France. Worse, to this day HAL still has difficulties upgrading them to the 2000i standard up from the 2000h standard. >They turned it down to focus on Tejas which still isn't combat capable.
No. It's the opposite. India desperately wanted these Mirage, did not obtain them, so they tried to low-key copy the Mirage and did the Tejas instead. The number they were looking for was already 126 jets by the way when they wanted to buy the Mirage.
Then as the Mirage 2000 line was closing with its last customer being Greece for a small batch of Mirage 2000-5 mk2, India reiterated their "offer" to France, basically telling the frogs >Helloooo sirs please let us redeem Mirage 2000 line for cheap and then we make our needful own Mirage 2000 for cheap and we export it too
Dassault said "nope" and added the new product they were selling was the Rafale which at that point should have already been industrialized for 10 years. >Surprised indian Poo-kachu face ensued as the Mirage 2000 option disappeared forever after 601 airframes built.
That is why India launched the MMRCA for 126 aircrafts again in 2007, MMRCA which was ultimately won by the Rafale 5 years later in 2012, almost on the same premises (108 jets built in India by HAL with ToT and everything). Then discussions with HAL failed because these pricks suck, so prime minister Modi went with 36 Rafale jets in G2G with an offset clause.
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The Tejas has a US engine and an israeli radar. Its range is too small, it's MTOW too low. It will never be a good aircraft despite trying to copy the Mirage. And TEDBF which is a bad copy of the Rafale will never do the cut either if only it ever flies. What will happen is India is going to buy some new foreign fighters after the next air to air skirmish with China or Pakistan.
>Mirage 2000 was never built in India
Which is why I said they were offered in 1995, Dassult knew the M2K lines in France would need to shift towards Rafale production and offered all the systems + technicians to India. >did not obtain them
Airforce wanted them to counter PAF F-16's with Amraams, they got Sukhois instead due to government corruption/retardation. >Tejas copied Mirage
Tejas development started in the 70's, before the Mirage was finalised. They did have massive aid from Dassault in Tejas construction though. >Discussions with HAL failed
Because HAL wanted more workshare and they wanted Dassault to be blamed for project delays/issues which Dassault knew was going to happen as they're fucking Indians.
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>Which is why I said they were offered in 1995, Dassult knew the M2K lines in France would need to shift towards Rafale production and offered all the systems + technicians to India.
You haven't read what I wrote, the exact opposite happened and I explained in details how this failed attempt at getting Mirage for free was tied to the launch of the MMRCA programme which ironically ended up with another Dassault win.
Do you honestly believe Dassault would have sold the Rafale to India if they had in the meantime "sold" more Mirage, or rather transferred to India for a bargain the ability to build 126 Mirage 2000 jets and even to export some more?
Yeah I mean why not getting double teamed by Rajesh and Pajeet while their buddies are already busy banging your wife on the side am I right? WTF.
The most advanced versions of the Mirage 2000, the -5 and -9 were actually a hindrance to Rafale sales, as the capabilities of these jets were close to the standard F1 or F2 Rafale. After all, the MICA missile was originally planned for the Rafale and only got integrated onto the Mirage 2000 as a way to refresh the commercial offer. Which worked quite well as Taiwan, Greece, Qatar, UAE, got the -5, or -9 in the case of the UAE.
So I have no idea where you got that information but it never happened. Rather this idea France would just "transfer" the whole assembly line was born in the delusions of HAL. >Tejas development started in the 70's, before the Mirage was finalised. They did have massive aid from Dassault in Tejas construction though.
Anon it's common knowledge the Tejas dev started in 1983.
Meanwhile the Mirage 2000 was sold to India in 1982. Here's a 40 years old archived article from french newspaper le monde for proof: >https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1982/04/17/la-france-s-est-engagee-a-livrer-quarante-mirage-2000-a-l-inde_2902791_1819218.html
>They were offered the Mirage 2k line from 1995 and COMPLETE ToT and EXPORT rights.
No.
The Mirage 2000 was never built in India. All airframes were made in France. Worse, to this day HAL still has difficulties upgrading them to the 2000i standard up from the 2000h standard. >They turned it down to focus on Tejas which still isn't combat capable.
No. It's the opposite. India desperately wanted these Mirage, did not obtain them, so they tried to low-key copy the Mirage and did the Tejas instead. The number they were looking for was already 126 jets by the way when they wanted to buy the Mirage.
Then as the Mirage 2000 line was closing with its last customer being Greece for a small batch of Mirage 2000-5 mk2, India reiterated their "offer" to France, basically telling the frogs >Helloooo sirs please let us redeem Mirage 2000 line for cheap and then we make our needful own Mirage 2000 for cheap and we export it too
Dassault said "nope" and added the new product they were selling was the Rafale which at that point should have already been industrialized for 10 years. >Surprised indian Poo-kachu face ensued as the Mirage 2000 option disappeared forever after 601 airframes built.
That is why India launched the MMRCA for 126 aircrafts again in 2007, MMRCA which was ultimately won by the Rafale 5 years later in 2012, almost on the same premises (108 jets built in India by HAL with ToT and everything). Then discussions with HAL failed because these pricks suck, so prime minister Modi went with 36 Rafale jets in G2G with an offset clause.
It was a good decision.although we have only 40 Tejas jets.we have developed MIC around it.now we are planning to build twin engine carrier based jet. And 5th gen jets development is in progress in its initial stage.it was not possible if we had accepted mirage production line.we have aesa,fly by wire,ew suite ,irst and what not just because of it.
The Tejas has a US engine and an israeli radar. Its range is too small, it's MTOW too low. It will never be a good aircraft despite trying to copy the Mirage. And TEDBF which is a bad copy of the Rafale will never do the cut either if only it ever flies. What will happen is India is going to buy some new foreign fighters after the next air to air skirmish with China or Pakistan.
1) US has threatened to nuke India in the past while also parking carrier fleets across India
2) US has asked China to engage in a war against India before
3) US allowed nuke transfer technology from China->Pakistan (Both China/Pakistan were our allies against Russia)
4) Russia supported India when US threatened war against India by sending few of their destroyers out in the Indian ocean (and even had dogfights) in the Indian Ocean as a result
5) Russia/India has lot of joint ventures and long military ties
6) US wants to pull India from Asia alliance group of Russia/India/China at ALL COST.
India has no interest allying with Russia let alone China. They want to be a regional power, not join a new Cold War. So they do like the Kremlin's "multipolar world" stance but they aim to be one of those poles, not joining some alliance to fight the US or vice versa.
Seems far-fetched anon, tensions were a lot higher during the Cold War and India had the same nonaligned posture then and this never happened. Not to mention the US being much closer with Pak back then, India's leaders declaring themselves socialists, and a whole bunch of other stuff. I doubt we'll ever see it.
>Seems far-fetched anon, tensions were a lot higher during the Cold War
I would like to think so too, but here we are right now. US is directly and actively seeking escalation of the war
We'll revisit this in a later date. A year ago, it was whether our tanks, now we're closer to sending our jets, and maybe a year from now, it will be how many troops we'll be deploying. Etc etc.
and that is why pajeets are considered low iq
if they want to be one of the "poles", aka a major power, then they should be flexing their own muscles instead of latching onto other major powers, be it russia or US.
pajeets have it in their heads that they're guaranteed to become a global power like china simply because of population but the way things are going, they're going to stay an authoritarian poverty state for a long fucking time.
There are some countries that do a decent job of walking the line between West and russia/china but india is a textbook case on everything not to do.
India is not one person. There's much more internal politics within India than in China, Russia and the USA combined. Nobody is controlling the whole country.
Dude, multi polar world is a meme. Multi polar just means no US ships patrolling the oceans and gunpowder empires like Russia and China doing what the fuck they wish. There's no space for countries like India in a multi polar would because it only exists as it does now (united) due the UK and US allowing it, otherwise it would be like 90% of its existence, a fractured shithole of pajeets being ruled by a foreign power.
>1) US has threatened to nuke India in the past while also parking carrier fleets across India
The US has never threatened to nuke anyone. For some reason, every Indian thinks sailing an aircraft carrier through international waters was a nuclear threat as opposed to a "there's a regional war brewing and US citizens might need evacuation, thank god there's a big boat with a bunch of helicopters that's in range" precautionary thing. >2) US has asked China to engage in a war against India before
When was this? It wasn't the 1962 Sino-Indian War because we didn't have diplomatic relations with China until 1971. >3) US allowed nuke transfer technology from China->Pakistan (Both China/Pakistan were our allies against Russia)
What were we supposed to do about it? Also, did this actually happen outside of Indian newspapers? >4) Russia supported India when US threatened war against India by sending few of their destroyers out in the Indian ocean (and even had dogfights) in the Indian Ocean as a result
Dogfights? This is the point where make-believe becomes delusion. >5) Russia/India has lot of joint ventures and long military ties
OK. >6) US wants to pull India from Asia alliance group of Russia/India/China at ALL COST.
Since when is Russia-India-China an alliance? Two years ago, you and the Chinese were beating one another to death in border clashes.
Now it's time for some real mother fucking talk:
1. Russia thinks of China as a reluctant ally and India only as an export market.
2. China thinks of Russia as soon-to-be vassal state and India as a bunch of squatters that need to be evicted from the South Tibet Province.
3. India thinks of Russia as their bestest buddies forever and thinks about China as little as possible in hopes that the problem will somehow go away.
4. Russia is already on its deathbed, China is still in its ascendancy, and India doesn't have a plan.
5. You share a border with two unfriendly nuclear powers who have fought outright wars against you within living memory, and they both claim you are occupying their rightful territory.
6. India has a huge population but its infrastructure doesn't have much surplus capacity. If things ever go wrong, they will go very wrong, very quickly.
7. There's a real drive to move manufacturing and other businesses out of China and at the moment, it's not going to be moving to India. That's a lot of wealth to miss out on.
8. The 21st-century is going to be a wild time. War's back in a big way and the threat of climate change looms. We'll face all the old problems, all the modern problems, and a bunch of new problems we don't know about yet. We are all going to need help getting to the 22nd-century.
9. In theory, "non-aligned" means "friends with all". In practice, it means "on your own". Modern history is a team sport. No one, not even superpowers, can win on their own, and BRICS is a fucking meme. Supporting Russia in 2023 is like shackling yourself to a corpse. China's already picked a teammate and it's Pakistan. Now's your chance to pivot West. We'll drop Pakistan like a hot iron if it means India joins Team Not-China. And you're a fellow democracy. This shouldn't be a hard idea to sell or a hard choice to make. Fuck being a superpower by 2030. You can become one of the countries who make up the world's only hyperpower by 2024.
(2/2).
how are u going to pay for it burgerino? while your sovereign debt turns from asset into liability, your currency plummets and u're ostensibly against anything alive in war against carbon, how?
how is england going to bully anyone now into their thinking, without mighty empire and strong currency - yes that is u only worse very soon
>ow are u going to pay for it burgerino? while your sovereign debt turns from asset into liability, your currency plummets
Our currency plummeting isnt a problem; its a feature. (Hyper) inflating the currency makes the debt effectively smaller in real terms. Normally, people would abandon said currency, but if the country behind the currency can somehow entice more people to use it anyway, like, idk, to purchase much needed military equipment, then the demand side stays propped up anyway.
Your confusion is warranted. Its not me suggesting this, its the US gov fearing that BRICS might work. We've successfully isolated Brazil from RICS due to the geographical distances. But RIC is still going on. S might be getting fucked.
Pakistan is useful for its location if nothing else. Until 2021, we needed access to their airspace to operate in Afghanistan. And in the Cold War, Turkey was in NATO, Iran was solidly locked in as a US ally (at least, until the Shah was overthrown), which stopped the USSR from having land access to the Middle East. So long as we kept on friendly terms with Pakistan, the Soviets wouldn't have a logistical hub on the Arabian Sea. All that, combined with the Sino-Soviet split, meant that the USSR/Warsaw Pact were ringed in by unfriendly nations from Alaska and Canada across to the Greenland-Iceland-UK Gap, Norway, and the Danish Straits, down to Gibraltar and the Bosphorus, then to Iran, Pakistan, and China right up to the Korean border, and to cap it all off, having the Norks even didn't help the Soviets because Japan and South Korea bottled up the Yellow Sea and Sea of Japan. If it weren't for the Stalin taking the Kuril Islands, we would have surrounded Russia from Alaska to... Alaska. Then the Iranian revolution and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan made Pakistan geographically important itself, not just as part of the-rope-the-capitalists-decided-not-to-sell-after-all.
Why didn't we try to win over India? There's a reason why Nixon decided that CHAIRMAN MAO was a more reliable partner against the spread of communism. China hated the USSR as much as we did and we didn't have to worry about them because EVERYONE in Southeast Asia, (including the other communist countries) hates China. The only reason why Cambodia and China cooperated was they were both members of the Vietnam is Sick of Our Bullshit Club. Meanwhile, India was ruining whatever chance the Non-Proliferation Treaty had and announcing that friendship ended with non-alignment, now realpolitik was their best friend.
Fast forward to today and Pakistan "knowingly harboring bin Laden and fighting a 20-year proxy war against the US" has led to Americans viewing India/Pakistan as "no clear preference"
It always seemed ridiculous to me that the US continued to ally itself with Pakistan vs India. Pakistan fucking hates us and does nothing but prop up terrorist groups yet we still give them weapons for some retarded reason. India does some retarded shit, but it would be way easier to get along with them since our geopolitical interests are actually aligned for the most part
It is no secret that Indians speak really awful English. And a lot of them also seem to be under the impression that their English is excellent, or even better than that of British and American speakers.
But I have always wondered: if Indians from two different regions of India--who speak two completely different languages--speak English, can they understand each-other? Or do they regard each-other's English as poor?
You might ask, why are you bringing this up in a thread about fighter jets? Well, I want you to imagine a military (or a society) filled with such human beings, attempting to work in concert with this communication handicap.
>Does india deserve it
no >does india have the expertise to maintain it
no >does india have the opsec to be able to keep it secret
no >does india have the skilled pilots to fly it
no >is india firmly under U.S. block's influence
no >does india operate russian tech and allow russian experts on their soil
yes
More likely that India get's colonised again by East India company and Fleet Air Arm F-35B's are redeployed on Indian soil.
Maybe in 20 years when NGAD is flying and FCAS/Tempest is being sold. By then China will have 100's of J-20's, J-31's and Pakis may have their own stealth fighters too so it'll be a case of "trickle down" technology.
I really want to know how Indians react to the fact that their biggest military supplier is incapable of beating Ukraine and all the military blunders that came with it. Surely that would shake their confidence?
If they have the money for it
India already has cutting edge DOMESTIC fighter yet - the TEJAS
Is that how you say texas in Spanish?
Is an option but only used by old people, in Spain everybody says Texas
It means light or quick in hindi
we say Texas in spanish, sometimes using the old sound for X like in México
It is already and not yet at the end of your sentence.
While the Tejas first flew in 2001 versus the F-35 in 2006, so not a huge difference, I'd want the more stealthy aircraft that the Pakistanis and Chinese will be in terror of and not the flying radar cross section aircraft.
4th Gen. At best.
Still uses a US engine, GE F404.
>India already has cutting edge DOMESTIC x
but they manufacture none of them
The Spanish Conquest of America is what The British Raj should have been. India deserves to be depopulated along with the rest of the Pakistani tribal belt escapees
Spanish conquest depopulation largely was due to the introduction of new diseases. India wasn't as vulnerable.
Point taken, but word of law versus spirit of the law
>The Spanish Conquest of America is what The British Raj should have been
>wanting a mixed race of pajeet-bongs
Terrifying.
More like the British conquest of America is what the Raj should have been. Agree on the depopulation and fumigation.
>The Spanish Conquest of America is what The British Raj should have been
That's gypsies. Imagine 1.5 billion gypsies unleashed on the world. Even streetshitters are preferable.
Nah fuck pajeets, they are not trustworthy
Instead of trying to lure them away from russia, better support pakis to create conflict with poos and keep them occupied
Never going to happen.
Poos exclusively use Russian air defense systems, which is what got Turkey kick out of the F-35 program.
Never ever Ranjeet
You will be suprised amout of us tech india owns p8 Poseidon,predators,cj 130,c17, Apache,Seahawks,some minor sam launcher,engine for Tejas ge 404/414.
Im aware.
Im also aware that those things you listed are export models. There is no export model F-35. You buy the F-35, you get the same thing the US has.
>implying arms deals have consistent rules
NGMI
dumb waste of tech and money for both sides. Pajeets are too fucking stupid to actually manage the craft while, of course, also selling all its secrets they can get out of it in pure jealous spite. Like the turdies they are.
Russhitias garbage is far more on their level as it is made with retards operating them in mind. They barely work and are overall shit but you can spam more of them at higher prolonged costs. This is beneficial to keep the poos wasting their modest wallet on superficial ego projects they dont really need. Just like vatnikstan has a navy and air force that effectively are broken in a actual war.
The F-35 has no secrets that haven't been stolen, but the "global south" and China cannot comprehend American space magic. The J-20 is their best try and that thing is less stealthy than a Nighthawk.
J31 is almost on par with f35.
Second place is just first to lose.
Me walking into my backyard is almost reaching the moon
Never underestimate the Global South, they are the future.
And they always will be.
Agreed. Why would you give the most powerful aerial weapons system in the world to a totalitarian Russia-alligned autocracy that can't even provide plumbing for the majority of its population? If nothing else it's a waste of resources, the F-35s greatest strength is its battlefield awareness, networking, and electronic warfare capabilities, something that you actually need an intelligent military to take advantage of. India took 4 decades to build less than 50 Tejas and they're worse than the Gripen in every way.
>tossed tos
heh
Why on earth would India want to help Russia when Russia is trying to get help from China?
Russia and India have close ties.
Diplomacy is stupid, and trade is even dumber.
india hates pakistan more than they china? and west helped pakistan
Russia supplies all of the fertilizer and most of the energy that India needs to keep its marginal agricultural land functional. Until the US can secure an alternate supply to keep India from starving, India is going to keep giving Ukraine the finger t
They're not "helping Russia" you halfwit. They're buying cheap oil to help sustain their development and huge population
India does not want to help anyone. All these third world countries just play the larger countries against each other for maximum gibs
I like how we've just totally given up on protecting the technology in our main frontline fighter aircraft after china already stole all of it.
We realized that even if they stole the plans they can't fucking make it because their advanced industrial facilities aren't capable of making the parts needed at the tolerances required.
We could hand them a fully functional F35 and it wouldn't matter, it would take them ten years to make a second one, and by that time whatever crazy shit comes out in the meantime will make it irrelevant.
Also they have to spend several million dollars every few months to recoat the plane in its special radar paint, if they use them consistently.
t. Failed high school algebra, has never set foot in a machine shop
stole what? Are you a contrarian retard who thinks the F-35 has totally been backdoored by china?
The J20 is the same airframe
its literally f16 with a f22 body and less weapons bay atleast on export monkey models on europe and asia
>inb4 muh 360 camera
why would you need a camera on engagements thats 100+km away
Wrong, you can get a version with VTOL,
Bruh this is some bait. SU-57 body kit shit posting must have turned into projection.
How the fuck do we sell aircraft to both India and Pakistan?
Having to choose one then it is India since Pakistan is now a Chinese slave state.
f 16 are only allowed to defend mainland.thay can't attack with.thats the term to buy those crafts.and main reason we are not buying them ,we don't know when us will get offended and stop the spare parts.
No, but we'll make bank on the service contracts. It'll also probably get the Pakis to come groveling because they know we're still furious with them.
SIRS PLEASE TO BE GIVING US F-35
We won't buy it too costly.and radar going to be watered down version like p8i.
You arnt buying it because the US will never offer it to you SIR
You don't know that .us will try to sell watered down version.lesser radar and ew suite capability .
We do know that. You have Russian air defense systems. You will never get the F-35.
>us will try to sell watered down version.lesser radar and ew suite capability
This doesnt exist. There is no export version of the F-35, and they arnt going to spend time and money to make a retard version for India.
The US has never even hinted at offering the F-35 to India once, youre too close to Russia and therefor not trustworthy.
There was no export version of p8 Poseidon.it was specially created. f35 was brought at defence air show in india. So thay are giving it a thought .
>There was no export version of p8 Poseidon.it was specially created
Complete nonsense. They didnt create anything, they just withheld some equipment.
>In January 2008, Boeing proposed the P-8I, a customized export variant of the P-8A, for the Indian Navy.[69] It features two major components not fitted on the P-8A, a Telephonics APS-143 OceanEye aft radar and a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD)
The P-8 is just a 747, it in no way compares to the complexity of the F-35 which you think they can just remove and add random radars and EW suites like legos or something.
>f35 was brought at defence air show in india. So thay are giving it a thought
They arnt giving it a thought at all. Its never once been offered.
By created that's what I meant .why can't aircraft parts cant be replaced what are you talking about . You are saying Lockheed too dump to replace radar with inferior one.thay are playing diplomatic cat and mouse game.than what the fuck was need to bring it to air show.thay are trying to align us towards them but cost we have to pay for it will be dear.
>why can't aircraft parts cant be replaced what are you talking about
Because the F-35 is a much more complex system to customize than the P-8. It takes a long time and cost quite a lot of money to do so. Just look how long it takes to get weapons certified. Why would Lockheed Martin do this? For India just to buy 20-30 F-35s? Not going to happen. Especially not since YOU HAVE RUSSIAN AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS. They Kicked Turkey out for this very reason.
>thay are playing diplomatic cat and mouse game.than what the fuck was need to bring it to air show.
They also brought a B1 to the airshow, you think they are going to offer the Lancer to India to now?
>thay are trying to align us towards them but cost we have to pay for it will be dear.
Continuing to rely on Russian tech that clearly has no future will be whats truly dear for India. China figured this out decades ago.
complex yes but thay are willing to do it for f21 for 30 - 40 planes .b1 planes are not on our doctrine or any countries for that matter.and what's so great about b1 anyways.
>complex yes but thay are willing to do it for f21
The F-21 is still just a F-16, Its been a solved platform for over 30 years now.
>b1 planes are not on our doctrine or any countries for that matter.and what's so great about b1 anyways.
It was a trick question you mong. The B1-B isnt for export and isnt even in production anymore.
My point was refuting your claim that because they brought something to a airshow, they are trying to sell it to India. They arnt.
The only thing the US is trying to sell to you right now are F-18s for your carrier competition.
>Maybe thay were offering overpriced craft too as no one is buying it.
Countries are lined up down the street to buy F-35s, and countries that already have them keep ordering more. The F-35A only costs 79 million these days which makes it cheaper than most 4th gens.
By Overpriced i meant b1 not f35 .
i don't follow aircraft like b1.so why thay bought f35 not f18 or f16/f21.what was the need for it.why the need to show it .why need to grow interest of it.
>why thay bought f35 not f18 or f16/f21
They did bring the F-18/F-16 to the airshow in India.
>what was the need for it.why the need to show it
Its a airshow. They get international press.
>why need to grow interest of it.
Because the US is also trying to convince India to buy the F-18 for the carrier competition the India is holding currently.
Your English is also giving me brain damage. Please do the needful and stop sir.
Why does f35 need press it's in high demand.so thier must be connection as you said thay are trying to convince to buy f18.so what's the connection .see you are right thier apply your brain little more .
For the last time SIR, The US has never offered the F-35 to India. Just because it shows up at a airshow doesnt mean they are trying to sell it to India.
It was in Paris in 2017, does that mean they were trying to sell them to France? No, it doesnt.
I think im done indulging in your poo encrusted logic chains and conspiracy theories now. You arnt getting the F-35. Never ever.
You can't compare France to india.its a nato ally.and maybe Lockheed were even trying to sell them to France.thay will happily sell them to screw thier mic.
Maybe thay were offering overpriced craft too as no one is buying it.
And Radar/mad and ew suite was replaced with lesser one.not not fitted at all.
The US won't offer to sell you a watered down version of the F-35 because the US isn't going to offer to let you buy any version of the F-35. Have fun deterring Pakistan and China with the thirty-years-too-late HAL Tejas. Last I checked, y'all could build up to eight of them a year. Or rather, you can build them provided Russia, Israel, France, and the United States all remain willing to sell you the 25% of the Tejas' components which aren't indigenous (i.e. the engine, avionics, radar, sensors, targeting systems, and every missile and PGM that isn't DRDO vaporware "planned" for adoption at an unspecified date lol).
Do you think India's MiG-21s will get retired when the HAL Tejas' initial production run is finished or will they have already crashed by then?
BLOODY BASTARDS SHOW BOBS AND ONBOARD ELECTRONICS
>asiatimes
The poos a joke, but if they have the money let them buy it. If it gets them off Russia’s dirty money then fine. Selling the tech to China is fine as China does not and will not (any time soon) have the industrial base to make anything remotely like an F-35. So, who cares let the poos sell what they can.
Not unless they withdraw from BRICS and openly denounce the war in Ukraine. I like India and think they’re a valuable QUAD ally, however their flirtation with Russia needs to end
Impossible, when you have 10 billion people or however many pajeets there are you need lots of cheap oil and gas to sustain them which is where Russia comes in.
Flirtation? India is third in the world for guzzling Russia cum after Serbia and Victor Orban personally.
Lots of newfags in this thread. Protip; China obtained the blueprints for the F35 along time ago via hacking which means Russia and anyone else close to China got access to those plans:
>https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/hacked-how-china-stole-us-technology-its-j-20-stealth-fighter-66231
>https://eurasiantimes.com/chinese-stealth-espionage-us-tech-used-in-its-f-22-f-35-fighter/
yeah bro they stole the entire blue prints, they'll just disable them with a push of a button
How much 4chan brain damage do you need to suffer to believe this?
fighter jets are going to be made redundant by Mach v rockets and drones. it's a firesale before they're useless for anything but airshows.
Even if you did, legendary Indian Red Tape would fuck the deal up.
I cant Imagine Lockmart agreeing to Indian MOD's demands to be allowed to make it in India.
Make it india for this is imposible.thay are not that stupid to demand it.
Lmao someone's gonna get learned about Indian Overconfidence.
>does India deserve to pay for a flying pig that chews money and is not combat viable without carrier support?
I think Indians deserve a government that doesn't waste money on military posturing.
Every nation in the world has exactly the type of government their people deserve.
It always seemed ridiculous to me that the US continued to ally itself with Pakistan vs India. Pakistan fucking hates us and does nothing but prop up terrorist groups yet we still give them weapons for some retarded reason. India does some retarded shit, but it would be way easier to get along with them since our geopolitical interests are actually aligned for the most part
India made the first move so the US's choices were either do nothing, accept the consolation prize of Pakistan and move on with the world, or try to outbribe the USSR. The only thing that has changed since then is Russia is quickly on it's way to becoming a non-issue and India fucking hates China while Pakistan is more willing to play ball with the chinks in addition to having proven themselves to be a bunch of traitors over the past 20 years, so if India would stop being le epig fence sitters who're totally playing both sides, the US would be happy to extend a hand but unfortunately they're too dumb just like the watermelon salesman in Turkey who at least got into the US's good graces before going full retard.
India was offered the entire F-16 line before it was moved form Fort Worth TX to Greenville NC. The fools turned it down. India is more concerned about bribes and blackmail the russians can have em.
They were offered the Mirage 2k line from 1995 and COMPLETE ToT and EXPORT rights.
They turned it down to focus on Tejas which still isn't combat capable.
Indian retardation.
It was a good decision.although we have only 40 Tejas jets.we have developed MIC around it.now we are planning to build twin engine carrier based jet. And 5th gen jets development is in progress in its initial stage.it was not possible if we had accepted mirage production line.we have aesa,fly by wire,ew suite ,irst and what not just because of it.
>we have developed MIC
Israeli radar, Russian gun + missiles, British avionics and ejector seat, American engine + gearing/transmission system, French FCS + wing design, Japanese composite systems.
lmao
>Mirage 2000 was never built in India
Which is why I said they were offered in 1995, Dassult knew the M2K lines in France would need to shift towards Rafale production and offered all the systems + technicians to India.
>did not obtain them
Airforce wanted them to counter PAF F-16's with Amraams, they got Sukhois instead due to government corruption/retardation.
>Tejas copied Mirage
Tejas development started in the 70's, before the Mirage was finalised. They did have massive aid from Dassault in Tejas construction though.
>Discussions with HAL failed
Because HAL wanted more workshare and they wanted Dassault to be blamed for project delays/issues which Dassault knew was going to happen as they're fucking Indians.
>Which is why I said they were offered in 1995, Dassult knew the M2K lines in France would need to shift towards Rafale production and offered all the systems + technicians to India.
You haven't read what I wrote, the exact opposite happened and I explained in details how this failed attempt at getting Mirage for free was tied to the launch of the MMRCA programme which ironically ended up with another Dassault win.
Do you honestly believe Dassault would have sold the Rafale to India if they had in the meantime "sold" more Mirage, or rather transferred to India for a bargain the ability to build 126 Mirage 2000 jets and even to export some more?
Yeah I mean why not getting double teamed by Rajesh and Pajeet while their buddies are already busy banging your wife on the side am I right? WTF.
The most advanced versions of the Mirage 2000, the -5 and -9 were actually a hindrance to Rafale sales, as the capabilities of these jets were close to the standard F1 or F2 Rafale. After all, the MICA missile was originally planned for the Rafale and only got integrated onto the Mirage 2000 as a way to refresh the commercial offer. Which worked quite well as Taiwan, Greece, Qatar, UAE, got the -5, or -9 in the case of the UAE.
So I have no idea where you got that information but it never happened. Rather this idea France would just "transfer" the whole assembly line was born in the delusions of HAL.
>Tejas development started in the 70's, before the Mirage was finalised. They did have massive aid from Dassault in Tejas construction though.
Anon it's common knowledge the Tejas dev started in 1983.
Meanwhile the Mirage 2000 was sold to India in 1982. Here's a 40 years old archived article from french newspaper le monde for proof:
>https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1982/04/17/la-france-s-est-engagee-a-livrer-quarante-mirage-2000-a-l-inde_2902791_1819218.html
>They were offered the Mirage 2k line from 1995 and COMPLETE ToT and EXPORT rights.
No.
The Mirage 2000 was never built in India. All airframes were made in France. Worse, to this day HAL still has difficulties upgrading them to the 2000i standard up from the 2000h standard.
>They turned it down to focus on Tejas which still isn't combat capable.
No. It's the opposite. India desperately wanted these Mirage, did not obtain them, so they tried to low-key copy the Mirage and did the Tejas instead. The number they were looking for was already 126 jets by the way when they wanted to buy the Mirage.
Then as the Mirage 2000 line was closing with its last customer being Greece for a small batch of Mirage 2000-5 mk2, India reiterated their "offer" to France, basically telling the frogs
>Helloooo sirs please let us redeem Mirage 2000 line for cheap and then we make our needful own Mirage 2000 for cheap and we export it too
Dassault said "nope" and added the new product they were selling was the Rafale which at that point should have already been industrialized for 10 years.
>Surprised indian Poo-kachu face ensued as the Mirage 2000 option disappeared forever after 601 airframes built.
That is why India launched the MMRCA for 126 aircrafts again in 2007, MMRCA which was ultimately won by the Rafale 5 years later in 2012, almost on the same premises (108 jets built in India by HAL with ToT and everything). Then discussions with HAL failed because these pricks suck, so prime minister Modi went with 36 Rafale jets in G2G with an offset clause.
The Tejas has a US engine and an israeli radar. Its range is too small, it's MTOW too low. It will never be a good aircraft despite trying to copy the Mirage. And TEDBF which is a bad copy of the Rafale will never do the cut either if only it ever flies. What will happen is India is going to buy some new foreign fighters after the next air to air skirmish with China or Pakistan.
Pajeets will drop thousands of tons of feces from these larks.
BIDEN SAHIB REDEEM THE F35 FUCKING
India would get halfway into the project, try to cheat the contract, and end up with nothing
Fuck no fuck the curri morons
ITT: People don't understand geopolitics
1) US has threatened to nuke India in the past while also parking carrier fleets across India
2) US has asked China to engage in a war against India before
3) US allowed nuke transfer technology from China->Pakistan (Both China/Pakistan were our allies against Russia)
4) Russia supported India when US threatened war against India by sending few of their destroyers out in the Indian ocean (and even had dogfights) in the Indian Ocean as a result
5) Russia/India has lot of joint ventures and long military ties
6) US wants to pull India from Asia alliance group of Russia/India/China at ALL COST.
India has no interest allying with Russia let alone China. They want to be a regional power, not join a new Cold War. So they do like the Kremlin's "multipolar world" stance but they aim to be one of those poles, not joining some alliance to fight the US or vice versa.
India became a Russian ally in cold war not because India choose Russia, but because US threatened India for not allying with the US interests.
The same will happen where India will be forced to ally with Russia/China by the US for not allying with the US interests.
Seems far-fetched anon, tensions were a lot higher during the Cold War and India had the same nonaligned posture then and this never happened. Not to mention the US being much closer with Pak back then, India's leaders declaring themselves socialists, and a whole bunch of other stuff. I doubt we'll ever see it.
>Seems far-fetched anon, tensions were a lot higher during the Cold War
I would like to think so too, but here we are right now. US is directly and actively seeking escalation of the war
US pilots are actively bombing Russian troops?
We'll revisit this in a later date. A year ago, it was whether our tanks, now we're closer to sending our jets, and maybe a year from now, it will be how many troops we'll be deploying. Etc etc.
and that is why pajeets are considered low iq
if they want to be one of the "poles", aka a major power, then they should be flexing their own muscles instead of latching onto other major powers, be it russia or US.
pajeets have it in their heads that they're guaranteed to become a global power like china simply because of population but the way things are going, they're going to stay an authoritarian poverty state for a long fucking time.
There are some countries that do a decent job of walking the line between West and russia/china but india is a textbook case on everything not to do.
India is not one person. There's much more internal politics within India than in China, Russia and the USA combined. Nobody is controlling the whole country.
Dude, multi polar world is a meme. Multi polar just means no US ships patrolling the oceans and gunpowder empires like Russia and China doing what the fuck they wish. There's no space for countries like India in a multi polar would because it only exists as it does now (united) due the UK and US allowing it, otherwise it would be like 90% of its existence, a fractured shithole of pajeets being ruled by a foreign power.
>1) US has threatened to nuke India in the past while also parking carrier fleets across India
The US has never threatened to nuke anyone. For some reason, every Indian thinks sailing an aircraft carrier through international waters was a nuclear threat as opposed to a "there's a regional war brewing and US citizens might need evacuation, thank god there's a big boat with a bunch of helicopters that's in range" precautionary thing.
>2) US has asked China to engage in a war against India before
When was this? It wasn't the 1962 Sino-Indian War because we didn't have diplomatic relations with China until 1971.
>3) US allowed nuke transfer technology from China->Pakistan (Both China/Pakistan were our allies against Russia)
What were we supposed to do about it? Also, did this actually happen outside of Indian newspapers?
>4) Russia supported India when US threatened war against India by sending few of their destroyers out in the Indian ocean (and even had dogfights) in the Indian Ocean as a result
Dogfights? This is the point where make-believe becomes delusion.
>5) Russia/India has lot of joint ventures and long military ties
OK.
>6) US wants to pull India from Asia alliance group of Russia/India/China at ALL COST.
Since when is Russia-India-China an alliance? Two years ago, you and the Chinese were beating one another to death in border clashes.
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Now it's time for some real mother fucking talk:
1. Russia thinks of China as a reluctant ally and India only as an export market.
2. China thinks of Russia as soon-to-be vassal state and India as a bunch of squatters that need to be evicted from the South Tibet Province.
3. India thinks of Russia as their bestest buddies forever and thinks about China as little as possible in hopes that the problem will somehow go away.
4. Russia is already on its deathbed, China is still in its ascendancy, and India doesn't have a plan.
5. You share a border with two unfriendly nuclear powers who have fought outright wars against you within living memory, and they both claim you are occupying their rightful territory.
6. India has a huge population but its infrastructure doesn't have much surplus capacity. If things ever go wrong, they will go very wrong, very quickly.
7. There's a real drive to move manufacturing and other businesses out of China and at the moment, it's not going to be moving to India. That's a lot of wealth to miss out on.
8. The 21st-century is going to be a wild time. War's back in a big way and the threat of climate change looms. We'll face all the old problems, all the modern problems, and a bunch of new problems we don't know about yet. We are all going to need help getting to the 22nd-century.
9. In theory, "non-aligned" means "friends with all". In practice, it means "on your own". Modern history is a team sport. No one, not even superpowers, can win on their own, and BRICS is a fucking meme. Supporting Russia in 2023 is like shackling yourself to a corpse. China's already picked a teammate and it's Pakistan. Now's your chance to pivot West. We'll drop Pakistan like a hot iron if it means India joins Team Not-China. And you're a fellow democracy. This shouldn't be a hard idea to sell or a hard choice to make. Fuck being a superpower by 2030. You can become one of the countries who make up the world's only hyperpower by 2024.
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how are u going to pay for it burgerino? while your sovereign debt turns from asset into liability, your currency plummets and u're ostensibly against anything alive in war against carbon, how?
how is england going to bully anyone now into their thinking, without mighty empire and strong currency - yes that is u only worse very soon
>ow are u going to pay for it burgerino? while your sovereign debt turns from asset into liability, your currency plummets
Our currency plummeting isnt a problem; its a feature. (Hyper) inflating the currency makes the debt effectively smaller in real terms. Normally, people would abandon said currency, but if the country behind the currency can somehow entice more people to use it anyway, like, idk, to purchase much needed military equipment, then the demand side stays propped up anyway.
>He really, actually, seriously doesnt know.
*in real terms
read: in effective terms
You're not one of those folk that think BRICS actually functions, are you?
Your confusion is warranted. Its not me suggesting this, its the US gov fearing that BRICS might work. We've successfully isolated Brazil from RICS due to the geographical distances. But RIC is still going on. S might be getting fucked.
Pakistan is useful for its location if nothing else. Until 2021, we needed access to their airspace to operate in Afghanistan. And in the Cold War, Turkey was in NATO, Iran was solidly locked in as a US ally (at least, until the Shah was overthrown), which stopped the USSR from having land access to the Middle East. So long as we kept on friendly terms with Pakistan, the Soviets wouldn't have a logistical hub on the Arabian Sea. All that, combined with the Sino-Soviet split, meant that the USSR/Warsaw Pact were ringed in by unfriendly nations from Alaska and Canada across to the Greenland-Iceland-UK Gap, Norway, and the Danish Straits, down to Gibraltar and the Bosphorus, then to Iran, Pakistan, and China right up to the Korean border, and to cap it all off, having the Norks even didn't help the Soviets because Japan and South Korea bottled up the Yellow Sea and Sea of Japan. If it weren't for the Stalin taking the Kuril Islands, we would have surrounded Russia from Alaska to... Alaska. Then the Iranian revolution and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan made Pakistan geographically important itself, not just as part of the-rope-the-capitalists-decided-not-to-sell-after-all.
Why didn't we try to win over India? There's a reason why Nixon decided that CHAIRMAN MAO was a more reliable partner against the spread of communism. China hated the USSR as much as we did and we didn't have to worry about them because EVERYONE in Southeast Asia, (including the other communist countries) hates China. The only reason why Cambodia and China cooperated was they were both members of the Vietnam is Sick of Our Bullshit Club. Meanwhile, India was ruining whatever chance the Non-Proliferation Treaty had and announcing that friendship ended with non-alignment, now realpolitik was their best friend.
Fast forward to today and Pakistan "knowingly harboring bin Laden and fighting a 20-year proxy war against the US" has led to Americans viewing India/Pakistan as "no clear preference"
meant for
It is no secret that Indians speak really awful English. And a lot of them also seem to be under the impression that their English is excellent, or even better than that of British and American speakers.
But I have always wondered: if Indians from two different regions of India--who speak two completely different languages--speak English, can they understand each-other? Or do they regard each-other's English as poor?
You might ask, why are you bringing this up in a thread about fighter jets? Well, I want you to imagine a military (or a society) filled with such human beings, attempting to work in concert with this communication handicap.
>Does india deserve it
no
>does india have the expertise to maintain it
no
>does india have the opsec to be able to keep it secret
no
>does india have the skilled pilots to fly it
no
>is india firmly under U.S. block's influence
no
>does india operate russian tech and allow russian experts on their soil
yes
More likely that India get's colonised again by East India company and Fleet Air Arm F-35B's are redeployed on Indian soil.
Maybe in 20 years when NGAD is flying and FCAS/Tempest is being sold. By then China will have 100's of J-20's, J-31's and Pakis may have their own stealth fighters too so it'll be a case of "trickle down" technology.
>NATO member Turkey kicked off the F-35 program
>NATO member Bulgaria refused even F-16s
>but yeah let's offer India F-35s
NATO as an alliance is such a fucking joke.
what is the point of giving euromoron vassals anything? what are they going to do ... get uppity and leave? cozy up to china and russia?
The US should sell it to India just so that the tech gets stolen even more.
They already sold it to Singapore. So if China is getting access to F-35s, why not let Russia too?
They deserve better,they deserve the SU-57
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or delusional.
Fuck all pajeets. The entire peninsula of flipflopistan should be glassed
I really want to know how Indians react to the fact that their biggest military supplier is incapable of beating Ukraine and all the military blunders that came with it. Surely that would shake their confidence?
The only thing those stinky fuckers deserve is a nuclear holocaust. The world would be better for it.