Yes. What a stupid question. I think I'd rather have kept whatever war tourist thread on the board instead of this useless question. >are radio comms important
Moran
Yeah? Unencrypted comms on ham radio bands are important? The closest thing to encryption involves data modes anyone with a laptop, usb sdr and antenna can decide in minutes. Can even easily intercept data modes on ham radio and give false info/hijack. Idiot.
What kind of encryption is used for radio? Is it similiar to the regular asymetrical cryptosystems? And how would you implement them? I would guess you can either encrypt digital and then emit or back in the old days the encryption was on analog hardware or what?
cool, have fun finding batteries and electricity for whatever monster you drag along to brute force whatever encryption is applied. Now try using your em interceptor unit to monitor all frequencies against a disciplined adversary 24/7 and match various evasive transmission strategies then hire a fortune teller to divine the meaning and intent of various shifting cyphers and keywords you might decode
>is ham radio useful in warfare? >reee no you can't use encryption, that's illegal in the united states!!!!!!!!
What kind of encryption is used for radio? Is it similiar to the regular asymetrical cryptosystems? And how would you implement them? I would guess you can either encrypt digital and then emit or back in the old days the encryption was on analog hardware or what?
you can literally just transmit data you encrypted with pgp, a one time pad, or aes. i'd be more concerned about someone jamming your transmissions, locating them, or trying to imitate you.
>encrypt these waves for me wouldya? >that'll be a 5 second delay time. $5 for more encryption, deals this week on $10 encryption for only 7 second lag delay >W4RGD
>Does ham radio have any tactical benefits in warfare?
Yes, you fricking moron >modern warfare
really depends on the EW/ELINT capabilities of your adversary and their capabilities to perform fire missions against triangulated positions. I could explain this more but that would seem to be a waste of my time with your low-ass IQ. >what are tactical comms during a firefight, anon?
99% of hams own one or more two-way portable radios. these can be a huge force multiplier tactically if the team is correctly trained to shoot, move and communicate.
>pictured: shortwave antennas
Shortwave communications are not tactical, since setting up a (portable) shorttwave transmission station takes up some time and considerable space. It's not a small whip antenna on your walkie talkie.
But they can be extremely valuable in a strategic sense. They allow for infrastructure-less over-the-horizon communication.
NVIS is all you need to know.
Data modes are encryption, in a way. It just involved txing data only someone else with the same decoding software can decode.
No it should be banned because someone might talk about Ukraine on there without feds being able to join the conversation and debunk disinformation
Yeah, I'm sure they're going to triangulate on a 4watt transmitter, in an active theater, and then waste a half million dollars worth of artillery on a 50 dollar low power radio.
You keep living that dream, kiddo.
it also isn't illegal to encrypt data over radio. Certain frequencies in the HAM spectrum are for voice calling only, so using an encrypted data stream over those frequencies would be a violation, but there are plenty of band in the spectrum for data. (assuming you care about the regulations)
midwits gonna midwit
most moronic posts I've seen today holy shit
Jezus christ you homosexuals are getting more moronic by the fricking day.
Check out @commsandlogistics on Instagram for tactical (encrypted) VHF/UHF comms
Charlie Alpha, move to one zero niner ate, enroute bravo pappa the dilldicks at location Gymboree. There you fricking mong, all the encryption I need. And John has a long mustache. 40 fricking years and nobody cracked that one yet...
It's really too bad 40m won't reach into the states (at least not on my antenna) because I could listen to this shit for years. Wish I could understand.
YOU TELL EM JOE! These got dang kids these days ain't got no respect.... Back in my day we LEARNED respect with a BELT!!! L O L
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-=DESERT STORM VETERAN=-
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12 Garands and counting
BEHIND EVERY GREAT MAN IS HIS NAGGING WIFE
Donations to Isreal $347,962
You cannot invade the United States, for there is a rifle behind every blade of grass -Admiral Toyota Hosho
Why would anyone not into amateur radio know they exist, and why would anyone younger be interested now the internet made amateur radio obsolete?
Militarily unencrypted comms a shit.
MARS was once quite useful before the internet because you could communicate with CONUS from deployed locations but I never bothered. As a comm troop the hardware would be easy to deal with but I can't imagine putting that level of effort into something I've zero use case for in 2023.
Where I live, the grid going down is a bi-yearly event. I and some other have gotten a few sets of cheap baofengs, that I programmed with a number of default channels for us to use.
I'd prefer to have a full spectrum P25 Phase II radio, but they are like 100x the cost of the basic analog transceivers.
Yeah, I'm sure they're going to triangulate on a 4watt transmitter, in an active theater, and then waste a half million dollars worth of artillery on a 50 dollar low power radio.
I don't have any idea what kind of radios they are using for drones, but it probably isn't a 4 watt radio, and the datastream also carries location data for a drone.
Of all places it amazes me /k/ doesn't know RF discipline is a thing and very easy to accomplish. Think of it like light discipline morons, only as much as you need for as short a time as possible. Do that and triangulation is near impossible.
Don’t Ukrainian drone operators have artillery on their ass within minutes sometimes
Military drones put out relatively insane amounts of RF radiation. Plus add the radios they are using to communicate to their command. As far as the little commercial drones I imagine they're fairly powerful and also use gps.
Are you moronic my dude?
Actually you may be right if all you're doing is talking about radios like usual. They might leave you active to demoralise people.
Yes, actually. They have to do that sort of thing currently to locate leaky RF devices for defensive radar and satellite installations.
Don't be stupid. They're more likely to locate someone's leaky microwave than a fricking handheld transceiver.
1 year ago
Anonymous
PrepHole BTFO
1 year ago
Anonymous
The microwave isn't broadcasting anything "useful in modern warfare". Either you are and you're dead next time you show up, or you're not and your radio isn't useful.
Also please stop downgrading your rig, you'll be on an Airwolf walkie talkie from the 80s before long.
1 year ago
Anonymous
most handheld transceivers operate in the 1-10 watt range, and have typically 2-4 power settings, specifically to not blast out unnecessary RF.
I consider anything below 40Watts transmit power to be low power.
A leaky microwave can easily dump 500 watts of RF
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
I won't matter once I complete my RAMM (redundant array of malfunctioning microwaves) jamming device.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>hey Bob, he's back again. We got anybody microwaving shit and mumbling about some guy from Utah they talked to a month ago in that grid square? No? Good.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>single grid square
You aren't thinking big enough. Radio satellites a a massive array of antennas, across a large area.
Think of RAMM like the inverse of that, a distributed network of leaky microwaves blasting out 500-1000 watts of wide spectrum garbage, but distributed like a radio satellite array.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah but now you're not transmitting anything useful either, making your radio useless as per OP.
Also in that case you're going to need a lot of solar panels because you can kiss goodbye to the local power supply.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Who said I wanted to transmit anything useful. I just wanted to present a thought experiment that would be for jamming and would also confound attempts to triangulate sources.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not a hard and fast rule but we do tend to try to stay more or less on topic around here.
1 year ago
Anonymous
it was in response to someone that seemed to think that triangulating intermittent comms from handheld transceivers was easy and something done commonly.
It's possible, but practically speaking, when people are triangulating RF sources they are looking at high power RF transmitters.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The microwave isn't broadcasting anything "useful in modern warfare"
Microwave ovens operate around 2.45ghz aka the same as wifi which is very commonly used to communicate with these commercial drones.
I don't have any idea what kind of radios they are using for drones, but it probably isn't a 4 watt radio, and the datastream also carries location data for a drone.
They wouldn't need to triangulate anything.
You people are so fricking new.
2014 to 2015, stories came out of Ukrainian troops using unencrypted radios to communicate and getting shelled within 5 minutes. The US and other western militaries got fricking terrified because back then Russia had actually competent signals troops and had said troops integrated into the artillery kill chain. They recognized that even if their physical camouflage and dispersion was perfect they'd still get located and struck once a single soldier used his radio more than once. Talk to any former or current soldier and they'll tell you they got radio discipline beaten into their heads. There really was a period, generally late GWOT, where some US soldiers thought they could transmit whenever and the Ukrainian experience reminded everyone that is not the case.
I know one of you is going to say "but Russia is losing!!!", that's not the point. A lot of their skilled signallers were on contracts and left or were killed in the first few months of the invasion. The point is that if an enemy puts work into radio direction finding they will whip your ass. There are a few articles and lectures from that timeframe talking about it.
The gist I'm getting is that it's illegal to encrypt your data in the US and midwits have come to the mistaken conclusion that it's just impossible
it also isn't illegal to encrypt data over radio. Certain frequencies in the HAM spectrum are for voice calling only, so using an encrypted data stream over those frequencies would be a violation, but there are plenty of band in the spectrum for data. (assuming you care about the regulations)
midwits gonna midwit
>RTTY and data emissions using unspecified digital codes must not be transmitted for the purpose of obscuring the meaning of any communication.
Using, for instance, FSK in a manner allowed is completely fine as long as it's obvious who you are and you're not attempting to encrypt, ie prevent the deciphering of, the transmission.
Yes, actually. They have to do that sort of thing currently to locate leaky RF devices for defensive radar and satellite installations.
Don't be stupid. They're more likely to locate someone's leaky microwave than a fricking handheld transceiver.
no shit you can't use a VOICE CHANNEL for data. holy shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>(a) No amateur station shall transmit: >(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein
Boy, look at that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ah yes, the "sending radio commands to space stations" loophole, well known by all terrorists.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Honestly, how else are we going to communicate with the chinese spy balloons?
>Russia had actually competent signals troops and had said troops integrated into the artillery kill chain.
What kind of gear gets used for the direction finding to effectively have artillery firing on a position within 5 minutes?
you're saying that in 2014, at the inset of the crimean conflict, that Vlad had enough radio receivers to effectively triangulate the location of ground units, rather than having ground based intel.
Both are technically possible, but only one is certain.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>crimean conflict >apparently the Russians having 3 signals intercept vehicles is too outlandish
1 year ago
Anonymous
If it is the start of the conflict, and all their gear is on one side of the battle line, yeah, you aren't going to be triangulating very effectively without ground units observing.
it also isn't illegal to encrypt data over radio. Certain frequencies in the HAM spectrum are for voice calling only, so using an encrypted data stream over those frequencies would be a violation, but there are plenty of band in the spectrum for data. (assuming you care about the regulations)
This moronic question is asked by dumbfrick Karens that want to talk openly about bullshit and expect the opponent to only get static or a bunch of untranslatable noise if said moronic karen pushes some magic button on her fancy smancy uber cool taktikul radio... Nevermind that it's still going to be in the electromagnetic spectrum... For the slightly smarter airsoft homosexual high skool kid, he wants the uber cool Navy Seals use it tacticool saw it on a YouTube influencers channel frequency hopping 128 bit magic mode cool guy radio that nobody can crack... Well. The rest of us know what actual EW looks like. The real cool guys can bait an attack with a remotely operated throw away repeater. Or get a message out of enemy held no permissive environments with less that 2 watts. Actual cool shit. But hey. Whatever. Somebody is making money selling that stupid useless shit..
The only benefit is that you can put HAM conscripts in signal corps, the few ones who master morse code in the very few positions that still use that (there are a couple of applications still out there, for maritime things especially) and you can make the soldiers who did this previously officers to supervise the fatties.
But you'll need to threaten the HAM with fire squad execution to forbid them with tinkering with the equipment.
At what level does the US use assets for direction finding or jamming radios? These man portable models have apparently been adopted in the past 6 years:
Modular Adaptive Transmission system, for monitoring, locating, and jamming.
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/Asset/VROD/VMAX_American_Versatile_Radio_Observation_and_Direction_System
R&S MP007 Portable direction finding system:
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/List/ORIGIN_united-states-a85d87&DOM_land-53d795&DOM_land-based-sensors-ce5551
https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/products/aerospace-defense-security/outdoor/rs-mp007-portable-direction-finding-system_63493-59457.html
https://www.army.mil/article/186155 >The Counter-Radio Controlled Improvised Explosive Device/ Electronic Warfare, or CREW Specialist Course, is designed to provide commanders with subject matter expertise on current EW capabilities by training Soldiers on the DUKE V2/V3, THOR III and VROD/VMAX systems. Soldiers assigned to the 2d Cavalry Regiment were first to get a look. >As the initial group to complete the training since the curriculum's pilot course in February, 2CR will serve as the model and standard for how the rest of the Army will integrate EW assets at the company level. >at the company level
Big if true.
>the US has again taken overhyped claims of Russia's capabilities seriously, and acquired those capabilities for real
There's also the Tactical Electronic Warfare System for dropping onto vehicles, and pic related for higher ups to coordinate it all. How do you even use radios near a force that's deploying this level of electronic warfare capabilities?
Only if your opponent is muslim.
CARLOS
What if they're Ukrainian?
كارلوس!
>only if your opponent is muslim
pork isn't kosher, too, anon
Yes. What a stupid question. I think I'd rather have kept whatever war tourist thread on the board instead of this useless question.
>are radio comms important
Moran
Yeah? Unencrypted comms on ham radio bands are important? The closest thing to encryption involves data modes anyone with a laptop, usb sdr and antenna can decide in minutes. Can even easily intercept data modes on ham radio and give false info/hijack. Idiot.
What kind of encryption is used for radio? Is it similiar to the regular asymetrical cryptosystems? And how would you implement them? I would guess you can either encrypt digital and then emit or back in the old days the encryption was on analog hardware or what?
Data modes are encryption, in a way. It just involved txing data only someone else with the same decoding software can decode.
You can always encript by hand, good luck using your laptop.
cool, have fun finding batteries and electricity for whatever monster you drag along to brute force whatever encryption is applied. Now try using your em interceptor unit to monitor all frequencies against a disciplined adversary 24/7 and match various evasive transmission strategies then hire a fortune teller to divine the meaning and intent of various shifting cyphers and keywords you might decode
>is ham radio useful in warfare?
>reee no you can't use encryption, that's illegal in the united states!!!!!!!!
you can literally just transmit data you encrypted with pgp, a one time pad, or aes. i'd be more concerned about someone jamming your transmissions, locating them, or trying to imitate you.
Can i do that with a baofeng?
yes dumbass
you can encrypt with a fricking pen and paper. The Romans were doing encryption.
You? Probably not.
>encrypt these waves for me wouldya?
>that'll be a 5 second delay time. $5 for more encryption, deals this week on $10 encryption for only 7 second lag delay
>W4RGD
Encrypted Phase II P25 radios don't exist I guess. Just can't encrypt, not possible, said some dude on PrepHole.
YOU WANNA GO TO SIGINT WAR WITH ME!?!
Militaries still have codebooks if they need to use unencrypted comms
>Does ham radio have any tactical benefits in warfare?
Yes, you fricking moron
>modern warfare
really depends on the EW/ELINT capabilities of your adversary and their capabilities to perform fire missions against triangulated positions. I could explain this more but that would seem to be a waste of my time with your low-ass IQ.
>what are tactical comms during a firefight, anon?
99% of hams own one or more two-way portable radios. these can be a huge force multiplier tactically if the team is correctly trained to shoot, move and communicate.
>pictured: shortwave antennas
Shortwave communications are not tactical, since setting up a (portable) shorttwave transmission station takes up some time and considerable space. It's not a small whip antenna on your walkie talkie.
But they can be extremely valuable in a strategic sense. They allow for infrastructure-less over-the-horizon communication.
NVIS is all you need to know.
most moronic posts I've seen today holy shit
Jezus christ you homosexuals are getting more moronic by the fricking day.
Check out @commsandlogistics on Instagram for tactical (encrypted) VHF/UHF comms
Charlie Alpha, move to one zero niner ate, enroute bravo pappa the dilldicks at location Gymboree. There you fricking mong, all the encryption I need. And John has a long mustache. 40 fricking years and nobody cracked that one yet...
Learn to speak Navajo.
Modern warfare? By well-trained and well-equipped forces? Not really, they'll be using SINCGARS or its equivalent.
Ham is intended for hobbyists. That makes it useful in disasters, where normal means of communication go down.
Its good for listening to weather broadcast or a last resort
It is, by definition, hobby radio. Why would it have a military application?
In the 40 meter/7mhz ham band on 7055 LSB there is sort of an on-air warzone of insults and music/propaganda traded between Ukies and Ruskies.
I've heard it on several Euro SDRs. Tonight it is loudest on this SDR in Finland: http://rhakiwi.ddns.net:8073/ (You gotta set it to 7055 LSB.)
It's really too bad 40m won't reach into the states (at least not on my antenna) because I could listen to this shit for years. Wish I could understand.
Online Software-Defined SDRs are great. You can listen to HF radio signals in just about every part of the earth.
The KIWI system SDRs often have notes on commonly heard freqs so you have an idea of what you're hearing.
Here's a list of all the KIWI SDRs: http://kiwisdr.com/public/
HAM boomers are the most annoying gays on the planet.
Not as annoying as moronic ass kids who complain about nothing on japanese porn boards, you fairy
YOU TELL EM JOE! These got dang kids these days ain't got no respect.... Back in my day we LEARNED respect with a BELT!!! L O L
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USMC 1985-1986
-=DESERT STORM VETERAN=-
1969 Mustang
12 Garands and counting
BEHIND EVERY GREAT MAN IS HIS NAGGING WIFE
Donations to Isreal $347,962
You cannot invade the United States, for there is a rifle behind every blade of grass -Admiral Toyota Hosho
Why would anyone not into amateur radio know they exist, and why would anyone younger be interested now the internet made amateur radio obsolete?
Militarily unencrypted comms a shit.
MARS was once quite useful before the internet because you could communicate with CONUS from deployed locations but I never bothered. As a comm troop the hardware would be easy to deal with but I can't imagine putting that level of effort into something I've zero use case for in 2023.
Repeater warrior detected. Get on 10m, the band has been fricking amazing during the day.
radios transceivers are useful. HAM is just a non-commercial license for a range of frequencies and use cases.
In a tactical sense, the license doesn't matter.
You want to own at least one, and get a plan with your buddies to have a specific channel to get on if the grid goes down due to something next week
Where I live, the grid going down is a bi-yearly event. I and some other have gotten a few sets of cheap baofengs, that I programmed with a number of default channels for us to use.
I'd prefer to have a full spectrum P25 Phase II radio, but they are like 100x the cost of the basic analog transceivers.
No it should be banned because someone might talk about Ukraine on there without feds being able to join the conversation and debunk disinformation
Yeah it'll really help artillery targeting. Not yours, the other side.
Yeah, I'm sure they're going to triangulate on a 4watt transmitter, in an active theater, and then waste a half million dollars worth of artillery on a 50 dollar low power radio.
You keep living that dream, kiddo.
Don’t Ukrainian drone operators have artillery on their ass within minutes sometimes
I don't have any idea what kind of radios they are using for drones, but it probably isn't a 4 watt radio, and the datastream also carries location data for a drone.
They wouldn't need to triangulate anything.
Of all places it amazes me /k/ doesn't know RF discipline is a thing and very easy to accomplish. Think of it like light discipline morons, only as much as you need for as short a time as possible. Do that and triangulation is near impossible.
Military drones put out relatively insane amounts of RF radiation. Plus add the radios they are using to communicate to their command. As far as the little commercial drones I imagine they're fairly powerful and also use gps.
Are you moronic my dude?
Actually you may be right if all you're doing is talking about radios like usual. They might leave you active to demoralise people.
no, I actually understand what is required for triangulating low power rf sources.
you may be mentally deficient.
You mean something like a modern army actively looking for targets in your area? lmao
Yes, actually. They have to do that sort of thing currently to locate leaky RF devices for defensive radar and satellite installations.
Don't be stupid. They're more likely to locate someone's leaky microwave than a fricking handheld transceiver.
PrepHole BTFO
The microwave isn't broadcasting anything "useful in modern warfare". Either you are and you're dead next time you show up, or you're not and your radio isn't useful.
Also please stop downgrading your rig, you'll be on an Airwolf walkie talkie from the 80s before long.
most handheld transceivers operate in the 1-10 watt range, and have typically 2-4 power settings, specifically to not blast out unnecessary RF.
I consider anything below 40Watts transmit power to be low power.
A leaky microwave can easily dump 500 watts of RF
I won't matter once I complete my RAMM (redundant array of malfunctioning microwaves) jamming device.
>hey Bob, he's back again. We got anybody microwaving shit and mumbling about some guy from Utah they talked to a month ago in that grid square? No? Good.
>single grid square
You aren't thinking big enough. Radio satellites a a massive array of antennas, across a large area.
Think of RAMM like the inverse of that, a distributed network of leaky microwaves blasting out 500-1000 watts of wide spectrum garbage, but distributed like a radio satellite array.
Yeah but now you're not transmitting anything useful either, making your radio useless as per OP.
Also in that case you're going to need a lot of solar panels because you can kiss goodbye to the local power supply.
Who said I wanted to transmit anything useful. I just wanted to present a thought experiment that would be for jamming and would also confound attempts to triangulate sources.
It's not a hard and fast rule but we do tend to try to stay more or less on topic around here.
it was in response to someone that seemed to think that triangulating intermittent comms from handheld transceivers was easy and something done commonly.
It's possible, but practically speaking, when people are triangulating RF sources they are looking at high power RF transmitters.
>The microwave isn't broadcasting anything "useful in modern warfare"
Microwave ovens operate around 2.45ghz aka the same as wifi which is very commonly used to communicate with these commercial drones.
You people are so fricking new.
2014 to 2015, stories came out of Ukrainian troops using unencrypted radios to communicate and getting shelled within 5 minutes. The US and other western militaries got fricking terrified because back then Russia had actually competent signals troops and had said troops integrated into the artillery kill chain. They recognized that even if their physical camouflage and dispersion was perfect they'd still get located and struck once a single soldier used his radio more than once. Talk to any former or current soldier and they'll tell you they got radio discipline beaten into their heads. There really was a period, generally late GWOT, where some US soldiers thought they could transmit whenever and the Ukrainian experience reminded everyone that is not the case.
I know one of you is going to say "but Russia is losing!!!", that's not the point. A lot of their skilled signallers were on contracts and left or were killed in the first few months of the invasion. The point is that if an enemy puts work into radio direction finding they will whip your ass. There are a few articles and lectures from that timeframe talking about it.
>RTTY and data emissions using unspecified digital codes must not be transmitted for the purpose of obscuring the meaning of any communication.
Using, for instance, FSK in a manner allowed is completely fine as long as it's obvious who you are and you're not attempting to encrypt, ie prevent the deciphering of, the transmission.
You're a dumbass.
Your local police station uses encrypted P25 radios.
Oh gosh, that isn't allowed...
You're mentally disabled, aren't you?
Please go to a major eastern coast city, get a ham radio and begin taunting the boomers. I want to see you get raped by the FCC.
no shit you can't use a VOICE CHANNEL for data. holy shit.
>(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
>(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification.
>for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein
Boy, look at that.
Ah yes, the "sending radio commands to space stations" loophole, well known by all terrorists.
Honestly, how else are we going to communicate with the chinese spy balloons?
>stories came out of Ukrainian troops
If reddit would stop posting pictures of their physical location that wouldn't be a problem
I guarantee you weren't over 18 when this was happening.
I was recovering from a hip replacement when Obama kicked off the first Crimean conflict.
>Russia had actually competent signals troops and had said troops integrated into the artillery kill chain.
What kind of gear gets used for the direction finding to effectively have artillery firing on a position within 5 minutes?
physically observing the location, with ground units. they wouldn't have used radio triangulation or needed to.
Hmmmmmm.
This is a bait thread or you people are actually 15.
you're saying that in 2014, at the inset of the crimean conflict, that Vlad had enough radio receivers to effectively triangulate the location of ground units, rather than having ground based intel.
Both are technically possible, but only one is certain.
>crimean conflict
>apparently the Russians having 3 signals intercept vehicles is too outlandish
If it is the start of the conflict, and all their gear is on one side of the battle line, yeah, you aren't going to be triangulating very effectively without ground units observing.
Neat, I'm a bit busy now, but that'll give me a good place to start for reading later.
>"You're broadcasting in the clear"
>But I can encrypt it
>"BuT tHeY wIlL bReAK yOuR eNcRyPtIoN!1"
This fricking thread. Jesus Christ.
The gist I'm getting is that it's illegal to encrypt your data in the US and midwits have come to the mistaken conclusion that it's just impossible
it also isn't illegal to encrypt data over radio. Certain frequencies in the HAM spectrum are for voice calling only, so using an encrypted data stream over those frequencies would be a violation, but there are plenty of band in the spectrum for data. (assuming you care about the regulations)
midwits gonna midwit
The enemy using them can be tactically beneficial to you.
You can listen to their plans, triangulate their signal, bomb the shit out if them, etc.
Yeah. Uh huh.. Yep.. That's nice.
This moronic question is asked by dumbfrick Karens that want to talk openly about bullshit and expect the opponent to only get static or a bunch of untranslatable noise if said moronic karen pushes some magic button on her fancy smancy uber cool taktikul radio... Nevermind that it's still going to be in the electromagnetic spectrum... For the slightly smarter airsoft homosexual high skool kid, he wants the uber cool Navy Seals use it tacticool saw it on a YouTube influencers channel frequency hopping 128 bit magic mode cool guy radio that nobody can crack... Well. The rest of us know what actual EW looks like. The real cool guys can bait an attack with a remotely operated throw away repeater. Or get a message out of enemy held no permissive environments with less that 2 watts. Actual cool shit. But hey. Whatever. Somebody is making money selling that stupid useless shit..
The only benefit is that you can put HAM conscripts in signal corps, the few ones who master morse code in the very few positions that still use that (there are a couple of applications still out there, for maritime things especially) and you can make the soldiers who did this previously officers to supervise the fatties.
But you'll need to threaten the HAM with fire squad execution to forbid them with tinkering with the equipment.
Absolutely. Easily signal-located HAM operator positions for accurate fire placement would be of great tactical benefit (for the enemy).
The real question. Will tactical bugles make a comeback as direction finding capabilities advance further?
At what level does the US use assets for direction finding or jamming radios? These man portable models have apparently been adopted in the past 6 years:
Modular Adaptive Transmission system, for monitoring, locating, and jamming.
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/Asset/VROD/VMAX_American_Versatile_Radio_Observation_and_Direction_System
R&S MP007 Portable direction finding system:
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/List/ORIGIN_united-states-a85d87&DOM_land-53d795&DOM_land-based-sensors-ce5551
https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/products/aerospace-defense-security/outdoor/rs-mp007-portable-direction-finding-system_63493-59457.html
https://www.army.mil/article/186155
>The Counter-Radio Controlled Improvised Explosive Device/ Electronic Warfare, or CREW Specialist Course, is designed to provide commanders with subject matter expertise on current EW capabilities by training Soldiers on the DUKE V2/V3, THOR III and VROD/VMAX systems. Soldiers assigned to the 2d Cavalry Regiment were first to get a look.
>As the initial group to complete the training since the curriculum's pilot course in February, 2CR will serve as the model and standard for how the rest of the Army will integrate EW assets at the company level.
>at the company level
Big if true.
>the US has again taken overhyped claims of Russia's capabilities seriously, and acquired those capabilities for real
There's also the Tactical Electronic Warfare System for dropping onto vehicles, and pic related for higher ups to coordinate it all. How do you even use radios near a force that's deploying this level of electronic warfare capabilities?