I'm going to be spending a couple weeks car camping in Grizzly/Polar Bear territory (NT) and I'm having some series doubt bears spray does shit to them.
All the videos I can find online are of people spraying manlet Blackbears, the only one I can find regarding Grizzles is a dude covered in blood with his ear hanging off saying he sprayed it over and over again and it kept mauling the shit out of him anyways.
Then I look up Polar bears and the only videos I can find are of tent-camping researchers using portable electric fences and miniature grenade launchers. What the frick? Am I just going to fricking die? Is there any point bringing bear spray or should I save that money for my next of kin?
I mean if you spray magnum rounds from ideally a lever-action, you should get good energy
>pic related, penetration levels
but I consider kuma to be friends
Just take preventative action to reduce them from visiting you. Noise traps and wires around your area if you are worried and want notice, 10mm/.44/12 gauge slug otherwise.
I'm an American going to Canada for this tho, and my chucked state doesn't allow 99% of guns so I'd have to buy and leave them there. (Do Canadians even allow you to buy guns?)
You can buy the necessary rifle in any state, and you can take it to canada.
Any reccomendations?
They also had dozens of wolf-sized dogs living with them at any given time.
Dogs were their primary means of defense. If the barking didn't scare them off then they could distract them long enough for the inuit to poke them full of pointy sticks
Are you fricking braindead? You definitely cannot just bring your rifle to Canada for a trip. Bringing a gun to Canada requires some gay import process and definitely requires you being a Canadian citizen with a PAL
>You definitely cannot just bring your rifle to Canada for a trip
Yes you can. You can declare it at the border and if you have a valid reason to have it (like camping in grizzly or polar bear territory), it will be fine.
see https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/iefw-iefa-eng.html
he's not importing it, he's just bringing it with him. are you importing toothpaste and iphones when you bring then on international flights you stupid baby idiot moron
Actually that information is correct, any time you enter Canada with a firearm you not only need to declare it at the border but also sign form 5589 in front of a cbsa agent in triplicate and pay a 25 dollar fee.
My state is sneeded, I cant relate to this at all im sorry.
Why is that barrel so needlessly long? It doesn't look threaded or anything.
Are you moronic? Don't go anywhere near Polar Bears without a high powered rifle.
Yeah polar bears will go after you if spotted. For them, a living thing within hunting range is a meal they might not get for a while if they don't go for it.
I feel like the inuit wouldn't exist if this was the case. They lived peacefully along side them for thousands of years and all they had were sticks and shit. I don't know if they even had rocks.
>peacefully
>thinks savages are peaceful
some barrels extendo
put a few ports on it
Because polar bears are surprisingly skittish for giant murder beasts. A tribe of people throwing shit at one could probably scare it off. The manlet rage brown bears that live alongside them are much worse
A large group of half wild eskimos vs one skinny gay, you do the math
Get a gun. If you can't bring one for whatever reason sure you could at least find a muzzleloader or 22 even in Canada
>22
>bear loads
>does Bear Spray even work?
No.
>polar bears
RIP
I wouldn't feel fully safe even with a gun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
>July 29, 2020
>Daniel Schilling, 46, male
>"Schilling was killed while clearing a path several miles behind his cabin."
>"An empty can of bear spray was found at the scene."
Accept death
>Curtis subsequently sprayed the bear with pepper spray, but this only aggravated the animal.
Accept a violent death
>en.m
absolutely harem
Bear spray is like a rape whistle for women. It is to make her feel "safe", not to actually protect her.
If you can't get a real gun then get a black powder Howdah pistol and load it with the biggest buckshot you can find.
>howdah pistol
I might do this just so I can larp as Doomguy minutes before my grizzly (haha) death
God i love polar bears so much
not really but air horns actually do work sometimes
only if they're curious though not if they're actually going for you
It works. Otherwise people wouldn't use it. It doesnt always work. But neither do guns.
Here is a study of its efficacy:
https://wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.2193/2006-452
>a dude covered in blood with his ear hanging off saying he sprayed it over and over again and it kept mauling the shit out of him anyways.
That was Todd Orr- see what he has to say about why spray didnt work in his encounter. He also had a gun which he never got to use because his pack was ripped off of him.
https://www.thetoddorr.com/2016/10/18/question-why-didnt-bear-spray-work/
No 2 encounters are the same and there are no guarantees but the effectiveness of bear spray is a proven fact. (read the comments in the above link)
Good read, the thing is its ture for black bears and American grizzlies who are more used to people but Yukon grizzlies and polar bears? Not sure there's much of a sample size reflected from those groups.
Your "study" is 83 cases more than 10 of which weren't even aggressive bears, and only included 2 polar bear cases, thats not a study you frick up thats the equivalent of a Twitter post. There are more cases in that same time of people being killed after using bear spray than the entire study included.
>polar bears
Bear spray dosent work when its frozen, and dosent work on polar bears basically at all.
>There are more cases in that same time of people being killed after using bear spray than the entire study included
citation needed.
Clearly it can and does work so whats your point?
>Clearly it can and does work so whats your point?
only if you cherry pick bears that arent even attacking you, which is what your "study" did.
>citation needed.
Sweetie, go touch grass and learn how to google, thanks
>doesnt have a point only reeeeeing
>makes shit up
>waves it away with cope.
wew lad.
>only if you cherry pick bears that arent even attacking you, which is what your "study" did.
so it doesnt work...until it does. There were multiple incidents of aggressive grizzlies being deterred by bear spray in that study.
A recent one:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/us/grizzly-bear-attack-yellowstone.html
>The victim, Charles W. Mock IV, 40, of West Yellowstone, was carrying a fishing pole and bear mace when he was attacked on Thursday afternoon...
>He died of his injuries on Saturday, the authorities said.
Looks like he used his spray and got the bear to stop the attack...according to his Dad.
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/grizzly-mauling-victim-was-former-pocatello-resident/article_0c3065c8-1fc6-5b71-8602-9234cd50b58f.html
stop being a bear spray apologist
frick bears, shoot the buttholes right in the face with a .50 cal or .454
>hurrdurrrguns
stop being a fricking moron. serioulsy. look at yourself. you are pathetic.
Bears r frends
OPBP
As far as fricking bears are concerned I say frick it, get rid of them all. They got their time, and now we got ours. Thats why the dinosaurs don't exist no more.
What is the best .50 cal to get for my ultralight outings..barret?
If I were car camping in polar bear country I wouldn't be outside my car after dark without a gun and one of those fences or some lights, and even with those I wouldn't be out alone.
On the bright side there is no "dark" up there this time of year. On the not so bright side there's a lot of emaciated polar bears.
>All the videos I can find online
Is that really your only avenue of research? How many grizzly encounters happen and then people decide to pull out their phone and record it? Are you moronic? Please answer.
I'd take documented proof in the form of videos over some senior citizen saying pepper spray fends off 2 ton monsters
The vast majority of close range grizzly encounters involving spray or guns are not recorded on video- givcen that they typically happen very quickly. Its a moronic sample if thats all you are using...which would indicate you might be moronic as well in which case dont bring anything.
see
god what a fricking homosexual "hey bear" sweet talking it no wonder the thing wanted to attack him
SCREAM AT IT LIKE A VIKING YOU PUSSY FRICK, thats not even a full grown black bear its dog sized
>SCREAM AT IT LIKE A VIKING YOU PUSSY FRICK
Spraying bullets: yes.
All these pussies in this thread. Sure, there are plenty of bears out there, but we mean you no harm and they never attack you unless you provoke them, so just give them their space and you'll be fine.
>search grizzly news
>see man mauled by griz a couple days ago in Wyoming
becoming more and more common
>Encroach more into the wilderness
>Oh man why are there more wildlife encounters
The world may never know
I sure hope a 9mm is enough. I hear loud noises outside my tent.
bears hate bearspray the same way people hate pepper spray. It's a nasty experience but it doesn't actually disable you. If you want to make a bear rethink bothering you it's a good choice. If they're just trying to figure out whether you're an easy meal or someone they can rough up casually it will probably work, because bears are lazy and would much rather go eat berries or salmon than deal with you.
If the bear really wants you dead it won't help at all. But statistically, neither will a gun most of the time. If you're in that situation in the first place you've either already fricked up hard or are extremely unlucky. Spookiest bear encounter story I ever heard in person was from an old hunting buddy of my dad's. Really vivid retelling of a full grown grizzly in northern BC stalking him for 45 minutes while he carted some of the moose he shot back to his truck where he'd left his gun, shadowing him and dipping in and out of the dense bush on the side of road, getting closer and closer each time until he ended up walking backwards the last hundred feet while the bear followed him down the track staring at each other. Great story, he told it really well, and the whole time I'm like "just drop the fricking moose leg you moron." If it had killed him he'd have deserved it.
But that's for blacks/grizzlies. Polar bears are much more likely to be directly predatory, and more desperate when their normal food is scarce. Natives in polar bear heavy areas simply don't risk it most of the time. Sleep in a cabin with high powered rifle nearby.
>But statistically, neither will a gun most of the time
That's such a ludicrously false claim you may as well have just written the word fart over and over.
there have been multiple studies done on this
https://westernwildlife.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/efficacy-of-firearms-for-bear-deterrence_in_alaska-2012-Tom-Smith-Bear-spray-Deterrent.pdf
>When we compared out-comes for people who used their firearm in an aggressive bear encounter to those who had firearms but did not use them, we found no difference in the outcome
Also interesting
>Once a bear charged, odds of firearm success decreased nearly 7-fold
Don't get me wrong. A gun is a deterrent like any other, and there's no deterrent better than just killing it. It will work most of the time, because any deterrent works most of the time. Bear spray has a 90% success rate and guns have a ~70% success rate so being prepared in any way is good enough almost all of the time.
But if it's not, from a statistics perspective you're no better of shooting the gun than throwing it, because your chances of "just killing it" are actually very low once it stops being a situation where "deterrents" are an option.
Shut up, homosexual.
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
>hurrdurr ammoland
I am sure they are not totally biased and didnt cherry pick the data lol.
This study was much more rigorous with a much bigger sample
so whats your point? the thread is whether bear spray can work or not.
bear spray works in the right circumstance. but what happens if thermals aren't in your favor or there's gale force winds? or if a bear just doesn't give a frick and charges at you? I wouldn't want to be a sitting duck with a can of spray in these situations.
totally agree. its not a fail safe. but it is easier to use and more accessible to more people. Its a lot better than nothing.
Guns are the only lethal deterrent but they are not a sure thing either. What happens when you cant get a shot off in time, or the gun jams, or you forgot the safety, or you miss, or only hit in a non-lethal spot or you shoot your friend as he is being mauled? Plenty of things could go worng with guns and often do as studies have shown.
the best bear deterrent is traveling in groups of 3+ with everyone being armed
Bear spray is prooven to work but it has some limitations in the wind and could be a tricky if you're in a tent and need it which is why I always carry both.
Fun fact, there are no documented bear attacks on groups of 4 or more. Also, neither has a bear ever attacked a person on a horse.
I don't have a horse but I could stand on my buddy's shoulders
>neither has a bear ever attacked a person on a horse.
never say never.
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/woman-thrown-from-horse-after-being-charged-by-grizzly
>there are no documented bear attacks on groups of 4 or more
So just so I understand this thread, I need 4+ men on horseback armed with miniature grenade launchers to merely reduce my chance of getting mauled by bears
you need to know how to kickbox too
Riekland vs Kislev
>the whole time I'm like "just drop the fricking moose leg you moron." If it had killed him he'd have deserved it.
on the other hand, he was based for not teaching the bear it can get food via intimidation
When I went camping to Canada with a friend, we only had 1 bear spray, but we had 2 axes, and when in bear territory we would walk with the axes on the hand.
The idea was that if a bear attack one of us, the other will chop the bear head.
Was that a good idea?
You would have to be lucky or very strong to kill bear 1v1 with axe
But better than nothing
Well, the idea was 2 vs 1.
Well one of those 2 will be busy getting eaten, as will the 2nd after he makes the fatal mistake of whacking a bear with an age. I think your friend was setting you up for death by bear while he'd run away.
That sounds like a solid idea
I always wanted to see a strong man fight a grizzly. Not just wrestling, I mean adrenaline induced full on berserker rage, both fighting to the death
A black bear might be a good fight. A grizzly would just remove his face or limbs in the first 30 seconds.
What if they went for a primate style of fighting? Going for the eyes etc.
that's a good idea to convince an animal that they don't want to fight. Animals don't like risking debilitating injury because it means they probably starve.
In a "fight to the death" you've got no chance. Even if you claw out one of their eyes, that means you're in range of their claws too and you're losing way more than an eye.
The fact their claws are blunt like dog claws but have so much force behind them they do damage like big cat claws is kinda mad
Skip to 9:20. This guy stopped a charging grizzly with bear spray in the canadian rockies.
Pics or it didn't happen
>See a grizzly
>Pull out your selfie stick
>It charges
>You die
>But at least there's proof!
He didn't catch it on camera, but his reaction seems genuine to me.
Californian SF citygay here, regularly go haikan' in the mountains of Idaho, MT, Wyoming without any spray. I figger it's so rare it's not likely to happen and even if it does it's not likely to work.
Is this reasonable?
>it's so rare it's not likely to happen
This is reasonable. really depends on where and when- down to specific drainages/trails, times of year etc...its not likely to happen but clearly it does happen to multiple people every year.
>it's not likely to work.
Thats not as reasonable. Its certainly proven to work. It all depends on the situation. If you dont have a gun its a hell of a lot better than nothing for what at most is a minor inconvience of wearing a canister.
you're playing with fire. people get mauled every year by bears in these states.
No. You should be carrying at least something in that region. Especially the greater Yellowstone area. I worked several summers around there with the USFS and saw grizzlies (and moose) almost as frequently as I saw deer (discounting roadkill).
Carry a 10mm and if you live in a country where you cant you deserve whatever happens to you.
just like regular pepper spray it exceeds in blinding everything in a 10 yard radius including the sprayer.
>blinding everything in a 10 yard radius including the sprayer.
I have shot several expired canisters for practice and never once was blinded.
okay not blinded but squinting and eyes watering like niagra falls. Spray is not worth it, it does not stay on target it fans the entire area and ends up doing more harm than good. Spray is to make women that don't want to carry a gun feel better. It's entirely dependent on there not being any wind. Watch some police bodycams every time some dumbass uses pepper spray it fricks everything up, stinging everyone in the area, that's spray made for humans how much worse is bear spray going to be in a slight breeze.
>okay not blinded but squinting and eyes watering like niagra falls
never happened to me. I have shot 3 canisters
>Spray is not worth it
tell that to the people whose life it saved. Not worth what? carrying a light canister with you. seems like a fair trade off.
>it does not stay on target it fans the entire area and ends up doing more harm than good
what do you base this on- your personal experience using it?
I dont think you have ever been out.
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https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=F7EC7B4D-1DD8-B71B-0BA8E72257EBE39A
>never happened to me. I have shot 3 canisters
You're literally just going on the internet and telling lies. spray goes everywhere when there's any wind at all.
>telling lies
sorry no. I live in MT and have practiced with expired canisters
>spray goes everywhere when there's any wind at all.
wind is def a factor but it doesnt "go everywhere". The propulsion behind the spray is quite vigorous. Dozens of vids show this to be true. Nonetheless, I would take some stinging eyes over a punctured skull anyday.
You have never used a can of bear spray
>Watch some police bodycams
>equating purse sized pepper spray with bear spray
really? Bear spray is more pressurized, shoots farther for longer and is hotter (more SHUs) and affects the bears greatest sensory input (nose). Its purposely designed to be more fog like to create a field of potential deterrent.
I used it and never saw a bear look so good
How do you get this shit in New York state? I can't find any.
>bring fishing pole bell to keep bears away to begin with
>bring spray for non-aggressive bears and campers
>bring a gun and say prayer if its an aggressive bear
Can anyone recommend a knife for bear defense? I know they won't do anything but I want to go out fighting.
I recall a funny story I read once where a guy sprayed a bear which had stuck its head in the tent while he was sleeping and they spent several seconds together blind and disoriented stumbling and struggling to get out of the tent. lol
funny
haha!