Does PrepHole have any experience keeping outdoor cats? My house is on 10+ acres in the woods and of course we have mice. I've eradiated them from inside the house, but they are in my woodshed and probably in the garage. The mice get into my car and build little nests under the hood. Away from the house, there is a concrete pad that I use to park my camper and pickup truck. Mice there too.
I know I can get an outdoor cat house but how would I keep other animals like racoons or skunks out? My property is surrounded by a steep embankment and a brook, so I doubt they'd encounter many other domesticated cats. I know you can get cats very cheap at shelters, on craigslist or facebook market. I don't mind feeding the cats or bring them water, but I'm not catching them to bring them to the vet.
How does PrepHole care for outdoor cats?
>PrepHole
I live trap or poison any cat the coyotes don't take care of for me. Keep your vermin in your house.
Pet owners are cancer.
Ow the edge.
Do you people EVER have an argument as to why keeping animals as pets, an objectively immoral and cruel practice, is OK?
I'm not even the guy you replied to, it just annoys me that none of you ever manage to successfully defend enslaving animals for pleasure.
You're not a rich aristocrat from the 1700s who can afford a professional pet caretaker as pets are the ultimate sign of decadence in your time, nor are you a rugged and wild Alaskan fur trapper who would literally, actually die if you didn't have a dog or dogs to pull your sleds.
Are you capable of discernment at all ? I just put dry cat food out for stray cats. The cats come to my house for food and clean water. The song birds eat the small pieces of dry cat
food also.
You are a self satisfied, opinionated , judgmental, hate filled idiot.
>I just put dry cat food out for stray cats.
Why?
A few outdoor cats keep rodents and snakes away. I live at the end of a dirt lane on a 10 acre lot in a national forest in Appalachia. My property borders a 200 acre wildlife sanctuary.
The songbirds and squirrels have proven able to avoid the cats.
>my anecdotal evidence says cats dont kill birds.
only the dumbest of birds get caught. usually shit like robins which are plentiful. that's called natural selecton... being able to fly and being caught by a cat. lmfao. mink, which are native predators, catch far more rare bird species since they're near waterways.
>I don't know anything about nor do I give a shit about my local biome: the posts
You're deservedly referred to as cancer.
This is hilarious. I'm burning wood from a 70 year old oak tree I harvested from my biome as I read the results of hysteria.
My experience has been that these people that say outdoor cats decimate song bird populations are incorrect, and anecdotal evidence indicates that you are a fricking douchebag.
LOL, - Verification not required
morons.
>Free-ranging domestic cats have been introduced globally and have contributed to multiple wildlife extinctions on islands.
>Here we conduct a systematic review and quantitatively estimate mortality caused by cats in the United States.
>We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals annually. Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality.
>Our findings suggest that free-ranging cats cause substantially greater wildlife mortality than previously thought and are likely the single greatest source of anthropogenic mortality for US birds and mammals.
Almost like importing a predator en masse and letting it run free has consequences.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380
They're narcissists anon--they don't care at all about nature.
To attract more mice obviously.
>I let my pet goldfish suffocate in its own waste when I was eight and now I take my guilt out on others: the post
>still no argument, rationality, logic whatsoever
>only straw man and reaching
In your own words, define "straw man"
Enslaved? Oh frick off with the hyperbole.
Do you think dogs are just suffering from Stockholm syndrome and just need some class consciousness or whatever prattle your Marxist psued coworkers at Starbucks have been going on about?
Seriously… do you know anyone with dogs? Seeing a dog greet their owner is not a picture of oppression. Only weird c**ty progs manage to turn joy into snark, and believe themselves to be in the right.
see
To empathize with the dogtards and cat sociopaths--humans evolved with animals as partners and the slavery came later.
I call house pets emotion slaves...mostly because most pet owners are garbage not because the animals did anything wrong or aren't quite lovely.
My dog does PrepHole trips you can only dream of pal
>Do you people EVER have an argument as to why keeping animals as pets, an objectively immoral and cruel practice, is OK?
All of this only holds water if you believe animals should have those rights, which I don't. Animals are not equal to humans. Nevermind the fact that in my case, my dogs are rescues from a country where they ordinarily get shot or their tails lobbed off so they bleed to death to save the bullet.
Somehow I think they've got a pretty good life with me, growing old, out and about and having a full belly all of the time.
My cats would piss on your shoes if you suggested that having a warm couch to sleep on and wet food every night is "cruel" you dumb homosexual
This is why cat people walk around smelling like cat toilet
I've yet to walk into a pet owners house that didn't smell like animals.
Fun fact: all plagues in human history manifested as a result of human cohabitation with animals. I guarantee most pet owners have worms.
i think you dropped this
I once lost a bet to a girl they went down town wearing one of these and pretending to be legit moronic and she got more numbers in one night than you've gotten your whole life.
Worth every penny.
>women
>got more numbers
so it doesn't count for anything ever no matter what
>I'm 14 and mom says I can finally be left at home alone: the post
post address, lets find out what you really are
I'm the person that disappeared your cat
Stay in your containment zone and keep your vermin there with you.
>t. lives in a suburb with his mom who makes him empty the litterbox daily
...oh boy, what a burn, how will I ever recover.. Oh yes, by geocoding more cats.
Stay mad.
>i-i'm not mad, you're m-mad
>see? see how edgy and not mad I am?
>g-gonna geocode so many cats because it's edgy and cool
While you're at it, give us the geocode for your mom's house, big guy
you must be a plebbitor judging by how unhelpful and off topic your response is
have a nice day
>Seething fat females
You fat c**ts are truly remarkable.
>Move to a rural area
>Don't bother learning anything about the biome you just moved to
>Cut down all the trees in your yard and unleash your cats into the wild
>Pretend that nature is just an extention of your yard and ignore your bio-hazards spreading invasive species in their fur and killing the local wild-life for sport
>Get mad at anyone who tells you to stop that shit
Pet owners are almost always narcissists.
A lot of anons will berat you but you're not wrong.
>dogs or cats that roam freely are nothing but vermin
My grandfather shot a large dog last October that was on his rural property. Turns out that a neighbor family moved to the area over the summer would just let their three dogs out to roam all day. No pen or anything, just had GPS and cameras on their collars. Surrounding neighbors reported missing or attacked livestock to the sheriff.
The dog owning neighbor are these city couple that want to be youtube homesteaders. No concept of private property or respect for the existing area per what my grandparents have said.
>ATV driving over farmland without permissions
>dogs roaming freely
I say poison the vermin, people and animals.
I don't have anything against the animals--most of the owners are cancer.
I live in a rural area and The worst parasitic cancer are the city morons that buy a big plot of land just to cut down all the trees and build a McMansion.
It blows my mind that morons that can't even name a single tree in the area they're moving to literally hate forests and trees and are just trying to get away from the city.
Literal cancer.
This. My main gripe isn't even city folk, it's that city folk need to bring the city with them when they go PrepHole. Whether that's this shit or bluetooth speakers on trails. They're actual vermin.
>literal cancer
>actual vermin
You can tell how you guys have been exposed to shitty city people for too long by the way you've started talking like them.
end your life if real
Cats were domesticated accidentally. They provide huge benefits to people working in agriculture (and adjacent) industries, so if you farm, they're almost as valuable as a combine harvester.
I’ll be goddamned if I spend a million dollars on a cat. You’re moronic.
This is only true for monoculture--they are a detriment for permaculture and food forest systems. Monoculture invites pests and diseases, permaculture manages pests without invasive species like cats.
Monoculture is prevalent because cities subsidize monoculture to control agriculture by keeping farmers in an endless debt cycle and shit soil that constantly requires fertilizers. You literally have to enslave farmers to force them to feed parasitic cities--monoculture is that tool.
Just use bucket traps.
I like cats and have always wanted one but I'm very allergic.
Depends on the cat, some are absolute murder machines and will decimate the local bird population.
Have you thought about owls? They’ll also clear out mice
You want to have food out near daily, they won't just stay if there's no upside for them. Definitely spay or neuter them as well. Outdoor cats are a major problem for wildlife and they will kill all the birds in the area. If you have hummingbirds or other pollinating birds, or bats, they will die and so will a good variety of your wildflowers. Get about 3, leave food out often, get them an enclosed shelter, they'll fight off raccoons and most other competitors. You mainly want to keep them safe from raptors and other birds and they'll do the rest themselves
We've been trying to use cats to control rodent pests for ~8,000 years. It hasn't worked yet. I tried to keep mice out of my garage with a pair of barn cats and the mice stuffed the mufflers of a truck I had parked over winter with the dry food I was leaving out for the cats. If you want to keep mice away from your things, the best thing you can do is reduce the places for them to hide in and reduce their food supply, feeding outdoor cats increases the food supply for the mice.
Keep cats if you want pet cats, but if you want to keep mice out of your garage, clean your garage. For vehicles which are parked seasonally or are only occasional use, the "Fresh Cab" brand mouse repellent sachets seems to work just fine too.
>feeds cats
>wonders why they aren't catching mice
This is why you need a dog. A "ratter" as we call them. There's a reason those small dogs are such little bastards sometimes, and it's because they're rodent destroying machines that get treated like cute babies, and it pisses them off because they what they are on this earth to do -- to frick up large amounts of mice and rats, and they will do it by nature.
Let one of these loose around the place and he will do his job until he can barely stand uny more, bless him. Then he'll go to sleep and even in his dreams he will still be after them.
There's no happier creature than a dog that knows its job.
pathetic. their ancestors would be fiercely attacking beasts 10 times their size. Hunting pests is for cats.
forgot the pic rel
Also, those are not the ancestors of ratting dogs, they are their contemporaries -- they existed at the same time, but to do a different job. Man, don't speak about ancestors when you are such a modern product yourself.
you can draw whatever in a painting doesn't mean it happens in reality
Nothing pathetic about a tool that is perfectly sized for a specific job, why would I need a sledgehammer to deal with a tiny nail?
Your ancestors would know this.
>projecting "muh ancestors" on a dog
Sad.
those dogs are annoying as frick and high maintenance. I can guarantee you've never had a jackrussel. they don't even make good pets unless you're neurotic as they are, let alone ones that are trained for work will be a whole other headache.
>I can guarantee you've never had a jackrussel.
You cannot guarantee shit, just stop it.
My people have had ratters for thousands of years and we still do. None of you feckless modern idiots, far removed from your true natural understandings, can tell me anything about dogs because you don't even know yourselves.
> natural
ratting dogs are a direct result of agriculture. lmfao. you basedbean farmers destroy natural ecosystems to mass produce goycattle food. you also bring invasive pests like chickens, cattle, and dogs... killing off the majority of the natural predators like coyotes, bobcats, wolves, etc. get real. CHECKMATE b***hboy.
Since when does harnessing the power of nature become inherently unnatural? You cannot even train a small dog in a way that will allow it to be effective in what it loves to do, and yet it's the dog's fault.
You can't just insist that you won a game that the other person was never playing to begin with. You should stick to checkers because chess might be a bit too tough for you, just like winning the respect of a small dog.
>Slavery is harnesing the power of nature
Your post is full of broken logic and lies so I guess It makes sense that you're pro slavery because you're israeli.
What are you having for dinner then?
I love that you're so moronic you completely missed the point. Monoculture is moronic and the only reason we still do it is because Monsanto and DOW chemical own the farming industry.
You love eating plastic and sucking corporate wiener and I walk into a super market and see 99% of the products as inedible garbage.
>They hated him because he spoke the truth.
incel
> https://www.tmz.com/2022/05/18/buffalo-shooter-payton-gendron-beheaded-cat/
I own 3 Jack Russell's and I think they're great if you live somewhere rural with plenty of space for them to run about and lots of rodents for them to hunt, I wouldn't wanna own one if I lived in a town though.
you need a cat with blood lust. scrambles the death dealer got around 75 mice/rats and 5 gophers last spring. she doesn't even eat them, just kills em. I also live on the edge of a forest.
spitting image of my cat in his younger years when he was a hunter. found a mouse inside once too, leading us to a few more and getting that problem fixed. he's been a real bro
It doesn’t matter how bloodthirsty a cat is. You will have as many rodents as can hide from the cat, they just can’t keep up with pest rodent fecundity. Your cat could kill 3 mice a day until the end of time and if 20 female mice are able to find shelter where your cat cannot reach them, you will be overrun with rodents regardless. The only solution is to get rid of the places they live and remove the food supply.
Bloodthirsty cat helps though. They actively avoid areas they're at. I have an old black and white cow spotted cat. She's retired now living on wet cat food, but she was the best mouser in her day. She'd actively go out and catch mice all day in the field, she only bothered to eat the heads.
You’d think that the outdoor board would be categorically against releasing invasive species into the nature.
all you have to do in your case is find a cat that was semi-feral and trapped. make sure you get it spayed/neutered if it isn't already though, otherwise they will roam as far as they need to in order to find a mate, so it won't stay there. as long as it's fixed and you feed it, it will stay. they have built-in clocks so feed it at the same time morning and afternoon. just don't overfeed it, something like 1/4 cup of dry food total daily(split into two meals) for the average 8-14lb cat, depending on activity level and the food. the reason you want a semi-feral one, or one that has always been outside not as a pet, is because they simply have way stronger instincts than a cat that was around humans before you get it. you want a killer not a friendly pet in your situation. the problem with people leaving cats outdoors is when they aren't spayed/neutered. they multiply once, maybe twice a year, wander, get into fights, etc.
Even if they still come back to you for food, expect the outdoor cat to die young for some reason or another. They're kinda dumb, and the risk of injury and disease increases by a lot when you let them out in an environment you can't control.
Outdoor cats are very simple, but you do have to be kinda lucky with their personality. I remember as a kid our very first kitty cat was a calico and an excellent mouser.
As she matured, she became borderline feral from all the time outdoors and would sometimes leave for days at a time only to be seen again later. We could pet her, but she wouldn't let anybody pick her up. She also left plenty of gift mice at our doorstep and could hold her own against racoons.
I think she was 14 or so before she eventually died because some dumbass neighbor let his two samoyeds escape and they got into our yard and played tug of war with her. I generally don't like cats, but she was an exception. Greatest cat ever.
Have 3 cats but bucket traps are thr way. I killed 50 varmints last year to traps and takes minimal effort
>The mice get into my car and build little nests under the hood.
Hang one of those toilet rim blocks in there.
Cats tend to decimate local wildlife, so I wouldn't.
Find out why the mice are so prolific on your land and fix it. Seems odd that you'd be overrun by mice unless you had birdseed or grain lying all about. A few is typical, but not what you're describing. I live on a lot like you describe and only catch a couple in the traps in the house and garage a year.
If you absolutely want to use an animal to control them, go with chickens instead. They eat the shit out of mice given the chance, and will also eat whatever attracts the mice in the first place. Plus, free eggs!
I've had three huskies, and they were all mice killing machines. Well, not just mice. The prey and hunt drive is strong in huskies. That thing you see a fox do where he dives face first into the snow? Huskies do that. Everyone thinks they are all fluff and awoos, but they are stone cold killers. I watched two of them grab a racoon from each end, yank once, drop the twitching carcass and walk away. I had one attack a whistle pig, pulled her off of it, it turned and grabbed her by the face, I pulled it off her, and she grabbed it by the face. Frick that was a bloody mess.
Just keep them away from porcupines.
my family had outdoor cats, but it was more of a wild town thing where there with were a few loosely roving packs of cats, some which stayed on the property. they fed them scraps mostly from cooking but thats it.
Strictly outdoor cats are more like tame wildlife than pets. They will come and go as they see fit and will likely disappear after a year or two, either because they wander off or they get killed by a predator or car. I'm not going to give you the whole "cats kill birds" thing, because others already have. Just understand that if you get a cat specifically so it can stay outside and be a mouser, don't get too attached. Just put some food out on the back porch every night and it'll be as fine as it can.
Owl food.
I have a cat who hangs around outside my house. He was abandoned when his previous owners moved. He patrols my property during the day and I let him in my garage at around 11pm at night so he can eat and sleep. He keeps everything from dogs to crickets away when he's out. We have lots of owls and coyotes around though, so I don't leave him out all night unless he refuses to come in the garage.
>cats frick up native bird, reptile and small mammal populations
It’s just natural selection, it’s not my place to deny cats their natural instincts
>cat gets eaten by coyote, eagle or python
NOOOO FLUFFLES. SHOOT IT NOW
I kill outdoor cats
kill all outdoor cats. simple as. leave some choclate out for em. leave some rat poison laced sausages out for em. enjoy your dead pet because your a dumb idiot who cant properly take care of animals. you should do the world a favor and become an outdoor person theres some nice caves in montanna and wyoming you can walk and live in.
>your a dumb idiot
Every time
> t. brown
> claims to care about native birds, small mammals, and other creatures.
> just leave poison out
double digit IQ.
Not PrepHole but we had a cat on my ship that was a legend
> be me
> cargo hauler on great lakes
> had a gray and white cat named mama bear
> cat was built different
> massive body
> completely silent other than purring and meowing.
> will cuddle with the crew from time to time but mostly kept to her routine.
> she basically comes with the ship
> been a crewmen for over a decade
> absolute savage and pest control specialist
> 37 mice, 7 rats, 3 finches, and one seagull since I joined the ship
> only fricked with a seagull once and that was a savage fight and fricked up Mama a bit
> bear just knew her limitations.
> one day spot massive rat in engine room
> about a head short under the size of bear
> dub the rat Ratacus Maximus
> we spot Ratacus from time to time in the lower levels and engine room
> we think we picked him up in Cincinnati or Cleveland so he's already half a fricking mutant.
> rat traps didn't stop the fricker, he shrugged them off.
> eats the bait too just to spite us
> mama bear is on the case entire voyage
> several times hear ungoddly noises
> rat shreeks and cat howls
> somewhere on the ship the two biggest bullies on the block are duking it out
> heard it 6 total times myself they fought and that's just while I was on shift
> dont see mama bear for 2 days
> in galley eating breakfast one morning
> bear is dragging something behind her
> its Ratacus Maximus
> ratacus is bloodied to hell
> bear's face and paws are also covered in blood
> cat drags the dead rat to the table and plops it down at our captain feet as some sort of tribute or worthy sacrifice to her God
> starts meowing insistently
> cap goes into pantry cabinet and give mama an entire packet of tuna.
> rat came in at 2.72 pounds and just under 2 feet in lenght.
> chuck rat overboard
> mama bear slept the rest of the voyage.
Fake and gay but big cats do tend to be cool, 3/10