A 1980 refrigerator is probably going to work like shit and require maintenance, and with the electricity bill that you pay for it you could easily afford buying a new refrigerator every 5 years.
did you even watch that video?
Check out timestamp 8:40....
He says that his comparison doesn't mean anything and it's apples and oranges because of the difference in size between the two units and the fact that the kitchen fridge gets opened dozens of times a day compared to the beer fridge that gets opened maybe once a day.
>It's a fricking compressor and some tubes
And an insulated box.
You can cool down your wardrobe with a compressor and tubes but what makes it efficient is the insulation.
Uh, No. Not likely.
very little has "improved" with home appliances outside of the use of more electronics for the controls.
The compressors and coils are the same design they have been for a while. It's just their quality has gone in the shitter.
>compressor and coils are the same design
Lol no. Is a model T and a ford GT the same design engine because “well hurrr it’s just some pistons around that blow up and move a shaft. If you’re just a handyman that’s fine, but stick to being a parts swapper
Compressors are very similar, modern ones are just cost-optimized... Unless they are BLDC inverter shit, then a bit different.
Coils are different, in old fridges there were no defrost.
But most contributing factor to inefficiency is insulation. Old fridges used asbestos/fiberglass/whatever, and new ones use foam, and it much thicker too.
In anything, only R600a gas fridges are more efficient than old R12 ones. R134a is less efficient than R12
>Old fridges used asbestos/fiberglass/whatever, and new ones use foam, and it much thicker too.
Would the old insulations not be better or equal? Now I don't know shit about fridges but I know something about euro home insulations. Styrofoam blocks work fine, it's dirt cheap but needs to be quite thick. Mineral wool is seen as premium and needs to be much less thick for the same effectiveness. Can't see why the same wouldn't apply to a fridge unless there's more to it than just material and thickness, which there probably is.
Old fridges are way thicker and heavier than new ones. No idea about material differences, but most of the new ones have a plastic inner lining compared to old ones that were all metal inside and out.
>oey vey goyim trust us, if you dont buy a new 3000$ appliance every 4 years you're going to spend more than that on electricity
have a nice day you delusional moron.
Phase change based fridges were highly efficient in the 1950-60's already.
More efficient than now actually since they use some godawful coolant which destroys the ozone layer, gives you every type of cancern known to man and probably some ones we don't know yet, makes your balls fall off turning your penis into a vegana.
The modern units aren't better, they're actually worse. The compressors are now all made in china and don't last long anymore, the coolant is some eco friendly shit with worse properties lowering efficiency, and to look sleek and elegant the insulation is thinner.
Can't beat physics. The older ones are build to be more efficient with lots of cheap, thick insulation, sturdy western made indestructable compressors running a closed loop with oil filling that is circulated ... basically indestructable. Totally overbuild, designed to last 50 years by accident.
>ozne ddeystroyin coolent
literal propaganda lies used to justify phasing out patent free coolents for more expensive and legally protected ones. The chemical reaction required to harm ozone only happens when said chemicals magically make their way up into outerfricking space. Your fridge coolent is never ever going into the atmosphere no matter what you do. Same with the cancer concerns. What are you doing, popping the tubbing out and drinking it?
my grandma got a fridge given to her from the 50s. she still has the thing and it runs great, still has a nice look too.
it was placed in the garage once, in the 60s, and been there ever since.
electricity is cheap and i can live without the time and effort of getting a new fridge 12 times in that same timeframe.
Electric efficiency for private persons is a meme. It makes a huge difference on a grid-wide scale, but individuals won't notice the difference on their electric bills.
I'll show it with some math. I use European prices, about 70 cents per kWh
The claimed difference between a "class A", fridge, and a "class F" fridge is 200 kWh annually. I got this number by finding a family sized fridge/freezer in each class on a Danish electronics website, no English.
So 200*0.7 = 140 dollars/year, extra for the scuffed fridge.
The "F class" fridge cost 1100 dollars less than the hi-tech one. 1100/140 = 8 years, before "F" is more expensive than "A".
Based on the above numbers, I'd say the price is similar when you factor in product lifetime (And assume you don't finance it)
Back to old fridges, assuming they have an "F" power rating, but last 60 years, that's 60*140=8400 dollars on electricity extra in a 60 year period. If you buy a hi tech fridge every 5 years it's not even gonna be close.
dude, a normal sized f class fridge consumes like 300kWh, while your average 1970-80 fridge consumes around 2000kWh, maybe try checking out wikipedia before doing maths
> redefining what 'cold' was
Ha ha, yes, some people never learn.
The way politicians reduce crime is by making things legal, the’ve been doing that fir thousands of years.
70 cents a kwh, holy peanut butter drenched monkey breasts batperson, in th eus even in the biggest cities we pay like 30 cents, i live in the boonies and pay 7.1 cents a kwh. if i was european i would seek out new professors and lawyers and beg them to enrich/ diviersify me.
Phase change based fridges were highly efficient in the 1950-60's already.
More efficient than now actually since they use some godawful coolant which destroys the ozone layer, gives you every type of cancern known to man and probably some ones we don't know yet, makes your balls fall off turning your penis into a vegana.
The modern units aren't better, they're actually worse. The compressors are now all made in china and don't last long anymore, the coolant is some eco friendly shit with worse properties lowering efficiency, and to look sleek and elegant the insulation is thinner.
Can't beat physics. The older ones are build to be more efficient with lots of cheap, thick insulation, sturdy western made indestructable compressors running a closed loop with oil filling that is circulated ... basically indestructable. Totally overbuild, designed to last 50 years by accident.
>More efficient than now actually since they use some godawful coolant which destroys the ozone layer, gives you every type of cancern known to man and probably some ones we don't know yet, makes your balls fall off turning your penis into a vegana.
OH NO! Good thing its sealed in perfectly strong and robust system that will work for at least a century, right!?
They were using R22 or similar, which is pretty inert.
Some modern fridges are actually using something called "R600A" which contains butane/isobutane.
>saving money by not buying into the modern consoomer meme is israeli
You dumb frick, the negative stereotypes about israeli people largely revolved around them being greedy rather than being thrifty. If you're going to be a moronic hatespeech meme repeater, then at least try to get your antisemitism on brand.
how the frick is using an older, cheaper refrigerator endangering others?
That anon you're trying to shit on is complaining about poor QC and manufacturing of modern chinese compressors, etc etc.
It's a fact that newer refrigerators don't tend to last as long as the older units, while being packed with stupid features that a lot of users don't care about in order to justify their insane price tags.
You can go to Lowe's and buy a $2000 fridge that will last 5 years if you want, but I'm going to keep using my $100 craigslist special
>Cutting corners to save money (and endangering others thereby) is also a israeli stereotype.
New fridges with 600a (propane) do explode occasionally.
The old ones are 100% safe.
Also consumerism and throw-away society attitude will kill us all due to microplastics.
You're as dumb as they come.
If we had any sense fridges would have a 2mm dent proof stainless steel exterior, compressors designed to have their ball bearings and piston rings swapped every 50 years, standardized parts in general and would last indefinately with minor maintenance.
That would be stupid so no and you don't either. Every machine has an acceptable service life after which failure doesn't matter because it's paid for itself many times over.
My machines are tools, not fetishes. If I wanted a commercial chiller I'd fricking buy one then install it. I don't need one. OP knows xir is being moronic. KYS.
>Every machine has an acceptable service life after which failure doesn't matter because it's paid for itself many times over.
How do you calculate an "acceptable service life" of an appliance, or tool, homosexual!?
Old fridges had a big assed condenser coil on the back of the fridge. New units hide a small condenser coil on the bottom of the fridge that has a fan running over it. Pull your fridge out clean the coil and fans etc. with a brush then blow on it with a compressor and sweep its hole. Thats the only maintenance you should be performing on it besides defrosting its freezer drain line with hot water...The likelyhood of needing to charge a fridge with refrigerant is slim to nil.
Also this guy sounds like a b***h and the estrogenic mimickers I can smell on his posts. Definitely sticks foreign objects up his ass while sitting in his gaymer chair and posting on re.ddit if you asked my opinion. Disgusting.
My grandada still has the same machine he bought in the 60s, and it still just about works although its a little warm. It's never been altered or refurbished in any way. Probably breaks 20 different bullshit environmental laws, but hey. They really don't make em like they used to.
My parents have one just like in OPs gay meme that has been running continuously since 1978. When they moved to the new house it went in the basement and they use it for beer and frozen food just fine.
I had to Black person rig my circa 2021 refrigerator to bypass the computer/temp sensor causing the defrost to short cycle. Can't wait to see what goes wrong next.
My samsung twin cooler fridge has 3 problems:
1. The r134a is completely gone/leaked out and I can’t buy it anymore easily or cheaply.
2. They used steel underneath the coils and they rusted away since water pools there where the defrost coils are and water pools. I’m pretty sure the “engineers” would have known it will rust.
3. The electronics are shot. It cycles through the temperatures all day unless I’m able to catch it in a good mood and the “child lock” button works. I’m guessing this is like the BMW “service” light… a timer probably went off since samsung wants money.
https://i.imgur.com/1w0hGyr.jpg
Materials get better, and engineering gets better. Material science, coil configuration, etc etc all get better. I’ll say it again, it’s like comparing car engines from 50 years ago to modern cars. Internal combustion engines might work pretty much the same way, but things like fuel injection are just better overall for your typical, doesn’t even know they have it, consumer. >they don’t make them like they used to
And that’s exactly what consumers want. With the exception of very high end and commercial uses, no one wants well-made but more expensive shit. Look at an old GE fridge and even the handles were well-made mechanical latches, but people absolutely would not buy those if they were made today. Everyone b***hes about how we don’t make high-quality goods anymore.. then they buy chinkshit off Amazon to save a few bucks in the short term. >inb4 someone in this thread says “well they’re all rubes, I buy quality stuff and take care of it”
Well congrats, but that’s not the norm. And most people who say that are lying to themselves
The average person doesn’t even think of their cars tire pressure unless a light blinks on. It never crosses their mind to service their hvac or even change the filter till it stops working. They don’t even vacuum behind their fridges. It’s what people want.
> materials & engineering get better.
“Better” to manufacturers means more money. Period. They even calculate in the legal costs for the class action lawsuits.
Nice graph from the manufacturers. LOL. The opposite is probably true then. Icemakers have an *extra* heating coil just for that, in addition to the one for the freezer. Thats just pure heat that can’t be made more efficient, at least the cooling function is a heat pump.
>whatever Big X industry says, the opposite is true
You realize people can pretty easily measure temp and energy usage? Just because you’re a clueless idiot doesn’t mean everyone is. And if any information you don’t like can be disregarded as long as you bury your head in the sand deep enough… then I choose to believe you are a troony shill, coping over being low IQ by muddying the conversations of anyone with anything smart to say.
The GE Garage ready from the 90s with icemaker, will run all the time if the ice arm is down and cause people to get rid of them.
Put the arm up, clean the fan and the water drain on the back and its good as new
>this one out of hundreds of thousands is still running >must mean everything made back then lasts forever
all the crappy fridges made in 1980 broke in 1980 you dumb midwits
A lot of people that had 80s fridges didn’t dump them because they broke, it’s because the wife wanted french doors because it was a fad.
Then dumped them again when they wanted the freezer on the bottom fad.
Then dumped them again when they wanted stainless steel.
Then dumped them again when they had kids to get “fingerprint free” stainless steel. (It’s just covered in clear lacquer)
Then dumped them again to get one with icemakers.
Then again for cold, filtered water, and an icemaker that “really works this time”
Now they’re going for a straight-on subscription model with internet connected “smart” features.
Although, you can tell they already kind of had that, as the ex-con repairman still wants to pull in a six-figure salary, and the replacement parts to make a fridge would cost 10x the purchase price of a new one even those parts only have a 1 year availability now.
A lot of people that had 80s fridges didn’t dump them because they broke, it’s because the wife wanted french doors because it was a fad.
Then dumped them again when they wanted the freezer on the bottom fad.
Then dumped them again when they wanted stainless steel.
Then dumped them again when they had kids to get “fingerprint free” stainless steel. (It’s just covered in clear lacquer)
Then dumped them again to get one with icemakers.
Then again for cold, filtered water, and an icemaker that “really works this time”
Now they’re going for a straight-on subscription model with internet connected “smart” features.
Although, you can tell they already kind of had that, as the ex-con repairman still wants to pull in a six-figure salary, and the replacement parts to make a fridge would cost 10x the purchase price of a new one even those parts only have a 1 year availability now.
I wish I had an ice-maker. The fridge came with the house and I'm still salty at the previous owner for not getting one with an icemaker
>have to refill it each time >Make sure it doesn't spill when putting it back >pain in the ass getting the ice especially when you want a lot of ice
7 months ago
Anonymous
At least it works
7 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/08y8CNf.jpg
Here's your ice maker, bro
are you really that lazy? I still use those trays they do their job just fine. My fridge has an ice maker too I just never use it because it feels gross never to get into cleaning all the internals.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kek. Jesus Christ, so much for "do it yourself", eh.
OP here. My fridge is fixed now. The repair guy replaced the starter relay thing. He put in a different model and says it's fine. It looks thinner compared to the original. It looks like the the one he got won't break, but will cause the compressor take all the negative hits until the compressor breaks instead.
Old fridges were overbuilt as frick. Picture related. Old units were also easy to service. Getting parts is an issue but if you really know what you are doing you can swap in modern stuff and make it work. There's only two things to worry about really. The old locking mechanisms actually killed a bunch of kids. They can't be opened from inside and little kids would get locked in (because boomers were just as stupid then as they are now). Also, they are not 'modern' in any sense of the term. Many really old units didn't have storage in the doors, adjustable shelves, drawers, or even freezers that could hold anything larger than some ice trays. Feature rich older units in working condition actually go for serious money so getting something decent can be costly.
The things that make old fridges shit was automatic defrost. The would literally heat the walls of the fridge several times a day to melt the ice so you didn't have to scrape it. Some fridges were so bad at this they would spoil food faster than if they were in a 'normal' fridge. The feature rolled out starting in the1960s so most fridges before that were actually pretty efficient. If you can get a nice unit from that era you'll want to disable or better control the defrost circuit.
In the 1970s the government got on the case of manufactures because of the oil crisis and how much power they were wasting. They became somewhat efficient again, mostly by better defrost management, but were still worse than a non-defrost unit. In 2000s Uncle Sam went after the companies again because they had been dragging their feet on efficiency and modern fridges finally surpassed units from 50 years before. That said, they are weak-ass things now. Huge, efficient, convenient, but made of Chinese plastic, unserviceable, full of useless computer shit, and delicate.
Not a Big White Appliance Inc shill, but anyone claiming newer fridges aren't (significantly) more energy-efficient is at it. And where the thermostat chucks it and your American shed-size 50-70s coffin is running more or less full tilt, and you don't notice until your next bill.. that shit will ruin your fricking day alright.
Supposedly its the old defrost shit models that spike up the total energy consumption. Maybe the compressors are slightly more efficient, but the insulation of old ones sure as hell was better, as long as the seals hold.
> runs full tilt
Most newer refrigerators run the compressor almost continuously, like 90% of the time.
There is now inverter compressors that vary their speed continuously.
Like inverter microwave ovens the extra complexity makes them fail continuously as well
Materials get better, and engineering gets better. Material science, coil configuration, etc etc all get better. I’ll say it again, it’s like comparing car engines from 50 years ago to modern cars. Internal combustion engines might work pretty much the same way, but things like fuel injection are just better overall for your typical, doesn’t even know they have it, consumer. >they don’t make them like they used to
And that’s exactly what consumers want. With the exception of very high end and commercial uses, no one wants well-made but more expensive shit. Look at an old GE fridge and even the handles were well-made mechanical latches, but people absolutely would not buy those if they were made today. Everyone b***hes about how we don’t make high-quality goods anymore.. then they buy chinkshit off Amazon to save a few bucks in the short term. >inb4 someone in this thread says “well they’re all rubes, I buy quality stuff and take care of it”
Well congrats, but that’s not the norm. And most people who say that are lying to themselves
The average person doesn’t even think of their cars tire pressure unless a light blinks on. It never crosses their mind to service their hvac or even change the filter till it stops working. They don’t even vacuum behind their fridges. It’s what people want.
EFI was perfected somewhere around the late-80s and 90s, everything after has been a downgrade. Hell you could even have a very reliable and economic carbureted engine if you want.
The electric motors in 1950's fridges are 80% efficient.
Insulation on modern fridges is thinner.
There is no room up.
This chart you posted is complete bullshit, the "savings" are from actually cheating customers.
Modern washing machines have shorter cycles, and cheat you on the temperature. You might set 60 degrees, but it will only do 50.
Same with fridges, they're simply less cold unless you set the thermostat to max.
>Modern washing machines have shorter cycles, and cheat you on the temperature. You might set 60 degrees, but it will only do 50.
Nu-stoves will do that too. >want to boil that water really, really sanic fast >*thermistor cuts off* sorry, can't let you do that, Dave
It's always going to come down to circuit boards vs analogue. I try to keep all my analogue appliances alive at all costs - not doing circuit board level repairs at home where with my old dishwasher, oven, fridge, washer/dryer are all OG non microchip components.
The only reason your grandpa's fridge lasted forever is because he wasn't a broke neetgay like you and he believed "you get what you pay for".
Go to the store and buy one with a 10yr warranty. When the salesgay comes up and says: >Hey sucker, buy this storebrand one with a 6mo warranty
Tell him if he keeps talking you'll piss in his mouth and start to unzip your pants.
A 1980 refrigerator is probably going to work like shit and require maintenance, and with the electricity bill that you pay for it you could easily afford buying a new refrigerator every 5 years.
LOL, LMAO! Just replace the seals.
did you even watch that video?
Check out timestamp 8:40....
He says that his comparison doesn't mean anything and it's apples and oranges because of the difference in size between the two units and the fact that the kitchen fridge gets opened dozens of times a day compared to the beer fridge that gets opened maybe once a day.
>require maintenance,
It's a fricking compressor and some tubes. Are you that easily filtered?
>It's a fricking compressor and some tubes
And an insulated box.
You can cool down your wardrobe with a compressor and tubes but what makes it efficient is the insulation.
No. That’s just one factor.
Uh, No. Not likely.
very little has "improved" with home appliances outside of the use of more electronics for the controls.
The compressors and coils are the same design they have been for a while. It's just their quality has gone in the shitter.
>compressor and coils are the same design
Lol no. Is a model T and a ford GT the same design engine because “well hurrr it’s just some pistons around that blow up and move a shaft. If you’re just a handyman that’s fine, but stick to being a parts swapper
Compressors are very similar, modern ones are just cost-optimized... Unless they are BLDC inverter shit, then a bit different.
Coils are different, in old fridges there were no defrost.
But most contributing factor to inefficiency is insulation. Old fridges used asbestos/fiberglass/whatever, and new ones use foam, and it much thicker too.
In anything, only R600a gas fridges are more efficient than old R12 ones. R134a is less efficient than R12
>Old fridges used asbestos/fiberglass/whatever, and new ones use foam, and it much thicker too.
Would the old insulations not be better or equal? Now I don't know shit about fridges but I know something about euro home insulations. Styrofoam blocks work fine, it's dirt cheap but needs to be quite thick. Mineral wool is seen as premium and needs to be much less thick for the same effectiveness. Can't see why the same wouldn't apply to a fridge unless there's more to it than just material and thickness, which there probably is.
Old fridges are way thicker and heavier than new ones. No idea about material differences, but most of the new ones have a plastic inner lining compared to old ones that were all metal inside and out.
>oey vey goyim trust us, if you dont buy a new 3000$ appliance every 4 years you're going to spend more than that on electricity
have a nice day you delusional moron.
>ozne ddeystroyin coolent
literal propaganda lies used to justify phasing out patent free coolents for more expensive and legally protected ones. The chemical reaction required to harm ozone only happens when said chemicals magically make their way up into outerfricking space. Your fridge coolent is never ever going into the atmosphere no matter what you do. Same with the cancer concerns. What are you doing, popping the tubbing out and drinking it?
based. the push against big tobacco was because it was an industry owned by Caucasians
my grandma got a fridge given to her from the 50s. she still has the thing and it runs great, still has a nice look too.
it was placed in the garage once, in the 60s, and been there ever since.
electricity is cheap and i can live without the time and effort of getting a new fridge 12 times in that same timeframe.
Electric efficiency for private persons is a meme. It makes a huge difference on a grid-wide scale, but individuals won't notice the difference on their electric bills.
I'll show it with some math. I use European prices, about 70 cents per kWh
The claimed difference between a "class A", fridge, and a "class F" fridge is 200 kWh annually. I got this number by finding a family sized fridge/freezer in each class on a Danish electronics website, no English.
So 200*0.7 = 140 dollars/year, extra for the scuffed fridge.
The "F class" fridge cost 1100 dollars less than the hi-tech one. 1100/140 = 8 years, before "F" is more expensive than "A".
Based on the above numbers, I'd say the price is similar when you factor in product lifetime (And assume you don't finance it)
Back to old fridges, assuming they have an "F" power rating, but last 60 years, that's 60*140=8400 dollars on electricity extra in a 60 year period. If you buy a hi tech fridge every 5 years it's not even gonna be close.
>assuming 60 year old fridges would have an current year "F" power rating..
bro
dude, a normal sized f class fridge consumes like 300kWh, while your average 1970-80 fridge consumes around 2000kWh, maybe try checking out wikipedia before doing maths
the energy consumption difference is huge
>compressors are 4 times more efficient than they used to be
Nah.
All the big dips in the graph came from them redefining what 'cold' was.maybe the 70s suck because auto defrost sucked then.
Old fridge is fine. I'm not spending $100 a month on my old fridge. Get out of here you fricking lobbyist.
Enjoy your fridge boys.
> redefining what 'cold' was
Ha ha, yes, some people never learn.
The way politicians reduce crime is by making things legal, the’ve been doing that fir thousands of years.
70 cents a kwh, holy peanut butter drenched monkey breasts batperson, in th eus even in the biggest cities we pay like 30 cents, i live in the boonies and pay 7.1 cents a kwh. if i was european i would seek out new professors and lawyers and beg them to enrich/ diviersify me.
They also spend 7$ per gallon of gas but...
>Muh healthcare
your picture literally has "break" in it, and you still chose to be moronic
Phase change based fridges were highly efficient in the 1950-60's already.
More efficient than now actually since they use some godawful coolant which destroys the ozone layer, gives you every type of cancern known to man and probably some ones we don't know yet, makes your balls fall off turning your penis into a vegana.
The modern units aren't better, they're actually worse. The compressors are now all made in china and don't last long anymore, the coolant is some eco friendly shit with worse properties lowering efficiency, and to look sleek and elegant the insulation is thinner.
Can't beat physics. The older ones are build to be more efficient with lots of cheap, thick insulation, sturdy western made indestructable compressors running a closed loop with oil filling that is circulated ... basically indestructable. Totally overbuild, designed to last 50 years by accident.
>More efficient than now actually since they use some godawful coolant which destroys the ozone layer, gives you every type of cancern known to man and probably some ones we don't know yet, makes your balls fall off turning your penis into a vegana.
OH NO! Good thing its sealed in perfectly strong and robust system that will work for at least a century, right!?
A lady I know has a century old fridge. She must be pushing 80 years old and her parents got it as a wedding gift.
They were using R22 or similar, which is pretty inert.
Some modern fridges are actually using something called "R600A" which contains butane/isobutane.
post your hook nose
>saving money by not buying into the modern consoomer meme is israeli
You dumb frick, the negative stereotypes about israeli people largely revolved around them being greedy rather than being thrifty. If you're going to be a moronic hatespeech meme repeater, then at least try to get your antisemitism on brand.
Cutting corners to save money (and endangering others thereby) is also a israeli stereotype.
how the frick is using an older, cheaper refrigerator endangering others?
That anon you're trying to shit on is complaining about poor QC and manufacturing of modern chinese compressors, etc etc.
It's a fact that newer refrigerators don't tend to last as long as the older units, while being packed with stupid features that a lot of users don't care about in order to justify their insane price tags.
You can go to Lowe's and buy a $2000 fridge that will last 5 years if you want, but I'm going to keep using my $100 craigslist special
>Cutting corners to save money (and endangering others thereby) is also a israeli stereotype.
New fridges with 600a (propane) do explode occasionally.
The old ones are 100% safe.
Also consumerism and throw-away society attitude will kill us all due to microplastics.
You're as dumb as they come.
If we had any sense fridges would have a 2mm dent proof stainless steel exterior, compressors designed to have their ball bearings and piston rings swapped every 50 years, standardized parts in general and would last indefinately with minor maintenance.
And the reason fridges arent built like that is because of the israelites.
i cant take it this is so antisemitic, how do you expect bankers to make money unless you take ten year loans for fridges, oy vey.
That would be stupid so no and you don't either. Every machine has an acceptable service life after which failure doesn't matter because it's paid for itself many times over.
My machines are tools, not fetishes. If I wanted a commercial chiller I'd fricking buy one then install it. I don't need one. OP knows xir is being moronic. KYS.
>Every machine has an acceptable service life after which failure doesn't matter because it's paid for itself many times over.
How do you calculate an "acceptable service life" of an appliance, or tool, homosexual!?
This. Why are there so.many Big Fridge shills in diy. Wtf is thisnshit.
an acceptable service life is when I get tired of fixing it.
Old fridges had a big assed condenser coil on the back of the fridge. New units hide a small condenser coil on the bottom of the fridge that has a fan running over it. Pull your fridge out clean the coil and fans etc. with a brush then blow on it with a compressor and sweep its hole. Thats the only maintenance you should be performing on it besides defrosting its freezer drain line with hot water...The likelyhood of needing to charge a fridge with refrigerant is slim to nil.
Also this guy sounds like a b***h and the estrogenic mimickers I can smell on his posts. Definitely sticks foreign objects up his ass while sitting in his gaymer chair and posting on re.ddit if you asked my opinion. Disgusting.
>Old fridges had a big assed condenser coil on the back of the fridge.
Modern cheapshit eurofridges still have that.
Because old fridges were simpler, no defrost technology or anything. You can still buy new ones like this, will probably last just as long.
>Old fridges had a big assed condenser coil on the back of the fridge
They still do... Our Bosch from 2014 sure does.
My grandada still has the same machine he bought in the 60s, and it still just about works although its a little warm. It's never been altered or refurbished in any way. Probably breaks 20 different bullshit environmental laws, but hey. They really don't make em like they used to.
My parents have one just like in OPs gay meme that has been running continuously since 1978. When they moved to the new house it went in the basement and they use it for beer and frozen food just fine.
I had to Black person rig my circa 2021 refrigerator to bypass the computer/temp sensor causing the defrost to short cycle. Can't wait to see what goes wrong next.
>buy samsung
>turn out you need to buy dlc samsung kit to fix it's water issue, and you might well add an additional heater.
kek.
Samsung makes annoying consumer electronics
> samsung
My samsung twin cooler fridge has 3 problems:
1. The r134a is completely gone/leaked out and I can’t buy it anymore easily or cheaply.
2. They used steel underneath the coils and they rusted away since water pools there where the defrost coils are and water pools. I’m pretty sure the “engineers” would have known it will rust.
3. The electronics are shot. It cycles through the temperatures all day unless I’m able to catch it in a good mood and the “child lock” button works. I’m guessing this is like the BMW “service” light… a timer probably went off since samsung wants money.
> materials & engineering get better.
“Better” to manufacturers means more money. Period. They even calculate in the legal costs for the class action lawsuits.
Nice graph from the manufacturers. LOL. The opposite is probably true then. Icemakers have an *extra* heating coil just for that, in addition to the one for the freezer. Thats just pure heat that can’t be made more efficient, at least the cooling function is a heat pump.
>whatever Big X industry says, the opposite is true
You realize people can pretty easily measure temp and energy usage? Just because you’re a clueless idiot doesn’t mean everyone is. And if any information you don’t like can be disregarded as long as you bury your head in the sand deep enough… then I choose to believe you are a troony shill, coping over being low IQ by muddying the conversations of anyone with anything smart to say.
>a brand new fridge is more efficient than a fridge that has 25+ years of wear and tear
No shit.
Why are you still using it if the coolant is gone?
The GE Garage ready from the 90s with icemaker, will run all the time if the ice arm is down and cause people to get rid of them.
Put the arm up, clean the fan and the water drain on the back and its good as new
I was expecting anons recommending more reliable custom parts that would run for decades.
>this one out of hundreds of thousands is still running
>must mean everything made back then lasts forever
all the crappy fridges made in 1980 broke in 1980 you dumb midwits
Name one chinkshit fridge from the 80s. Not that there weren't duds.
A lot of people that had 80s fridges didn’t dump them because they broke, it’s because the wife wanted french doors because it was a fad.
Then dumped them again when they wanted the freezer on the bottom fad.
Then dumped them again when they wanted stainless steel.
Then dumped them again when they had kids to get “fingerprint free” stainless steel. (It’s just covered in clear lacquer)
Then dumped them again to get one with icemakers.
Then again for cold, filtered water, and an icemaker that “really works this time”
Now they’re going for a straight-on subscription model with internet connected “smart” features.
Although, you can tell they already kind of had that, as the ex-con repairman still wants to pull in a six-figure salary, and the replacement parts to make a fridge would cost 10x the purchase price of a new one even those parts only have a 1 year availability now.
Icemakers are pretty cool though. But you could have got the add on in the 80s if you really wanted.
Door water is dumb, takes forever to dispense.
I wish I had an ice-maker. The fridge came with the house and I'm still salty at the previous owner for not getting one with an icemaker
Here's your ice maker, bro
>have to refill it each time
>Make sure it doesn't spill when putting it back
>pain in the ass getting the ice especially when you want a lot of ice
At least it works
are you really that lazy? I still use those trays they do their job just fine. My fridge has an ice maker too I just never use it because it feels gross never to get into cleaning all the internals.
Kek. Jesus Christ, so much for "do it yourself", eh.
because everyone knows of obscure fridges from 40 years ago
you fricking idiot
OP here. My fridge is fixed now. The repair guy replaced the starter relay thing. He put in a different model and says it's fine. It looks thinner compared to the original. It looks like the the one he got won't break, but will cause the compressor take all the negative hits until the compressor breaks instead.
Old fridges were overbuilt as frick. Picture related. Old units were also easy to service. Getting parts is an issue but if you really know what you are doing you can swap in modern stuff and make it work. There's only two things to worry about really. The old locking mechanisms actually killed a bunch of kids. They can't be opened from inside and little kids would get locked in (because boomers were just as stupid then as they are now). Also, they are not 'modern' in any sense of the term. Many really old units didn't have storage in the doors, adjustable shelves, drawers, or even freezers that could hold anything larger than some ice trays. Feature rich older units in working condition actually go for serious money so getting something decent can be costly.
The things that make old fridges shit was automatic defrost. The would literally heat the walls of the fridge several times a day to melt the ice so you didn't have to scrape it. Some fridges were so bad at this they would spoil food faster than if they were in a 'normal' fridge. The feature rolled out starting in the1960s so most fridges before that were actually pretty efficient. If you can get a nice unit from that era you'll want to disable or better control the defrost circuit.
In the 1970s the government got on the case of manufactures because of the oil crisis and how much power they were wasting. They became somewhat efficient again, mostly by better defrost management, but were still worse than a non-defrost unit. In 2000s Uncle Sam went after the companies again because they had been dragging their feet on efficiency and modern fridges finally surpassed units from 50 years before. That said, they are weak-ass things now. Huge, efficient, convenient, but made of Chinese plastic, unserviceable, full of useless computer shit, and delicate.
Not a Big White Appliance Inc shill, but anyone claiming newer fridges aren't (significantly) more energy-efficient is at it. And where the thermostat chucks it and your American shed-size 50-70s coffin is running more or less full tilt, and you don't notice until your next bill.. that shit will ruin your fricking day alright.
Supposedly its the old defrost shit models that spike up the total energy consumption. Maybe the compressors are slightly more efficient, but the insulation of old ones sure as hell was better, as long as the seals hold.
> runs full tilt
Most newer refrigerators run the compressor almost continuously, like 90% of the time.
There is now inverter compressors that vary their speed continuously.
Like inverter microwave ovens the extra complexity makes them fail continuously as well
I just replaced my old 1995 GE fridge. I'm a bit disappointed the new one has a fan. It's noisy.
Materials get better, and engineering gets better. Material science, coil configuration, etc etc all get better. I’ll say it again, it’s like comparing car engines from 50 years ago to modern cars. Internal combustion engines might work pretty much the same way, but things like fuel injection are just better overall for your typical, doesn’t even know they have it, consumer.
>they don’t make them like they used to
And that’s exactly what consumers want. With the exception of very high end and commercial uses, no one wants well-made but more expensive shit. Look at an old GE fridge and even the handles were well-made mechanical latches, but people absolutely would not buy those if they were made today. Everyone b***hes about how we don’t make high-quality goods anymore.. then they buy chinkshit off Amazon to save a few bucks in the short term.
>inb4 someone in this thread says “well they’re all rubes, I buy quality stuff and take care of it”
Well congrats, but that’s not the norm. And most people who say that are lying to themselves
The average person doesn’t even think of their cars tire pressure unless a light blinks on. It never crosses their mind to service their hvac or even change the filter till it stops working. They don’t even vacuum behind their fridges. It’s what people want.
EFI was perfected somewhere around the late-80s and 90s, everything after has been a downgrade. Hell you could even have a very reliable and economic carbureted engine if you want.
The electric motors in 1950's fridges are 80% efficient.
Insulation on modern fridges is thinner.
There is no room up.
This chart you posted is complete bullshit, the "savings" are from actually cheating customers.
Modern washing machines have shorter cycles, and cheat you on the temperature. You might set 60 degrees, but it will only do 50.
Same with fridges, they're simply less cold unless you set the thermostat to max.
>Modern washing machines have shorter cycles, and cheat you on the temperature. You might set 60 degrees, but it will only do 50.
Nu-stoves will do that too.
>want to boil that water really, really sanic fast
>*thermistor cuts off* sorry, can't let you do that, Dave
It's always going to come down to circuit boards vs analogue. I try to keep all my analogue appliances alive at all costs - not doing circuit board level repairs at home where with my old dishwasher, oven, fridge, washer/dryer are all OG non microchip components.
The only reason your grandpa's fridge lasted forever is because he wasn't a broke neetgay like you and he believed "you get what you pay for".
Go to the store and buy one with a 10yr warranty. When the salesgay comes up and says:
>Hey sucker, buy this storebrand one with a 6mo warranty
Tell him if he keeps talking you'll piss in his mouth and start to unzip your pants.
Name a fridge, or anything really with a 10yr warranty. And no, those "lifetime" warranties actually don't apply to your lifetime.
I don't know off the top of my head but you should be getting a 3-5 year full coverage and 10 year limited.
Maytag usually has good warranty plans.