Documented losses from the current state of the counteroffensive on both sides. Surprising numbers, actually.
Documented losses from the current state of the counteroffensive on both sides. Surprising numbers, actually.
Documented losses from the current state of the counteroffensive on both sides. Surprising numbers, actually.
>Ukraine has a positive ratio this early in the offensive operation
Does not bode well for the Russians.
Wonderful! At this rate the Ukranian Army should be a self-sustaining entity. They won't need anymore foreign aid, and perhaps they can even start paying back their generous donors, such as the US.
Yes. As soon as Russia is pushed back to pre-2014 borders and Crimea is returned to Ukrainian ownership.
Ukraine is costing the US billions but saving them trillions, imagine how expensive it would be to have WW3 because Putin got wienery and invaded the Baltics Poland
Baltics/Poland that should be
Once Russia gets 100% broken, not only Ukraine, but Europe won't need foreign military support for decades. This war is a godsend for the US taxpayer
It's a gift
Again, I don't understand why you isolationist boomers fail to grasp that a win for Ukraine will pay massive dividents to the west.
Just the dramatic deterioration in Russia's soft and hard power, their massive loss in popularity in the military market in favor of western middle-market options and the altered security reality it will bring about for Europe will already make this war pay itself back in 20 years time.
If we were grasp the full picture?
>Massive western shares in every Ukranian industry, which will boom massively post-war due to western investment.
>Economic influence will increase prosperity in adjacent westernized nations like Romania and Poland, leading to a massive drop in the need for European funding.
>Exploiting their gas supplies will result in Europe completely exchanging dependency from Russia to Ukraine, which due to the mix of shares and a debt of gratitude, will not be particularly intent on pinching pennies.
>The renewal of western political will won't just massive increase military industry across the west, but will indirectly make many stunts meant to impoverish the west dead on arrival.
The Ukraine war will pay itself back harder than the Marshal plan ever did.
Is Ukraine going to become the new eastern Poland?
They can keep it, tbh
>t. Upper rung taxpayer
They are
Pay back?
They already have. Dead Russians are as good as hard currency.
1:1 when attacked prepared defensive positions is probably good but I think it could be better
Anyone know what the ratio was at the beginning of the karkhiv or Kherson pushes?
Probably skewed massively in Ukraine's favour because of the sheer number of vehicles the Russians just abandoned.
About as good as one can hope for. Attackers tend to rack up the numbers by running down defenders.
No, like in the very beginning of those offensives, before any serious collapse or “regrouping “
The collapse was in the beginning anon.
impossible to tell and most casualties tend to be inflicted and reported only after good will gesture has begun
kherson was probably similar or worse, kharkiv was a rout so almost all losses were russians abandoning their vehicles
>Ukronazis are losing
>Somehow trading even in an offensive operation
Jesus christ, that narrative is fricking gone.
Kharkiv? Incredibly skewed towards Ukraine because it was a massive sweep, where after the initial breakthrough the Russian army just kept running until Izium where they left all their equipment in exchange for being allowed to leave.
Kherson? Should be significantly skewed in Russia's benefit. Russia had relatively little heavy material in the region while Ukraine was making due with shit like Humvee's for breakthrough attempt.
Either way, Kharkiv was them catching Russians with their pants down while Kherson was them attacking positions that were rapidly becoming untenable and impossible to keep adequate supplied.
This is a pitched battle between the best what Russia has to offer (Most of their southern task force and most of their rapid response units) and the best that Ukraine has to offer (Their best hardware, staffed by volunteer units and backed up by veteran units) where Russia has both a decisive terrain advantage and prepared and matured defensive lines.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE TRADING EVENLY
Once a breakthrough occurs it's going to be a slaughter
Uke's are headbashing defense lines, which were prepared for almost a year, and still have fewer losses than russia??. Srsly??.
Don't get me wrong. Watching russians getting clapped is like getting presents for Christmas, but every day. Yet still. I must say i am astounded. And russians shill have the auacity to spam 3 webms with bonked Bradley's and Leo's with comments : it's over...
RIP Mastiffs
they served the queen and king well
Only 4 Bradleys?
Yea that also crossed my mind. US admitted it was about 13 Bradley's. Which they wan't to replace ASAP lol. Bad decade to be russian.
>the US starts compensating lost Ukrainian equipment based on Russian propaganda figures
I doubt there is any US vehicle larger than a wheelbarrow in Ukraine that isn't being followed by US satellite from hour to hour. Or russian vehicle, for that matter. They know exactly what is in use, or damaged, or destroyed, or being towed to a repair facility.
Figures are probably a day or two old
15*
The last entry is from 10th,cso 3 days old. Both sides obviously reported more equipment kills since. Shit is happening fast.
I like how jeeps and tanks both count as 1.
Did a quick count: RU vs UA:
Tanks 18:13
IFV 24:22
APC 9:2
(SP)G 15:4
AA 2:1
Jets 0:1
Other 20:40
So the Jeeps distort the picture indeed. But the Mig lost is somewhat lost in the list as well
Other includes stuff like Humvees, MRAPs and logistics vehicles, right?
Russia has also massive interest to present every piece of destroyed equipment, while Ukraine might not want to for opsec.
How much hardware does Russia have in that area?
When did Ukraine lose a MiG-29? First I'm hearing of it.
Ukrainian list is missing Leopard 2Rs.
This list is from june 8th and 10th. We'll have to wait for new aggregates from Oryx for 12th or 13th.