Do you think any USN assets like say, the Jimmy Carter are out there right now searching for that lost sub? IIRC it has ROVs and station keeping abilities, as well as who knows what other types of underwater mapping tech. Or is its primary theater the Pacific?
They are dead. They were taken down by a Russian sub that stumbled across them while it was spying off the East coast.
we didnt touch them
No, US military subs diving depth caps out around 500 meters, a good ~3000-3500 meters above the depth the titanic is at.
Realistically only scientific submersibles are designed to operate at those depths.
The vast majority of the world's deep sea rescue vehicles are also specifically designed to go down to ~500-700 meters (the deepest you might expect to find a military sub). There has simply never been a deep sea rescue even attempted at depths approaching what this sub was at.
No no, I know that the sub cannot reach that depth, but one of the theorized objectives of this sub has been to retrieve objects from the bottom of the ocean (NK reentry vehicles). The station keep at a certain depth, and the deployed ROVs descend the rest of the distance. I know there's realistically no hope for those people. The logistics of trying to recover anything at that depth is a massive undertaking (Project Azorian), but at least they could potentially help locate it, waste of resources or not.
even the US recovery subs don't have the range to recover at 3000m+ as far as I know
those are the specialist navy recovery vehicles too
>he doesn't know Alvin is a US Navy ship and literally had the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal awarded to it
Alvin can't go that deep.
DSRVs couldn't go that deep.
Not much can.
A big grapple might.
>Alvin can't go that deep.
Wrong. Alvin can do over 6000 meters. Titanic is 3700.
But there isn't enough time to get Alvin on station.
It doesn't matter anon they know they are all dead, the Coast guard knows this from the beginning, it's now a fricking show for the media until they find the sub
I'm well aware they are all dead, anon. I'm not having this discussion because I'm clinging onto some hope that they're alive.
I'm in this discussion to discuss the technical capabilities of submarines and other vessels. And anon here seems to have no clue about what Alvin is capable of, but feels the need to fart out his opinions anyway.
>I'm clinging onto some hope that they're alive
If only you knew how bad that vehicle was made you will have no doubt about the outcome, but I appreciate the sentiment
>but I appreciate the sentiment
nah, you didn't even read the post you replied to, but here's a (you) anyway. IDGAF about the crew of the shitsub.
>IDGAF about the crew of the shitsub.
We are not pretending to be moronic are we?
You're talking to a literal autist, anon. The idea of pretending to be moronic is incomprehensible to me.
hahah ELS/TLDR moron doesn't know how to parse a sentence with more than one clause
Dum Dum.
Of course manned submersibles can go that deep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautile
This one was among the first to explore the Titanic in 1987, it can dive to 6000m with 3 people on board.
moron, Alvin was the first sub to visit the Titanic.
Unfortunately Alvin's support ship appears to be near San Diego, which probably means Alvin is there too. Doubt it would get on the scene anytime soon.
Please tell me you are not this moronic, I am hoping this is a troll, Alvin is literally the submarine that was the first to dive to the wreck of the Titanic. This post has demoralized me about the intelligence of humanity more than anything else I've read this week
Welcome to /k/ bro, enjoy your stay.
Alvin is state of the art technology compared to the piece of shit that sub was
Did they pull an Ivy Bells in the Gulf of Hormuz or something?
Even if US subs could secretly go deep enough to recover this one, the US military would be moronic to make that capability known in order to save a handful of rich thrill seekers.
If 500m is the public number for max depth then it's real max depth is definitely lower than that, but not 5-6x it.
yeah, 700-1000m seems reasonable, maybe 1500m.
Not 4000m.
aren't military subs constrained to shallow waters?
going 4 clicks down is not an option for those afaik
seawolfs are the deepest operating military subs, and they max out at around 1,600 feet. The titanic sub is 13,000 feet deep at the least
No those people are as dead as they would be if they tried to land a space shuttle on the sun.
even if they are a nuke sub can't dive 4000m you need something specially built for the pressures
They will attempt to recover some of the weapons they were supposed to deliver, that was certainly not a civilian mission.
Why would an piece of garbage with no payload deliver anything? Your nigtardedness is off the charts and not even good bait. Try harder, homosexual.
Yeah homosexual a moronic CEO, a French scientist, a British billionaire, a Paki billionaire and his son and your mother were all going to deliver weapons of mass destruction to Ukraine
his mother was the weapon stupid
warcrime
I think our SOSUS arrays may have heard that sub implode, and they’ll just send down ROVs to confirm that those tourists are all spam in a can.
If they haven’t heard it implode and it has electrical failure, they could send down an ROV from an IMR boat to attach a cable to it so they could winch it up.
But that’s assuming there are Oil Patch IMR boats in the vicinity, (which there aren’t), and that they’re close enough and equipped to do this rescue work.
The math says those folks are already dead from huffing their own farts, like the boys in the Kursk.
I read today that they were hearing banging every 30 minutes. So SOSUS could probably be picking that up. That's got to be grim for the SOSUS operators. Hearing tapping on your earphones and knowing it's people that have no realistic chance at survival.
>they could send down an ROV from an IMR boat to attach a cable to it so they could winch it up.
That sounds like the only feasible plan to recover the vehicle. It would have to be in the vicinity already and ready to deploy for those people to have a chance though.
Which isn’t going to happen.
There is no oil exploration or production in the area…the nearest might be off of St. John’s in Newfoundland, and they would likely already be chartered, (especially in this oil market).
Those people were dead as soon as they submerged, frankly.
They were heading to a place that just doesn’t forgive you for frick-ups and corner-cutting, slack-assedness, ignorance, hubris, and “muh budget”.
Frankly, the most responsible thing they could do at this point is to try and implode the sub deliberately so they don’t risk other people who might try to rescue them.
Not really disagreeing with you. Mostly my thread was thinly veiled attempt at discussing the capabilities of the Jimmy Carter.
Its so LONG
>That sounds like the only feasible plan to recover the vehicle.
They were actually lucky in that regard and had a very advanced oilfield ship get on site quite quickly, with two ROVs that can go that deep. But that hasn't done any good so far. Trying to find the sub with an ROV is like you trying to find a bobcat at night in a 50,000 acre ranch using a keychain flashlight.
>So SOSUS could probably be picking that up.
SOSUS got shut down 20 years ago.
SUS!
That's media bullshit, there's no chance a few people, most of which are old fricks, are making enough noise to be picked up
They would have had to been listening at the right moment and know what they were looking for to detect the sub's break up though. The sub wasn't reported missing to authorities for nearly 12 hours. It would have just been a minor acoustic blip that was there for maybe a second and gone completely unnoticed.
It's all recorded, dumbass.
How do you think they triangulate and analyze the readings?
this, it's all recorded. and it has been for many decades. For example, in the middle of May 1968 the US naval intelligence observed what looked like a huge search-and-recovery mission underway. They guessed that the Russians had lost a sub, so they checked the SOSUS records and found the recording of the K-129 incident several days before and were able to triangulate the location well enough to find the wreck despite being at a much greater depth than this.
Do you even know how fricking moronic that sub was made? There's nothing recording there, there not even replacement batteries for the Xbox controller
The "sound" we're talking about is the sub imploding if the hull failed. That does not require any active sources of noise on the sub.
I honestly hope they keep the results of this secret like they did K-129 or Thresher, since I bet that when they recover it, presuming the pressure vessel hasn't broken, they'll be able to recover data off their phones and the like. We don't need to see that shit. Some things are better left alone.
Speak for yourself pussy I want to see it
phones dropped into deep water without oxygen actually do decently well, weirdly enough. if it shorts and dumps the power you can recover that stuff. phones recovered from plane accidents over the ocean have had data recovered from them, theres a case about some kids iphone getting brought up by the family so they could have some last memories. imagine finding out your kids history full of pokemon and troony porn, lel.
I want to see the exact moment they got crushed
>recording devices don't exist
>But that’s assuming there are Oil Patch IMR boats in the vicinity,
They were reporting that a Canadian oil pipeline lying vessel was on station with ROVs on the first day.
>Pipeline vessel Deep Energy, operated by TechnipFMC, arrived on site on 20 June 2023 with two ROVs and other equipment suited to the seabed depths in the area
Other ships are on the way as well, but probably too late.
>Atlantic Merlin (ROV), MV Horizon Arctic, Skandi Vinland (ROV), French Research Vessel L'Atalante (ROV), and HMCS Glace Bay. Glace Bay carries medical personnel and a mobile decompression chamber. L'Atlante carries Victor 6000, a ROV that can reach depths of up to 6,000 metres
Yeah winch it up. How much does the sub weigh, and then how much downward force are we talking about at 13K feet?
Is there any winch that can lift millions of pounds? Does it even have anything you can attach it to that would not break off with millions of pounds of force?
Unless the Woods Hole still has the equipment used to deploy the Argo/Jason ROVs (used to find the Titanic in 1985) lying around, there’s nothing that can take the weight of pulling up an entire submersible.
The US pulled up a mh60 from 19000 feet using a robot and a cable last year
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2021/03/24/navy-recovers-mh-60s-helicopter-nearly-20000-feet-underwater-in-new-record/
the jimmy is a babe
>That clown thought he could dive deeper in his carbon fiber meme tube then a state-of-the-art SSBN
I'm imagining if they're alive they're writing their last wishes on their iPhones or something. Maybe we'll get to read it one day
>write your last wishes and goodbyes on your iphone while 2 miles underwater
>5 years later the seals finally bust on the shitty carbon fiber tube you died in
>your phone is ruined
>nobody ever reads it
>some moronic fish ends up sucking up all the mush that used to be your body
bet they beat the shit out of the sub owner for building such moronic sub
if anyone deserves to have their shit slapped it's that fat dyke
They will need anti-orca countermeasures, these guys don't frick around.
its weird how all the memes took a weird classism turn today.
because that's how normies see most shit, and this thing is all over normie news
They are dead anon, this video explains it very well on how and why they were all done from the beginning
great video, thanks anon
>does anyone know SOS, we can tap on the (carbon fibre) hull!
>No... we are all rich wankers who got MBAs
>we really shouldn't have eaten the French oceanographer first...
Grim.
It would make more sense to tap on the titanium ends.
unironically what is the tactical advantage of no tether?
>expecting some "spared no expenses" CEO to invest in a surface ship capable of vectoring around to make a tether viable
baka
Tethers unironically pose an extreme risk to submersibles because they can easily become entangled.
Lots of ROVs have been lost exploring shallower wrecks like the Andrea Doris and Lusitania because they got snagged on their own tethers
Very valid points. Also at this depths you need a shitload of space for a tether of that length and a shitload of heavy kit to haul it. That's all before thinking about the effects of the currents on the thing. If If I absolutely had to visit the Titanic then I'd be going in a military owned submersible and not some carbon fibre piece of shit built by a moron.
The original four submersibles that were capable of exploring Titanic in the 80s and 90s were commissioned as naval vessels.
Alvin - US Navy
Nautile - French Navy
MIR-1 and 2 - Soviet/Russian Navy
>Alvin
What kind of stupid name is that?
USA and France build their subs, but Finland build Mir subs, so it should be USA, France and Finland
Titanic was actually discovered as part of a literal special military operation by the USN to to recover materials from the wrecks of the submarines Scorpion and Thresher. The search for the Titanic was just a cover.
Meds
it's pretty well known
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/AroundTheWorld/story?id=4978391
googling is very hard
Dumbass
Yeah that's what I was getting at. Navy people understand that the sea will frick you up, these morons didn't and that's why they are either dying or dead.
Too bad they scrapped the Glomar Explorer. It recovered a Russian sub (K-129) from a depth of 5km.
Thats one of the most advanced attack subs in the world so we probably arent wasting it on looking for 4 rich people. It also couldn't recover the sub since Jane's gives its max depth at 2,000 feet. This makes sense ad the u.s. navy sub recovery specialists max at 2,000 feet. We probably have surface ships that hunt subs looking for it though.
Anons, should the US Navy develop a manned or unmanned emergency submarine recovery system that can pick these things up down to the Titanic's depth, with a requirement that all commercial manned submarine operations have it on station at all times?
Way too expensive to even develop a prototype let alone a whole fleet of those, there's also really no reason to do it anyway these accidents are extremely rare and not worth the time and money
Or maybe build a proper submarine without carbon fiber, a logitech game controller, two cheap LCD screens and a FRICKING EMERGENCY BEACON
That thing DOES NOT HAVE ANY FRICKING BEACON, it's like they don't want to be rescued
But how is he supposed to make money? He's only asking 250k per person, that's barley enough for a Ferrari
He wasn't even making money with 250 grand/person since the fuel costs were alone close to one million. That's why they built this glorified coffin from off the shelf parts since the whole operation was a money sink.
People that would pay 250k to ride a death trap to the bottom of the ocean would probably also pay 300k to ride a death trap with some extra safety features to the bottom of the ocean. The ceo of deathtraps wasn't very bright
>The ceo of deathtraps wasn't very bright
Haha you could said that he was at the bottom of the barrel 😉
> Later in the day, the U.S. Navy announced they were sending experts and a Flyaway Deep Ocean Salvage System (FADOSS) ship lift system, which is designed to lift large and heavy objects from the deep sea. The support was expected to arrive Tuesday evening.
Mandatory inspection of privately owned submersibles would be better. Make it the responsibility of the country the operator's company is headquartered at.
That doesn't even exist right now if it's in international waters.
That said, I doubt any more billionaires are going to be coughing up money to take a ride on a deep ocean logitech sub any time soon.
>Mandatory inspection of privately owned submersibles would be better.
More government regulations is always better!
>Technology writer and reporter David Pogue, who completed the expedition in 2022 as part of a CBS News Sunday Morning feature, stated that all passengers who enter the Titan sign a waiver confirming their knowledge that it is an "experimental" vessel "that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma or death." Television producer Mike Reiss, who has also completed the expedition, noted that the waiver "mention[s] death three times on page one."
Those morons knew what they were getting into.
You can't get out of killing people through negligence by claiming they signed a waiver. And mandatory government oversight of vehicles is a thing in aviation and spaceflight (of which it has done fricking incredible things, aviation has a safety rate near rail which is completely insane when you think about it).
>You can't get out of killing people through negligence by claiming they signed a waiver.
I don't believe there is any negligence involved, the risks were very clearly explained.
>And mandatory government oversight of vehicles is a thing in aviation and spaceflight
In cases where the activity can be a threat to others, yes. And I'm cool with that. But there are experimental and ultralight categories of aircraft which don't require certification, which is appropriate for people who just want to experiment on their own and aren't risking passengers or random innocent bystanders. Same idea as cars: if you want to drive on public roads then the cars are inspected, driver license, etc. But you don't need those things to drive your experimental go-kart in the middle of your farm field.
Yeah, pretty moronic decision making on their part. And now they're going to pay for it in court. This is going to be a massive storm of lawsuits.
>I don't believe there is any negligence involved, the risks were very clearly explained.
No, that's not how it works. If you're a company providing a service for a fee, you have to make a reasonable attempt to keep things safe. A waiver will not work. Why are you bootlicking for a company that you'd never heard of before this, the CEO of which is currently stuck in a carbon fibre minivan 3 km under the Atlantic after making numerous statements along the lines of "frick their 'safety' i'm just gonna make a submarine out of shit i bought at home depot"?
>In cases where the activity can be a threat to others, yes.
Holy frick libertarians are moronic. Look up VSS Enterprise and remember that Virgin Galactic had half decent engineers on staff.
>No, that's not how it works.
I'm not talking about how the system works, I'm talking about my personal opinion.
>Why are you bootlicking for a company that you'd never heard of before this
I'm not, I think they're complete morons. And they're guilty of a lot of shit. But not negligence in my opinion, that waiver means there were people here even stupider than mister underwater CEO.
>VSS Enterprise
I can't read your mind, anon. What point were you trying to make here, I don't want to strawman you.
>I'm talking about my personal opinion.
Oh, in that case I don't care what you think.
>But not negligence in my opinion
Yes, negligence you dumbass.
>that waiver means
Absolutely nothing, since we already have reports coming out that the vessel was unsafe to begin with and the company willingly mislead customers as to the safety of the vessel. Any reasonable person going to that depth underwater will understand having to sign a waiver, they will not sign that waiver if they're made aware of very real design flaws in the submarine.
>What point were you trying to make here, I don't want to strawman you.
Just look up the NTSB report.
> they will not sign that waiver if they're made aware of very real design flaws in the submarine.
What possible thing could be a bigger "red flag" as to the condition of the submarine than a waiver which states the vessel has not been inspected by any authority? I dunno about you, but that waiver would scare me a lot more than an engineer claiming the sub was unsafe.
>Just look up the NTSB report.
I did. What conclusions would you like me to draw from it?
>experimental high tech spacecraft failed and killed someone
yes, that kind of thing tends to happen when human beings decide to push the limits of things. being a test pilot is a very dangerous career choice.
>but but he could have been saved with more regulation
Sure. And it would be safer still if we never even tried to fly in the first place. Progress has risks, so long as people understand those risks I have no problem if that choice ends up costing them their life. These people knew what they were doing.
>the company willingly mislead customers as to the safety of the vessel.
First line of the waiver literally says the safety of this craft has not been certified or tested by any regulatory body and boarding it may result in death
Using a 30 dollars Logitech controller is negligent
>"I don't want to hire old military boomers cuz they are not good for inspiration"
>"Hire a bunch of inexperience zoomers right out of college"
Making it explicitly illegal instead of a grey zone wouldn't hurt. Billionaire types love the grey zones. It's how they make their money.
Waivers also aren't the be all and end all in UK law so good luck to Rushtonne Stockdrop III's company. It would be easy to prove negligence given the wrongful termination of the employee who raised concerns about the project.
>More government regulations is always better!
In this case, yes.
>hire a bunch of college grads with zero experience to be your engineers
>nobody on the entire project has any experience serving on a submarine
>design entails bolting people inside a tiny cylinder with nearly no legroom and no way to escape except for that same bolted front end
>entire submarine controlled by a WIRELESS gaming controller
Soviet shitbox subs that cooked their crews to death with reactor radiation were better built than this
Even if those engineers are new, the feedback can still fix the design/problems. The CEO in question scoffs off any concerns about the issues about the sub from multiple different experts. Engineering is bound to make mistakes, but they can fix those mistakes with constructive feedback.
12 year old libertarian morons will screech impotently at this post while holding up the rich morons dying on board this thing as something to aspire to.
The CEO literally fired people who voiced their concerns about the safety of the vessel.
This shit gets funnier and funnier by the hour. I'm glad this idiot was on board his death trap and I hope he dies last.
He said that safety regulations were obscene in how strict they were and were stifling innovation
He should also look into why regulations were introduced, specifically in the 1800s/ early 1900s when people were making were making inventions that were safety hazards.
I should add, the person he fired specifically brought up potential damage to the carbon fiber hull caused by repeated dives.
He's come up with an innovative new way to die in a horrific preventable accident.
Deader than fricking dead, if not now then very soon.
If I were on that thing, I'd kill that CEO the moment everything went wrong. I'd tell the other passenger it's to save oxygen but really I just don't want the chance that that homosexual would outlive me.
Based I'd have drowned him in the "toilet"
>Speaking of his experience, Mr Pogue said: “It's about the size of a minivan… There's a rudimentary toilet, which amounts to little more than a couple of ziplock bags. And of course, they all brought snacks.”
Its one of those angled bottles they use for bedridden people with a couple of resealable bags to dump it into.
god i want to know what their final snacks were. what did they fight to death over
Hopefully something that makes you fart a lot.
Hard boiled eggs
quads of flatulence
I'd find a way, rage would guide me.
You wouldn't do shit, he'd hit your ass with a Stone Cold Stunner
im sure he was the actual frickwad it appears he was, but some of that certification stuff is dumb anyways.
>its good for 4k meters
>oh goo-
>we wont certify it
>w-what why
>"fingers rubbing gestures".
just ignoring it is just a dumb, but still. the fired guys werent the ones footing the bill
They bought a viewport that was certified for 1300 meters, then refused to shell out extra for one certified for 4000.
and it worked. that specific vessel had done 6 dives, atleast 2 of them the 4k. and we dont know if that viewing dome has anything to do with the failure. if there really is knocking noises every half hour and we find them dead but not turned into paste, then the dome survived almost 80 hours over double its "certified" depth.
id of refused and gotten fired just like that guy who voiced concerns, but...hey, it survived the first couple of trips.
>but...hey, it survived the first couple of trips.
This is why I think it's structural failure from repeated stress rather than electrical failure
The shitsub somehow worked, but it couldn't keep working under such extreme conditions forever.
on the flipside, if i was in there and survived, and it turned out to just be a communications issue, id go right back to those certification motherfrickers and shit right on them after they tried to get more money out of a dome...if it survived. if it comes back up, it was more then strong enough for the cert
You are a moron who doesn't understand material fatigue.
and we dont know if that dome popped yet, anon.
Go watch a video on Aloha Airlines 243
Here's a very short one
and? we still dont know if it popped or not. would i trust it to hold a bowl of cereal anymore? nope. but until we see either people paste or dead naked corpses intact but doing the human catepillar, we just dont know
>it worked
>until it didn't
You should seriously consider joining them in Davy Jones' locker. The public weal would have much to gain from it.
we dont know it it popped. yet. and so far, if the knockings real, it held.
>but...hey, it survived the first couple of trips.
and you were the sperm that made it, sometimes shit happens
They heard knocks twice and then they stopped, the navy already said that it's probably not the sub
>what is cycle fatigue
Sounds like something ~~*safety regulators*~~ made up to stifle my genius
>decide not to certify because the costs are moronic
fine
>but also use a novel and untested design
dead
>Mandatory inspection of privately owned submersibles would be better.
commie homosexual frick detected
>Mandatory inspection of privately owned
I didn't realize Hillary voters read /k/
gov intervention isn't necessary unless this industry grows beyond bored billionaires. Yeah, aviation is safe overall, but experimental and general aviation occupants die in droves. Even 135 operations can be risky. The buttfricking about to happen in civil and criminal courts will serve well enough to stop it from happening again.
They made one to recover a soviet submarine but even if they had it in the ocean right now they would need to know exactly where they’re at which they have no clue since the search area is the size of Connecticut and they have very few hours of oxygen left.
It's a massive publicity win if they do end up saving them, plus good practice for spookier shit. They have nothing to lose
Possibly I assume anything in the area with passive sonar and side scan is being diverted to search for them.
I don't know why they didn't have a rescue buoy system even a shitty EPIRB with a float like every ship and submarine is supposed to have would have helped and a fancier beacon that transmits messages and data packets from the submarine would have let them get detailed messages and info out to the world
You are asking way too much to a moron CEO with no care of his own life
Imagine before you got on a ferry the captain was standing at the gangway asking you to sign a waiver because the company couldn't be bothered getting the boat certified. Maybe there's no lifeboats or maybe it's made out of crackers, I dunno. You'd tell the captain to frick off, not get on board. Now replace "ferry" with "submarine diving beneath rescue depth" and imagine how moronic everyone involved in this escape is. If they are by some miracle rescued then they should be immediately presented with an invoice for the rescue mission.
This Black person is forgetting about space shuttle. Imagine thinking governments can save people or should.
8/10 bait
You forget Lil' John Jr landing his plane short of the runway and taking a bath like his uncle Teddy. Except in his case all drowned and USN assets recovered the bodies.
>highly trained USAF test pilots doing something to push the boundaries of science
>moron boomers boarding a tin can to gawk at a mass grave
Is that feces?
Yes, imagine the smell.
They have a small area with a privacy curtain at the back of the sub with a small bottle for pissing and shitting in. They advise passengers to alter their diet so they won't have to shit, ideally. I wonder if anyone has had to... Would make the experience so much worse. Imagine if they are in there with turds. The bottle would hold much, maybe a couple of people pissing or one person shitting from the one they showed before.
It's been almost 3 days. Someone has taken a shit if they're alive.
boomers boarding a tin can to gawk at a mass grave
that's a pretty good descriptor
> soda can withstands pressure of soda when shaken
> soda can crumples when opposite pressure diff is applied
explain
Go back to school you moron
I said this ironically and in the context of this thread to make a point about how weird it is to use a material like carbon fiber that has very different tensile and compression strengths
Requesting the video from last year where someone is prank calling Russian mothers and wives to tell them their loved ones are dead. It was set to a backdrop of drone strikes
is that thot trapped in the sub?
i know what i'd be doing with my last few hours
No, that guy being thirsty is the stepson of the billionaire on the sub.
He is clearly mourning.
What vessels can actually go deep enough to rescue the Titan? There must only be a handful
Gaben has a submarine that will do it but he's too busy working on Half Life 3 to rescue them.
The US Navy has DSV Alvin, but I'm pretty sure it's too far away to be of any use.
It's supposedly rated for like 6,500 meters, but the source for that is from 2012 and it was upgraded in 2014 for even deeper depth, so no idea what its actual final depth capability is currently. But in any case, that's more than enough for the Titanic depths.
DSV Alvin has even done the Titanic exploration dive several times.
can't it be airlifted/airdropped like normal DSRVs?
Almost all DSRVs are designed to operate at military submarine depths, like maybe 500-1000 meters.
Nowhere near deep enough for the titanic, so only scientific DSVs really fit the bill.
Alvin was literally the first sub to visit Titanic in 1986, it could make the dive. I just doubt it could be moved into position in time.
He was talking about DSRVs
What do you think the R stands for?
Correct, I said that already. Alvin however is not a DSRV, it's a DSV.
Yes it HAS done some rescue operations, but that isn't what it's designed to do.
The primary US DSRV is the Submarine Rescue Diving Recompression System (SRDRS). Previously it was DSRV-1 Mystic and DSRV-2 Avalon which could both do 1500 meters.
But in any case, none of those systems can reach titanic depths.
The mommy Carter is stationed at the Pacific, so no moron.
>a board dedicated to weapons managed to deduce the likely cause of a deep sea submersible accident (the submersible in question being a cheaply built unsafe piece of shit) literally a full day before anyone else even bothered to start asking question of why
It was an inside job by /k/
>a board dedicated to weapons has a number of ex-navy submariners on it
we used to have fighter pilots here too before all the vatniks drove them off, turns out they don't like it when they say something authoritatively and the response is "give proofs"
Neutral buoyancy…how does it WORK?
How do you think logout Preventers weighing 400 tons get placed on oil wells? How do you think the anchors for a semi-submersible drill rig get set?
Magic?
I’ve worked and maintained 350 ton capacity shipboard heave-compensated winches. Does this gay little carbon tube weight 350 tons?
Do us all a favor and go be an ignorant homosexual somewhere else, okay?
Some of us ITT actually know what we’re talikimg about and do this kind of shit for a living,
>a shittily made vessel bloweded up
Wow, only /k/'s best could've deduced this
tbh at this point I want the rescue to be successful because it would be a badass story of finding a needle in a haystack on a strict time limit.
Also imagine
>moronic boomer gets the shit sued out of him for being moronic
Could the USN fire some of their strongest torpedoes against the ocean floor and the force of the explosion could knock it loose if it was stuck or maybe give enough of an explosion to push it upwards with enough force to reach the surface?
Props for giving me a proper belly laugh.
The ocean is bullshit.
People make fun of Aquaman as a superpowered hero, but he casually lives and swims around down there.
We're more like to leave the earth than colonize the depths.
why don't we just blow up the ocean
Classified.
Why if we drained the area of the ocean the Titanic is at? We have the technology to do it and we'd likely discover so much in addition to saving the people on the sub
But then what would Aquaman do?
I'm serious. The water could just be redirected to another area of the ocean
Right, solve pic rel, Gilligan.
The only moron here is you if you think its not possible
Maybe you should start small and drain Lake Superior.
No point and no where to safely drain the water to
Low earth orbit, duh. Now stfu.
It's F, right?
No it's G
G, D, and E are disconnected from the water entirely, they don't feed from anywhere, the pipe to C is blocked
Disregarding flowrate, or assuming the pipes connecting containers have no constriction on flow rate, G
G feeds from D feeds from nowhere
Pay attention to the blockages. There's no outlet from C to D or from L to H for that matter.
I'm phoneposting from work so my shitty candybar phone screens lack of resolution screwed me on that one I guess
I'll take my L to go
waste of resources.
So what's the verdict, /k/? Are these frickers even alive or did this thing implode days ago?
Small chance they are alive.
My money's on it being a structural failure and they're long dead
I hope for their sake they died instantly because being trapped in a bolted shut tube and slowly choking to death is horrifying. If it was the viewport and the reported banging noises are just funny ocean sounds, they'd have died instantly.
>being trapped in a bolted shut tube and slowly choking to death is horrifying
Bolted in WITH urine and feces
The banging noises on the sonar suggest the more horrifying option. Imagine what they'll find on their phones if they ever find it.
I'm not convinced it's them, could be anything. Still, fricking grim as frick.
They for sure got pasted day one
If you wanted to have a nice day in there to preserve oxygen for others, realistically how could you do it?
Unless they have knives then you'd have to have someone strangle you.
Imagine if someone has strangled the others in a bid to save air for themselves.
If I was that Pakistani guy with his son, I'd probably ask to be strangled just out of guilt
I thought that too. They're all old rich frickers except the son that dude brought along. I'd want to die out of sheer guilt.
I genuinely think the best way to preserve your O2 in this situation is to just dissociate as hard as you fricking can and just breathe calmly. Any movement or exertion is going to use up your air faster, same with having a panic attack as you realize you're definitely going to die. Best to just vacate your corporeal form and reach true enlightenment asap.
Apparently one expert said the optimal way to do this would be have everyone sleep as much as possible, because that uses the least air.
Yeah that'd be good too, anything that lowers your heartrate and keeps you from flipping your shit would be effective really.
A rotting corpse will contaminate the air. The best you can do is just limit your movements.
They're locked in there with turds guys. Imagine an adult male amount of shit or even multiple shits in space of air tight minivan. They're breathing poop fumes.
It's all part of the backup emergency plan anon. Turds produce methane. Methane is lighter than air. Fill the sub with enough methane and it'll float to the surface. Easy Peasy.
2 more C130s and a C17 just landed here in st Johns.
Do you think this dude even had spare batteries for his Bluetooth controller? Why not use a hardwired USB one?
>Bluetooth controller
What?
How the frick else are you supposed to control an ultra high tech deep sea exploration vehicle than with a $30 Logitech controller?
The CEO said it should be as simple as an elevator. That green light behind him is a dive button that is used to submerge
They installed a one button solution for going back up, right? A second button wouldn't ruin the beautiful simplicity of his prefect design, r-right????
Supposedly it has 7 layers of both manual and automated ways of dropping ballast and weight such as pipes and non crucial pieces outside the craft dropping off after so many hours. Makes me think its lodged under something or already imploded
The sub is controlled with a Logitech Bluetooth gamepad.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/missing-titanic-submarine-was-piloted-by-games-controller-but-thats-not-unusual
Sub was controlled by a bluetooth controller and was relying onnstarlink for communications.
>and was relying onnstarlink for communications.
This is the ultimate IQ test. If you actually believe a submarine was using satellite internet because Twitter told you so, you score 0. You do not have IQ. You are not a thinking being.
The sub and the ship was using starlink to send text messages.
No they weren't. The surface ship used Starlink to connect to the internet because that's what it's for. You cannot use a satellite dish underwater. Communication between the sub and surface would be by some sort of underwater sound based system like Gertrude. Please tell me you're only pretending to be moronic.
it was between the sub and the controls, not communication up above. they had computers and keyboards in there so they probably had a way to control it without the bluetooth controller. the bluetooth probably outlasted the general onboard power they had
Ah yeah I see there are keyboards and shit too
could even take phones with you. wonder if the kid killed time playing genshin impact
What do you do after your phone runs out of battery?
bend it. lithium battery fire. take everyone with me.
inst that game always online gatcha?
they had starlink, dude. no, probably, im just shitposting
you are actively making the world stupider by posting
Lol I thought the same. homie better have had some offline games or he'd be bored as frick
You just know that with this peanut farming knowledge who knows what they're hiding, the world may never know
>"At some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean come on, you wanna be completely safe all the time? Don't get out of your bed then, you know? Don't ever get in your car, right?"
-Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO
Lol frick this guy
>Silicon valley hustle mentality applied in an extreme life and death situation
Fricking genius.
Everything I learned about this company screams a techbro mindset to me.
And also a broader "I haven't experienced the scenario that caused this regulation to exist so I don't see the need for it" view as well.
Whats the point? The U.S. already knows what happened to them.
Pressure hull was rated for 4000 meters but the porthole was only rated for 1300 meters.
They had it redesigned from the one that was rated for 1300m, BUT they didn't get the new one rated at all, so while it MIGHT have been capable of 4000m, it wasn't rated to do so.
It had also been on multiple previous excursions and the CEO fired an engineer who raised concerns about repeated stress degrading the carbon fiber hull.
that’d be crazy if a current pushed them into the titanic and it collapsed on them and it claimed five more victims 111 years after sinking. woah
In 2000 a CBS news correspondent was on a different private sub and they were almost lost. There's some footage of it as well. What happened is they were suddenly grabbed by an extremely powerful current and slammed into the Titanic's propellers. They were trapped there and thought they were fricked but were eventually able to dislodge the craft.
There's some tremendously powerful currents down there.
Just can't stop killing rich people.
The good ship Titanic, she thirsts for the blood of the rich
They made it to the surface but were bolted in and couldn't get themselves out.
No sign of them on the surface so far. They will still suffocate in there if not found but them on the surface is still best case
They've got C-130s with thermal cameras looking for them on the surface, so even if they're not visible, they'll still find them if that is what happened and they're ANYWHERE near where they should be.
>that lost sub
What the frick is going on out there?
A US nuclear sub located a downed UFO in the arctic five days ago, when they attempted to destroy it all contact was lost
A bunch of rich idiots paid some other rich idiot $250k per ticket for a ride in a rickety deathtrap made of paper mache and glue to go see the Titanic.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/21/missing-titanic-tourist-submarine-search-noises-live-updates/70341342007/
https://countingdownto.com/countdown-pages/bY5rKTzD
Their oxygen timer... Tick tock
This is fricking wrong! Take this down immediately!
>https://countingdownto.com/countdown-pages/bY5rKTzD
FRICK! when I wake up tomorrow morning time will be out if they haven't found and rescued them!
Yep.
Kek
/misc/ made it. There's a round the clock general about it
Meant for
WOW LMAO
>according to sources
The shit about the subs true though
>according to sources
Sure homosexual this isn't /misc/
>They were thread bare and even lacked GPS
How does GPS work at 12,000 feet underwater?
It's about locating the sub after you surface since they can't get out of the sub without assistance.
Can't kill the Bill.
>even lacked GPS
the moron that wrote this didnt even try did he?
>"I got those [that overhead lights] at Camper World!"
Holy fricking SHIT
Josh Gates from that TV show..basically tweeted today that the sub was a piece of shit and theres a lot of stuff people dont know about it yet. Basically said it was a death trap and thats why he declined to do an episode in it when offered.
>Basically said it was a death trap
No shit, take a quick glance at literally any picture of literally any part of it and you'll come to that same realization.
They're doing remote viewing to locate it on /x/
They say seabed in the debris field between the stern and bow of the wreck and that people will remark on the large number of deep sea crabs around the wreck when found
What a valuable contribution to the ongoing search efforts
That's more than you fricking wienercuckers are donig here!
Woah simmer down there alikazam, don't put a hex on my livestock.
>people will remark on the large number of deep sea crabs around the wreck
Those crushed bodies aren't going to eat themselves
>In disturbing the Titanic, I fear we have awakened a sleeping cat and filled him with a terrible resolve.
They keep fricking telling us that this depth would crush the submarine like a tin can but then we look at fricking Titanic and it looks pretty intact to me. Like been down there 100 years and held up remarkably well.
>the Titanic's wreck is pressurised
please don't reproduce
its full of water moron.
I hope you're pretending
The bow was already full of water when the ship went down.
This is what the stern looks like. There were still huge air pockets trapped within the stern when it was pulled down. As it descended, these air pockets imploded so violently that they could be heard on the surface by survivors.
Man imagine being one of the poor frickers still being trapped on the ship in some air pocket as it was rapidly sinking
Just picture this just a bunch of dudes just down on the bottom of the sea floor just frickin in this little tube. Just mass amounts of cum and shit and piss just filling it up to the brim as they just slide in and out of each other on the ocean floor. God just imagine being the rescuer getting to that sub on the ocean floor watching all them frick through that little porthole I’d love to there I probably couldn’t stop jerking off if I saw that. I can’t be the only one thinking this. Does anyone think that they all just resorted to having some steamy hot gay butt sex in full view of all the fish down there? Are they blue balling all my buddies down there? I just imagine all of them just engaging in assplay in this tiny space. So many hot and sexy things they can be doing doing down there and nobody is talking about it.
Jerk off and go to bed anon
No offense intended towards fans of the movie
Proves to me that guys aren't rich because of merit.They're rich because of all the morons willing to take on so much risk, of all the impoverished and forgotten failures, these are among the handful that sheer cosmic chance has said yes to every time, until now.