Do you really need "officers" for a military to work?

Do you really need "officers" for a military to work? Does a military actually need to be split into two forms of employment?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hierarchy - one of the basic laws of nature

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Already is hierarchy within NCMs, you just need to expand it beyond CWO.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah it makes sense. Officers are managers and enlisted are the ones doing the grunt work, senior ncos provide experience to advise officers.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There needs to be a clear command structure in order to effect order, assign roles, and to delegate duties. The officers are there to do administrative tasks that the basic grunts are not equipped to do. In addition, the officers represent a form on order and discipline, unlike what you had growing up you fucking prepubescent troglodyte

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. NCOs run the current operation, officers plan the future operation. Simple as.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes
    many have tried nixing officers
    none kept it

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Instead of some gay college BS why not have four years of enlisted experience OR college to be an officer?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone didn't go to college.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You did not go to college, I can tell

        I'm going to go to college, only way you can be an officer.

        DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FUCKING MEMOS I HAVE TO WRITE. HOW MANY FUCKING GOD DAMN COUNSELINGS. I HAVE TO WRITE MEMOS REQUESTING EVERY. FUCKING. THING.

        NONE OF IT IS AUTOMATIC. YOU NEED 4 YEARS OF GAY PAPER WRITING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO WRITE COHERENTLY.

        You didn't learn that in highschool? What inner city shithole School system were you a part of?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          SEE, YOU CAPITALIZED THE S IN SCHOOL, DESPITE THE FACT THAT "SCHOOL" IS NOT A PROPER NOUN WHEN IT'S USED BY ITSELF. YOU ONLY CAPITALIZE WORDS LIKE THAT WHEN IT'S A PROPER NOUN. YOU WRITE INCOHERENTLY.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i'm going to go
          How old are you? 12?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You sound like the enlisted who swear they're finally gonna finish their degree and go to OTS...for the fifth year running.

          Enlisted are great for technical knowledge and doing tasks but way too many flatter themselves by thinking they could handle actual independence and decision making. Just shut up and go back to turning your wrench, private.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most junior officers can't either, to be fair. It's a maturity thing mostly and there's not much that separates a 24yo JO and a 24yo enlisted

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You did not go to college, I can tell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FUCKING MEMOS I HAVE TO WRITE. HOW MANY FUCKING GOD DAMN COUNSELINGS. I HAVE TO WRITE MEMOS REQUESTING EVERY. FUCKING. THING.

      NONE OF IT IS AUTOMATIC. YOU NEED 4 YEARS OF GAY PAPER WRITING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO WRITE COHERENTLY.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not both?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does a military actually need to be split into two forms of employment?

    No.

    But the job of a NCO and of a CO aren't quite the same, meaning the experience you got as a NCO won't automatically make a good CO out of you.
    And likewise, very few CO could just be demoted to NCO and be effective.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    officers are loyal to the state. soldiers are loyal to each other and the unit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Officers are loyal to the state.
      Officers are usually the ones to Launch a military Coup.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Officers are usually the ones to Launch a military Coup.
        "the King is dead, long live the King," in other words.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have you ever worked in any kind of office that had no hierarchy beyond an absentee owner? nothing gets fucking done

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This has been tried. If I remember correctly the communist forces in the spanish civl war tried democracy; technically they had officers but every decision had to be voted on. It did not go well.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. NCOs can run things up to the company or battalion level. But above that is it's own separate set of skills. Officers at the platoon and company levels are basically doing on the job training for their real career which is battalion, brigade, division and corps/theatre levels.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >do you need a boss at work for everything to remain functional?
    uhhh yeaa???
    go home chang

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the NCO is the actual guy that gets anything done at all
    grunts dont want to have any responsibility or decision making for himself and other guys so it falls totally to the NCO
    you literally cannot expect people to do things properly by themselves, someone higher up has to tell them to stop fucking around and move along
    an NCO is critical to get a squad to operate effectively, i cannot imagine the kind of harm youd cause if you just sent grunts into the frontline without any NCOs to tell them where the enemy is or what to do

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The way that NCOs and COs are separated is entirely because only rich kids used to be able to read + afford the best equipment. Anything else is a cope.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you gave an NCO an Officer's career track and he could competently do it, he'd effectively be an officer in everything but name, right?. All we're talking about is how the manpool for the two career tracks are sourced. A disadvantage for removing the distinction and just pulling solely from the enlisted ranks would be that the Senior NCO ranks would be robbed of more competent people, and then who would advise the Junior Officers? O-4's and O-5's don't have a lot of time to babysit the O-1, they can only spare a small amount of their time for mentorship. History proves that having both a solid NCO corps and an intelligent and organized Officer corps is the way to succeed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is it incentivses people who are intelligent and have good leadership qualities to avoid the enlisted route. The reason its worked in the past is poor and uneducated but otherwise competent guys ended up as NCOs. Everyone with an IQ over 100 is educated in our society.

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