>Russia is steadily losing "secure" territory, and they still haven't actually captured Bakhmut >400+ days into the 3-day annexation >somehow this means Ukraine is losing
>ukrops shill the same thing over and over >HAHAHHA AOH MY GOOOOODDERIIINOO HAHAHA SOO FRICKING FUNNY SLAVA UKRINI!!! >russians have some shilling material >NOOOOOOOOO STOOOP IT!!! IT'S NOT FUNNY IT'S BOOOORING NOOOOOOOOO
homie I'm calm
not everyone on this board has to be overly obsessed with the war
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's the only reason why you're here. Nice wojaks, subhuman.
11 months ago
Anonymous
sorry my dude but your attempt at stirring up the conversation failed :^)
Get a life and stop trying to stir up drama like the pathetic loser you are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stop using idioms you don't understand, tell your glavset handler you need further lessons.
11 months ago
Anonymous
enjoy arguing with an AI I guess, I know you can't afford it because you're a pathetic loser troll, have fun kiddo
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he needs to use chatgpt to have an argument
Imagine being this fricking lazy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's fricking pathetic.
No, I make thousands of dollars each day and I got no time to waste for people like you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lol. Nothing says cool, calm and collected like making up elaborate fantasies in all caps and insisting vehemently that you don't care while continuing to engage and responding to posts within ten(!) seconds.
For the love of God, get a fricking life.
11 months ago
Anonymous
lmao troll moron, stfu you lifeless loser (PS: just made what you make in a year in this timespan :^))
11 months ago
Anonymous
You sound both incredibly assmad and not old enough to use this site, either have a nice day or leave I don't care which.
I can't tell if the Russian soldiers getting the shits in Crimea part of the psychological campaign
or if it's the Russian way of tipping their hat to their 3rd world supporters
I can't tell if the Russian soldiers getting the shits in Crimea part of the psychological campaign
or if it's the Russian way of tipping their hat to their 3rd world supporters
is steadily losing "secure" territory
May I see it? There have been zero reports of advances since the failed Russian counterattack. It looks to me the front is already stable.
Get new material, please. You don't have to worry about Obersturmfuhrer Budanov shooting you in the back of the head anymore. The complete and total denials of reality can stop now.
>In how many weeks will this happen
How long did Kherson offensive take? About 2 months between August to November, so probably about the same time period for this. I'd say 8 weeks more or less.
so basically, looking at that map, if the ukrainians break the "first line" south of Vasylivka (what they are currently trying to do), there is basically nothing that can stop them from pushing all the way to the outskirts of Tokmak?
>Russia has large, deep defensive lines that they can fall back on. >All in order to increase the combat power of lighter weaker brigades that do not have operational mobility. >Russian units at the front keep disastrously counter-attacking at the very first defensive line
Ukies just gained land equivalent to 2,25 Bakhmut (which monke army took 10 months to take) in one single week. If this is losing, I hope they keep losing until the end of the war
so three villages with an average of size of 10 houses per village is somehow 2.25 bahmuts? We know the objective was to rush to the sea of azov, clearly the plan failed. It's week 3 and zero meaningful gains have been made with multiple brigades taken out of action. You have to be on another level of cope to believe things are going well for ukraine.
>if you ignore all the evidence, russia is winning!
ziggers
I will begin with stating that this war troubles me deeply. It is horrible that the young men on both sides of this conflict are being thrown into the meat grinder that this war is. Both sides of this conflict are not clean from wrong doing, however if you can’t understand why Putin invaded Ukraine you are a fool who suffers from confirmation bias to the extreme. NATO encroachment is not something that he could just brush off. It doesn’t matter what you have to say in response, this is the situation we are in. The US and NATO are using Ukraine as a proxy and now we are seeing that throwing billions of dollars at a war doesn’t win anything. Russia suffered heavily in the beginning, but their pace hasn’t slowed. Now that they control the skies they are just going to grind Ukraine to nothing piece by piece. I know the barn and subsequent buildings is so important and will ensure complete victory for Ukraine, but in reality I believe this war is already lost without NATO intervention. In all seriousness, we should be praying for the souls of the young men who have departed and for those who still remain that they are returned home safely and that this war can end with some degree of peace. I am so sick of seeing neckbeard gays on this websight arguing like a hormonal teenage girl over this war. Let us try not to one up each other and win an argument at the expense of invaluable life. This war has consumed enough already.
Immature responses will not be acknowledged.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Now that they control the skies
opinion discarded
11 months ago
Anonymous
>their pace hasn’t slowed.
Lol. Lmao even.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Let us try not to one up each other and win an argument at the expense of invaluable life. This war has consumed enough already.
I-I'M GONNNNAAA NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTROOOOOOLLLLLLLL
11 months ago
Anonymous
>NATO Provocation
Lmao.
This is like your neighbor trying to steal your washing machine cause you installed an alarm system. It's not provocative to defend against a rogue state.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>both sides
Stopped reading right there. Slava TZD
KYS, disingenuous troll. I refuse to believe anyone is moronic enough to hold these views sincerely.
Typical Reddit response. You have nothing of substance to say just verbal diarrhea.
>their pace hasn’t slowed.
Lol. Lmao even.
>Let us try not to one up each other and win an argument at the expense of invaluable life. This war has consumed enough already.
I-I'M GONNNNAAA NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTROOOOOOLLLLLLLL
Advanced Reddit moronation. All of you should be the ones dying in the corn fields. I am not even sure if a human being could be so moronic, I thought the captcha was supposed to prevent bots from posting here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>both sides
Stopped reading right there. Slava TZD
11 months ago
Anonymous
KYS, disingenuous troll. I refuse to believe anyone is moronic enough to hold these views sincerely.
What part of they have to dismantle thousands of mine fields didn't you understand? If you think mining the entire area you occupy and constantly getting btfo in actual battle is somehow winning you're the biggest military warfare toddler i ever saw on /k/
The first thrirty kilometers will suck for Ukraine.
The actual 'defensive lines' are more or less Potemkin villages, mostly due to sat pictures and precision fires, but the Russian troops there still have to be defeated.
The real deal will be the Russian main line, 30 km in. If the Russain mobile reserves do a good job, they may stop the Ukrainians there.
But all of that may stop being important if the Ukrainians get into artillery range of the main east-west road, and manage to hit the Kerch bridge again.
The question is just how many minefields have Russia made?
If they are everywhere then Ukraine will continue to go at this pace
But if Ukraine reaches a point where the minefields thin out or stop entirely, then the tempo can resume once more
>tempo can resume
Kek
2 new "elite" brigades engaged, 2 existing conscript brigades, now 15 days in and combat ineffective, which you'd expect with no close aircraft support and little artillery, what did globohomosexual mean by this?
The Russians must have some gaps for supplying their own troops, and presumably they have some way to actually move their own troops back (unless they have decided to do the moronic 'hold at all costs' thing again)
in the end this is a game of chicken, where the Russians need to decide when to deploy thier mobile reserves when tehy think they have identified the Ukrainian Schwerpunkt. Main axis.You know what I mean.
The Russian problem right now is that they are not mobile, and can be outflanked in their trenches.
Or in a worst case scenario, actually end up pinned against the next lines' minefields when forced to move backwards.
Your map you are editing is from a group of finnish autists who literally mapped the entire defensive system with commercial satellite photos. Those lines are just as “physical” as the trenches. Im not sure what genius made this edit but its incredibly dumb
So a zigger opened paint to scribble in the ditches? Ditches aren't even worth showing as fortified position on the map, not important enough for that bright large red line
>visit /k/ to alleviate boredom >top 4 threads are about the irrelevant globohomosexual slavBlack person squabble instead of weapon discussions
Please, have a nice day
So what has happened in the past 48 hours? The Z shills have showed up in mass force to shit up the board again. Meanwhile, Peskov is saying Russia won, and Putin is talking about negotiations.
Artillery and artillery forward observers are arrayed across the battle space behind extensive fortifications for infantry personnel. The entire forward edge of the battle area and miles on both sides of the FEBA is under 24 hour surveillance.
" It is typical for there to be between 25 and 50 UAVs from both sides operating over the contested area between the forward line of own troops (FLOT) and forward line of enemy troops (FLET) at any given time for each 10 km of frontage." Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies Special Report dated 19 May 2023
Air defense systems in depth and extensive enough to prevent Ukrainian air forces from attacking Russian artillery batteries.
Extensive mine fields that include anti tank mines mixed in with anti personnel mines.
Mix old tanks into the infantry fortifications. Photos of long train cars of old T54's being delivered to the Russian defensive area. Cue "HAR, Har dumb Russsies using 80 year old tanks."
As long as the Russians have forward observers and artillery arrayed across the battle space armor will not have a great effect.
Artillery trumps armor every time. As long as the Russians can prevent Ukrainian air to surface attacks on their artillery and have an artillery advantage the Russians will control the battle space.
Also consider a modern tank division that numbers 400 modern main battle tanks requires 600,000 gallons of fuel to operate every day. You are talking about 100 fuel trucks that only carry 5,000 gallons of fuel at a time operating near the forward edge of the battle space along with their support personnel and equipment.
As long as the Russians have artillery and forward observers and can prevent Ukrainian air forces from engaging their artillery the advantage is to the Russians, by a long shot. Meat grinder it is.
>Russia is steadily losing "secure" territory, and they still haven't actually captured Bakhmut
>400+ days into the 3-day annexation
>somehow this means Ukraine is losing
don't forget that ukraine also captured crimea psychologically.
I'm going to look forward to the next Russian civil war. If I see any Russian "refugees" in my neighborhood I'm going to curb stomp them as a welcome.
Where do you live?
Nice try, Mr. FBI Hate crime Investigator.
*yawn*
Tell you handlers to refresh the shilling. This is getting stale man
>ukrops shill the same thing over and over
>HAHAHHA AOH MY GOOOOODDERIIINOO HAHAHA SOO FRICKING FUNNY SLAVA UKRINI!!!
>russians have some shilling material
>NOOOOOOOOO STOOOP IT!!! IT'S NOT FUNNY IT'S BOOOORING NOOOOOOOOO
Forehead vein and smoke coming out of your ears status?
homie I'm calm
not everyone on this board has to be overly obsessed with the war
That's the only reason why you're here. Nice wojaks, subhuman.
sorry my dude but your attempt at stirring up the conversation failed :^)
Get a life and stop trying to stir up drama like the pathetic loser you are.
Stop using idioms you don't understand, tell your glavset handler you need further lessons.
enjoy arguing with an AI I guess, I know you can't afford it because you're a pathetic loser troll, have fun kiddo
>he needs to use chatgpt to have an argument
Imagine being this fricking lazy.
No, I make thousands of dollars each day and I got no time to waste for people like you.
Lol. Nothing says cool, calm and collected like making up elaborate fantasies in all caps and insisting vehemently that you don't care while continuing to engage and responding to posts within ten(!) seconds.
For the love of God, get a fricking life.
lmao troll moron, stfu you lifeless loser (PS: just made what you make in a year in this timespan :^))
You sound both incredibly assmad and not old enough to use this site, either have a nice day or leave I don't care which.
That's fricking pathetic.
haha le ebin /misc/ meme, the west just lost the war
I can't tell if the Russian soldiers getting the shits in Crimea part of the psychological campaign
or if it's the Russian way of tipping their hat to their 3rd world supporters
Probably America trying out some of its biowarfare toys. It's probably antibiotic resistant. Well, I wouldn't worry about it.
Probably just unsanitary conditions
>shake hands with the posters shitting up this board
>this happens
like pottery
*Yawn *reddit noises
This meme is stale and makes me feel uncomfortable
is steadily losing "secure" territory
May I see it? There have been zero reports of advances since the failed Russian counterattack. It looks to me the front is already stable.
>if you ignore all the evidence, russia is winning!
ziggers
Should have used the gp30 if he was gonna an hero. At least the drone operator would have been entertained.
>still haven't captured bakhmut
Get new material, please. You don't have to worry about Obersturmfuhrer Budanov shooting you in the back of the head anymore. The complete and total denials of reality can stop now.
Once Vasylivka is captured Ukraine will probably push for Enerhodar and Russians will flee to Crimea due to being outmaneuvered
In how many weeks will this happen?
>In how many weeks will this happen
How long did Kherson offensive take? About 2 months between August to November, so probably about the same time period for this. I'd say 8 weeks more or less.
Depends on the terrain and Russian counterattacks but they are slowly grinding their way onto the heights leading to it.
zoom status?
Considering that Russia can't stop talking about peace, I guess they believe there is a chance.
No, its all ogre for the Russians
I hate seeing Russian tourists in my country while this war is happening. We should ban them all. That includes the women and children.
How can you tell them apart from other Eastern Europeans, unironically. They all sound and look the same.
Fortunately, they don't
Russian accent is unmistakable
Their passports.
>Impotent reddit rage
so basically, looking at that map, if the ukrainians break the "first line" south of Vasylivka (what they are currently trying to do), there is basically nothing that can stop them from pushing all the way to the outskirts of Tokmak?
some strong defensive lines there lmao
No, they don't. Ukraine on the other hand...
>Russia has large, deep defensive lines that they can fall back on.
>All in order to increase the combat power of lighter weaker brigades that do not have operational mobility.
>Russian units at the front keep disastrously counter-attacking at the very first defensive line
I don't get it, are they moronic?
>I don't get it, are they moronic?
Correct.
Those aren't deep defensive lines, those are barrier troops.
>zigger cope lines
Wow NAFO is losing to this?
Ukies just gained land equivalent to 2,25 Bakhmut (which monke army took 10 months to take) in one single week. If this is losing, I hope they keep losing until the end of the war
so three villages with an average of size of 10 houses per village is somehow 2.25 bahmuts? We know the objective was to rush to the sea of azov, clearly the plan failed. It's week 3 and zero meaningful gains have been made with multiple brigades taken out of action. You have to be on another level of cope to believe things are going well for ukraine.
Barn and adjecent farm is of high strategic significance please understand
Kek
I will begin with stating that this war troubles me deeply. It is horrible that the young men on both sides of this conflict are being thrown into the meat grinder that this war is. Both sides of this conflict are not clean from wrong doing, however if you can’t understand why Putin invaded Ukraine you are a fool who suffers from confirmation bias to the extreme. NATO encroachment is not something that he could just brush off. It doesn’t matter what you have to say in response, this is the situation we are in. The US and NATO are using Ukraine as a proxy and now we are seeing that throwing billions of dollars at a war doesn’t win anything. Russia suffered heavily in the beginning, but their pace hasn’t slowed. Now that they control the skies they are just going to grind Ukraine to nothing piece by piece. I know the barn and subsequent buildings is so important and will ensure complete victory for Ukraine, but in reality I believe this war is already lost without NATO intervention. In all seriousness, we should be praying for the souls of the young men who have departed and for those who still remain that they are returned home safely and that this war can end with some degree of peace. I am so sick of seeing neckbeard gays on this websight arguing like a hormonal teenage girl over this war. Let us try not to one up each other and win an argument at the expense of invaluable life. This war has consumed enough already.
Immature responses will not be acknowledged.
>Now that they control the skies
opinion discarded
>their pace hasn’t slowed.
Lol. Lmao even.
>Let us try not to one up each other and win an argument at the expense of invaluable life. This war has consumed enough already.
I-I'M GONNNNAAA NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTROOOOOOLLLLLLLL
>NATO Provocation
Lmao.
This is like your neighbor trying to steal your washing machine cause you installed an alarm system. It's not provocative to defend against a rogue state.
Typical Reddit response. You have nothing of substance to say just verbal diarrhea.
Advanced Reddit moronation. All of you should be the ones dying in the corn fields. I am not even sure if a human being could be so moronic, I thought the captcha was supposed to prevent bots from posting here.
>both sides
Stopped reading right there. Slava TZD
KYS, disingenuous troll. I refuse to believe anyone is moronic enough to hold these views sincerely.
>day 480 of the 3 day special operation
ziggers
You should trust the /kopemandos they're reputable military experts
What part of they have to dismantle thousands of mine fields didn't you understand? If you think mining the entire area you occupy and constantly getting btfo in actual battle is somehow winning you're the biggest military warfare toddler i ever saw on /k/
First minute on /keddit i see
Welcome on board fella
>it doesnt count
>its not densely populated area
> reeeee Ukraine isn’t winning fast enough
NATO hasn't even shown up, NAFO doesn't do anything.
OP BTFO
The first thrirty kilometers will suck for Ukraine.
The actual 'defensive lines' are more or less Potemkin villages, mostly due to sat pictures and precision fires, but the Russian troops there still have to be defeated.
The real deal will be the Russian main line, 30 km in. If the Russain mobile reserves do a good job, they may stop the Ukrainians there.
But all of that may stop being important if the Ukrainians get into artillery range of the main east-west road, and manage to hit the Kerch bridge again.
The question is just how many minefields have Russia made?
If they are everywhere then Ukraine will continue to go at this pace
But if Ukraine reaches a point where the minefields thin out or stop entirely, then the tempo can resume once more
>tempo can resume
Kek
2 new "elite" brigades engaged, 2 existing conscript brigades, now 15 days in and combat ineffective, which you'd expect with no close aircraft support and little artillery, what did globohomosexual mean by this?
>combat ineffective
The Russians must have some gaps for supplying their own troops, and presumably they have some way to actually move their own troops back (unless they have decided to do the moronic 'hold at all costs' thing again)
in the end this is a game of chicken, where the Russians need to decide when to deploy thier mobile reserves when tehy think they have identified the Ukrainian Schwerpunkt. Main axis.You know what I mean.
The Russian problem right now is that they are not mobile, and can be outflanked in their trenches.
Or in a worst case scenario, actually end up pinned against the next lines' minefields when forced to move backwards.
The “cope lines” are anti tank ditches, you moron
Your map you are editing is from a group of finnish autists who literally mapped the entire defensive system with commercial satellite photos. Those lines are just as “physical” as the trenches. Im not sure what genius made this edit but its incredibly dumb
The only one coping here is you
The entire town of Tokmak is surrounded by an anti tank ditch? How does anyone get in or out??
Zoom in on the map. The roads are not dug out
https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/The-War-in-Ukraine/091194
they should add drawbridges
So a zigger opened paint to scribble in the ditches? Ditches aren't even worth showing as fortified position on the map, not important enough for that bright large red line
Pretty much. They also fail to realize that
>engineers digging trenches =/= men being in those trenches
>visit /k/ to alleviate boredom
>top 4 threads are about the irrelevant globohomosexual slavBlack person squabble instead of weapon discussions
Please, have a nice day
You're brown
>barrage of /misc/troon buzzwords
Nice nuspeak, subhuman.
Here's a tip: if you didn't use /misc/ buzzwords every 5 minutes people might actually think you fit in
nah
No chance for the Russians anymore.
Since they can't mobilize again, every casualty they suffer just adds to the countdown.
>they can't mobilize again, every casualty they suffer just adds to the countdown.
The problem isn't having enough meat its that even if they mobilize more meat they don't have time nor the equipment to train these new mobiks.
So what has happened in the past 48 hours? The Z shills have showed up in mass force to shit up the board again. Meanwhile, Peskov is saying Russia won, and Putin is talking about negotiations.
kek, ukis really think they can make it through.
Tokmak looking a bit sus there m8
Oh shit new 'toss dropped?
dont matter, still probing
Why doesn't Russia just attack the USA directly?
Why is russian propaganda so hilariously delusional?
1. Need to make themselves look like the good guys
2. Every regime needs an outside enemy
The US will keep sending Ukraine an endless supply of weapons to kill Veatniks with and you will cope
>keep probing
>keep losing men and leopard
It was just a probe bro
P-people die in wars?
They are disposing of western equipment as a good will gesture.
I don't think stopping tank shells with their face is a good use of Russian troops.
It's a good use of Ukrainian troops tho
Yeah, someone has to man the tanks in question.
Man the meltdown of /misc/ chuds and Pajeets when it all goes breasts up for them. It's going to be Kherson x100
Artillery and artillery forward observers are arrayed across the battle space behind extensive fortifications for infantry personnel. The entire forward edge of the battle area and miles on both sides of the FEBA is under 24 hour surveillance.
" It is typical for there to be between 25 and 50 UAVs from both sides operating over the contested area between the forward line of own troops (FLOT) and forward line of enemy troops (FLET) at any given time for each 10 km of frontage." Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies Special Report dated 19 May 2023
Air defense systems in depth and extensive enough to prevent Ukrainian air forces from attacking Russian artillery batteries.
Extensive mine fields that include anti tank mines mixed in with anti personnel mines.
Mix old tanks into the infantry fortifications. Photos of long train cars of old T54's being delivered to the Russian defensive area. Cue "HAR, Har dumb Russsies using 80 year old tanks."
As long as the Russians have forward observers and artillery arrayed across the battle space armor will not have a great effect.
Artillery trumps armor every time. As long as the Russians can prevent Ukrainian air to surface attacks on their artillery and have an artillery advantage the Russians will control the battle space.
Also consider a modern tank division that numbers 400 modern main battle tanks requires 600,000 gallons of fuel to operate every day. You are talking about 100 fuel trucks that only carry 5,000 gallons of fuel at a time operating near the forward edge of the battle space along with their support personnel and equipment.
As long as the Russians have artillery and forward observers and can prevent Ukrainian air forces from engaging their artillery the advantage is to the Russians, by a long shot. Meat grinder it is.
Americans could make short work of those cope lines in a few hours, why do thirdies suck so much at war?
Hey now. Use language with precision. Thirdies have done some novel and exciting paratroop operations. They're Secondaries.
Those fortifications are unmanned. Russia is committing all available forces to the line of contact.
In all seriousness, why is Russia having so much trouble with Ukraine?
Why didn't Kiev fall in the first week? They were so close.
Is it really as simple as "lol ukraina has lots of missiles"?