The /k/eddit and reddit battalions are racing to see who gets to Crimea first, after that they will go straight to Putler’s palace where he will be hanged for war crimes in 14 business days
>Do dragons teeth even work
they work as intended
but that doesnt mean they are practical or cost effective, which they arent
>or are they placebo?
not even
dragons teeth had no major contribution in any major battle of WW2
the only sort-of effective use they had was in forcing the allies around the siegfried line
but their contribution there was limited compared to the anti-tank guns that were dug in and were the real threat
and any static defense was secondary to having an army that could move and attack the enemy instead of waiting for them to come to you
>dragons teeth had no major contribution in any major battle of WW2
Any major battle had enough firepower to force a retreat of defenders. The advantage of dragons teeth isn't that they magically stop an army but they mean machineguns can halt an armoured advance and buy time for a retreat or reenforcments by not letting sappers / combat engineers close enough to blow them up.
Sure a tank can blow them up too but if they are like the top pic it's going to take a shitload of HE putting more strain on logistics.
It's extremely rare for a single thing to decide a battle but everything that makes life harder for the enemy is good.
>Any major battle had enough firepower to force a retreat of defenders.
The massive earthenworks at kursk had trenches, dug-in guns, barbed wire, but no dragons teeth
They were the least useful form of passive defense, and passive defense itself was secondary to active defenses in the first place
if that .jpg is funny to you,
wait untill you see the feeble creations ukraine is desperately making right now
lol
that should have been done YEARS ago
Ukranaine war has primarily featured mobile war fought outside of trenches
Defenders have primarily used the local terrain rather than trenches while russian trenches were simply swept aside
>Defenders have primarily used the local terrain rather than trenches
What makes you think that? I'm basing my opinion on a shitload of uploaded combat footage but I know what gets uploaded will be biased toward what they want us to see.
>the combat footage thats mostly nowhere near trenches
Most footage near trenches comes from dropped munitions because immobile targets sitting in a trench make easy targets
Successful in killing more Ukrainians than Russians all while Russia gained more ground than Ukraine did during their own counter offensive. Yep
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Successful in killing more Ukrainians than Russians all while Russia gained more ground than Ukraine did during their own counter offensive
what are you even talking about?
the counter-offensive was a success and the russians lost ground
2 months ago
Anonymous
Omg so freaking true. Yasssss those Ruzzian orkz got put in their place omg
2 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/28SDmwd.jpg
Omg so freaking true. Yasssss those Ruzzian orkz got put in their place omg
Cope harder brown shill.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Can vatBlack folk survive a day without moving goalposts?
Counter-offensive was not stopped by dragon's teeth. Russians managed to successfully defend through constant movement such as real (not Kherson kind) tactical retreats followed by reclaiming old positions against worn down enemy force. They weren't just hanging out in trenches and behind meme pyramids.
Also the reasons why Ukraine lost more (relatively to the TZD ratio we're used to) people and vehicles is because defending is always easier. A.k.a. the exact reason why ziggers will run out before ever reaching Kyiv.
There is no such thing as a static front. If there's no progress, it doesn't mean it's literally static it just means it's static in-effect for the time being. Meanwhile a static fortification is quite literally meant to be immovable.
Laughs in Korean War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Triangle_Hill
>slow down enemy >nail them with ATGMs and artillery fire as they try to navigate teeth
Seems pretty effective to me. They aren't going to stop the enemy on their own but it's not going to make things easier for them.
>Do dragons teeth even work or are they placebo?
on their own, undefended they aren't worth it, they slow down the enemy only very briefly, but if the enemy is under fire trying to clear a route they are in the open .. while drawing fire
If they're made correctly and have a base structure beneath them so they can't just be pushed around. If they're just concrete cones put in a line with no base then they're pretty much worthless
The simplest anti-motorcar fortification is a tank ditch with the spoil thrown into a berm on one side.
Dragons teeth are obsolete no matter who or how they're used.
3 days to win the war was a claim by the Pentagon, not Russia. Pentagon so incompetent they believed Russia would win in 3 days to believing Ukraine would win.
oh ok so some random news guys in Russia said it, not Putin and not one of the Generals. Thanks mate you really showed me.
2 months ago
Anonymous
3 days to win the war was a claim by the Pentagon, not Russia. Pentagon so incompetent they believed Russia would win in 3 days to believing Ukraine would win.
what the frick are you seething about today?
lol must be why europe is in hysterics about recruiting volkstrums all of a sudden
>Europe >Hysterics
Mildly irritated that they have to rework their budgets to spend an extra 1% on defence so they can tip the scales of potential conflict with Russia from "Certain victory" to "Absolute curbstomp"
2 months ago
Anonymous
oh my this guy still thinks Europe is going to contribute. I feel like im in a time machine and gone back to 2022
2 months ago
Anonymous
>oh my this guy still thinks Europe is going to contribute.
They are contributing and they are collectively raising defense budgets to the required 2%. FFs Sweden is not only now in NATO but are planning to increase their annual conscription intake. Sweden.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>conflict with Russia from "Certain victory" to "Absolute curbstomp"
do they "curbstomp" Russia before or after the pool opens back up?
It's so fricking embarrassing the Pentagon gets it wrong BOTH WAYS.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Literally what are you rambling about?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Your IQ has to be above 85 to understand. Don't worry mate, Ukraine is winning!
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Your IQ has to be above 85 to understand
I understand exactly what's going on, I'm just curios why you are upset and why you're rambling.
>Ukraine is winning
Its a stalemate.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>That's some random Russian propaganda outlet.
Which is state controlled and follows what Putin said and took down the article within a day.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>within a day
within an hour more like
2 months ago
Anonymous
>a pre-written declaration published by official russian state media proclaiming total victory three days into the invasion doesn't prove russia expected to win in three days
2 months ago
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>It's so fricking embarrassing the Pentagon gets it wrong BOTH WAYS.
Yes, they were stupid to believe that Russia had an actual modern professional army and not an horde of moronic rapists led by wannabe mafia dons. Putin truly fooled the west into believing Russia was a credible super power.
What's more important is: Do (anchored) Dragon's Teeth surrounded by a minefield, overwatched by infantry squads with ATGMs work? ALL of these elements individually can be worked around, but it is their combination that makes attacking with vehicles into fortified areas difficult. Dragon's Teeth 'work' in that they are supposed to be part of a multilayered defense system that discourages a broad range of strategies. They are intended to be another layer of complication in a defensive line. If they're just a bunch of toblerones on a farming road that are completely unwatched, they're a random obstacle to be removed.
Well they seem pretty good for turning captured civilian populations into husks.
I'm not sure how much utility they'd be at stopping an armoured column though. Especially if they aren't covered with Geth or Reaper ground assets.
>OP made this post because DW News ran a story about Ukranians putting up dragons teeth and trenches along the belorus border.
see
if that .jpg is funny to you,
wait untill you see the feeble creations ukraine is desperately making right now
lol
that should have been done YEARS ago
why the feeble token attempt now?
why was were they not entrenched like a dragon, YEARS ago?
For the curious, another round of mobilization has been ordered by King Monki. 150,000 people (between the ages of 18 and 30), which is about inline with the number of dead Russians to be expected between now and USA's next presidential elections given current rates. Clever monki.
its an increase of armed forces, not replacement. They want to get to about 1.5 million in the armed forces, they've been steadily building since the start of the war.
Russia has had about ~75k total killed according to mediazona, since the war started, the casualty rate steadily decreasing since Bakhmut offensive.
Like anything, it all depends on context and how well they are implemented
tempo tempo tempo
which brigade will get to Crimea first?
The /k/eddit and reddit battalions are racing to see who gets to Crimea first, after that they will go straight to Putler’s palace where he will be hanged for war crimes in 14 business days
>k/eddit and reddit
Opinion disregarded
you know, no matter the outcome of this war, you will still be brown Kumar
As always it depends.
>Do dragons teeth even work
they work as intended
but that doesnt mean they are practical or cost effective, which they arent
>or are they placebo?
not even
dragons teeth had no major contribution in any major battle of WW2
the only sort-of effective use they had was in forcing the allies around the siegfried line
but their contribution there was limited compared to the anti-tank guns that were dug in and were the real threat
and any static defense was secondary to having an army that could move and attack the enemy instead of waiting for them to come to you
>dragons teeth had no major contribution in any major battle of WW2
Any major battle had enough firepower to force a retreat of defenders. The advantage of dragons teeth isn't that they magically stop an army but they mean machineguns can halt an armoured advance and buy time for a retreat or reenforcments by not letting sappers / combat engineers close enough to blow them up.
Sure a tank can blow them up too but if they are like the top pic it's going to take a shitload of HE putting more strain on logistics.
It's extremely rare for a single thing to decide a battle but everything that makes life harder for the enemy is good.
>Any major battle had enough firepower to force a retreat of defenders.
The massive earthenworks at kursk had trenches, dug-in guns, barbed wire, but no dragons teeth
They were the least useful form of passive defense, and passive defense itself was secondary to active defenses in the first place
if that .jpg is funny to you,
wait untill you see the feeble creations ukraine is desperately making right now
lol
that should have been done YEARS ago
it seems that they were more
"warning minefield" sign
than fortification - but that's coincidence probably
2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive failed so...
Did that stop the drones and ZSU on killing russians?
>2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive failed so...
because of mines
not because of dragons teeth
static fortifications are a double edged sword and died in ww1
You realize you are saying that during an active trench war with static fronts right?
Ukranaine war has primarily featured mobile war fought outside of trenches
Defenders have primarily used the local terrain rather than trenches while russian trenches were simply swept aside
>Defenders have primarily used the local terrain rather than trenches
What makes you think that? I'm basing my opinion on a shitload of uploaded combat footage but I know what gets uploaded will be biased toward what they want us to see.
>the combat footage thats mostly nowhere near trenches
Most footage near trenches comes from dropped munitions because immobile targets sitting in a trench make easy targets
I'm not talking about drone footage I'm talking about gopro / headcam footage.
It's either trenches or urban with the rare woods.
>while russian trenches were simply swept aside
is that way the counteroffensive got bogged down outside of Robotyne?
>bogged down
>this again
ukranianian counter-offensives tended to be quite successful at destroying russian static defenses
Successful in killing more Ukrainians than Russians all while Russia gained more ground than Ukraine did during their own counter offensive. Yep
>Successful in killing more Ukrainians than Russians all while Russia gained more ground than Ukraine did during their own counter offensive
what are you even talking about?
the counter-offensive was a success and the russians lost ground
Omg so freaking true. Yasssss those Ruzzian orkz got put in their place omg
Cope harder brown shill.
Can vatBlack folk survive a day without moving goalposts?
Counter-offensive was not stopped by dragon's teeth. Russians managed to successfully defend through constant movement such as real (not Kherson kind) tactical retreats followed by reclaiming old positions against worn down enemy force. They weren't just hanging out in trenches and behind meme pyramids.
Also the reasons why Ukraine lost more (relatively to the TZD ratio we're used to) people and vehicles is because defending is always easier. A.k.a. the exact reason why ziggers will run out before ever reaching Kyiv.
anon the ukrainian's offensive last year was stopped dead by a fricking minefield.
>stopped dead
really rehashing that?
he isn't wrong
good these are not static and can be easily removed
>he isn't wrong
10 rupees have be redeemed to your account, sir
There is no such thing as a static front. If there's no progress, it doesn't mean it's literally static it just means it's static in-effect for the time being. Meanwhile a static fortification is quite literally meant to be immovable.
I fail to see your point.
>it doesn't mean it's literally static it just means it's static in-effect for the time being.
every single place your unit sits in place FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME, is a STATIC position, thus it MUST be able to be defended.
>FOBS
>OPs
>FSPs
etc.
Laughs in Korean War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Triangle_Hill
>static fortifications are a double edged sword and died in ww1
this is funny because WWI generals wanted a war of movement
>slow down enemy
>nail them with ATGMs and artillery fire as they try to navigate teeth
Seems pretty effective to me. They aren't going to stop the enemy on their own but it's not going to make things easier for them.
>slow down enemy
by an insignificant amount
>nail them with ATGMs and artillery fire as they try to navigate teeth
or attack them instead of waiting for them to come to you
There is no such thing as "an insignificant amount" in modern warfare. Arty fire can be on the way in 30 seconds if a drone spots you.
>Do dragons teeth even work or are they placebo?
on their own, undefended they aren't worth it, they slow down the enemy only very briefly, but if the enemy is under fire trying to clear a route they are in the open .. while drawing fire
the way ukies are doing it it might actually somehow work
>hard ground
>2-3 rows
but all rus have to do is put some improvised plows on their vehicles
I think the idea is to be a detergent to attack through that location
>detergent
>I think the idea is to be a detergent to attack through that location
They worked for Russia
They absolutely work.
If they're made correctly and have a base structure beneath them so they can't just be pushed around. If they're just concrete cones put in a line with no base then they're pretty much worthless
>dragons teeth
yes.
>whatever it was that russia pretended were dragons teeth
no.
Yeah
dragon's teeth work, pidormids don't
You realize everyone in this video is now dead right
Source: it came to me in a dream
The simplest anti-motorcar fortification is a tank ditch with the spoil thrown into a berm on one side.
Dragons teeth are obsolete no matter who or how they're used.
the real question is agaisnt what
most tanks will sweep this shit away but lighter vehicles might have more trouble
in any case this anon is right theres nothing better and more cost efficient than deepholes on the ground to stop vehicles from advancing
>what is rain?
Ask the 47th brigade. Oh wait, they never actually reached the dragons teeth.
Ops pic demonstrates that the obstacle worked as intended.
>forced a slow in the advance
>forced a breach
>funneled all traffic through a single breach
If I were FO with primary fires, there would be nothing but death in that breach and 5kmsq around it.
Ukraine should build some Polygonal forts like Fort Douaumont.
No need. /k/ assured me for 2 years Ukraine is winning and will take Crimea really soon
>3 day special military operation
3 days to win the war was a claim by the Pentagon, not Russia. Pentagon so incompetent they believed Russia would win in 3 days to believing Ukraine would win.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240
oh ok so some random news guys in Russia said it, not Putin and not one of the Generals. Thanks mate you really showed me.
what the frick are you seething about today?
>Europe
>Hysterics
Mildly irritated that they have to rework their budgets to spend an extra 1% on defence so they can tip the scales of potential conflict with Russia from "Certain victory" to "Absolute curbstomp"
oh my this guy still thinks Europe is going to contribute. I feel like im in a time machine and gone back to 2022
>oh my this guy still thinks Europe is going to contribute.
They are contributing and they are collectively raising defense budgets to the required 2%. FFs Sweden is not only now in NATO but are planning to increase their annual conscription intake. Sweden.
>conflict with Russia from "Certain victory" to "Absolute curbstomp"
do they "curbstomp" Russia before or after the pool opens back up?
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
That's some random Russian propaganda outlet.
It as General Milley that said Russia would take Kiev in 3 days;
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-says-kyiv-could-fall-within-72-hours-if-russia-decides-to-invade-ukraine-sources
https://www.newsweek.com/even-russian-propaganda-was-hesitant-claim-kyiv-would-fall-three-days-1832754
It's so fricking embarrassing the Pentagon gets it wrong BOTH WAYS.
Literally what are you rambling about?
Your IQ has to be above 85 to understand. Don't worry mate, Ukraine is winning!
>Your IQ has to be above 85 to understand
I understand exactly what's going on, I'm just curios why you are upset and why you're rambling.
>Ukraine is winning
Its a stalemate.
>That's some random Russian propaganda outlet.
Which is state controlled and follows what Putin said and took down the article within a day.
>within a day
within an hour more like
>a pre-written declaration published by official russian state media proclaiming total victory three days into the invasion doesn't prove russia expected to win in three days
>It's so fricking embarrassing the Pentagon gets it wrong BOTH WAYS.
Yes, they were stupid to believe that Russia had an actual modern professional army and not an horde of moronic rapists led by wannabe mafia dons. Putin truly fooled the west into believing Russia was a credible super power.
>implying placebo doesn't work
What's more important is: Do (anchored) Dragon's Teeth surrounded by a minefield, overwatched by infantry squads with ATGMs work? ALL of these elements individually can be worked around, but it is their combination that makes attacking with vehicles into fortified areas difficult. Dragon's Teeth 'work' in that they are supposed to be part of a multilayered defense system that discourages a broad range of strategies. They are intended to be another layer of complication in a defensive line. If they're just a bunch of toblerones on a farming road that are completely unwatched, they're a random obstacle to be removed.
Well they seem pretty good for turning captured civilian populations into husks.
I'm not sure how much utility they'd be at stopping an armoured column though. Especially if they aren't covered with Geth or Reaper ground assets.
First enjoyable post in the thread.
OP made this post because DW News ran a story about Ukranians putting up dragons teeth and trenches along the belorus border.
>OP made this post because DW News ran a story about Ukranians putting up dragons teeth and trenches along the belorus border.
see
why the feeble token attempt now?
why was were they not entrenched like a dragon, YEARS ago?
>why was were they not entrenched like a dragon
Breathe before you type
For the curious, another round of mobilization has been ordered by King Monki. 150,000 people (between the ages of 18 and 30), which is about inline with the number of dead Russians to be expected between now and USA's next presidential elections given current rates. Clever monki.
Hence the schizoid posting like OP and others.
its an increase of armed forces, not replacement. They want to get to about 1.5 million in the armed forces, they've been steadily building since the start of the war.
Russia has had about ~75k total killed according to mediazona, since the war started, the casualty rate steadily decreasing since Bakhmut offensive.
lol must be why europe is in hysterics about recruiting volkstrums all of a sudden
ah, i was wondering what blew-up. Turns out, it's going to be a bunch of ziggers when they get to the front line.
there's also been a failed mechanized attack near avdiivka, but i guess it's nothing out of the ordinary