I've just finished my fully automated hydroponic system for growing vegetables. What protein options exist?
Indoors and automatable to some extent are preferred
>Fish / Prawn / Shrimp Aquaponics
Water filtration seems like the difficult part
>Mealworms
Not sure I can get over eating bugs
If you want "animal" protein, bugs are really your only option unless you want to breed rats or similar.
Has nobody found a better way to grow meat in your basement like this yet
this guy is literally the stereotypical onions reddit canadian nerd. i mean look at one of his videos where he shows his face, literally looks a bit like Chudkowsky and definitely very onions infused. This homie is a vegan and a big fan of eating bugs and lab grown bullshit.
Also I've seen 2 of his videos so far where he spends the entire video waffling on about some bullshit but never addresses the topic in the title/thumbnail. Hence I blocked his account on youtube so I don't waste another 10 minutes again.
Bugs are not an option. They take more space and energy to grow than pigs. It's the dumbest fricking meme. It's pure global homosexual to make you miserable.
>develop system to cultivate ants
>feed them scrap and waste material
>grind them into flour
>bake special ant power bread and bread kits
>sell that shit to other green idiots
They have terrible pheromone/chemical taste.
OP could breed Guinea pigs
yeah, aquaculture dingus.
First of all you can grow high-protein vegetables like beans or whatever.
Aquaculture, or since you're already doing hydro look into aquaponics (although the processes are different). Grow tilapia, catfish, prawns etc. All totally doable in a (large) basement setup. Shrimp are bugs that western society says its okay to eat without opening your mind any more than usual.
Automation is a fallacy and pipe dream with these things. In theory you can set up a balanced semi-automated system but in reality random algae clogs build up in your pipes, water parameters get weird, disease or fungus happens, timers die. you need to put time/effort into maintaining these systems, you're caring for living things and biological systems are wacky.
Consider your energy use with these things, its easy to end up wasting undue amounts of electricity and producing relatively little food.
I actually run aquaponics in my basement AMA
could you show us some photos or diagram? i would love to ask for details on the actual implementation of it, but i need to see what did you do first
is aquaponics even worth it if you live in an apartment? I was thinking about starting something on my balcony, but I think I can get 300L space at most, probably 100-150 if I want enough space for anything else.
that is for the fish only.
go on helpx or wwoof and find a host and get some skills and out of the globohomoville city.
the skills part sounds good but how I am supposed to get out of the globohomoville city if I'm broke? And what does it have to do with wanting to grow ze seabugs on my balcony?
>helpx or wwoo
third time today i've seen your shill shite, take that hippie commune nonsense elsewhere
One thing to keep in mind always with a balcony or anything not directly on the actual ground is weight limit for wherever you are placing the tank. 300L is probably fine but I had to talk my friend out of trying to put a system in made from two 1000L totes on his tiny shitty 1970s apartment balcony.
Also his plan to get a couple of guys to pull up the empty totes with ropes was laughable, I probably should have just let him try & record it.
Holy shit anon don't put an aquarium on your balcony. Thats 300 kg plus the glass (660 lb) of constant static load on the balcony. If your landlord hears about it he will tell you to frick off before the balcony rips out of the wall.
Also bear in mind that a lot of insurers will flat out refuse to insure your apartment when you have an aquarium?
For aqua culture you need a shit ton of water volume. You can do the filtration with carbon filters or waterfalls over media. Salt water is cleaner, fresh becomes dirty faster. Look at the aquaculture websites for NC state university for ideas
Here’s the manual
https://aquaculture.ces.ncsu.edu/2021/03/kentucky-state-university-aquaponics-manual/
spirulina and other cyanobacteria shit that then you use to feed chicken for eggs
also post photos info of your hydroponic system
more info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-cell_protein
also legumes and shit, there is a ton of vegetable protein sources, and as i said you can use chicken to process it into more palatable eggs and meat. Or use to feed fish or whatever that is up to you
>into more palatable eggs and meat
Better bioavailability and healthier.
Feed bugs and also spirulina to chicken, and eat them.
There's bacteria protein as a route, but you need to find the right 9ne and the one company that i know of that has started with it are keeping it to themselves.
Take those flavorless hydroponic grown veggies and feed them to a steer to get delicious beef for protein... Probably have to grain him some too so he doesn't taste as bland as his diet of hydroponically grown mush.
Indoor onions bean, or any bean really. If you don’t want hydro, do coco choir with nutrient or something, or just seed compost covered by something dry. It’s only marginally easier but tastes closer to the original because the root hydration conditions are closer to outdoor soil growing
> indoors
> steer
> chicken
Do you guys live in a barn?
You can fit a steer in a basement, less exercise means more delicious fat.
The hallenge is hauling 40 pounds of hay downstairs everyday, plus occassional salt lick and a bag of minerals.
shrimps are sea bugs, I think you don't like the idea of worms, what about crickets?
Crickets are tasty in my opinion, but they can easily be turned into a flour/powder and mixed into dishes if you've a problem with the notion of eating a whole bug.
Is it even worthwhile to powder anything but the main body? Dunno how helpful the whole chitin is..
Seems more economical to care about proper vegs and buy your fat cheap as leftovers.
Quail are quiet but you will need a solution for the smell.
Tilapia are genetically engineered to be best farm raised fish and not taste like shit. Shrimp are really sensitive to water parameters. Filtration is not so bad if you have a good system and manage stock properly. You will need to test water and supplement as needed.
Mushrooms are a good low effort option. Grind the bugs and heavily season and mix with ground animal meat. Also Guinea pig or rabbits.
>Mushrooms are a good low effort option
they are kinda difficult to get them started, but after you learn how to do it you can basically do any mushroom, and some are meaty enough
>hey are kinda difficult to get them started
I got a kit a few years ago and literally just threw them in a storage bin in my weight room pulled a few crops with zero effort. they were portabella. morel and chicken-of-the-woods are better tasting but variety is probably important if you're living off basement funguses.
i mean growing them from mushrooms, not from a kit. Once you get them started is kinda easy
My last batch got contaminated with mold
that's because you bought a pre steralized and preinnoculated kit dumbass, you didn't grow shrooms...you let already established mycelium fruit. Try it from step one. it still isn't difficult but it is more involved.
If you can grow white mulberry leaves outdoors then you can raise silkworms indoors which are edible and make silk thread
Shrimp is a bug anon.
Quorn
I like their chicken nuggies
Depending on the space, you might be able to do tilapia. Rabbits and quail don't take much space either.
I need to research this but i just found that apparently there is a community for this already
https://amybo.org/
feed the mealworms to a chicken, eat the chicken and eggs.
In b4 refrigerator fish famer
I'd prefer fat sources.
What's a good way to get healthy animal fats?
fat is the big problem with the vegan diet too.
PUFA just frick you up.
Frogs?
Good yield, decent protein, comparable taste to chicken.
it would require more space but less overall care, i would think, depending on your climate ofc.
>The reproductive physiology of bullfrogs is highly influenced by temperature, photoperiod, ambient humidity, and barometric pressure. Consequently, the closer a population is to the Equator, the wider the length of its reproductive period. While year-round spawning is common in bullfrog stocks from Panama and Ecuador, wild stocks in Mississippi (United States of America) have a three-month reproductive season.
>https://www.fao.org/fishery/en/culturedspecies/rana_catesbeiana
this seemed to be a good resource for controlled frog breeding.
The ranabox method is interesting.
>For the semy-dry and wet method the average yield: 2-16 kg/m2-14-22 kg/m2
snails and crabs, rabbits and squirrels.
or just good old fashioned cannibalism.
>good old fashioned cannibalism
Just don't eat the brains
Poultry. See industrial examples. There is nothing new to invent so copy success. Smaller birbs like pigeons are lower yield but the sex is great.
>but the sex is great
What did he mean by that?
i've been on a 24 hour bender to try and not think about what he meant. thanks anon, another 24 hour session coming up
>sage
remnants of shitposting during a 24 hour bender
Chicken and rabbits.
read "Possum Living"
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2010-04-04/possum-living-author-steps-out-shadows/
you can find it for free in a few places online, or check the library
Mealworms. They're highly edible and fairly easy to raise.
Quail.
Oh hello.
Meat rabbits or chickens. Both can done indoors, but backyard will reduce smell. Chickens love table scraps and bugs and ot will supplement their feed.
You have to be a little more careful with rabbit feed because too much sugar will cause bloat. Both are high yield and efficient protein sources.
This. Simple and efficient. Forget high tech bullshit. Chicken are especially good because they eat anything so you can feed them your leftovers and not buy feed. Prefer eating eggs instead of chicken meat. It's less trouble.
PS Chicken also produce a lot of shit. If you live in a farm that's great, because fertilizer. Not so good in the city unless you clean daily.
freshwater snails could be tasty and meaty
indoor shrimp farming
how does one start this venture?
what are you growing for your hydroponics? Specifically any veg that you could cook a proper meal out of?
buy some shrimp