>Disadvantage of boots is mentioned
"That's a boot problem"
>Disadvantage of trail runners is mentioned
"That's a you problem"
Why are trail runner advocates so intellectually dishonest?
>Disadvantage of boots is mentioned
>Disadvantage of boots is mentioned
"That's a boot problem"
>Disadvantage of trail runners is mentioned
"That's a you problem"
Why are trail runner advocates so intellectually dishonest?
>no link to any article
>no specific disadvantages of either mentioned
My post is about how footwear discussions on this board usually play out. Why would I need to link to an article for that?
You set up a false dichotomy just to troll with another dumb footwear thread.
I’ve never seen anyone say trail runners are better for knee deep snow or slogging through mud and bogs, and they definitely don’t say it’s a “you problem”
>I’ve never seen anyone say trail runners are better for knee deep snow or slogging through mud and bogs
I've seen people say this. They claim that no matter what, your feet are going to get drenched, so it's better to be wearing shoes that dry out fast rather than dealing with heavy wet boots for the rest of your trip.
Being waterproof isn’t exclusive to boots.
And they're wrong? Unless temps are below freezing and wet feet guarantee frostbite, you're better off with breathable footwear. Things change if you have access to a vehicle or a building where you can properly dry your boots. I wear boots on day hikes or weekend trips, because I don't want to deal with wet socks. I wear trail runners on spring-fall two-week trips because I don't want macerated feet.
>what is waterproofing your boots
I hike a few times in the year but I live in the country next to a big woodland about half of which is swamp. I spend alot of time out there about every other day.
Good snakeboots beat everything else by far. Waterproof, snake proof, bramble proof. The brambles and thorns and stuff are so thick they will rip you up below the knee. You aren't picking your steps looking for snakes either.. if you've ever stepped on a rattlesnake or mocasin you know what the peace of mind is worth. And yes they are generally water proof.
If you get a pair that is well fitting and pretty tight up on the top of the calf (like a pair that zips up the back), then they are actually pretty comfortable too. The problem is that hiking isn't the only outdoor activity. I wouldn't wear them on a long hike or anything but for actually being in the woods for an afternoon, nothing beats them for the particular area I'm in.
>brambles and thorns
Not a concern for the "easy mode hikers" on this board
A place with alot of brambles and vines is no joke. Here alot of the place is just carpeted with them- ranging from knee, to head high. Alot of time you just have to go around the high stuff. Thickets grown up with wild grape and greenbriar are just as bad.
It’s implied that trail runners are for hiking… isn’t it?
Yeah I mean I'm sure that's what most people intend to use them for. I just feel like people fall into this one-track way of thinking that trail hiking is the only way to spend time outdoors.
I mean when I spend time in the woods I'd consider it "hiking" (walking in the woods) but I'm mostly looking at plants and to see the good stuff you have to actually get out into the woods/swamps so it gets wooly but I'm often never more than a few miles from home and it's hot and humid here so sweat is always a factor no matter what you do.
Hiking doesn't necessarily mean rushing from Point A to Point B as fast as possible without truly appreciating what's around you. Hiking can also mean this
and can be combined with other activities like foraging and rockhounding. But keep wearing trailrunners, chasing after meaningless record times on Strava, not learning anything about what's around you, and generally being a smug, Reddit-posting c**t who overpays for meme gear at REI with all the other semenslurping trendies from the yuppie cities and suburbs.
>people west trail runners for speed
I fricking LOVE this board, holy god damn shot! Hahahahahahaha!
A strawman and a homoerotic fantasy in a single post, damn.
>muh strawman
Opinion discarded
>discarded
Like your dad should have done with his ejaculate instead of pumping it inside your prostitute of a mother.
I’m not sure if that’s a straw man. That type of argument requires the fabrication of false premise. He may not have fabricated it for the purpose of making a point; there are Anon’s here who legitimately believe that people wear trail runners so they can walk faster.
People apparently consider jogging on a paved path to be a form of hiking.
>trail runner
>trail
I always thought they were intended for trail running, but that's probably just me
>my feet don’t sweat
>water can’t come river the top of my boot
Lol
Lmao
I like trail runners as much as the next guy, but those are weak arguments. If water is coming over the top of your boots, you're doing something stupid. Likewise, if your feet sweat that much, your boots have too much insulation or the socks you're wearing are too thick. If you're just a sweaty pig you might want to try VBL socks.
>I take my shoes off at creek crossings
Do you gays really?
Lmao!
This is the biggest IQ test in the outdoors. Do you take your shoes off when crossing a creek?
NTA. I’m the Anon that started that thread a few years ago. It was a lot of fun and very divisive.
Personally I consider it situational, but in most situations I just leave them on. I think a lot of legitimate autists visit these boards, and they’re laser focused on the outlying exceptions. It’s why there’s so much whataboutism.
What about that time you slipped in and got your feet wet though bro?
Trail runners, sometimes no. unless it's cold, sometimes it's just easier to leave then on. Can also be beneficial to have a shoe on for certain terrain at crossings.
Boots, absolute requirement to remove. If they get wet it'll take a long ass time to dry. Also strongly benefits from a camp show like a sandal.
Yeah it it's only one or two crossings, that means I get dry feet for the rest of the trip instead of wet feet to save a 5 minute job
Can I see the bottom of the creek?
Well, the dumbest thing you can do is cross barefoot. So that's about 60-70IQ.
That's why you carry some crocs strapped to your backpack for those trips.
Terrible choice
Don't know wtf tevas are, but crocs are amazing, just take off socks and pull up pant legs, dry feet and everything is fantastic.
let's go with tevas at least...
CHACO GANG
i was going to buy crocs but then i look at how much they cost. it's a crime that they charge so much for them, it's just a fricking piece of plastic
How much do they cost in the Amerigas?
Here in Europe I'd gotten a pair for like $35 5? or more years ago and compared to all the crocs knock-offs that I've had so far, most of which started showing significant signs of wear after a time, the crocs still look nearly as good as new (if I don't count the part of them that I sliced on a sharp stone).
(not a crocs salesman)
Yep. And then I don my white Crocs with the strap over my heel. White so I can see them at night so I don't lose them and also as I ford water the white aids my brain in coordinating steps across rocks. Crocs fit my bare feet well enough that I can hike miles in them.
In what universe is there a creek that you can’t cross just by jumping to some stones.
You tell me
Walking into the middle of a shallow waterway is now an entirely new discipline of exploration. Lads, the hyper-consoomers of the USA have improved nature yet again with their noble philosophies. Now we can be creek walkers, specifically.
>www.creekwalkerz.com/creeks/shoes/ultra-chad-walkerz-blue.html
There’s no way you really believe this.
Sorry I’m just not a clumsy fumbling fool aimlessly wandering into knee deep water throwing up my hands saying oh shoot not again! That came out of nowhere!
>>my feet don’t sweat
Wear your Salomon Renegade meme sneakerboots and you will be drenched from the inside and outside.
Wear real boots that have plenty of wiggle room and you won't notice much of a sweat unless its 80F+.
>water can’t come river the top of my boot
It almost never does. Use wading shoes for knee deep creeks.
Hyperhidrosis is a thing and many people suffering from it still want to go out.
Holy crap, PrepHole never fails to deliver.
>dries 2x faster
>gets soaked 5x more
Sounds like the logic of a pavement enthusiast
>2x’s faster
Boots will remain dry until the next day. Trail runners dry off in an hour. The only reason having wet feet is an issue is because you don’t hike enough to have calluses so your shaft vegana-like feet are prone to blisters.
Someone just posted a few hours ago that trail runners are just as good as boots in deep mud
In the same thread, someone else said that anyone who prefers boots must have weak ankles
Plenty more examples that are posted in every single boots vs. trailrunners debate. Either you're deliberately playing dumb or are a newbie who should lurk moar before posting.
You response to someone saying trailrunners are just as good as boots in deep mud was to first lie and say that mud and water “hardened your trailrunners” then make another thread b***hing about it.
>it never happened to me on the slightly muddy hikes that I do so it must be a lie
Kys
Oh so you just started this new thread because you were so butt hurt over some moron?
Holy frick, grow up man
>anyone who prefers boots must have weak ankles
No. Anyone who NEEDS boots must have weak ankles. I can do fine without most of the time. Sometimes, when the circumstances require it, I do wear boots. Like when it's below freezing or I need to wear crampons.
trail runners are better than boots in deep mud, there is no debate on that. I've drudged through bogs in these trail runners, boots and rubber wellingtons
Wellingtons - Completely dry but heavy and most energy expended as the suction effect is most pronounced, feet are drenched anyway with sweat
boots - doesn't matter how careful you are, you are going to get wet, boots fill up with water and now you just have cold, wet feet and boots that takes ages to dry
Trail runners - essentially just plimsoles with soft luggged rubber spikes on the bottom, dont absorb much water, a delight to use and the most confident grip
Yeah until you get mud in your trail runners and they are ruined due to hardening. Stop your lying.
Unironically this. My Salomon X Ultras are no longer comfortable after getting destroyed in the Adirondack high peaks last year. Your post inspired me to put them on just now. They lost all of their original comfort. All it took was one hike to completely annihilate them and make them unfit for use. This never happened when I wore boots in similar conditions.
Yeah, mud will absolutely make trail runners harden and ruined. You can’t get them dirty because they’ll be destroyed. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying. You have to use leather boots so your feet stay dry and your ankles are supported.
Nice strawman, but whatever. I'll be going back to my tried and true boots in the future. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
What are you talking about? You’re absolutely right: mud ruins trail runners. It’s well know. That people only wear trail runners in non-muddy conditions due to the hardening that occurs. If you don’t want your shoes being hardened due to mud, you need leather boots. This is common knowledge, but not on Reddit.
My last pair of trailrunners absolutely did get wrecked in 1-2 ft. mud pits in the Adirondacks. My pair before that got torn up on a bushwhack and then hardened while creekwalking and waterfall climbing in the early spring. Both pairs lost their comfort after a few months of hiking. Those are my first-hand experiences. I'll trust those experiences over some sarcastic dickwad on PrepHole.
My current pair of boots are optimal for everything. They're comfortable. They're durable. They have great traction. They hold up well in different terrain, weather, and seasons. I spent roughly the same amount of money on them and have gotten my money's worth, which I can't say about my gayrunners. And I expect them to remain in solid condition for years.
You do you. I don't give a shit. Through trial and error, I've found out what works best for me on more serious hikes and bushwhacks.
What are you talking about? I’m AGREEING with you! All trailrunners are destroyed (by gardening) the minute they encounter wet dirt. It’s a mystery as to why, but your vast experience has proven that it does happen. Anyone claiming their shoes are fine after stepping into a dirty puddle is a liar.
If you plan on encountering mud, you absolutely have to have leather boots, which won’t undergo hardening.
>gayunners
And there you go again. You do YOU. Walk on boots if that's what works for you, but for frick sake stop berating others for not wanting to wear boots for every occasion. Footwear is not a personality.
>stop berating others
Tell that to the trailrunner posters on this board like
>moron
the most important part of this debate isn't about boots superiority in their respective usefulness nor that of trail runners
the whole point is that boots look cool and trailer runners make you gay
Merrell has some nice ones, personally I use pic rel to replace sandals I hike with loop things
I slop through mud all day in these, the upper is thin non absorbent ripcord so all you do is rinse and lightly scrub them and they're good as new, even if they're caked dry
I can tell that they’ve already undergone the hardening due to being muddy. This is a well established fact and anyone claiming otherwise is an inexperienced LIAR. You need leather boots (which won’t harden due to mud and are waterproof) if you plan on hiking. Also ankle support.
>inexperienced LIAR
>regards, Jim
Someone needs to compile these shoe hardening mud posts into a meme
I think you're just shitposting, if so well done for making me reply
These boots - essentially just PU soles with soft luggged rubber spikes on the botton and a few layers of rubber and leather on top, don't absorb any water, a delight to use and the most confident grip.
>boots - doesn't matter how careful you are, you are going to get wet, boots fill up with water and now you just have cold, wet feet and boots that takes ages to dry
The best thing about them: You can just change socks and insole and you have dry boots again unlike shoes which will always be soaking wet and your feet welted - hygiene and skin problems guaranteed if it rains for more than a day.
summer I use otb style for that reason since quick dry and light, I agree tho, I got new winter boots since goretex meme boots ruined my hike
sounds like a you problem
I don't see you linking the archives of the posts you're proporting.
>Disadvantage of boots
No such thing
Cons: Heavy, artificial heel lift, poor ventilation, expensive, less sensation/agility, hard to take off/on.
Pros: warm, waterproof, pretty much only useful for winter hikes or jungle hikes.
You forgot longevity in your list of pros which makes up for the "expensive" part
>hard to take off/on
kek, I knew this board has some lazy mf'ers but this may take the cake
If I just have a day pack or overnight bag I'm probably wearing trail runners.
If I'm doing a multi day hike, or doing backcountry hunting, I'm wearing boots.
Footwear is not an identity.
>Footwear is not an identity
It is for amerigays. They love making what they consoom part of their identity. if anyone could tell me why I'd love to know.
>why
Insecurity
>NOOOOOOOOOO! SOMEONE UNDER THE AGE OF 40 IS WEARING BOOTS IN 2023+1! TIME TO BE MAD! RAAAAAAAAAWR!
Because at some point we switched from advertising showing you a thing you actually needed (are you a carpenter? Here's a hammer) to advertising trying to convince you that you needed the thing (if you don't buy this 500-dollar pair of shoes then women won't want to frick you)
Personally I like to frick in my heaviest pair of boots and then put on the trail runners after.
The modern American identity is simply consumerism. You don’t work to live, you live to work. What little free time you have needs to be spent on things.
I like inflexible midsoles even for shorter walks. Credit to you if you can use trailrunners but I always frick my midfoot up by stomping around on rocks. Trailrunners don't work for me unless I'm on city-tier gravel tracks.
For me it's more of a "am I going through mud or scrub?" decision. If not, low-cut shoes with a boot sole, if I am, boots and maybe gaiters. I don't think ankle support means shit, but ankle protection and good waterproofing is useful.
The only people still wearing boots are boomers and cosplayers.
>he only people still wearing boots are bo-
*crack*
>UWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Literal boomer meme, lmao
Literal homosexual post.
Your hiking boots will not stop this from happening unless they are rigid like ski boots
And ski boots frick up people knees because of it. Something’s got to give. Normally people just stumble around.
>he doesn’t hike in ski boots and knee braces
Ngmi
>destined for a femoral fracture
You mostly get a clean fib and tib break in alpine ski boots.
Just snaps like a dry twig.
Good fricking luck fracturing your femur hiking without falling down a cliff, and you’ll have plenty of problems after that regardless.
Head and spine trauma is a bigger problem at that point
Ski boots don't frick up peoples knees, the 180+cm long paddle that's stuck to your boots is what fricks them up.
They will help regardless with some riggidity. Hence why many boots needs to be broken in.
I dont often roll a joint but when i do its my ankle
Also, this thread sucks
I do this all the time regardless of what I'm wearing on my feet. I've never actually injured myself though because my bones and ligaments aren't made of compacted sawdust.
>The only people still wearing boots are boomers and cosplayers.
why do you anons still wasting your precious time by replying to a trolls?
Right hand is an ankle top sneaker.
The problem with light boots like the Lowa Renegade, Merel, Salmon, Keen etc.. is that you're feet will sweat too much in summer and they wet through almost as easily as "waterproof" trailrunners.
>why do you anons still wasting your precious time by replying to a trolls?
I don't have anything else to do rn.
I almost exclusively hike in fall and winter, trail runners don't work for that, sweat is a non-issue in such low temps.
Both ankles are also ruined by injuries as well, so I like the extra support.
In the summer I use five ten mtb shoes, pretty much zero drop sneakers with really sticky rubber.
The dry season is for biking, fall and winter for hunting.
Different gear for different uses.
I meant you'd be better off with a boot like this. Lowa Renegade is closer to a sneaker than to a normal boot.
Arent the renegades slightly based on the tactical community's wants, which is more sneaker-like "boots". I agree tho, your pic is what id consider hiking/outdoor boots.
Renegade is a fashion or tourism boot. Not sure what you mean by tactical community.
I use my trusty old M77 combat boots for lighter hikes and my Crispi hunting boots when carrying a lot of shit.
Five tens are only for the dry season, and mostly due to me prioritizing mountain biking over hiking while it's dry and warm.
The terrain I hike is extremely challenging and often wet and muddy, slipping and breaking an ankle could spell real trouble as there's often no cell service.
Trail running sneaker boots are my new favorite for almost everything. In the winter I throw on some wool socks and in the summer they are tall enough to keep my feet dry in most situations. I don’t plod through deep rivers every day. The people that say they wear trail runners so their feet can dry out are weird, I can think of one time where water went over my boot and got my socks wet in maybe 10 years.
How to tell people you don't hike: the post
>how to tell people you can't stand the thought of anybody doing a thing the way you don't: the post
I would wear gore-tex/membrane free trail runners for most warm weather hikes. But once that weather turns colder, im switching to non-membrane leather boots, and when Im dealing with snow I use membrane boots.
Thats is imo the way to go.
Warm weather:
>can walk your socks drys
>venting is usually needed anyways due to heat
>pair with light wool socks
Only con is that trail runners wont last as long
Colder weather:
>boots protect most "casual" water from entering.
>still have the opportunity to quickly dry boots due to no membrane
Cold climate/snow
>keep any snow/water out of your boots by any memes necessary
>pair with heavy wool socks
Obviously boots are generally more durable and easier to maintain for a long amount of time. I prefer full grain leather/Altbergs. Easy to maintain, comfy(very important), leather naturally protects from most water, tall boots, good sole, non memebrane.
This of course also depends much on how much youre going off trails or on trail. Also if its a day hike or 2 days+ hike.
>Only con is that trail runners wont last as long
I heard that they “harden” when they get mud and water on them. Is that true?
Cant say ive experienced such. Maybe if the mud soaks in and you dont wash it out properly, then yeah it will likely "harden" a bit. But it generally wont be an issue while walking.
Nice loaded question, homosexual. Good job mentioning nothing about the depth and thickness of the mud, or the temperature of the water.
A loaded question is one that illicit a certain response. This is straight forward: will mud and water somehow (magically?) cause trail runners to “harden?” If so, why is this not a widespread concern?
Too broad of a question.
"Mud" can mean anything from a mildly sloppy trail to deep, quicksand-like slop. Where I hike is so bad after the snow melts that some people have reported losing their shoes in the mud and having to reach in there to retrieve it.
I suspect that we don't do the same kinds of hikes. You probably don't do much creekwalking and climbing over waterfalls after the snowmelt when the streams are rushing and the water is still chilly without being icy. My trail runners absolutely hardened doing that and I regretted not wearing my boots on that outing. They later got chewed up a bushwhack that my sturdy boots would've scoffed at.
Holy shit, what the frick am I reading? Mud made your shoes “harden?” The other Anon doesn’t do the same hikes as you, so it’s some kind of special mud?
It’s like every time I visit PrepHole I hear more outrageous bullshit. I’m glad it’s a slow board; we don’t need this moronation spreading.
What's the deepest mud that you've ever stepped in and what was the temperature of that mud?
Not playing your homosexual LARP game, homosexual.
Opinion discarded then. Talk to me after you do a shoulder season hike where you're sinking a foot or more into thick, cold slop. Until then, you don't get to invalidate another person's first-hand experiences and that goes for the other drooling idiots on this board.
NTA but are you able to provide any documentation that supports your claim about mud hardening? Surely at least several prominent experts, websites or even manufacturers have talked about it.
It's common knowledge that trail runners have a shorter life expectancy than boots due to being crafted with less durable materials that will break down more easily. It's not a logical leap to conclude that this damage will be accelerated on hikes where you're constantly sinking in mud and splashing around in cold water.
Gee, my weekly runs through muddy forest trails have yet to "harden" any of my shoes. Usually it's the foam mid sole that compresses after about 600 km.
How deep and how long were your shoes submerged in mud?
Yeah, anyway, about those sources
PrepHole is chocked full of experts, so it’s a matter of established fact that trail runner will undergo hardening when they encounter mud (because a schizo insisted). Apparently cold mud is even worse, because reasons.
>it was a dumb idea to wear trail runners
So you’re not talking about durability, but something else entirely. How would boots be advantageous in this scenario?
Boots don't get damaged as easily. I've hiked thousands of miles in boots on some of the worst trails you can imagine, with no issues whatsoever. My trailrunners got destroyed after ONE HIKE in those same conditions. One hike vs. thousands of hikes. Guess which type of footwear I've worn ever since?
Yes, they were damaged after they got muddy on a single hike, which caused them to harden. Everyone saying they’ve worn trail runners that didn’t harden from mud is a LIAR or didn’t get muddy like we did. That’s literally all it takes: a single hike down a muddy trail and your trail runners will harden and be ruined forever.
Unironically this. I threw out my trailrunners after they lost their shape and comfort after one bad hike. Hundreds of dollars down the drain because I fell for a meme.
Meanwhile, my boots (which I purchased before my trailrunners) are still going strong after years of use. They hold up in any sort of weather and conditions, they have excellent traction, they're comfortable, you name it. I switched back to boots last year and don't regret my decision for a second. I will never purchase another pair of trailrunners for as long as I live. Modern hiking boots are a lot different than you probably remember from decades ago.
>mud
That’s the least of your worries. Splashing around in cold water is a much more serious concern, or problem , for those of us with experience, or expertise. Cold water can actively cause, or create, the hardening at a much more accelerated rate than mud alone, or by itself. The combination, or amalgamation, of low temperature and high wetness will generate, or produce, the hardening of trail runners, which will be completely, or totally stiffened (or rigid) the following morning, or by day break.
There will be no legitimate response to this request and any posts making the mud-hardening claim should be ignored
>Mud made your shoes “harden?”
>your claim about mud hardening?
wow. So you fully admit you have never actually been outside. fascinating. wtf do you think happenes to mud when it dries...you absolute morons.
Yes, and once you have dried mud on your trail runners they’re totally ruined. They can’t be cleaned off; the hardening is permanent. This doesn’t happen to boots. When mud dries in boots they don’t become hardened. Hardening is exclusive to trail runners.
full size boots are for adults, problem is children didn't age to proper adult mentality and need moon shoes to walk on gravel
Unless you're going out in the rain or doing things off trail just get some NewBalance snearkers.
They're the best, that's why women hate them.
Why dont hunters wear trail runners?
>why I'm giving up trail runners for hiking boots
is it because you're going hiking instead of trail running?
Different products for different things lmao do people actually wear trail running shoes for hiking / backpacking? That's roll an ankle 101 bad idea imo
No, nobody actually wears trail runners when they go hiking and backpacking. It's just a shitty PrepHole meme.
PrepHole - Shoes
Gear should be selected based on environment and personal needs and preference. Why does it have to be a shit flinging debate about what is best without any situational context?
I was a boot guy, I thought UL hikers with trail runners were half mad hiking in the (Swedish) mountains with the dainty gear. But on one hike I ended up trying my camp shoes (vivo barefoot) for reasons and saw the light, rest of the hike I alternated between vivos and boots. Next hike I was committed to try trail runners for the whole hike.
It just feel so much better, it's comfier, lighter on your feet and have more energy to walk, which is important when you're out for 10-14 days burning far more calories than at least I care to carry around to replace it with.
Sides of mountain valleys are wet and muddy, especially places like Sarek. There's a freedom in not having to worry about water leaking into your boots when you can just accept your fate of having wet shoes, freedom is just word for nothing left to lose as they say.
There's nothing exciting about walking with wet shoes and socks, especially below 5c, but after walking through ice cold water it feels comfortably warm enough in less than a minute (with wool socks) and to boot, it actually feels nice to cool down your feet every now and then.
There is tons of UL gays in the Sarek nowdays. Not worth going anymore even after the season ends it's still crowded. Mid to late October maybe when its too cold and wet for people who can't keep their feet dry. Place was better when it was wild.
Celltards just keep on lying. GPS can be off by 1k and your phone will die after a few hours because of the duty cycles.
No, wait. I mean ultralightgays are weak. People only hike with trailrunners so they can walk faster. They don’t work off trail and tread depth doesn’t determine traction in mud.
good lad, which vivos?
I have some Primus for the gym and some Forest ESCs for hike
Who sells the best unlined mid length leather boots fro around $250 (USD)? Looking for something with strong ankle support for heavy loads, but as breathable as you can get with leather. Aku Tribute II LTR?
>paying money for non resoleable leather boots
Some of you homies moronic fr
Their website says it can't be resoled, and anyone with eyes can see that it's glued rather than stitched.
Alright, so what should I buy that's not $400?
With boots you get what you pay for. I wear redwing iron rangers personally.
Doesn’t have to be stitched to resole.
Two piece glued soles are easy to replace the outsole on.
Literally just cut off the old one and glue on a new outsole
Unless a boot is designed specifically for that (that one isn't), you will almost certainly destroy the leather in the process.
Why? Is it due to the rubber parts foing around the back heel and such? Ive seen plenty of leather boots resoled with no issue. Its done to M77's, Altbergs, etc. The glue is attached to the old sole, so I dont see how it would have any affect on the leather.
I tried these guys and they hurt my 'tarsals it's no good
>unlined
Most polyurethane boots don't offer resoling because the machines cost a million dollars
David Paige in Seattle is the only one I know in US that resoles basic hiking boot brands.
There was one in Oregon that would just glue a vibram on some.
If you want them to be resolved and last forever then just buy Jim greens and buy a really good insole since they aren't very comfortable as a traditional boot.
Everything has a tradeoff though
That said, I absolutely would go with trailrunners if I lived in California so there's that
why not both? jfc you gear queerz will fight about anything.
>Open toe
>No need to worry about musty socks
>Can take them off easily to walk through water or sand or other terrains
>Easy to replace, easy to clean
>Light weight, and if it gets cold you can throw socks on.
I've done boots for years and they're nowhere near as comfortable as sandals, the trick is developing tougher feet by going barefoot and alternating between the two. I'd only do boots in heavy weather environments, but then again I'd rather just avoid those environments. I plan to do the entire Colorado trail in socks and sandals. Ya'll need to level up.
>but then again I'd rather just avoid those environments
>Ya'll need to level up
>Ya'll
I'm referring to seasonal travel, I wouldn't go hiking during a season of inclement weather like heavy snowfall without switching to boots, but I can withstand the cold by just putting on some socks with my sandals and I never have to worry, not to mention it saves a lot of money.
I invested in a 300$ pair of hiking boots that were trashed and worthless after less than a year, whereas I had a pair of flipflops that lasted me three years plus kept my feet way healthier. But if you enjoy stinky feet then to each their own.
>invested in a 300$ pair of hiking boots that were trashed and worthless after less than a year
That’s because they weren’t leather, you got a small amount of mud on them, and they hardened.
Exactly two cups of mud
Probably true, I did have a 60$ pair from Walmart that lasted way longer. Still I like not having to worry about feet stench, extra weight, socks, and the fact that I can enjoy my outings more by not being weighed down by a ton of bricks on my feet.
>Still I like not having to worry about feet stench, extra weight, socks, and the fact that I can enjoy my outings more by not being weighed down by a ton of bricks on my feet.
If you get fit you can do 40k in any kind of hiking shoe or boot any day, as long as it fits, and it won't matter.
>Footwear is not a personality.
People shy away from trailrunners or boots because they are weaklings unconditioned to wear one or the other, and they end up fricking up their feet even more. This is always worth making fun of.
Proper stretching and hygiene makes any footwear a viable option, sandals are less maintenance though and better for UL hikers, also better for long distances. Natives and other tribal peoples wore moccasins and did just fine because they knew how to take care of their feet and travel light.
The only people who frick up their feet are those who don't train and have weak feet.
It's the people that think they can wear one kind of "footwear" everywhere that end up with destroyed feet..
Traveling light has nothing to do with it.
Also people had a lot more foot issues back in the day, and they walked a lot less.
Evolution didn't design us such a faulty tool to carry our bodies where they need to go, it is only through neglect and misuse that issues occur, they walked way the frick more then we do today.
More weight places more stress on the ankle which makes it harder to adapt to different obstacles such as climbing, crawling, elevations, etc.
The same issue is exemplified in the kneesovertoes guy debate, where because you don't train your body for different dimensions of movement you risk injury from neglect.
Barefoot training goes a long way because it toughens up the feet, and having sandals is great for when you need that extra layer of protection on especially long distances. Boots are your heavy equipment and excel in harsher climates, but the option that gives you the most versatility is training your feet in strength and flexibility.
>they walked way the frick more then we do today.
I'm talking about fit people that actually go out. 35-45k per day is normal to sustain for weeks today with heavy packs. That's because of modern boots or shoes.
In the past people only did those kind of miles for 3-4 days at most and back country travel on foot was more at around 20-30k per day for fit people with 40-70lbs of gear.
Tribalistic peoples like the Native Indians and Gypsys would travel long distances and be constantly moving all the time. Yes their longevity wasn't as long as ours due to lack of knowledge, but if you couple our modern information with our God given physical ability you can make it work today as well. Theres still some situations I'd prefer boots but that doesn't mean it's impossible to go barefoot in those scenarios, they just require training.
I'm only citing some examples, but if you want my personal experience I've been walking barefoot since I was a kid (5-6, excluding time off through high school). My feet were tougher then everyone I knew, I could run and jump on rocks and withstand harsher degrees of temperature. Granted yes, I did get an occasional injury but they healed great and would often make my feet even stronger. Improvement to proprioception (when I started walking in shoes I lost an edge on coordination), greater balance, engagement of all the foot muscles including toes to center yourself, improved coordination, far more adaptable (never had issues with rolling my ankles or injuries while a lot of my friends did).
I didn't go barefoot throughout all of my teen years and I regret it, now I'm mid 20's and working to get that strength back and it's great, theres also an intuitive sense of the ground beneath my feet I completely forgot about until going barefoot again (Like memories stored in certain sensations, and an improved ability to gauge the terrain).
Yes, shoes or boots may be great for extreme environments/duration of your engagement to said environment, but with a tough enough foot you can even manage them up to certain point.
I'll trust millions of years of human development and God given ability over whatever "Foot doctor" yuppie science has to say, I've done it and it works for me, so I'll swear by it.
>Pic Related is Chinese foot binding, humans often do all sorts of things to conform themselves to standard.
>evolution made us perfect wild savages
>kneesovertoes meme
>barefoot training
>sandals
You can really tell when someone gets his wisdom from social media fads and basement theorycrafting.
Get some real life experience.
You are stupid and you are the reason white people are declining, because you get what you deserve.
Just 100 years ago, running shoes where flat soled and thin. Then look what they were 20 years ago. We are recovering, but consumer capitalism took us for a spin.
Get this through your head: your "wisdom" if it came from any of the useless trash that is our ancestors of the last 100 year, the boomers and their kind, this "wisdom" is completely fake.
Boomers circumcised you, sat you in hard uncomfortable chairs all day growing up (ruining your posture), put ~~*arch-support*~~ and ~~*heels*~~ on your feet ruining them. They encouraged pants that were too tight, having looks over function. They probably put you in glasses at a young age, and thought glasses were as natural as green grass. They also vaccinated you, sat you in-front of television to raise you, introduced you to all the mind controlling filth that is Hollywood, enabled your addiction to video-games, never prevented your addiction to pornography. They never gave you a philosophy for life. They are completely useless. Just like your boots are useless doing 20 mile hiking days, and trail-runners are useless walking in Russian spring mud.
Grow out of your boomer mindset, it is a dead end, we are currently living in its toxic fruits
I need waterproof boots. Ive had the same pair of redwing loggers, and I've put over 1000 miles on them. They are falling apart. They don't sell the boot I bought 5 years ago. I can spend 300 dollars. Also I need best gloves for grip and warmth. I can spend 100 dollars. My toes and fingers get so cold now. Help me please.
>redwing loggers
Meindl
Vakuum Hunter GTX
Comfort Extreme/Dovre
Himalaya GTX
I'm on my third boot for the Comfort and it has replaced all my other hiking/hunting/backcountry/crampon boots.
They last about 1000 miles, maybe more if you are lucky.
I have the dovre, and they are great for everything, I needed a wide toe. They aren't fully rigid though, but I rarely get out my mountaineering boots anymore, they work fine with my more flexible crampons. You can get them resoled if they're wearing out. Provided you took good care of the leather upper part.
I mainly tru-hike in Florida swamp. Trail runners or even things like my Ultra Boodt are what I use. Boots can be too heavy and water proof only works when the water is below youd ankle.
>"Who's dumb idea was it to wear trailrunners on this hike?"
>"Don't blame me, I listened to advice on PrepHole!"
>wearing boots in that
Hope you found somewhere to dry out your boots after that dayhike. Otherwise, enjoy your trench foot, LARPer.
I've hiked in trailrunners and boots in those conditions. Guess which held up better?
you must be pretty fricking stupid to somehow end up waist-deep in mud when you were supposed to be hiking. TWICE no less. did you feel less moronic after ending up in this situation the 2nd time after changing your shoes?
you should be wearing no-lace slip-on shoes for your own and everyone elses' protection
You have no fricking idea how muddy the areas I hike can get. This is what your idea of rough trail conditions look like, pussy.
aww geez look at all that waist-deep quicksand, better go back and grab my knee high waders and goofy ah walking sticks
>has the reading comprehension of an 8 year old
Read my post again you braindead c**t. That photo is supposed to represent what YOU consider a super muddy hike.
>more reading comprehension issues
That Reddit post doesn't mention quicksand in the literal sense. Hence the word LIKE in the sentence "It was like being caught in quicksand."
>reading comprehension
Just couldn't come up with something original, could you?
my sopping wet mud-filled trail runners now weight 5lbs less than each of your soaked triple-padded-comf-pillow XTREME COMFORT outdoors tourist boots
Yes, but within minutes your trail runners will be ruined because they got muddy, which will cause them to undergo The Hardening.
more likely this happens
Quicksand is a myth. Life isn’t a Looney Tunes cartoon.
Hike in the northeast mountains in May and then get back to me
They don’t have quicksand there because quicksand doesn’t fricking exist you tard.
>it’s more muddy here haha
I live in Louisiana.
...but . . . but in the spring we can get some real nasty storms. Sometimes it rains a whole 3 inches a day
Storms here are usually shorter, but heavy, generally over 1” per hour.
again i'm very concerned for the mental health of these literal outdoors toursits who somehow manage to end up in these situations just trying to have a nice hike. pretty sure the public school systems are supposed to be identifying conditions like yours and making sure you get special help earlier in life
my solomons will be fine. also I'm not a fricking moron who ends up knee deep in mud losing my shoes instead of hiking like a normal fricking person
You never hike in places where the knee-deep mud is so widespread as to be unavoidable, do you? Don't lie to me.
>a warning no to do something
>a dog a lover
>wall of text
>taking time to post reviews on the internet for brownie points
>forma route he deliberately picked because ofhers did
Nice consumer boomer you got there, I wounder what happened to just going outside and picking a direction to walk.
>I wounder what happened to just going outside and picking a direction to walk.
Trips are routinely cut short due to being cliffed out, impassible streams, huge swaths of downed trees, impenetrable undergrowth and thorny vines, flooded swamps, private property, and so on.
>some rando using AllTrails on a 20 mile hike says to use boots
Well I’m totally convinced now
Well I'm sure you don't need them for the dry, fairweather Instahikes on well-manicured trails that you do
Why can't PrepHoleists realize there isn't a one-size-fits-all recommendation for gear selection including footwear? Lots of black and white thinking itt and on this board in general.
Barefoot chads rise up. Luckily all the mud was frozen otherwise I’d have ruined my £20 chinkshit shoes.
holy based
very nice photo
I had a pair of barefoot shoes that I'd bought at random at a clearance sale and over 1.5 years I walked holes through both of them (same spot on each shoe lol)
now idk which barefoots to get, mainly I'm concerned about the soles getting pierced by a sharp man-made object, which I'd like to avoid
Boots have zero disadvantages
see
they shill disposable man child sneakers because they make a profit anon
boots start at 8 inches btw
>seeing some homosexual actually use there in the year of our lord 2005+19 more
WHat are Boots
I wear boots almost exclusively. I have a pair of running shoes for when the weather is warm and dry.
I do wear boots exclusively because I only hike from October/November to April/May. Too many superior outdoor options the rest of the year if you don't live in the middle of a desert.
I wear boots for winter, and waterproof boots for wet conditions, other than that I wear hiking shoes. I like how light they are compared to boots, but boots are just better for some things.
>walks around the mud
Boots are heavy, dry a long time, guarantee a trench foot in prolonged wet conditions, hot spots and blisters factory.
Runners (or in my case a bunch of reebok royal ultra) are very light, dry fast, no hot spots or blisters, better maneuverability on slippery and uneven terrain, feel like walking on pillows, can walk for days without feeling the weight.
Now frick off and suck a wiener. If you twist ankles or walk in deep mud you should probably learn how to navigate rough terrain first, fat pece of shit.
>booth are too hebby bloo bloo bloo
How weak are your legs
>if you walk in mud you're fat
wut
>weight isn’t an issue because I’m strong
Trademark of the newbie
If you get tired from the weight of boots, then you have a strength/endurance issue.
Again, your an absolute newbie who doesn’t even understand why he’s moronic.
>>if you walk in mud you're fat
Not what was said or even implied. Are you being intentionally obtuse just to farm (you)'s or are you actually this moronic?
>If you twist ankles or walk in deep mud you should probably learn how to navigate rough terrain first, fat pece of shit
>walk in deep mud
>fat piece of shit
>mud
>fat
Now post body or frick off back to r/weightlossjourney
I'm pretty sure that's the same loser who got btfo in another thread after making a clueless post about boot-wearing hikers.
You have to consider the source. You're talking to a guy who probably lives on the west coast and does most of his hiking in July and August. It's always sunny when he goes hiking and his trails are perfectly manicured lol
>I love to make things unnecessarily harder on myself
>Boots are heavy
The 1990s are calling, they want their stereotypes of boots back
>blisters factory
What the frick are you on about? I've hiked thousands of miles in boots and never got a blister in my life. Either you're a lying sack of shit, too poor to pick out a decent boot, or your feet are genetically trash. Which is it?
>learn how to navigate rough terrain first
I've been navigating rough terrain all my life. In some places and seasons, thick mud is unavoidable. You wouldn't know because you only hike on pussy trails in ideal conditions. Fricking fairweather hiker homosexual.
>fat pece of shit
I'm 6'3 and a muscular 180. If that's fat then you're an even bigger moron than you let on.
Anon, shoes will always be lighter than boots. That’s just common sense.
The weight difference isn't noticeable enough to make up for a quality boot's strength in other areas. Give me a sturdy, supportive, durable, comfortable, four-season Lowa Renegade over any trailrunner on the market. It's not even a contest.
>I'm 6'3 and a muscular 180.
You have to post body when you make this kind of claim.
I'm not giving you jack off material homosexual
>6'3" and 180 is an extraordinary claim
Way to put yourself as a fatass.
Trail runner advocates never walk on anything but bare soil manicured trails. Nobody with a clue would recommend going off trail wearing trail runners.
Hahahahahahahahahaha holy shit!
https://andrewskurka.com/recommended-footwear-for-high-routes-alaska-and-early-season-conditions/
Models are a little dated now.
who needs ankle support when most of you morons are only going on hard pact dirt trails, with no rocks to roll your wittle ankies on anyways.
See:
Trail runners, that's what you call them? My tennis shoes, that's what we call these shoes round about where I'm from, are labelled trail runners. How fricking gay it is to call them that, though.
I tore a small hole on the tongue near the toe of my hiking boots, does anyone have suggestions on how to repair that. I don't think it got to the goretex, just the outer layer and padding
They're salomon quests.
It should heal on its own, but in future I would suggest that you not lick the toes of your boots
Break a foot or a toe and then you will appreciate boots. Trail runners are only for rock free, crevasse free, and zero-technical paths. Or for walking carfully on a trail you know
Could have fooled me the last few years.
I wonder where people like form these opinions. My best guess is it’s just an assumption based on Boomer shit from the 80’s.
how fat and moronic do you have to be man? humans used to be barefoot not that long time ago
>humans had indestructible feet
>until they started wearing shoes
I like jungle boots. Definitely dont need them if Im just fricking round on trails, but its the support of a boot and it drains and stays comfy when Im inna swamp.
Frick jannies my homie but fr synthetic boots crust up real bad within seconds of you don't get the boot off in 60 seconds you gotta amputate
I just ordered Lowa Renegade GTX Mid boots new for 120 USD from a thief (living in Bosnia has its merits)
What should I do for maintenance? Never had actual proper boots, only Black person style Nikeys which I just kick around?
Why are people so obsessed with footwear?
because it turns out having no feet due to trench foot is not very fun.
Does it make sense to get a 10" boot for general purpose hiking/hunting during spring/summer/fall? Debating on that or a lower 7 or 8" boot.
Don't think so. Unless you will be crossing rivers or sinking into mud I'd just get gaiters. In my experience once you go to the higher length boots the fit starts to get sloppy as even a few millimeters of loose lacing loosens up the fit where it counts.
I use outdoor research crocodile gaiters
If it has a rubber toe cap protector use lowas leather conditioner when leather looks dry. Or use a water based conditioner like nikwax
I use both
Trail runner enthusiasts are the sneakerheads of PrepHole.
Isn’t it weird that this argument only exists here, where moronation reigns supreme?
It's an internet thing. On reddit people expect you to go along with the hivemind because they can "punish" you for disagreeing. On here anons expect you to do what they want simply because they want it. In the real world, we can all use whatever footwear we fricking want.
And some of us use different footwear for different hikes, in different seasons. Weird isn't it? But the concept of nuance is lost on this board.
It's just stupid. I'd never use a boot to make big miles on steep trail and I'd never use a runner to bushwack on a hunt.
But one thing I absolutely know, is I'd never use a stupid fricking army boot to do either because I'm not moronic. It's like having the worst of both worlds.
>understands that different people wear different shoes for different things
>"REEEE NOT THAT ONE I DON'T LIKE IT AND YOU'RE moronic IF YOU USE IT"
Well, you tried
>I'd never use a boot that was purpose built to be reasonably indestructible while not annihilating your feet at the day's end to do grunt shittery that tears pretty footwear up and makes your feet hurt because uhh... well, the people who do are SILLY!!
Lol, butthurt gays larping as military don't know shit. Those boots suck, and there's a better option for every situation you could be in. They're a cheap compromise made to blow up and suck at literally every task you put them in. Like one of those new Santa Cruz pickup cars.
Wore them for ten years and they worked fine, don't be a b***h
Kek. Doesn't mean nothing if you don't leave your couch lardass.
>lardass
Post body
Sup lardass.
>no timestamp
Welcome newbie
That doesn't really need a timestamp
My experience of military boots is that they’re reasonably destructible and quite uncomfortable.
>while not annihilating your feet
POG detected
You can hike barefoot, need to adapt first though. It's freedom.
https://www.barefoothikers.org/barefoot-sisters.html
my go to PrepHole shoe for 10 years now, never thought twice about it
If you even own a pair of trail runners you are a larper and you dont actually go outside. also you are a gay.
Boots are for boomers and wannabe's
I have both the Altra Lone Peak All-Wthr Mids hiking boots, as well as the Altra LP7 trail runners and I feel like I get what I need out of both for different situations.