It seems the most sensible answer to me why Prigozhin stopped his mutiny so abruptly and chose to go into exile instead. Putin had Lukashenko contact Prigozhin and communicate in no uncertain terms that he would use nuclear weapons if Wagner Group troops tried to enter into Moscow Oblast.
Prigozhin only had a few thousand men loyal to him at the peak of the mutiny and he would've had to reconsolidate them to launch a proper assault on Moscow, otherwise they would have been destroyed in detail by Rosgvardia and regular Russian Army troops still loyal to Putin. Doing so would have also made them a perfect target for a tactical nuclear strike. Moreover, Putin would have had little reason to fear an immediate (re: lethal) response from NATO because the attack would have been conducted on Russian soil and to remove an existential threat to the Russian state, which is considered to be legitimate cause for first use.
What do you guys think?
Forgive me, I'm moronic. I mean for the title to be "Did Putin threaten Prigozhin with nuclear weapons"
Probably not. He likely just threatened him with conventional retaliation from the military and told him a sob story about how if he did the coup it would plunge Russia into chaos just like in the 90's again and Prigozhin would go down in history as the man who ruined Russia (again) and blah blah blah. Prigo being the populist nationalist that he is probably didn't want that on his conscious even if it was just a clever ruse by Putin to get him to back down, but hey whatever lie you have to tell to get results is the Russian way. Putin probably also figured that in the grand scheme cutting a deal and losing his mercs was less costly than getting bogged down in a civil war or at the very least having to pull regulars away from the front.
It was pure self interested cowardice all around but in the end Putin still proved to be the bigger coward who couldn't even bother to stand his ground.
Like imagine the school bully threatens to beat you up at recess so you fake sick to go home early and then phone your little brother to work out a deal with the bully where he leaves you alone in exchange for you not tattling to the school administrators. And the bully agrees because his family is poor and he doesn't want his dad to beat him for getting a phone call from the principal. That's the level of courage they seem to be operating on.
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no u
usually russian political theatre involves more characters than a direct 1-on-1 confrontation, I believe that putin threatened Dyumin with nuclear strikes on wagner while they were still there unless he negotiated with him. Prig probably didn't get directly threatened by nukes but was offered an outstandingly sweet deal from him personally since he's always been so close to Putin
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jesus christ, that is some HUMBLE SPYMASTER SHIT
Um, wouldn't he be alittle bit too close to Moscow at that point, also nuking your own country may even be too moronic for Russians
>nuking your own country may even be too moronic for Russians
As a Russian, no, that sound good actually.
Russia needs more level headed moderates like you
Basedo
Belka did nothing wrong
>too moronic for Russians
No such thing
>Um, wouldn't he be alittle bit too close to Moscow
Moscow Oblast is much larger than the city itself and Wagner Group hadn't even reached the Oblast itself when they were ordered to turn around. There's plenty of empty space on the road between Voronezh and Moscow where a tactical nuke could have been deployed with minimal civilian loss of life and infrastructure.
Russians already nuke their own people with moronic nuclear power plant accidents, I don't see why nuclear weapons should be any different.
Did one of the body doubles go rogue?
The way Prigozhin immediately dropped all leverage that was keeping him safe to run to a Putin controlled stronghold out of reach of the generals leads me to believe whatever their chat was about, it was amicable on both sides, if not them fixing a misunderstanding.
>people still think Lukashenko is just a puppet of Putin
He's not.
Oh cool. Either way it's still a place where Putin can have him killed or protected from his rivals in the Russian MoD, and he gladly went.
>they don't know
Its more that both realized that no one was coming in to save either one, and possibly conspired to attack whoever was left standing
He's more like a court jester slash court potato peeler.
>It seems the most sensible answer to me
Sounds like you're a complete moron
Perhaps nerve gas/chemical weapons. instead? Seemingly far less obvious; easier to cover up, phsyically non-destructive. Doesn't ruffle you neigbours and the international community as much as nukes.
Nerve and chemical agents would have the unfortunate side-effect of being proof that Russia in fact lied about destroying their old stockpiles
No. Monke Priggo was just hungry and went to Moscow for some banan. But monke Putin didn't want to give banan. So monke Luka came over and gave potato. Monke Priggo happy now.
Yeah, that follows. Defending from a rogue mercenary group intent on regime change on your own soil is probably the one situation where the entire world would give Putin a freebie on using a nuke. Russia is so empty that they likely wouldn't even suffer collateral damage if used on 90% of the path Wagner was taking.
>trust no one
>not even yourself
Russian history summed up
>It seems the most sensible answer
There’s nothing sensible about this thing
Naw, the whole thing smells like Prigozhin thought he had support from some backers for a coup and that support evaporated for reasons we'll never know. Since he wasn't going to be able to do anything substantial with a mere 5K men, taking the exile deal was the next best thing for him at the time.
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> They would have been destroyed in detail by Rosgvardia and regular Russian Army troops
lol, lmao even, Rosgvardia aint shit