>deleted the forward eject gimmick that never worked
>deleted a ton of parts
>reduced weight to SEVEN POINT FOUR FRICKING POUNDS for a .308
>deleted shitty barrel swap system that made it a 3 MOA gun
but will it finally work and not be a complete turd? has desert tech fixed this thing?
they still haven't figured out how to give it a not-edgy name, WLVRN is so cringe.
maybe the 10 year beta test is finally over.
>still unusable rails due to flexing handguard
Should've copied BLKLBL.
oh you're right, i forgot the handguard is dogshit. and i don't think they fixed the grip breaking off either. idk we'll see.
i'm not a lasergay so i don't really care about handguard zero much myself.
I liked the forward ejection, hope there's an option for it. They always gave the option to completely remove it anyway.
There's literal a blk lbl handguard for the MDR.
unusable rails due to flexing handguard
They addressed it and MDRx owner can get the better handguard
>Activate Windows
Use MAS powershell you uncultured swine, it takes 5 seconds.
>but will it finally work and not be a complete turd?
No
>has desert tech fixed this thing?
No
>they still haven't figured out how to give it a not-edgy name, WLVRN is so cringe.
Yes
>maybe the 10 year beta test is finally over.
Lmao, No
The state of /k/.
At least the shills get paid. This homosexual just jacks off in the corner answering the same thread he's made 3 times this week.
Desert Tech is a darling company in the firearms world.
That’s a funny way of saying next vaporware company.
They sell what they say. They're just the types to do 'open betas', lol.
That handguard looks kinda cool. Makes me want to get a 3d printer and make an orca AR.
Id rather just buy a scar
>plastic
>fricking
>hinge
>screw warping
>unsuppressable
>half pound heavier
>not a chadpvp
just get an AR10 you dork
>plastic hinge
Overbuilt and fine, it's only when people try and solve the "problem" by replacing the stock or the hinge with a metal plate does it actually break.
>screw warping
Due to aftermarket, see above.
>unsuppressable
Gas jets
>half a pound heavier
Also not a shitpup and is a proven design.
lmao no the plastic hinge is pure dogshit outright and does not belong on a $3k rifle let alone a service rifle.
gas jets are a cope, you shouldn't have to deal with that finicky shit and it's still fricked on the warranty.
the l85 is a "proven" design too. so what?
sorry that putting the mag behind the grip totally mindbreaks you, the rest of us figured it out just fine. stay filtered
Gas jets >>>>>> tunable gas. It's a PERMANENT solution because a suppressor should be a permanent attachment always on one gun. The only time a gas jet tuned for one specific suppressor on your individual gun isn't the literal best possiple solution is for toys that get cans swapped around on because they're toys.
>because a suppressor should be a permanent attachment always on one gun.
That's the dumbest shit I've heard here all week and we still got two more days left.
Of course you think it's stupid, you're a fricking moron.
Here's a real complaint for the SCAR, its a 308 that breaks optics like a 50 bmg. Only scopes I've seen survive it long term are the Elcan and the newer Eokeks with the sideways battery housing.
Looks so much better with the longer handguard and barrel.
>not a chadpvp
not with that attitude
Off meta, no instagram updoots.
Holy shit is this thread full of morons. Granted arggays are always like this.
My Dad has an MDRX. Was definitely a lot more finicky with ammo than other offerings, but with the right ammo it was about average. I never had the forward eject frick up on me. My biggest complaint was definitely the gas block (good riddance) and the ammo they sent us wasn’t properly crimped. So extracting an unspent round meant that the bullet would often stay in the chamber, not dangerous like a squib because you couldn’t get another bullet in there and all you had to do was tap it out, but annoying.
lets see if it works when they start to sell
>deleted the forward eject gimmick that never worked
That was one of the only reasons to get it over other bullpups though, if it has no FE you may as well get any other proven bullpup at this point.
>65cm
How can you even chamber it in a shell that size? Fricking 2S7 Pions are 1/3 of that and they're artillery pieces, why would anyone would a rifle to fire a shell that big?
You poor idiot
Now make it in 6.8x51 Furry...
>now make it bad
>Completely mogged by the VHS which is ~$1000 cheaper
It will stay dead.
>pigfat
>too long
>5.56let
the vhs is $1500? where?
you can get different calibers but i don't think it's quick swap anymore. not that it ever was all that quick to begin with.
they said the new system is SRS based. not really sure how much that differs from the normal MDR system.
>the vhs is $1500? where?
Literally everywhere, you fricking manlet
Vhs is an obsolete standard. I'm not even buying DVDs and more and may bypass bluray altogther. 5G baby!
I'm bummed, love my MDRX so probably not surprising this isn't what I was hoping for at all. I thought with all their changes and work on it and the video they did showing the changes they'd done for the NGSW submission they were leading up to a MDRv3, finally getting the thing into solid shape, with a redesigned upper that would let the Micron run 300bo.
Maybe that'll still happen, I don't see anything about an SBR right now, but I'd be surprised if they abandoned that. Though I guess without barrel swap any SBR from them will be a Form 4 item and thus a year+ of waiting from now vs the 29 days my last F1 took. And MDR finally had some decent after market support, it was the only way to have a bullpup in 350 Legend or other cool calibers, guess that's gone. Forward eject also always worked fine for me and everyone I knew with one.
I dunno, feels like a lot of their problems were more fundamentally about outsourcing production on a lot of it to india. Simplifying a ton and dumping all the ambitious features is one way to deal with that, but I wish they'd just finished the MDR and brought all production into America instead.
Oh well, see you later space cowboy gun.
No Monolithic Receiver
No Quattro Mag
No Forward Eject
Talk about cowardly
Ah right that too, they just talked about their ideas for a quadstack MDR in their NGSW retrospective video as well.
While it's annoying to as always have a thread full of anons with Very Strong Opinions on a gun they've never touched let alone shot (and from the sound of it most haven't ever used any bullpup period), yeah not feeling this one. Seems like they threw the baby out with the bathwater and gave up on their really aggressive effort to do different cool stuff with the MDR in favor of a more conservative effort. I dunno maybe that's what the market wants, for all I see /k/ whine sometimes about lack of innovation few actually seem interested in any. Still a bummer personally though.
Exactly what I wanted to say. Also, which one of you autists is the guy in the comments section of the announcement video seething about the lack of FE.
>Also, which one of you autists is the guy in the comments section of the announcement video seething about the lack of FE.
Robert wont like this.....
He's mad that the $2500 MDR 2.0 doesn't have FE when he seemingly already owns a perfectly fine MDR. Collectors are moronic.
>activate windows
these are the anons who shit on companies like kel-tec for giving them exactly what they wanted except being adopted by DELTA then never buy anything
Can they make a bullpup that works in semi auto and straight pull that uses a long stroke gas system. I just want moronic.
Major L on their part for not making it use ar pistol grips and another big l for not bolt controls for finger nor thumbs
so now it's an RFB, but a grand more expensive.
wow..
It doesn't have the forward ejection system anymore so no, it's more like a tavor 7
They make Tavor 7s with non-shit triggers and 6.5 option? Since when?
The Tavor 7 has a really good stock trigger in the world of bullpups. 6.5 is a meme.
It still has a barrel swap system, so much that it's being advertised as a multi-caliber gun.
>Can’t make it go rock-n-roll
>Made by stinky Mormons
Yeah, I’ll stick to the SCAR.
you can't make a SCAR rock & roll. get an ar10
You very easily can. Easier than an AR-10.
easier than bending a coathanger?
I own the F/A parts for a SCAR, so yes, yes I can. And AR-10s are nice, but I wasn’t too keen on the old Portuguese Armalite I owned before. It bored me very quickly.
maybe YOU cant anon.
Literally all bullpups require to be leftie friendly is a large slighty overlapping shell deflector that throws brass forwards and down. It's literally that simple.
too true. simply block the face from covering the port. also can we get a fricking dust cover on a bullpup?
why did everyone stop making dust covers after y2k?
Even with a case deflector the ejection port is usually right on the shooters face when shooting from the left shoulder, the hellion fixes it by having a frick long LOP but otherwise you still need a downward or forward ejection system to completely switch shoulders.
just use a spatula strapped to the side of your gun
can use it to cook too
Hellion is on the right path and a good example but it's still not agressive enough. It should be angled more forwards.
Is it even a bullpup at this point? That LOP is longer than the troony mods' combined wiener mileage.
the hellion's handguard extends underneath the gas block.
the top rail has to stop where it does for access to the plug.
so really it's perfect as it is. aside from the fact that you can't really mount lights or lasers decently.
it needs a surefire style handguard where all that shit is built into it with a button on the side.
Yeah I’d like to see them lop that stock down to the bare minimum
That's what the hellion does, no?
Just make it like a famas, put a piece of plastic on top and pray to not lose it
just get an m17s, bro
i wish i didn't.
why not
>when i bought it, the headspace washer was broken
>the gas plug detent breaks.
>you have to pull the barrel to service the piston which involves removing small screws that strip out, rust, & seize.
>the safety detent walks out
>everything steel rusts other than the bolt
>the handguard gets really hot because the gas block is bolted to it
>the upper receiver is way too open
>the cam pin is retained with a screw
>there are too many damn screws
>the rail has a built in riser for some reason so standard height shit is too tall
>the charging handle is on a spindly rod thing that can rotate and cause the handle to scrape the track which makes it hard to charge
>it has not-MLOK that will only fit a proprietary rail section or sling mount
>the buttons are super exposed and you will bump them on gear
>you can't hit the safety with your thumb so you have to do a reacharound every time you want to put it on safe
>the length of pull is long for no reason
some of these are minor ergonomic issues that don't matter that much but most of it comes down to build quality which is inexcusable for a $2000 gun.
some of this shit will actually get you killed
I'm very glad I got an AR instead of a $300 ($400?) bullpup then...
where are you getting a complete AR for $300? there's no fricking way that thing passes a go gauge.
It was a gun show and the AR was $500 like new. The Bushmaster M17S was $399 IIRC now that I think about it. This was many years back before there was a single thought about a repro/updated M17S.
oh so like 20 years ago at least.
the bushmaster one is a bit better than new production assuming you get the aftermarket top rail but any service grade bullpup is the way to go.
>20 years ago
This was around 2015-2017 believe it or not. I couldn't believe the garbage choice in ARs at that show but I wanted one bad. Also, kek
>$500 AR15
>20 years ago (tail end of AWB)
anon wut
i thought the k&m rifle was older than it is
>service the piston
Why are you fricking around with the piston so much again? You shouldn't really have to touch it on an AR-18.
All of those sounds like easy fixes if the designers spent one month thinking about them.
How annoying.
>>the safety detent walks out
happened to mine
i just threadlock'd it
yeah and now it'll never come out again because it uses the tiniest fricking hex in the world. i put rocksett on mine like the manual said but it just failed & walked out again.
yep, extremely amateur.
because they need to be cleaned sometimes. also the detent broke and i had to replace it.
any service rifle with a piston has a way to access it, typically by removing the handguard.
part of the reason those gas-tappitt pistons are so popular now is because you can have a monolithic upper but still easily pull out the gas plug to clean the piston.
>sometimes
Operative word. I think I've figured out why your screws are stripped.
yeah pistons on occasion must be cleaned. it's the nature of the beast. they stripped because they use a tiny hex on a taper head that rusts in place.
So how many thousand rounds do you have on that rifle?
i never got to the point where i had to clean it, i had to pull the barrel to repair what i previously mentioned as being broken.
now that it's fixed i don't want to shoot it for fear of it breaking. gonna sell it once i figure out what to replace it with.
maybe the new WLVRN, maybe the tavor 7, maybe something else. idk
>pistons on occasion must be cleaned
>i never got to the point where i had to clean it
I mean it does kind of sound like you abused the shit out of this gun.
Black person i said plainly when i got the gun it was already broken. are you dyslexic?
And you didn't just send it back? You decided to strip all the screws and leave it to rust instead?
the moron who makes them just blamed me/the previous owner.
i got a new headspace washer and had a gunsmith install it.
by the way, what kinda gun just loses headspace?
what type of Black person rigged shit is this thing?
then when the gas plug started magically changing settings on it's own,
i found out that the detent was broken. so i had to pull the barrel again,
but the screw had rusted in place and the tiny ass hex rounded out.
so i had to get the screw tapped and extracted so i could install the detent.
on any other competently made rifle, i wouldn't have to pull the whole fricking barrel to access the gas system.
you can't even change the gas settings without a long ass screwdriver.
the only people who hold guns together with a bunch of screws are amateurs.
they strip & seize, especially when none of the steel has any protective treatment.
it's just bad design.
why are you acting as the internet defense force for this turd you don't even own?
>the previous owner
so does ken pay you or do you do it for free?
You seem to be awfully mad at someone you've never done business with. Why not be mad at the guy who fricked up your gun?
well actually i have done business with him when i tried to get it fixed and he was of little help.
in fact the manual that came with the gun labeled parts incorrectly, so he had to email me a new manual which was for a revision of the gun that had slightly different parts.
you seem to be awfully defensive about a gun you're never held.
why not listen to people who actually have experience instead of making excuses for a shitty design?
>tried
So you haven't actually done any business then. You complained to Mercedes about the Black person-rigged stereo and bullet holes.
do you even own guns? it's really bizarre that you have such a hard-on for this complete meme of a rifle.
I'm just wondering why you're so convinced the guy who had it before you didn't go a-Bubba-ing like you did.
>fixing a gun is bubbaing
confirmed nogunz. you can leave now
You didn't fix it. Why are you so adamant some gun show rando didn't frick it up too?
I can go to a gun show and buy terrible, abused examples of any gun. It's a common meme thread here. Why are you convinced this one is different?
anon you can't just go TOUCHING rifles like that and REPLACING broken parts dont you understand they are highly sensitive precision machines and only qualified gun doctors AUTHORIZED by the manufacturer with phds in gunology can treat their problems without killing the patient!?
Maybe the guy who had the wrong manual wasn't very good at fixing things. Just a though.
the manual came with the gun from the factory you dipshit. the guy who made the gun printed the manual wrong.
the gunsmith installed the washer (because i don't have a torque wrench) and i installed the detent so yes i did fix it. once again are you dyslexic?
why do you care this much?
Because you bought a fricked up rifle of unknown history from a gun show but you're 100% convinced it's all the manufacturer's fault. That's very funny to me.
the detent broke after i bought it, as i said. you have poor reading comprehension.
there is no reason for the headspace washer to be broken. simply shooting the gun should not under any circumstances cause the gun to lose headspace.
there's really nothing you as an owner could do to cause that failure other than purposely remove it from the barrel and break it.
similarly the detent should not break simply from firing the weapon. what other gun breaks gas plug detents?
i have never heard of that being a problem that any other gun has.
and again why do i have to remove the entire barrel to access the gas system?
why is the barrel held in place with tiny hex screws?
this is just outright bad design. but you're a nogunz so you wouldn't know a good gun if it blew your head off.
>but you're a nogunz so you wouldn't know a good gun if it blew your head off.
he can't be a nogunz if he made the gun. though to what extent that affects him knowing a good gun is a different question.
>simply shooting the gun should not
Yes, now you're getting it. It's almost like something else happened here. Something somebody else did and then punted the warranty-voiding results on to a mug at a gun show.
get this: you're out of your depth. i simply know more than you do.
i actually own guns, specifically the gun we're discussing.
all this obsessive coping means nothing in the face of that reality.
>i simply know more than you do
You know literally nothing about what the guy who had it before you did.
you know literally nothing about guns or even this conversation because of how many times i've had to repeat myself
Fans boys will fan boy. I have an MDRx and I told people not to buy one unless they were prepared for a gun that didn't work. Guns shouldn't require a song and dance just to work at a basic level. Own what you like, use what you like yet it just do. Nogunz don't understand how difficult it is to deal with something that won't shoot right. You open yourself up to negligent discharges when you have problems with a gun.
Reliability is king, above all else. It's why the MDRx was dropped after 3 revisions and 6 years and why the M17 failed to gain traction.
>So you haven't actually done any business then
nta, just adding you're a homosexual. On thread topic, of my two MDRs one of them has never had an operating problem, but the other broke after literally one shot. One single shot, dead. Here's the difference though: DT offers a lifetime, fully transferrable warranty, and they honored that zero bs. I wrote them to say what happened and asked for any instructions for a gunsmith. They responded with a two day shipping label, they paid both ways. I mailed it back, they fixed it, did a bunch of other updates to bring it up to the latest part changes, for free, and two weeks later over the 2022 xmas holiday season they mailed it back and that was that. Did the MDR have reliability/QC problems? Yeah absolutely. But they actually stood behind it. That's a difference.
The entire idea that buying it from someone else would negate the warranty is hilarious simping. Real companies, even for low volume meme rifles, stand behind their products.
It's always strange how much that rifle got hyped in previous /bpg/s when nobody actually had one and posted it. You're the first anon. Genuinely appreciate you sharing your experience.
To be fair I wouldn't have a very good impression of Mercedes as a carmaker if I'd only ever bought one secondhand off a ghetto Black person.
Ken, stop shitposting on PrepHole, take a lesson from DT and work on fixing design flaws and QC with your ghettopup.
>someone says a single bad thing about literally who meme bullpup
>one man schizo defense force mysterious materializes
lmao
Why not? x2. Almost bought an old one (before they ever thought about making new ones) way back when I was looking for my first AR-15. It was cheaper, ironically, but I never went for it. Checked.
>front of the rail section tapers nackwards resulting in less railspace
For what reason??
Access to the gas block
they were gonna put an FSP there way back when. would've been basado. after deleting that, they stuck with the angle for muh aesthetics. m17s does the same thing.
>bullpup
no thanks, I am not a homosexual
So you'd prefer to own a LONG, BLACK rifle? Do you think that's an indication of anything?
Non-activated Windows is "chirping smoke alarm" for white people
This thing looks neat
https://x.com/loganngames/status/1747711529036702047?s=46&t=f9D9KBVHXAO7fUJDTMBzZA
>can't even post a screenshot or save the pic and attach it here
anon, i...
Elon need the traffic.
From their site
nice
you can't swap ejection at home?
who is making that and where do i buy it immediately?
Rando AK builder
https://aandk.llc/akb-23-brn180/
>WLVRN
how are you supposed to pronounce this shit
At first my brain went to "wyvern" then I realized I'm too much of a fricking nerd still even though I haven't touched a game in like 15 years now. Pretty sure it's "wolverine", I've seen others call it that already. Which isn't a bad animal to name it after honestly for what they're going after, compact and vicious. Of course whether that's vicious to what you're shooting or vicious to the operator remains to be seen. We already know it's vicious to the wallet lol.
I'm kinda over caring too much about names so long as they're anything but a fricking common word, THAT I hate because it makes it so hard to search for. "wlvrn" isn't creative or cool but whatever.
>Pretty sure
Be sure.
>Be sure.
I don't know if I can ever be sure about mormons.
Be sure.
the girl on the right has a look like she's been through miles of wiener already
With authority, loser.
Wall Vern
Wonder how much I can sell my MDR 308 FE for to get the new.
Me too. But I don't really care about getting top dollar for it I had fun and it's my own fault for being lazy in selling it a month ago, I knew 100% they were going to do an update and kinda kept putting it off.
they actually made a new handguard with an improved mounting method so you won't have to worry about wobble anymore. so that's cool.
also apparently the barrel mount method is similarly improved, rather than a new system entirely. basically they fixed it so there shouldn't be accuracy problems anymore.
at least, that's what they say. we'll find out soon enough.
Yeah testing will be needed, but in principle on the scale of gun engineering challenges "firm handguard mounting" shouldn't be that big a deal. None of the other bullpups even ever had any trouble in that regard, it's was just an odd poor choice on DT's part, maybe in part another casualty of the strange rail+gas thing. And the other thing is not like DT ever had trouble with the SRS or HTI, like, they know how to make accurate stiff guns MDR wasn't their first, so a little extra weird.
Just too bad it wipes out the entire accessory market again.
you can put the old handguards on it, but they still have the same problems as they always did.
Huh, that's kind of a neat interesting choice. So basically it's a superset system, the new ones have some extra fastener or can go farther or something, but then the old ones still work, no better but no worse? If it works that's kind of a nice bit of engineering then given the folks who bought the expensive mantis or the like. The easy option would have been something totally different, maintaining backwards compat but improving forwards is a bit of an offering to existing MDR owners.
Now it's just an expensive bullpup. We already have one of those, and it has yet to be beaten by any others. If you're not devil handed, there's no reason to not buy a Tavor x95/7. If you are, there's no reason not to buy a Keltec and use it to have a nice day
>4 moa 5.56let
>tavor 7 is 9 fricking pounds
there are two reasons not to get that.
The MDR 1st party has 6.5 and 300bo, and it seems likely it'll add 300bo SBR with this new one as well. 3rd parties have offered dozens of calibers. People criticize its accuracy out of 308, rightly, for not being consistently single moa given the price. However, with the right ammo it absolutely can be 1-1.5 and people have shown sub-moa with handloads. X95 in contrast is a fricking joke, military accuracy, but in that case MDR accuracy complaints don't matter because it has no issues shitting all over the X95. It also has a way better trigger oob, you have to get an aftermarket for the tavors. And people complain about MDR weight but holy shit is the tavor a fatass.
If you're happy with it great, not gonna shit on it, but you've got zero room to be shitting over anything else either. No bullpup is perfect yet but if the wlvrn can get close to SRS/HTI accuracy it's going to be the closest. And it'll still be more ambifriendly then ones where the ejection port can't be swapped in 20 seconds.