Dazzle Camouflage Thread

Is there any possible scenario in modern naval warfare where you would have to visually sight a ship instead of relying on radar and what have you? And where dazzle camouflage would therefore prove useful against an enemy ship?

If not, can we still paint ships in dazzle camouflage anyway? I just think it's neat and would like to see it make a comeback.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this camoflage is amazing, we should make tanks this color too

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At this point it would just work for visuals but not really provide a benefit. Does look nice though, Canada painted a frigate in WW2 pattern a few years ago. The downside is keeping the paint up becomes more difficult while underway.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose if there were some kind of total and complete loss of those electronic systems you would require visual sighting. I just don't know what could be so catastrophic as to shut down radar / electronics but not completely gut other critical systems to operations.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    every military asset should be camouflaged to some degree. In the case of naval vessels something like the flat grey-ish tone will suffice. Anything beyond that would have diminishing returns that wouldn't pay off the investment (like a dazzle or some other deceptive camo)
    imo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I suppose if there were some kind of total and complete loss of those electronic systems you would require visual sighting. I just don't know what could be so catastrophic as to shut down radar / electronics but not completely gut other critical systems to operations.

      https://i.imgur.com/qw5hbiZ.jpg

      Is there any possible scenario in modern naval warfare where you would have to visually sight a ship instead of relying on radar and what have you? And where dazzle camouflage would therefore prove useful against an enemy ship?

      If not, can we still paint ships in dazzle camouflage anyway? I just think it's neat and would like to see it make a comeback.

      Obviously modern navies have radar but what if you're going up against less developed opponents? I know the US Navy does a lot of anti-piracy stuff against Somali pirates. Do pirates have radar? Or what if someone like ISIS or the Taliban were in a coastal country and had a navy? Would we expect them to have radar?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do pirates have radar?
        Do they have anything that would harm a modern warship? Why the fuck would you want to hide from them?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Modern warships are pretty fragile. Even a simple RPG-7 or BMG would be able to cause pain to a Burke up close.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anon modern warships can eat dedicated anti-ship weapons with 100+kg warheads, an RPG-7 would make a hole and maybe start a fire maximum

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not sure what you're fantasizing about here...
        ISIS navy with no radar tech going against modern navies, Even If said modern warship's main radar And back-up radar are out of action?
        I don't see any realistic case where a deceptive ship camouflage would be warranted.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even ISIS could afford laser rangefinders. They're not expensive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why are warships so hot?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Luv me dazzle, simple as.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    submarines dont want to emit anything, they might need to visually ID a ship or estimate range. Perhaps not in combat but during some kind of reconnaissance mission

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is there any possible scenario in modern naval warfare where you would have to visually sight a ship instead of relying on radar and what have you?
      Submarines targeting with periscope.

      https://i.imgur.com/KyRU9Ty.png

      these were designed to defeat range finders, nothing else.

      Pointless today, laser go brrrr

      Submarines used to use visual sightings to determine range and bearings by measuring height and length of the sighting and ship anatomy for determining what class and how tall and long it ought to be, part of why the scheme was developed. Don't know how effective or prevalent it was, but that's the only use case (modern or historical) I can think of.

      >these were designed to defeat range finders, nothing else.
      Also visual ships type id and course estimation visual. Ships were mistaken all the time. Battleships, as heavy crusiers, lighe cluisers ad heavy crusiers, destroyers as cruisers. they all constantly were miss identified.

      Oh, that makes sense too

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any possible scenario in modern naval warfare where you would have to visually sight a ship instead of relying on radar and what have you?
    Submarines targeting with periscope.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cool pattern but it's the opposite of camo it's a brain hack. So far only Zebras have used it since finding something randomly that works requires a lot of luck and once the first zebras found it and it worked so well that the whole species went all in on it. But at some point their predators' brains evolved to deal with it better and they started hunting zebras again more successfully and then the zebras were stuck with a useless pattern. Evolution has no reverse gear. The zebra pattern deteriorated a lot and today's "dirty" stripes makes people wonder why they have it but moving away from it completely isn't easy it happens rarely and even when it does there is nothing better to move towards because camouflage doesn't work for large herd animals that are always on the move.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So far only Zebras have used it since finding something randomly that works requires a lot of luck and once the first zebras found it and it worked so well that the whole species went all in on it. But at some point their predators' brains evolved to deal with it better and they started hunting zebras again more successfully and then the zebras were stuck with a useless pattern. Evolution has no reverse gear
      Yeah, that's not how any of that works and while I'm not going to take the time to explain it all to you, I will relay a funny anecdote:

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lions kill unmarked zebras just as well. Nice theory though. It is true that lions pick out a target before they launch a hunt but there are no hints that they can be fooled by the stripes. Furthermore lions are flexible and can change the target on the go. Even if marked animals are killed more frequently as claimed, I don't have the data, it's still unrelated to stripes. Lions may rather see that as a sign of a disease or injury which would make for an easier hunt.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All your conclusions are wrong.
          Zebras are stupid.
          Their camo works against the heard.
          Evolution never stops; never stopped.
          Lions have no preference for weak animals.
          Lions want a nice healthy protein rich meal.
          Lions coordinate their hunt.
          Zebra stripes camouflage them against the heard.
          You sound like a freshmen undergrad, if that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dude you posted a Jordan Peterson video you must be about 15

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are zebras so fat?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all camo is an attempt at "hacking your brain" you fucking retard.
      camo is land-colored in order to trick your brain to not notice a pattern standing out

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >evolution has no reverse gear
      yes it does you fucking idiot. Fish became Mammals and then some Mammals reverted back to being fish; ergo the Whale.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and yes I know technically Whales are still "mammals" but my point is that ocean-dwellers evolved into land-dwellers and then reverted back again; so there is a reverse button sometimes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          forgot pic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            crazy to think about the biggest animal to have ever lived is the blue whale which is living among us right now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yes it does you fucking idiot. Fish became Mammals and then some Mammals reverted back to being fish; ergo the Whale.
        No, you've got it wrong you fucking idiot. Fish became reptiles, then they became dinosaurs, then they became birds, then they became mammals, and THEN they became cats before becoming whales.
        Follow the science, you fucking retard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > then they became birds, then they became mammals
          false. birds did not become mammals. mammals and avians are two separate branches entirely. Birds don't give live-births

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Birds don't give live-births.
            So basically, what you are saying is that fertilized eggs don't contain a living chick, and it is okay to abort them?
            Kek.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zebra’s pattern isn’t for predators. It’s for mosquitoes

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    deep sea camouflage against visual detection

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    these were designed to defeat range finders, nothing else.

    Pointless today, laser go brrrr

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >these were designed to defeat range finders, nothing else.
      Also visual ships type id and course estimation visual. Ships were mistaken all the time. Battleships, as heavy crusiers, lighe cluisers ad heavy crusiers, destroyers as cruisers. they all constantly were miss identified.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I could design my own camo, I'd get a regular old army pattern, then add dark red and brown splotches in random locations so it looks like the wearer has already been shot and bled out. It would probably be extremely useful for Ukrainian soldiers and mercenaries working for Ukraine.

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